ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]

[Haunebu]

There are doubts that New Zealand can beat India in tomorrow's match as well.  Although New Zealand lost the first match by just 12 runs they could have won the match as they had four balls to spare but unfortunately they lost all the wickets and if they had one wicket they could have taken 12 runs from four balls. India played three matches against Sri Lanka before playing New Zealand and they beat Sri Lanka in three matches.  But will India be able to beat New Zealand again in tomorrow's match?

Wrong. Expecting tail-enders to score 12 runs from 4 balls is completely silly especially against some Indian bowlers who were in great form. New Zealand avoided an embarassing defeat thanks to Bracewell and Santner.

Am not expecting them to win against India in the 2nd match though they might win in the 3rd match.

I think Newzealand will win tomorrow as they have played phenomenal innings in last ODI,  their batting was soo good and on point just bowling side needs to be focused on . Newzealand needs to restrict runs on Indian side to win the match .

Batting on point? Lol. If it wasn't for Bracewell and Santner, they would have gotten defeated by 100+ runs. Their batting and bowling departments need serious improvements if they want to defeat India.

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[Sithara007]

Batting on point? Lol. If it wasn't for Bracewell and Santner, they would have gotten defeated by 100+ runs. Their batting and bowling departments need serious improvements if they want to defeat India.

There was nothing in the pitch for the pacers and therefore I am not surprised with the manner in which they got hammered around the park. That happened to the Indian pacers as well (except Mohammed Siraj). I am more concerned about their batting. Among their top-6 batsmen, the top score was 40 from Finn Allen. Devon Conway have been in good form recently, but he could make only 10 runs against and Indian attack that was missing Jasprit Bumrah. Michael Bracewell and Mitchell Santner showed them how to bat in such conditions.
 

[WatChe]

The second ODI will take place tomorrow, at the Shaheed Veer Narayan Singh International Stadium in Raipur. I don't know much about this venue, but I guess it is just another India track which provides zero support for the bowlers. Morale will be high for both the teams - India after their win in the first ODI, and New Zealand after their incredible fightback with Michael Bracewell and Mitchell Santner. And toss will once agai have a big impact, with the team winning the toss very likely to electing to bat first under batsmen friendly conditions.

This is one reason India have batsmen that have produced most runs while playing on there home pitches. Defnatly we will see a batting track in second ODI as India dont have any quality pacer in squad except Muhammad Shami. New zealand need to restrict Indian batting tomorrow if they want to keep series alive.  The venue is multipurpose, as its used for International cricket as well as for Football.

[YinShuiSiYuan]

There are doubts that New Zealand can beat India in tomorrow's match as well.  Although New Zealand lost the first match by just 12 runs they could have won the match as they had four balls to spare but unfortunately they lost all the wickets and if they had one wicket they could have taken 12 runs from four balls. India played three matches against Sri Lanka before playing New Zealand and they beat Sri Lanka in three matches.  But will India be able to beat New Zealand again in tomorrow's match?

Wrong. Expecting tail-enders to score 12 runs from 4 balls is completely silly especially against some Indian bowlers who were in great form. New Zealand avoided an embarassing defeat thanks to Bracewell and Santner.

Am not expecting them to win against India in the 2nd match though they might win in the 3rd match.

I think Newzealand will win tomorrow as they have played phenomenal innings in last ODI,  their batting was soo good and on point just bowling side needs to be focused on . Newzealand needs to restrict runs on Indian side to win the match .

Batting on point? Lol. If it wasn't for Bracewell and Santner, they would have gotten defeated by 100+ runs. Their batting and bowling departments need serious improvements if they want to defeat India.

Yes their batting was good as if your 3 4 batsman performs good that means you are good in that department,  you can never expect all your players to perform in one day there will be ups and downs in every team.
If you see scoreboard of Indian team in 2st ODI just Shubman Gill scored double century rest of the players were not good rohit and Suryakumar scored in 30's that's it .
So should we say Indian batting was not good .
Restricting runs and bowling good is the key to win in next ODI for Newzealand.

[Sithara007]

This is one reason India have batsmen that have produced most runs while playing on there home pitches. Defnatly we will see a batting track in second ODI as India dont have any quality pacer in squad except Muhammad Shami. New zealand need to restrict Indian batting tomorrow if they want to keep series alive.  The venue is multipurpose, as its used for International cricket as well as for Football.

LOL.. You don't consider Mohammed Siraj as a quality pacer? Mohammed Shami was the one who leaked tons of runs during the final overs, when the got hammered around the ground by Michael Bracewell and Mitchell Santner (he was not the only one though, as Hardik Pandya also got what he deserved). In the end, Rohit was left clueless and asked two of his most expensive bowlers in that match to bowl the 49th and 50th overs. Fortunately for him, India avoided the disaster when Bracewell was trapped leg-before by Shardul Thakur. 

[ThemePen]

The second ODI will take place tomorrow, at the Shaheed Veer Narayan Singh International Stadium in Raipur. I don't know much about this venue, but I guess it is just another India track which provides zero support for the bowlers. Morale will be high for both the teams - India after their win in the first ODI, and New Zealand after their incredible fightback with Michael Bracewell and Mitchell Santner. And toss will once agai have a big impact, with the team winning the toss very likely to electing to bat first under batsmen friendly conditions.

In this series of 3 ODI matches India is leading by 1-0. Both teams are strong and will play the second match tomorrow. New Zealand will try to its best to win that match because they will try to make the series by 1-1 and the third match will be the final. If India wins than the series will go in favor or India team.

[ZAINmalik75]

Definitely we will see a batting track in second ODI as India dont have any quality pacer in squad.

if they have quality pace then still they can't stop leaking runs against new Zealand because when pitch didn't help bowler they can't dismissed the batter in early to generate pressure on them. and not only from speed they can confused the quality batter from newZealand.
So difinitely there will be tons of runs to generate from both side because both team has potential batter. But now wise choice will be for them who won toss and take batting first to score a big target

LOL.. You don't consider Mohammed Siraj as a quality pacer? Mohammed Shami was the one who leaked tons of runs during the final overs,

But you can't forget that he is the most wicket taker in ODI from top indian bowler like bumrah and B.Kumar, and the main point is when pitch is flat like for tomorrow ODI then experience work more than other.

[BobK71]

The second ODI will take place tomorrow, at the Shaheed Veer Narayan Singh International Stadium in Raipur. I don't know much about this venue, but I guess it is just another India track which provides zero support for the bowlers. Morale will be high for both the teams - India after their win in the first ODI, and New Zealand after their incredible fightback with Michael Bracewell and Mitchell Santner. And toss will once agai have a big impact, with the team winning the toss very likely to electing to bat first under batsmen friendly conditions.

In this series of 3 ODI matches India is leading by 1-0. Both teams are strong and will play the second match tomorrow. New Zealand will try to its best to win that match because they will try to make the series by 1-1 and the third match will be the final. If India wins than the series will go in favor or India team.

India 1 and New Zealand 0, New Zealand's chances of winning is slightly higher in this aspect. The next game could be more difficult for both of the team. Whatever the number of winnings in the series. The competition between such good teams always at the highest level. India has performed brilliantly so far. In the previous series Sri Lanka was defeated by far distacne. In this series New Zealand have no chance but to win the next match to save the series. Will they be able to snatch victory from India?

[pakhitheboss]

The second ODI will take place tomorrow, at the Shaheed Veer Narayan Singh International Stadium in Raipur. I don't know much about this venue, but I guess it is just another India track which provides zero support for the bowlers. Morale will be high for both the teams - India after their win in the first ODI, and New Zealand after their incredible fightback with Michael Bracewell and Mitchell Santner. And toss will once agai have a big impact, with the team winning the toss very likely to electing to bat first under batsmen friendly conditions.

I am suprised that you are saying that Indian pitches provide zero support to bowlers. Please check the stats from the previous bilateral series between Srilanka and Newzealand. If Indian batters are batting extremely well then the pitches are not good for bowlers but if Indian batters are failing to score good then the pitch is good for bowlers. Hypocrisy at its best.

[Minor Miner]

The second ODI will take place tomorrow, at the Shaheed Veer Narayan Singh International Stadium in Raipur. I don't know much about this venue, but I guess it is just another India track which provides zero support for the bowlers. Morale will be high for both the teams - India after their win in the first ODI, and New Zealand after their incredible fightback with Michael Bracewell and Mitchell Santner. And toss will once agai have a big impact, with the team winning the toss very likely to electing to bat first under batsmen friendly conditions.

I am suprised that you are saying that Indian pitches provide zero support to bowlers. Please check the stats from the previous bilateral series between Srilanka and Newzealand. If Indian batters are batting extremely well then the pitches are not good for bowlers but if Indian batters are failing to score good then the pitch is good for bowlers. Hypocrisy at its best.

In the past, we have seen the Indian tracks being very helpful for spin bowlers. But in recent times we have seen the tracks get better for fast bowlers as well. And honestly, I do not think there is anything about hypocrisy. The condition of pitches changes even during a match. It is very easy for the players to bowl well and bat well in the same game.

So, I think it is not right to say that we do not find bowling pitches in India. And at the same time, it is also not right that the tracks that we find in India are always balanced.

[onecall123]

The second ODI will take place tomorrow, at the Shaheed Veer Narayan Singh International Stadium in Raipur. I don't know much about this venue, but I guess it is just another India track which provides zero support for the bowlers. Morale will be high for both the teams - India after their win in the first ODI, and New Zealand after their incredible fightback with Michael Bracewell and Mitchell Santner. And toss will once agai have a big impact, with the team winning the toss very likely to electing to bat first under batsmen friendly conditions.

I am suprised that you are saying that Indian pitches provide zero support to bowlers. Please check the stats from the previous bilateral series between Srilanka and Newzealand. If Indian batters are batting extremely well then the pitches are not good for bowlers but if Indian batters are failing to score good then the pitch is good for bowlers. Hypocrisy at its best.

However, the toss can be crucial. That part is unavoidable. There was a massive total put on the board by Indian batters in the first ODI. There will always be pressure when you try to reach that total. Thus, winning the toss and putting a heavy total would work in your favor. It will be more fun to watch the second ODI since many people believe Kiwi will turn things around. Michael Bracewell came close to giving the Kiwis a victory despite having 138/6 halfway through the second innings. As for Kiwi's chances in the second ODI, I am confident they won't miss out.

[pakhitheboss]

The second ODI will take place tomorrow, at the Shaheed Veer Narayan Singh International Stadium in Raipur. I don't know much about this venue, but I guess it is just another India track which provides zero support for the bowlers. Morale will be high for both the teams - India after their win in the first ODI, and New Zealand after their incredible fightback with Michael Bracewell and Mitchell Santner. And toss will once agai have a big impact, with the team winning the toss very likely to electing to bat first under batsmen friendly conditions.

I am suprised that you are saying that Indian pitches provide zero support to bowlers. Please check the stats from the previous bilateral series between Srilanka and Newzealand. If Indian batters are batting extremely well then the pitches are not good for bowlers but if Indian batters are failing to score good then the pitch is good for bowlers. Hypocrisy at its best.

In the past, we have seen the Indian tracks being very helpful for spin bowlers. But in recent times we have seen the tracks get better for fast bowlers as well. And honestly, I do not think there is anything about hypocrisy. The condition of pitches changes even during a match. It is very easy for the players to bowl well and bat well in the same game.

So, I think it is not right to say that we do not find bowling pitches in India. And at the same time, it is also not right that the tracks that we find in India are always balanced.

Hypocrisy in this context meant being idiotic & stupid, when you know the game and still post irrelevant info in order to  get your signature campaign quota. Already their is neutral trust relevant to her/his posting.

The first bilateral series of this year with Srilanka, the Indian bowlers played a big role. In the current series against the Kiwis the pitch did help the bowlers but since the a single batter namely Gill & Bracewell batted excellently the match became entertaining.

[justdimin]

I am suprised that you are saying that Indian pitches provide zero support to bowlers. Please check the stats from the previous bilateral series between Srilanka and Newzealand. If Indian batters are batting extremely well then the pitches are not good for bowlers but if Indian batters are failing to score good then the pitch is good for bowlers. Hypocrisy at its best.

I don't call this hypocrisy because if you are able to check then go ahead in limited overs format mostly Indian pitches never been helpful for the bowlers; both spin and pace bowlers concedes too many runs as mostly bowlers having hard time to do things unlike they can in SENA countries because mostly they have supporting pitches which helps both batsmen and bowlers which give fair competition but here in subcontinent we have never supporting things like that.

If few pacers are able to have wickets it's not just because of pitches it's just because while you are hitting badly any poor shot going directly into hands of fielder which is bowlers' luck and having the good number of wickets at bottom is also never been ideal because at the top all damage is already done and things in batting control.

[noormcs5]

The second ODI will take place tomorrow, at the Shaheed Veer Narayan Singh International Stadium in Raipur. I don't know much about this venue, but I guess it is just another India track which provides zero support for the bowlers. Morale will be high for both the teams - India after their win in the first ODI, and New Zealand after their incredible fightback with Michael Bracewell and Mitchell Santner. And toss will once agai have a big impact, with the team winning the toss very likely to electing to bat first under batsmen friendly conditions.

Team winning the toss will definitely bat first in the tomorrow one day match between New Zealand and India. However, batting team needs to score over 300 runs in order to be comfortable otherwise anything under 300 can be easily chased.

If you are looking to bet on this match, i will suggest to bet on India as the condition will favor Indian team more than the New Zealand team.

[teosanru]

Hats off to Michael Bracewell.

At one point it was a dead chase where they were at 131/6 and from there he took a charge and gave his team big hope of winning the match and doing so gave a good scare to the Indian team but Lord Thakur was playing for India lol

Gill is proving his worth in ODI and it seems it's his fav format.

Really man what a match it would have been if Bracewell would have taken it away. All the happiness of Gill's double hundred would have turned into sadness. But these kind of comebacks prove why New zealand is number 1 team in ODIs right now. Doing such things that also in away matches. But hats off to Gill. I believe Gill and Kishan is now the future opening pair India can look upto. And too early to say I know but Gill can prove to be the next run machine for India after Sunil Gavaskar, Sachin and Virat. But Gill has to improve himself to adapt in other formats as well. He won't get a lot of opportunities, being in the team is too competitive right now.

Gill is an excellent batter but the problem with him is that he takes time to get set and aslo doesn't take any risk. That is the reason why he is not suitable for T20 format. Ishan Kishan suits more as a T20 batter as he is quick and is also not afraid to take risk. Too much competition between these two players but only one would get an opportunity to be part of playing 11 in the upcoming world cup.

You are right but I think so was the problem with Kohli until some time back. He also used to play in the same way until a few years back and yet was pretty successful in that format. I think if you open the innings you have the freedom to take your time and settle and we saw the sixes he hit once he was settled. So I think as long as he is scoring runs, he can be the part of the team. Ishan Kishan obviously is much suitable he has a batting style more like that of Rohit Sharma. Which is why I think he would play that role in the team moving forward.

[darewaller]

As the two strong teams face each other in the second match it will be very difficult to assumed that who will win. According to the condition of the ranking, India definitely have the possibility to win the match.  I personally belief that If the top order batsmen of any team perform well then the number of runs can be very high. If one wins the toss and goes to bat then they have to give a big target to their opponent otherwise they probably lose the match. As we recognize pitch condition will favor of batting. But over all condition I think there will be more chances to win by chasing tomorrow.

I am not considering New Zealand as strong team because they are missing their few top players and having mostly youngsters those are doing good job against strong team like India in India which is surely big achievement for them specially as they fight into first ODI no one was expecting fight like this from them after having target of 350 and their batting struggling badly, but lower order provide them good chance for the win now we can't expect same performance from these lower order batsmen in every match, but one thing is surely if we have another batting track which is possibility then we can expect another big scoring match like first one and during this series we can expect one or two more double centuries from Indian batting order because few are desperate for having a chance against bowling line up like this on batting track.

[impulse709]

The second ODI will take place tomorrow, at the Shaheed Veer Narayan Singh International Stadium in Raipur. I don't know much about this venue, but I guess it is just another India track which provides zero support for the bowlers. Morale will be high for both the teams - India after their win in the first ODI, and New Zealand after their incredible fightback with Michael Bracewell and Mitchell Santner. And toss will once agai have a big impact, with the team winning the toss very likely to electing to bat first under batsmen friendly conditions.

In this series of 3 ODI matches India is leading by 1-0. Both teams are strong and will play the second match tomorrow. New Zealand will try to its best to win that match because they will try to make the series by 1-1 and the third match will be the final. If India wins than the series will go in favor or India team.

India 1 and New Zealand 0, New Zealand's chances of winning is slightly higher in this aspect. The next game could be more difficult for both of the team. Whatever the number of winnings in the series. The competition between such good teams always at the highest level. India has performed brilliantly so far. In the previous series Sri Lanka was defeated by far distacne. In this series New Zealand have no chance but to win the next match to save the series. Will they be able to snatch victory from India?

Yes it is quite clear that New Zealand cricket team, to win this series New Zealand cricket team against Indian cricket team, need to win two matches in a row. On the other hand, one more match is enough for the Indian cricket team to win the series. Because India has won the first match against New Zealand and is ahead. But all in all, it is assumed that the upcoming matches are going to be tougher and tougher

[JSRAW]

I think Newzealand will win tomorrow as they have played phenomenal innings in last ODI,  their batting was soo good and on point just bowling side needs to be focused on . Newzealand needs to restrict runs on Indian side to win the match .

Batting on point? Lol. If it wasn't for Bracewell and Santner, they would have gotten defeated by 100+ runs. Their batting and bowling departments need serious improvements if they want to defeat India.

Same could be said about India's innings tho. For India, the second and third highest scores were 34 and 31 respectively. Kiwis saw 57 and 40 scorelines for the same.

Both teams had a fair chance of winning the match because the pitch was easy to bat on but a majority of batters from both teams didn't apply themselves properly and lost the wickets. 

[Sithara007]

Same could be said about India's innings tho. For India, the second and third highest scores were 34 and 31 respectively. Kiwis saw 57 and 40 scorelines for the same.

Both teams had a fair chance of winning the match because the pitch was easy to bat on but a majority of batters from both teams didn't apply themselves properly and lost the wickets. 

New Zealand did the same mistake that India do all the time. They are playing in unfamiliar conditions and it would have been better if they had prepared well by playing a few warmup matches against some of the domestic teams in India. But nowadays we hardly ever see the national teams doing this, because the calendar is jam packed. The New Zealand team arrived in Hyderabad on 15th January and directly had their first ODI match against India on 18th January. They hardly got two full days to acclimatize with the local conditions.

[JSRAW]

Same could be said about India's innings tho. For India, the second and third highest scores were 34 and 31 respectively. Kiwis saw 57 and 40 scorelines for the same.

Both teams had a fair chance of winning the match because the pitch was easy to bat on but a majority of batters from both teams didn't apply themselves properly and lost the wickets. 

New Zealand did the same mistake that India do all the time. They are playing in unfamiliar conditions and it would have been better if they had prepared well by playing a few warmup matches against some of the domestic teams in India. But nowadays we hardly ever see the national teams doing this, because the calendar is jam packed. The New Zealand team arrived in Hyderabad on 15th January and directly had their first ODI match against India on 18th January. They hardly got two full days to acclimatize with the local conditions.

The majority of New Zealand players are quite familiar with the Indian conditions, thanks to IPL.

Warmup matches are not a thing before any White ball cricket, unless its a WC so it's not a valid excuse. IMO players adjust in white ball very quickly despite playing in alien conditions because it's a batter's format.