ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]

[Ayers]

We have too many rules in favour of batting which is also currently having big impact on the game but still things are manageable for the teams but recently as we have results in South Africa these are surely amazing specially in all innings we have good power hitting from the both sides and then in last ODI while Jofra Archer is at his best things settled in their favor which is also good and now with his comeback and performance like this we can expect good changes in England and their performance.

But England still needs to work on their domestic set up which is already well-balanced, but injuries are having serious impact on them and their players career in future now teams with better backup and strong domestic setup will survive and have chance to dominate this game, but we surely need big investments for this all as well.

It is absolutely true that the batting team always gets a lot of rules in favor of them. I can absolutely bet that any genuine cricket fan is going to say that it is never a good match to see both teams absolutely destroy the bowling side. There has to be a balance for everything to be appealing. And I think cricket is losing that balance day by day.

Yes it is great to see someone like Chris Gayle smashing the ball all over the park. But that should not be happening every day. I know that Chris Gayle is retired. I'm just giving an example.

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[Sithara007]

It is absolutely true that the batting team always gets a lot of rules in favor of them. I can absolutely bet that any genuine cricket fan is going to say that it is never a good match to see both teams absolutely destroy the bowling side. There has to be a balance for everything to be appealing. And I think cricket is losing that balance day by day.

Yes it is great to see someone like Chris Gayle smashing the ball all over the park. But that should not be happening every day. I know that Chris Gayle is retired. I'm just giving an example.

Completely agreed. Two decades ago, totals of 300+ were very rare in ODI matches. Out of 10-20 games, you may get one match where the team batting first would make a total of more than 300. And team chasing down targets of 300+ successfully were extremely rare. Now we have 350+ as the average total in ODIs that are played across the subcontinent. And it is not rare to see teams successfully chasing down targets of 350. Bowlers get smashed all over the park. So much so that it is starting to get repetitive. When something happens so often, it loses it's charm.

[WatChe]

It is absolutely true that the batting team always gets a lot of rules in favor of them. I can absolutely bet that any genuine cricket fan is going to say that it is never a good match to see both teams absolutely destroy the bowling side. There has to be a balance for everything to be appealing. And I think cricket is losing that balance day by day.

Yes it is great to see someone like Chris Gayle smashing the ball all over the park. But that should not be happening every day. I know that Chris Gayle is retired. I'm just giving an example.

Completely agreed. Two decades ago, totals of 300+ were very rare in ODI matches. Out of 10-20 games, you may get one match where the team batting first would make a total of more than 300. And team chasing down targets of 300+ successfully were extremely rare. Now we have 350+ as the average total in ODIs that are played across the subcontinent. And it is not rare to see teams successfully chasing down targets of 350. Bowlers get smashed all over the park. So much so that it is starting to get repetitive. When something happens so often, it loses it's charm.

Its because teams these days are playing more T20 then ODI and Test format. Only if one can completely separate Test and ODI teams from T20 then we can have see genuine test match and ODI. This is something not possible in an era which is flooded with T20 leagues. These days if you cant score 300+ runs in ODI then more probability is you will loss the match. I think ICC must choose between ODI and T20 format.

[Haunebu]

So both board should avoid politics in cricket and just focus on enjoying cricket.

They will never do that sadly since money is their primary focus which is why they will keep fighting each other as usual. Neutral venue for the Asia Cup makes sense, but it makes zero sense for the World Cup.

Why? Because the Indian government spent a lot of time and effort on preparing for the upcoming World Cup event which is way, way more important and popular when compared to the Asia Cup.

This is why the PCB should choose the best option which is participating in the World Cup for their own good.

[ZAINmalik75]

So both board should avoid politics in cricket and just focus on enjoying cricket.

Neutral venue for the Asia Cup makes sense, but it makes zero sense for the World Cup.

But playing both event on neutral will be the only solution through which may be both board will agree to play with each other, rather than this no one borad BCCI , PCB will agree to play in each other country,
So in my view both borad should meet each other and take a bilateral decision which are in favor of both boards, and only focus on to set  the clash of indoPak for crazy fans because Pakistan and India rivalry is the beauty of entire cricket

This is why the PCB should choose the best option which is participating in the World Cup for their own good.

If Pakistan agree to shift Asia cup to UAE and take participation in world cup inside India then after that who will give guarantee that India will visit Pakistan for upcoming ICC champion trophy 🏆

[YinShuiSiYuan]

So both board should avoid politics in cricket and just focus on enjoying cricket.

Neutral venue for the Asia Cup makes sense, but it makes zero sense for the World Cup.

But playing both event on neutral will be the only solution through which may be both board will agree to play with each other, rather than this no one borad BCCI , PCB will agree to play in each other country,
So in my view both borad should meet each other and take a bilateral decision which are in favor of both boards, and only focus on to set  the clash of indoPak for crazy fans because Pakistan and India rivalry is the beauty of entire cricket

This is why the PCB should choose the best option which is participating in the World Cup for their own good.

If Pakistan agree to shift Asia cup to UAE and take participation in world cup inside India then after that who will give guarantee that India will visit Pakistan for upcoming ICC champion trophy 🏆

Hopefully ICC comes up with a fair and transparent solution in this matter of Asia Cup as this is one of the most important cricket event this year and this involves teams and millions and billions of fans from many countries whose sentiments are with cricket.

Logically Asia Cup will be shifted to a neutral venue for everyone's approval and participation.

[SirLancelot]

Two decades ago, totals of 300+ were very rare in ODI matches. Out of 10-20 games, you may get one match where the team batting first would make a total of more than 300. And team chasing down targets of 300+ successfully were extremely rare. Now we have 350+ as the average total in ODIs that are played across the subcontinent. And it is not rare to see teams successfully chasing down targets of 350. Bowlers get smashed all over the park. So much so that it is starting to get repetitive. When something happens so often, it loses it's charm.

Things are going to be not fair right now, and we have to bring some better solution even it's all not possible in quick time with most chances as I mentioned many times we need to do few positive decisions for the development of this game and work on two formats with have few changes for the associate country's development as well because current situation is not favourable for all members it's giving benefit too few and many are having not ideal situation with losing funds and market as well.

In past mostly we have matches like these in subcontinent, but now we have big scores like these in SENA as well and batting is coming easy with bowling options are now needed to be also flexible as well which bring some competition and better performance of the bowlers as well surely results like these and batting like this is not favourable for this format.

[doomloop]

So both board should avoid politics in cricket and just focus on enjoying cricket.

They will never do that sadly since money is their primary focus which is why they will keep fighting each other as usual. Neutral venue for the Asia Cup makes sense, but it makes zero sense for the World Cup.

Why? Because the Indian government spent a lot of time and effort on preparing for the upcoming World Cup event which is way, way more important and popular when compared to the Asia Cup.

This is why the PCB should choose the best option which is participating in the World Cup for their own good.

Right now talking about India and Pakistan in cricket is completely nonsense because most chances India is not going to change their stance and Asia Cup is going to move from Pakistan and then most chances Pakistan is going to play World Cup in India without any option if they will not do this surely they are going to cut their feet's with Axe and this could be the darkest time for the Pakistan cricket because after this they will lose support from ICC and also lost funding from them as well which is never been ideal for them in current situation.

Here we need few good and positive decisions from Pakistan cricket management with cool mind but what will be their response nothing is surely with things could be clear in next three or four weeks while hate is the biggest issue between these two, and we can't do anything right now even education is not having the best solution for this all but at the end they have to stay like they are doing right now.

[ThemePen]

Here we need few good and positive decisions from Pakistan cricket management with cool mind but what will be their response nothing is surely with things could be clear in next three or four weeks while hate is the biggest issue between these two, and we can't do anything right now even education is not having the best solution for this all but at the end they have to stay like they are doing right now.

A wise person says " A good decision leads you to a good way. " We still don't know about the decision of Pakistan Cricket Board and what they will decide.
But there is one thing which I want to explain that is, ICC gets a handsome revenue from the match of India and Pakistan mostly if there is semi final or final ( According to me others may disagree).
So I don't think so that the ICC will expell the PCB from the list. Both (ICC and PCB) will make some good decision than they go ahead. In my view it is not easy to expell the PCB at this time.

[Sithara007]

A wise person says " A good decision leads you to a good way. " We still don't know about the decision of Pakistan Cricket Board and what they will decide.
But there is one thing which I want to explain that is, ICC gets a handsome revenue from the match of India and Pakistan mostly if there is semi final or final ( According to me others may disagree).
So I don't think so that the ICC will expell the PCB from the list. Both (ICC and PCB) will make some good decision than they go ahead. In my view it is not easy to expell the PCB at this time.

Emotional decisions never benefit anyone. I am 99.99% sure that India would refuse to participate in Asia Cup, if it is being held in Pakistan. Therefore the only option left for the PCB is to move the tournament to a neutral venue. They can conduct the tournament without India, but then ACC will lose more than 75% of the expected earnings form this edition. And what they can do about it? Obviously boycotting the ODI World Cup in India is an option. But the cost will be too huge for the PCB and they will be unable to afford it. My advice to them is to stay low until the opportunity arrives. Let BCCI do whatever it want for now.

[Juggy777]

So both board should avoid politics in cricket and just focus on enjoying cricket.

They will never do that sadly since money is their primary focus which is why they will keep fighting each other as usual. Neutral venue for the Asia Cup makes sense, but it makes zero sense for the World Cup.

Why? Because the Indian government spent a lot of time and effort on preparing for the upcoming World Cup event which is way, way more important and popular when compared to the Asia Cup.

This is why the PCB should choose the best option which is participating in the World Cup for their own good.

Right now talking about India and Pakistan in cricket is completely nonsense because most chances India is not going to change their stance and Asia Cup is going to move from Pakistan and then most chances Pakistan is going to play World Cup in India without any option if they will not do this surely they are going to cut their feet's with Axe and this could be the darkest time for the Pakistan cricket because after this they will lose support from ICC and also lost funding from them as well which is never been ideal for them in current situation.

Here we need few good and positive decisions from Pakistan cricket management with cool mind but what will be their response nothing is surely with things could be clear in next three or four weeks while hate is the biggest issue between these two, and we can't do anything right now even education is not having the best solution for this all but at the end they have to stay like they are doing right now.

@doomloop I believe that the Asia Cup will be shifted out of Pakistan and ICC will cite their current economic crisis, and in the end PCB will agree for a compensation which would be a wise choice given their current crisis.

Also as far as the World Cup is concerned I’m pretty sure that Pakistan will give in and send their team to India, because they believe that they’ll have a chance of winning the tournament and it would be sweet revenge for them if they won the World Cup in India.

[Sithara007]

@doomloop I believe that the Asia Cup will be shifted out of Pakistan and ICC will cite their current economic crisis, and in the end PCB will agree for a compensation which would be a wise choice given their current crisis.

Also as far as the World Cup is concerned I’m pretty sure that Pakistan will give in and send their team to India, because they believe that they’ll have a chance of winning the tournament and it would be sweet revenge for them if they won the World Cup in India.

Most of the ICC revenues come from tournaments such as the ODI World Cup. So in case PCB refuses to send a team, then the ICC may retaliate and withhold the funds that are provided to the PCB. In case of Asia Cup, the funds go to ACC and therefore India can afford to pull out of that tournament. But I agree with the suggestion here. PCB can request compensation from the ACC if the tournament is moved out of Pakistan. But I don't know whether that will be a viable option, because the ACC is not a very rich board.

[MusaPk]

Most of the ICC revenues come from tournaments such as the ODI World Cup. So in case PCB refuses to send a team, then the ICC may retaliate and withhold the funds that are provided to the PCB. In case of Asia Cup, the funds go to ACC and therefore India can afford to pull out of that tournament. But I agree with the suggestion here. PCB can request compensation from the ACC if the tournament is moved out of Pakistan. But I don't know whether that will be a viable option, because the ACC is not a very rich board.

If India is not coming to Pakistan for Asia Cup then they will surely not come for ICC championship trophy next year and what will ICC plan for that? Well ICC can't do anything in front of big 3. There is no confirmation from PCB side regarding there participation in ODI worldcup though majority is in favour of not to participate regardless of consequences.

[Haunebu]

But there is one thing which I want to explain that is, ICC gets a handsome revenue from the match of India and Pakistan mostly if there is semi final or final ( According to me others may disagree).

Completely agreed. India-Pakistan matches are some of the best hands-down for various reasons which is why they need to compete more often, but the reverse is happening sadly.

If India is not coming to Pakistan for Asia Cup then they will surely not come for ICC championship trophy next year and what will ICC plan for that? Well ICC can't do anything in front of big 3. There is no confirmation from PCB side regarding there participation in ODI worldcup though majority is in favour or not to participate regardless of consequences.

A lot can change with time which is why assuming that India won't participate in the ICC Championship Trophy just because of current issues between the BCCI and the PCB doesn't make much sense.

Let's see what the PCB ends up doing regarding the Asia Cup and ODI World Cup events.

[pakhitheboss]

@doomloop I believe that the Asia Cup will be shifted out of Pakistan and ICC will cite their current economic crisis, and in the end PCB will agree for a compensation which would be a wise choice given their current crisis.

Why would ICC intervene in a tournament that is not governed by them? Just to let you know it is not funded by ICC. It gets it revenue from broadcasting right generated through any tournament conducted by it for example Asia cup. Which country contributes more to its funding, the answer is simple India. Therefore I do not think ICC would intervene in the Asia cup.

PCB can request compensation from the ACC if the tournament is moved out of Pakistan. But I don't know whether that will be a viable option, because the ACC is not a very rich board.

I doubt PCB would get any compensation. Jay Shah would simply cite recent terror activities in Pakistan as the reason for shifting the venue. The ACC is not liable to pay any compensation. If Pakistan pulls out of ACC then it will be a big mistake as it won't get any support from other boards in this council. BTW all full members except India are going through an economic crisis. Just to let you know apart from these two countries the other full members are Srilanka, Bangladesh, and Afghanistan.

Why are we even discussing this topic when we know what will be the outcome?

[doomloop]

PCB can request compensation from the ACC if the tournament is moved out of Pakistan. But I don't know whether that will be a viable option, because the ACC is not a very rich board.

I doubt PCB would get any compensation. Jay Shah would simply cite recent terror activities in Pakistan as the reason for shifting the venue. The ACC is not liable to pay any compensation. If Pakistan pulls out of ACC then it will be a big mistake as it won't get any support from other boards in this council. BTW all full members except India are going through an economic crisis. Just to let you know apart from these two countries the other full members are Srilanka, Bangladesh, and Afghanistan.

Why are we even discussing this topic when we know what will be the outcome?

Every time we are deviating from the cricket to terrorism and other activities which are never been good because mostly members are here just want some updates related to cricket and players no one want to go beyond things and bringing topics like these are also never been good for the better environment if you have any problem then surely you need to create a thread about this all and then talk freely without any problem.

I am personally feeling moving Asian Cup from the Pakistan is good move for all parties and then if ACC is not going to have what they will do it's another matter even I have feeling in presence of these two countries this is crap ACC its have no worth they need to avoid things related to these both countries and just live in their own which is also good for these both countries as well but what will happen and how things will go all will be clear in next few weeks so please chill and wait for the final decision good luck.

[BobK71]

PCB can request compensation from the ACC if the tournament is moved out of Pakistan. But I don't know whether that will be a viable option, because the ACC is not a very rich board.

I doubt PCB would get any compensation. Jay Shah would simply cite recent terror activities in Pakistan as the reason for shifting the venue. The ACC is not liable to pay any compensation. If Pakistan pulls out of ACC then it will be a big mistake as it won't get any support from other boards in this council. BTW all full members except India are going through an economic crisis. Just to let you know apart from these two countries the other full members are Srilanka, Bangladesh, and Afghanistan.

Why are we even discussing this topic when we know what will be the outcome?

I am personally feeling moving Asian Cup from the Pakistan is good move for all parties and then if ACC is not going to have what they will do it's another matter even I have feeling in presence of these two countries this is crap ACC its have no worth they need to avoid things related to these both countries and just live in their own which is also good for these both countries as well but what will happen and how things will go all will be clear in next few weeks so please chill and wait for the final decision good luck.

If the Asia Cup is hosted in Pakistan, India will not be there. It was decided long ago. Now if Pakistan does not want to change the venue then it is their own responsibility. Because no team should play there if security is at risk. Moreover, Pakistan is struggling to control its current deficit situation. ACC does not carry much importance. If India does not participate Asia cup there is no harm for India but if Pakistan does not change the venue then the result can be harmful for them. Which is often discussed.

[Minecache]

@doomloop I believe that the Asia Cup will be shifted out of Pakistan and ICC will cite their current economic crisis, and in the end PCB will agree for a compensation which would be a wise choice given their current crisis.

Why would ICC intervene in a tournament that is not governed by them? Just to let you know it is not funded by ICC. It gets it revenue from broadcasting right generated through any tournament conducted by it for example Asia cup. Which country contributes more to its funding, the answer is simple India. Therefore I do not think ICC would intervene in the Asia cup.

PCB can request compensation from the ACC if the tournament is moved out of Pakistan. But I don't know whether that will be a viable option, because the ACC is not a very rich board.

I doubt PCB would get any compensation. Jay Shah would simply cite recent terror activities in Pakistan as the reason for shifting the venue. The ACC is not liable to pay any compensation. If Pakistan pulls out of ACC then it will be a big mistake as it won't get any support from other boards in this council. BTW all full members except India are going through an economic crisis. Just to let you know apart from these two countries the other full members are Srilanka, Bangladesh, and Afghanistan.
Why are we even discussing this topic when we know what will be the outcome?

This is really sad to see Pakistan suffering because of the condition of politics that they have right now in the country. Pakistan was looking to fix every problem that they have in cricket. But suddenly it feels like things are going backward for them. Asia cup not being played in Pakistan is going to be a big setback for them.

Personally, I wanted to see Pakistan host this tournament. But I cannot deny that the situation is not very good and it is going to be a big risk to send the players to Pakistan for the Asia cup. And I do not think that Pakistan will stay strong to their claim of not playing in the world cup if the Asia cup is not hosted in Pakistan. Because that is also going to be a disaster for them.

[SirLancelot]

Emotional decisions never benefit anyone. I am 99.99% sure that India would refuse to participate in Asia Cup, if it is being held in Pakistan. Therefore the only option left for the PCB is to move the tournament to a neutral venue. They can conduct the tournament without India, but then ACC will lose more than 75% of the expected earnings form this edition. And what they can do about it? Obviously boycotting the ODI World Cup in India is an option. But the cost will be too huge for the PCB and they will be unable to afford it. My advice to them is to stay low until the opportunity arrives. Let BCCI do whatever it want for now.

I agree as it is not good time for PCB, so they have to give up and just go as things are going with most chances they will not get any compensation from ACC as well because if they allow this all then there is no problem to playing in Pakistan here Jay Shah and company have no softer corner for Pakistan and their situation so better for the PCB just go ahead with new venue for the Asia Cup and also talk with ICC about Visas and security of the Pakistan team in India while they will be in this country for the world cup and if they agreed about this all then surely they have to go India for the world cup and give their best which is currently important for their cricket and better future of the game.

[romero121]

Emotional decisions never benefit anyone. I am 99.99% sure that India would refuse to participate in Asia Cup, if it is being held in Pakistan. Therefore the only option left for the PCB is to move the tournament to a neutral venue. They can conduct the tournament without India, but then ACC will lose more than 75% of the expected earnings form this edition. And what they can do about it? Obviously boycotting the ODI World Cup in India is an option. But the cost will be too huge for the PCB and they will be unable to afford it. My advice to them is to stay low until the opportunity arrives. Let BCCI do whatever it want for now.

I agree as it is not good time for PCB, so they have to give up and just go as things are going with most chances they will not get any compensation from ACC as well because if they allow this all then there is no problem to playing in Pakistan here Jay Shah and company have no softer corner for Pakistan and their situation so better for the PCB just go ahead with new venue for the Asia Cup and also talk with ICC about Visas and security of the Pakistan team in India while they will be in this country for the world cup and if they agreed about this all then surely they have to go India for the world cup and give their best which is currently important for their cricket and better future of the game.

Emotions are part, and we need to have the better understanding through these situations. This will let them work on the game and progress than keeping themselves down with the unwanted politics. As said Jay Shah and Company doesn't have any soft corner, which also have valid reason. Right now moving the venue to a neutral place and winning the Asia Cup makes Pakistan stand high. Whatever the politics PCB does, it doesn't gonna benefit them in any means which is the hard truth.