ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]

[Ayers]

Jofra Archer will obviously be great for England. At least that’s what I think. And he will also be very eager to prove himself after his return from injury. I don’t know if he will still be able to bowl at the same pace which he did before. I hope he still has venom. But this is certainly positive news for England. But England will have to be very careful about not playing him too much because I also agree that he has become injury-prone. It is also true that fast bowling does not do well with the health. As a consequence, he will need to be given the proper rest that he needs. In order for him to be able to perform well and stay healthy at the same time.

Now he is coming back after long time which is surely crucial for player like him specially when you are fast bowler its never been easy to bowl and play like you done before injury even right now age factor is with him and in future he needs to be selective for having better results in long run for his future because right now going into all three formats is just suicidal for the players specially while you have too many injuries hopefully he will try to keep himself for just one or two formats which will help him for having better results and complete control on his bowling.
Currently, England is champions of two formats and now in coming years we will watch them completely different side for the test format as well which is surely amazing stuff from them but right now their priorities are defending their title in India which is not easy even they are having quality players.

England is surely going to improve in the test format as well. They have not failed to win the other two formats. We have seen this transformation in England after the 2014 world cup. Now they are the winners of the one day international cricket and also the t20 international cricket. Now the only thing left for them to win is the test world championship. I am quite sure that they are also going to do well in that. But I personally think giving test cricket so much importance right now is somehow not worth it. But everyone is not going to share the same opinion as mine

Jofra Archer is a very important bowler for England team. He is making a comeback after injury which may bring some relief to cricket fans. Especially those who support the England team. Not only that, he also played in various franchise-based leagues. Overall he is an asset to cricket.
As he had a major injury and was about 27 years old. Considering the fact and i agree with you that one or two formats are quite suitable to play. But I think keeping him in T20 and ODI matches would be very good for him. However, the England Cricket Board will take appropriate decisions in view of his situation.

Archer is going to be able to perform really well for England in my opinion. At least I hope that he will be able to. Because a lot of times it is not easy to come back from a break like this. I think it could be better for him to play in shorter formats. Simply because he had shown a really good performance in the 2018 world cup and I believe t20 cricket is not going to put that much pressure on him.

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[BobK71]

Yes his fitness will matter more now. He came back after serious injury. His injury can teas him in the match. He is good player and a unique pillar for the England team. I also hope he will play good like he was playing before injury.
By the way let see what happen and what he will do.  

Everyone is hoping that the starting Jofra Archer after a long time the injury  gets back on track and stays injury free. And I think it would be better if we maintain and  understand the procedure . And it will be better for him to play him small balls otherwise if he take much pressure on him it will injuries for him . I hope at the end of the day every thing will be fine for him.

Jofra Archer is a right-arm fast bowler. And we know that fast bowlers are generally more prone to injury. Winning in cricket is unpredictable similarly injuries also happen suddenly. At the moment i think he is fully recovered his injury and now he can be regular in cricket. By using him only in T20 format, England team can get good output. He should be kept away from ODI and Test matches for few days ‍so that he can adopt early in all the formats in cricket.

[Sithara007]

Jofra Archer is a right-arm fast bowler. And we know that fast bowlers are generally more prone to injury. Winning in cricket is unpredictable similarly injuries also happen suddenly. At the moment i think he is fully recovered his injury and now he can be regular in cricket. By using him only in T20 format, England team can get good output. He should be kept away from ODI and Test matches for few days ‍so that he can adopt early in all the formats in cricket.

Some of the fast bowlers are more prone to injury. In India we have Jasprit Bumrah and T Natarajan who get injured at least once every year. Dale Steyn, one of the best fast bowlers in the history of cricket had his career cut short as a result of injury. On the other hand, we have bowlers such as James Anderson and Peter Siddle, who almost never gets injured. It depends a lot on the bowling action. Archer and Bumrah should seriously consider changing their bowling action, to prevent further injuries. But then, they need to maintain the pace as well.

[pakhitheboss]

Jofra Archer is a right-arm fast bowler. And we know that fast bowlers are generally more prone to injury. Winning in cricket is unpredictable similarly injuries also happen suddenly. At the moment i think he is fully recovered his injury and now he can be regular in cricket. By using him only in T20 format, England team can get good output. He should be kept away from ODI and Test matches for few days ‍so that he can adopt early in all the formats in cricket.

Some of the fast bowlers are more prone to injury. In India we have Jasprit Bumrah and T Natarajan who get injured at least once every year. Dale Steyn, one of the best fast bowlers in the history of cricket had his career cut short as a result of injury. On the other hand, we have bowlers such as James Anderson and Peter Siddle, who almost never gets injured. It depends a lot on the bowling action. Archer and Bumrah should seriously consider changing their bowling action, to prevent further injuries. But then, they need to maintain the pace as well.

It is not that easy for a bowler to suddenly change his action. What they can do is reduce their pace and play less cricket than they are playing now. Muscle injuries are quite common with bowlers and that is why they have less career span than batters. I am still not certain whether Archer will be able to bowl in the same manner as he used to prior to his injury. Recently we had seen Shaheen Afridi struggling with his bowling after his come back from injury. If he recovers fully before the bilateral series he still would struggle in few matches and then might come to his original form.

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Jofra Archer is a right-arm fast bowler. And we know that fast bowlers are generally more prone to injury. Winning in cricket is unpredictable similarly injuries also happen suddenly. At the moment i think he is fully recovered his injury and now he can be regular in cricket. By using him only in T20 format, England team can get good output. He should be kept away from ODI and Test matches for few days ‍so that he can adopt early in all the formats in cricket.

Some of the fast bowlers are more prone to injury. In India we have Jasprit Bumrah and T Natarajan who get injured at least once every year. Dale Steyn, one of the best fast bowlers in the history of cricket had his career cut short as a result of injury. On the other hand, we have bowlers such as James Anderson and Peter Siddle, who almost never gets injured. It depends a lot on the bowling action. Archer and Bumrah should seriously consider changing their bowling action, to prevent further injuries. But then, they need to maintain the pace as well.

It is not that easy for a bowler to suddenly change his action. What they can do is reduce their pace and play less cricket than they are playing now. Muscle injuries are quite common with bowlers and that is why they have less career span than batters. I am still not certain whether Archer will be able to bowl in the same manner as he used to prior to his injury. Recently we had seen Shaheen Afridi struggling with his bowling after his come back from injury. If he recovers fully before the bilateral series he still would struggle in few matches and then might come to his original form.

That's a struggle of fast ballers they are prone to injury due to their pace and than they will be on long break that effects their cricketing career. Shaheen Shah Afridi recovered from a knee injury and In T20 world cup his injury got strained again and now he's again on rest. So cricket boards should revise policies for fast ballers and limit their overs so that they won't get hurt again and specially check their pace and style of balling.

[TheGreatPython]

It is not that easy for a bowler to suddenly change his action. What they can do is reduce their pace and play less cricket than they are playing now. Muscle injuries are quite common with bowlers and that is why they have less career span than batters. I am still not certain whether Archer will be able to bowl in the same manner as he used to prior to his injury. Recently we had seen Shaheen Afridi struggling with his bowling after his come back from injury. If he recovers fully before the bilateral series he still would struggle in few matches and then might come to his original form.

No doubt about this all with this all is natural because we can't fight with these things, and we already lost too many bowlers just because of change of action or having serious issues like Ian Bishop he was one of the best bowler at the time being, but sadly due to back issue lost his career and same happen with another bowler Mohammad Zahid who was also one of the fastest bowler at the time of his early retirement due to back injury same happening right now with few more bowlers because they can do things which needed and have to leave game with immediate effect for his best health.

But in Australia, we have most advance and developed set up because they are helping their bowlers in early stages, so they can prevent these things and can enjoy their playing career also without problem, hopefully other countries will be also developed like them and help their bowlers in their early stages.

[YinShuiSiYuan]

It is not that easy for a bowler to suddenly change his action. What they can do is reduce their pace and play less cricket than they are playing now. Muscle injuries are quite common with bowlers and that is why they have less career span than batters. I am still not certain whether Archer will be able to bowl in the same manner as he used to prior to his injury. Recently we had seen Shaheen Afridi struggling with his bowling after his come back from injury. If he recovers fully before the bilateral series he still would struggle in few matches and then might come to his original form.

No doubt about this all with this all is natural because we can't fight with these things, and we already lost too many bowlers just because of change of action or having serious issues like Ian Bishop he was one of the best bowler at the time being, but sadly due to back issue lost his career and same happen with another bowler Mohammad Zahid who was also one of the fastest bowler at the time of his early retirement due to back injury same happening right now with few more bowlers because they can do things which needed and have to leave game with immediate effect for his best health.

But in Australia, we have most advance and developed set up because they are helping their bowlers in early stages, so they can prevent these things and can enjoy their playing career also without problem, hopefully other countries will be also developed like them and help their bowlers in their early stages.

Pakistan unfortunately don't have any facilities for fast  ballers and their rehabilitation and training too. Many fast ballers have to early retire due to injuries ,shoaib Akhtar a well known fast ballers left cricket early due to health issues . Recently Shaheen Shah Afridi is currently going through injuries and  waiting for his comeback.

[kro55]

Jofra Archer is a right-arm fast bowler. And we know that fast bowlers are generally more prone to injury. Winning in cricket is unpredictable similarly injuries also happen suddenly. At the moment i think he is fully recovered his injury and now he can be regular in cricket. By using him only in T20 format, England team can get good output. He should be kept away from ODI and Test matches for few days ‍so that he can adopt early in all the formats in cricket.

Some of the fast bowlers are more prone to injury. In India we have Jasprit Bumrah and T Natarajan who get injured at least once every year. Dale Steyn, one of the best fast bowlers in the history of cricket had his career cut short as a result of injury. On the other hand, we have bowlers such as James Anderson and Peter Siddle, who almost never gets injured. It depends a lot on the bowling action. Archer and Bumrah should seriously consider changing their bowling action, to prevent further injuries. But then, they need to maintain the pace as well.

It is not that easy for a bowler to suddenly change his action. What they can do is reduce their pace and play less cricket than they are playing now. Muscle injuries are quite common with bowlers and that is why they have less career span than batters. I am still not certain whether Archer will be able to bowl in the same manner as he used to prior to his injury. Recently we had seen Shaheen Afridi struggling with his bowling after his come back from injury. If he recovers fully before the bilateral series he still would struggle in few matches and then might come to his original form.

I believe that Mark Wood from England Is a player who has almost perfect bowling action.

His action is something that can cause the least amount of injuries for a fast bowler. Because if you analyze his run up you will see that his foot is always facing straight. And the distance between each of his steps are very similar.

So, I think if the bowlers who are more prone to injury can replicate that, they will get injured less. If we look at the Run up from Jofra Archer. We will see that he puts too much pressure on his shoulder. And if we look at Bumrah, we will see that his action is absolutely all over the place. So will easily understand why they are more injury prone.

But I also agree with @pakhitheboss that it is not easy for a bowler to suddenly change action and maintain the same success and speed. However, they have a choice to make. Either at least try a new action so that they get injured less or they continue with the same action and hope for the best

[fullhdpixel]

I believe that Mark Wood from England Is a player who has almost perfect bowling action.

His action is something that can cause the least amount of injuries for a fast bowler. Because if you analyze his run up you will see that his foot is always facing straight. And the distance between each of his steps are very similar.

So, I think if the bowlers who are more prone to injury can replicate that, they will get injured less. If we look at the Run up from Jofra Archer. We will see that he puts too much pressure on his shoulder. And if we look at Bumrah, we will see that his action is absolutely all over the place. So will easily understand why they are more injury prone.

But I also agree with @pakhitheboss that it is not easy for a bowler to suddenly change action and maintain the same success and speed. However, they have a choice to make. Either at least try a new action so that they get injured less or they continue with the same action and hope for the best

There is no doubt about fast bowling and its difficulties but if you are able to check then go ahead in Australia, England and South Africa they have very fewer things like this with mostly having on field issues not related to bowling action or body language this is happening mostly here in Pakistan, India and West Indies now we can add Sri Lanka because these countries having not latest technology and required facilities for their domestic system which help youths for their better future in bowling mostly of the bowlers recently are coming from Pakistan and Sri Lanka which are banned for bowling action or facing body problems as they are earning good amount they also need to be funded their system and invest for the security of the future as well which will help their players pool as well.

[ThemePen]

But I also agree with @pakhitheboss that it is not easy for a bowler to suddenly change action and maintain the same success and speed. However, they have a choice to make. Either at least try a new action so that they get injured less or they continue with the same action and hope for the best

Yes you are right in your confess, that the bowler can not change its bowling style easily. And when he starts to change his bowling style, his bowling line efeects deeply.
It may take couple of moths. It depends on the practice.
If he is trying a lot to change its style so he can change ASAP.
But it is  difficult, we know, the whole life he is bowling with one style. So suddenly try for the style change it is really difficult.

[Sithara007]

Pakistan unfortunately don't have any facilities for fast  ballers and their rehabilitation and training too. Many fast ballers have to early retire due to injuries ,shoaib Akhtar a well known fast ballers left cricket early due to health issues . Recently Shaheen Shah Afridi is currently going through injuries and  waiting for his comeback.

Fast bowlers in general are injury prone. The solution to this is to have large pool of bowlers available at all times. Pakistan has a robust domestic system in place now and I don't understand why they can't keep a large pool of pacers available. One way to go forward is to conduct more A and U-23 tours, so that some of the fringe players may get experience of SENA conditions. Also, the PCB can encourage some of the pacers to play either county cricket in England, or Sheffield Shield cricket in Australia. Even the Plunket Shield in New Zealand is of high quality.

[ZAINmalik75]

It is not that easy for a bowler to suddenly change his action. What they can do is reduce their pace and play less cricket than they are playing now. Muscle injuries are quite common with bowlers and that is why they have less career span than batters. I am still not certain whether Archer will be able to bowl in the same manner as he used to prior to his injury. Recently we had seen Shaheen Afridi struggling with his bowling after his come back from injury. If he recovers fully before the bilateral series he still would struggle in few matches and then might come to his original form.

No doubt about this all with this all is natural because we can't fight with these things, and we already lost too many bowlers just because of change of action or having serious issues like Ian Bishop he was one of the best bowler at the time being, but sadly due to back issue lost his career and same happen with another bowler Mohammad Zahid who was also one of the fastest bowler at the time of his early retirement due to back injury same happening right now with few more bowlers because they can do things which needed and have to leave game with immediate effect for his best health.

But in Australia, we have most advance and developed set up because they are helping their bowlers in early stages, so they can prevent these things and can enjoy their playing career also without problem, hopefully other countries will be also developed like them and help their bowlers in their early stages.

Pakistan unfortunately don't have any facilities for fast  ballers and their rehabilitation and training too.

If Pakistan didn't have a good facilities for bowlers rehabilitation then they must used a strategy of using more then 10 bowlers in order to reduce burden from bowler, which will reduced the chances of injuries, Everyone know that due to playing too much matches they got tired and fatigue and as a result they face injury of shoulder, knee , and back like Shaheen and Haris.
if they divide games between them then they will easily done Thier job without any injury.

[BobK71]

It is not that easy for a bowler to suddenly change his action. What they can do is reduce their pace and play less cricket than they are playing now. Muscle injuries are quite common with bowlers and that is why they have less career span than batters. I am still not certain whether Archer will be able to bowl in the same manner as he used to prior to his injury. Recently we had seen Shaheen Afridi struggling with his bowling after his come back from injury. If he recovers fully before the bilateral series he still would struggle in few matches and then might come to his original form.

No doubt about this all with this all is natural because we can't fight with these things, and we already lost too many bowlers just because of change of action or having serious issues like Ian Bishop he was one of the best bowler at the time being, but sadly due to back issue lost his career and same happen with another bowler Mohammad Zahid who was also one of the fastest bowler at the time of his early retirement due to back injury same happening right now with few more bowlers because they can do things which needed and have to leave game with immediate effect for his best health.

But in Australia, we have most advance and developed set up because they are helping their bowlers in early stages, so they can prevent these things and can enjoy their playing career also without problem, hopefully other countries will be also developed like them and help their bowlers in their early stages.

Pakistan unfortunately don't have any facilities for fast  ballers and their rehabilitation and training too.

If Pakistan didn't have a good facilities for bowlers rehabilitation then they must used a strategy of using more then 10 bowlers in order to reduce burden from bowler, which will reduced the chances of injuries, Everyone know that due to playing too much matches they got tired and fatigue and as a result they face injury of shoulder, knee , and back like Shaheen and Haris.
if they divide games between them then they will easily done Thier job without any injury.

They have been playing consistently in recent times so it is natural to keep pressure on the bowlers. Due to overplay, nothing good can be expected from their bowling action. Currently, Pakistan is playing a Test match against New Zealand where they are trailing by 438 runs. Despite their good bowlers, Pakistan is not getting any benefit. And naturally, the risk of injury is getting high. Pakistan cricket should take a look of these issues.

[justdimin]

If Pakistan didn't have a good facilities for bowlers rehabilitation then they must used a strategy of using more then 10 bowlers in order to reduce burden from bowler, which will reduced the chances of injuries, Everyone know that due to playing too much matches they got tired and fatigue and as a result they face injury of shoulder, knee , and back like Shaheen and Haris.
if they divide games between them then they will easily done Thier job without any injury.

Even most of the time we have too much talk about Pakistan and their sporting system which is currently crap because they have no good domestic setup with no structure and facilities most of the time we have ad hoc system which can't provide any positive development which help players for improving their skills and have good quality just check their history they lost too many quality bowlers due to this all as no one care about them and mostly as they are having any injury then finances are also not available for giving them proper treatment or rehabilitation.

This all is possible if they have professionals who bring all latest technology and other facilities for the improvement of the game and players which must know if you want to compete with top level teams just one test series and now their all top bowlers are injured and out of the game for long time which is surely the worst thing happening to them.

[kro55]

But I also agree with @pakhitheboss that it is not easy for a bowler to suddenly change action and maintain the same success and speed. However, they have a choice to make. Either at least try a new action so that they get injured less or they continue with the same action and hope for the best

Yes you are right in your confess, that the bowler can not change its bowling style easily. And when he starts to change his bowling style, his bowling line efeects deeply.
It may take couple of moths. It depends on the practice.
If he is trying a lot to change its style so he can change ASAP.
But it is  difficult, we know, the whole life he is bowling with one style. So suddenly try for the style change it is really difficult.

In some cases, it can also be psychological in nature. I have seen instances where players have changed their actions simply because they wanted to do so. That is exactly what they have done in the past and they have been successful at it. However, when it comes to him insisting on doing something, it is something that all players have a hard time doing. In a way, it's like they don't want to do it, but they have no choice other than to do it. As a result, that mentality makes it more difficult for them to accomplish their goals.

[Sithara007]

If Pakistan didn't have a good facilities for bowlers rehabilitation then they must used a strategy of using more then 10 bowlers in order to reduce burden from bowler, which will reduced the chances of injuries, Everyone know that due to playing too much matches they got tired and fatigue and as a result they face injury of shoulder, knee , and back like Shaheen and Haris.
if they divide games between them then they will easily done Thier job without any injury.

One main issue with Pakistani pacers is that they play a lot of franchise cricket compared to others. Look at the Indian, English and Australian pacers. They concentrate on one franchise league. But in addition to the PSL, a number of Pakistani bowlers participate in other leagues such as the CPL and the BBL. We can't blame them, as the salaries with PSL are not very high. Also, a large gap still exists between the domestic cricket players and national players and domestic players struggle when directly brought to the national team.

[BobK71]

If Pakistan didn't have a good facilities for bowlers rehabilitation then they must used a strategy of using more then 10 bowlers in order to reduce burden from bowler, which will reduced the chances of injuries, Everyone know that due to playing too much matches they got tired and fatigue and as a result they face injury of shoulder, knee , and back like Shaheen and Haris.
if they divide games between them then they will easily done Thier job without any injury.

One main issue with Pakistani pacers is that they play a lot of franchise cricket compared to others. Look at the Indian, English and Australian pacers. They concentrate on one franchise league. But in addition to the PSL, a number of Pakistani bowlers participate in other leagues such as the CPL and the BBL. We can't blame them, as the salaries with PSL are not very high. Also, a large gap still exists between the domestic cricket players and national players and domestic players struggle when directly brought to the national team.

I deserve this is a big problem for Pakistani bowlers. When nothing good comes out from the national team, they try to play in their home franchise cricket. Even when there is relatively less revenue, they take on outside franchise based games. If Pakistan's PSL could have paid good amount then they could have backed away from such a deal. Here the board has to pay attention. When a player is in form he earns a lot but when his form ends he stops earning. As a result, the career of cricketers is about to end.

[Tony116]

If Pakistan didn't have a good facilities for bowlers rehabilitation then they must used a strategy of using more then 10 bowlers in order to reduce burden from bowler, which will reduced the chances of injuries, Everyone know that due to playing too much matches they got tired and fatigue and as a result they face injury of shoulder, knee , and back like Shaheen and Haris.
if they divide games between them then they will easily done Thier job without any injury.

Even most of the time we have too much talk about Pakistan and their sporting system which is currently crap because they have no good domestic setup with no structure and facilities most of the time we have ad hoc system which can't provide any positive development which help players for improving their skills and have good quality just check their history they lost too many quality bowlers due to this all as no one care about them and mostly as they are having any injury then finances are also not available for giving them proper treatment or rehabilitation.

This all is possible if they have professionals who bring all latest technology and other facilities for the improvement of the game and players which must know if you want to compete with top level teams just one test series and now their all top bowlers are injured and out of the game for long time which is surely the worst thing happening to them.

Pakistan has always been a country that produced a really good amount of fast bowlers. So, I wanna say one thing that they should always do is be careful about all the actions of the bowlers. Pakistan has a good amount of money for cricket allotted. They should not have these types of problems. But the thing is the situation in Pakistan is not as good as it seems from the outside. They have a lot of problems on the inside. Improving as a cricketing country, they started facing political problems. And now the personnel of the Pakistan Cricket Board has changed. So now it is hard to see how the new authority is going to do.

Bringing in the latest technology is not going to do anything if the cricket board is not interested in improvement at all.

[lixer]

If Pakistan didn't have a good facilities for bowlers rehabilitation then they must used a strategy of using more then 10 bowlers in order to reduce burden from bowler, which will reduced the chances of injuries, Everyone know that due to playing too much matches they got tired and fatigue and as a result they face injury of shoulder, knee , and back like Shaheen and Haris.
if they divide games between them then they will easily done Thier job without any injury.

One main issue with Pakistani pacers is that they play a lot of franchise cricket compared to others. Look at the Indian, English and Australian pacers. They concentrate on one franchise league. But in addition to the PSL, a number of Pakistani bowlers participate in other leagues such as the CPL and the BBL. We can't blame them, as the salaries with PSL are not very high. Also, a large gap still exists between the domestic cricket players and national players and domestic players struggle when directly brought to the national team.

There is no doubt Salary is big issue but sadly as we are already having how things change into PCB, so this is another issue with these changes they also change their policies which is also not positive thing for the players and their system if they are able to have same policy and bring all players under their command then surely they can manage in good way specially they also can bring two teams concept which is not popular in England, Australia and India.

They must bring few pools for the three formats and having bowlers in domestic set up as well which give them better results in test matches now after back to back three series, and we have all flat pitches which are surely not suitable for these youngsters, and they are not injured and out of the cricket, so hopefully they will change this concept as well, and we will have better cricket in near future.

[SirLancelot]

Pakistan has always been a country that produced a really good amount of fast bowlers. So, I wanna say one thing that they should always do is be careful about all the actions of the bowlers. Pakistan has a good amount of money for cricket allotted. They should not have these types of problems. But the thing is the situation in Pakistan is not as good as it seems from the outside. They have a lot of problems on the inside. Improving as a cricketing country, they started facing political problems. And now the personnel of the Pakistan Cricket Board has changed. So now it is hard to see how the new authority is going to do.

Bringing in the latest technology is not going to do anything if the cricket board is not interested in improvement at all.

Pakistan is naturally rich in fast bowlers, but they have few bowlers those able to complete their career respectfully because most of the time they have on and off the field issues which hurt them badly in every era specially now you can check we have only three bowlers those completed 300+ test wickets and South Africa which joined cricket again in 1992 now have nearly 5 and now two or three more are going on good run because they have strong system and giving good support and facilities to their bowling squad which is important.

In Pakistan things never been ideal for the game and players which is a big cause for many players are mostly settled in England, and few other countries for their better future even many are completely out of this game due to their financial issues because they are not able to have better income as well here in Pakistan.