Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia.

[Pagan]

ruSSians shelled school in Donetsk and a public bus-10 ppl killed, 9 injured

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP9Mu8Z3BII

http://www.everyday.in.ua/?p=7899

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[samaricanin]

Kiev's forces are again shelling central areas of Donetsk. In this attack at least eight civilians were killed on spot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0ifIcYVgRs

ICTY sentenced one of the leaders of the Serbian rebellion in Croatia to 35 years in prison for similar act (he ordered rocket attack on Croatian capital Zagreb in which 7 citizens died). Does anyone really expect that Ukrainian war criminals will get the same treatment?

This is pure genocide and going to be much worse, junta is pure evil

[Nemo1024]

The bigger picture from:
http://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/09/30/the-ugly-mask-of-fascism-in-ukraine-2-letter-from-a-russian-liberal/

...
This can be finished quite easily and right now: all the US and EU have to do is withdraw support of the Kiev junta and start HELPING to truly investigate all the war crimes and crimes against humanity committed every day in Ukraine! Most of these young ukro-nazi deadbeats will dissolve by themselves once they know their crimes will not go unpunished. However, as we have established so many times previously, the West’s goal instead is to do everything to continue destabilizing Ukraine and to continue enabling crimes against humanity by imparting a feeling of the all-permissiveness on the ukro-nazis.

This is exactly how US and Britain brought Hitler to power. They supported, financed and appeased him – until the monster was created. The rest is history…

The goal of bringing Hitler to power in Germany was to destroy the Soviet Union by his hand. The goal of WWI was to destroy the Russian Empire. The goal of bringing to power this new crop of Ukraine fascists is to destabilize the Russian Federation with the ultimate goal of splitting it up and destroying. Ideology matters not – forget the 20th century ideology. The goal has always been to do away with Russia in any guise.

[chopstick]

School Shelling in Donetsk Grave Violation of Humanitarian Law: Russian Foreign Ministry

http://en.ria.ru/world/20141001/193519343/School-Shelling-in-Donetsk-Grave-Violation-of-Humanitarian-Law.html


Russia will not let crimes in south-eastern Ukraine remain unpunished — ForMin

http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/752188


Vid of aftermath of school shelling.. graphic..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_PtGGNetH4

Let's hope these blatant war crimes will be prosecuted after this is over. Porky and friends deserve to burn for this.

[Pagan]

How ruSSians killing Ukrainian citizens

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtiYebwTzj8&feature=youtu.be

http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1822463.html

[Paya]

Still no word from OSCE about the massacre in Donetsk. Are those guys supposed to monitor this so-called truce or what? What a bunch of incompetent fools...

[iCEBREAKER]

Cutting off the pipeline to Ukraine doesn't mean cutting off the gas to the major  European countries like Germany because the NOrd Stream will still  be open. The pipeline through Ukraine only affects those found south of it like Slovakia, Romania, Bulagaria, Hungary, etc. But then the interconnection from Germany-Czech Republic will ensure supply to HUngary, Slovakia & down south but will leave the villains cold- Ukraine, Poland, Romania.  

THe LNG will never work in bankrupt European economies because it is more expensive. The liquefacttion process dissipates 1/4 of the volume so they will lose much of the gas. That doesn't include the expensive infrastructures needed. Handling and distribution costs. More expensive gas, more inconvenience. Take note we are talking of hard-up countries which don't have deep pockets here because of their low growth & high debts. The LNG shift is not a small thing but could crash their highly-leverage economies.

This is just one of the minor moves- the freezing of Ukraine (the Ukie NAZIs will become insane trying to escape the cold & the pitchforks of  the angry people who are freezing to death because of the NAZI stupidity). There are many more moves, btw. It is still a long game but I guess this winter may just end all the delusions of the stupid NAZI putschists.

Poland is a villain?  For what?  Being being carved up by Molotov-Ribbentrop, then occupied by two successive totalitarian regimes?

That's exactly the kind of Kremlin apologist's revisionist history that drove the Baltic states into the welcoming arms of NATO, to soon be joined by Ukraine and Belarus, with central Asian states following.

How wise of you to drop your previous claim that LNG terminals cannot withstand low temperatures, because that was a stupid, easily disproved thing to say.   

I already remarked on the massive expense of LNG infrastructure, while making the point that Gasputin's Crimean offensive will serve to accelerate its development regardless of high costs.

LNG technology will only improve, and the more the Bear reverts to its bad old ways of violence the more motivated the research for higher liquefaction recoveries.  NATO and its Middle Eastern puppets have so much gas available, and the ships are so gargantuan, we don't really mind losing 1/4 of the volume; its just the cost of doing business.

Speaking of business, the clients Gasputin sacrifices for the sake of aggression (Slovakia, Romania, Bulagaria, Hungary, etc.) have highly educated populations and improving economies which stand to benefit from the information revolution, especially as catalyzed by Bitcoin.

If they can't afford the LNG investment now, don't worry because the IMF/World Bank oligarchs are more than happy to lend them the money.  That emphasizes my point about Gasputin's evil only serving the interests of New York/London/Moscow high finance at the expense of all the world's regular people.

I understand that comprehending real economics is difficult for you, having been brainwashed by Marxist nonsense, but please look into the Austrian and Chicago schools, so you will become capable of understanding things like supply and demand.   

[Pagan]

Investigation: Russian soldiers in Ukraine







http://top.rbc.ru/politics/02/10/2014/542c0dcfcbb20f5d06c1d87a

[Pagan]

How russians falsifies the reports of "genocide" and "ethnic cleansing"

Mysterious expert - In the OSCE do not know, "human rights activist" Ejnar Graudins, who declared about the atrocities of the Ukrainian military in the Donetsk region

http://www.svoboda.org/content/article/26615443.html

[myshownow]

Cutting off the pipeline to Ukraine doesn't mean cutting off the gas to the major  European countries like Germany because the NOrd Stream will still  be open. The pipeline through Ukraine only affects those found south of it like Slovakia, Romania, Bulagaria, Hungary, etc. But then the interconnection from Germany-Czech Republic will ensure supply to HUngary, Slovakia & down south but will leave the villains cold- Ukraine, Poland, Romania.  

THe LNG will never work in bankrupt European economies because it is more expensive. The liquefacttion process dissipates 1/4 of the volume so they will lose much of the gas. That doesn't include the expensive infrastructures needed. Handling and distribution costs. More expensive gas, more inconvenience. Take note we are talking of hard-up countries which don't have deep pockets here because of their low growth & high debts. The LNG shift is not a small thing but could crash their highly-leverage economies.

This is just one of the minor moves- the freezing of Ukraine (the Ukie NAZIs will become insane trying to escape the cold & the pitchforks of  the angry people who are freezing to death because of the NAZI stupidity). There are many more moves, btw. It is still a long game but I guess this winter may just end all the delusions of the stupid NAZI putschists.

Poland is a villain?  For what?  Being being carved up by Molotov-Ribbentrop, then occupied by two successive totalitarian regimes?

That's exactly the kind of Kremlin apologist's revisionist history that drove the Baltic states into the welcoming arms of NATO, to soon be joined by Ukraine and Belarus, with central Asian states following.

How wise of you to drop your previous claim that LNG terminals cannot withstand low temperatures, because that was a stupid, easily disproved thing to say.  

I already remarked on the massive expense of LNG infrastructure, while making the point that Gasputin's Crimean offensive will serve to accelerate its development regardless of high costs.

LNG technology will only improve, and the more the Bear reverts to its bad old ways of violence the more motivated the research for higher liquefaction recoveries.  NATO and its Middle Eastern puppets have so much gas available, and the ships are so gargantuan, we don't really mind losing 1/4 of the volume; its just the cost of doing business.

Speaking of business, the clients Gasputin sacrifices for the sake of aggression (Slovakia, Romania, Bulagaria, Hungary, etc.) have highly educated populations and improving economies which stand to benefit from the information revolution, especially as catalyzed by Bitcoin.

If they can't afford the LNG investment now, don't worry because the IMF/World Bank oligarchs are more than happy to lend them the money.  That emphasizes my point about Gasputin's evil only serving the interests of New York/London/Moscow high finance at the expense of all the world's regular people.

I understand that comprehending real economics is difficult for you, having been brainwashed by Marxist nonsense, but please look into the Austrian and Chicago schools, so you will become capable of understanding things like supply and demand.  

LOL. Try again.

If you forget just for a moment you are just a paid troll, then you'll realize we have a checkmate there.
(To think, that is just one of the options  )

Clearly, the only thing left in the arsenal of the Anglo-Zionist-American  is propaganda. Economically, it has been seen how it has become a wimp. Militarily, well, it lost all its wars and it will lose again and again . It now ONLY relies on HYPE- create distractions so the world can't see for what it really has become- a trying-hard "has-been", over-the-hill power. Create the most heinous terror so the world will be too terrified to see it has become bankrupt & "pussified" (that's why we have the horrific MH17, Twin Tower bombing, the shelling of civilian population in Donetsk, etc.). That's why we have the color revolutions so we will presume that it's capacity to bribe corrupt people and subvert the will of the people will be mistaken for democracy. LOL. The people has seen through it.

The end is near, actually. The petrodollar is dead. Its propaganda is dead....

 

[iCEBREAKER]

Clearly, the only thing left in the arsenal of the Anglo-Zionist-American  is propaganda. Economically, it has been seen how it has become a wimp. Militarily, well, it lost all its wars and it will lose again and again . It now ONLY relies on HYPE- create distractions so the world can't see for what it really has become- a trying-hard "has-been", over-the-hill power. Create the most heinous terror so the world will be too terrified to see it has become bankrupt & "pussified" (that's why we have the horrific MH17, Twin Tower bombing, the shelling of civilian population in Donetsk, etc.). That's why we have the color revolutions so we will presume that it's capacity to bribe corrupt people and subvert the will of the people will be mistaken for democracy. LOL. The people has seen through it.

The end is near, actually. The petrodollar is dead. Its propaganda is dead....

Propaganda isn't the only thing left in the Anglo-Zionist-American arsenal.

We also have a vast amount of hydrocarbons, and the infrastructure to distribute them.

Those gargantuan LNG terminals and ships are not "propaganda" or "hype" - they are facts on the ground and in the water.

The petrodollar was dying, until America's energy exports surged over the last few years.  Look at the US dollar index and the price of gold.

Are you denying that America is once again an energy exporting powerhouse, and that has revived the petrodollar?

[myshownow]

Clearly, the only thing left in the arsenal of the Anglo-Zionist-American  is propaganda. Economically, it has been seen how it has become a wimp. Militarily, well, it lost all its wars and it will lose again and again . It now ONLY relies on HYPE- create distractions so the world can't see for what it really has become- a trying-hard "has-been", over-the-hill power. Create the most heinous terror so the world will be too terrified to see it has become bankrupt & "pussified" (that's why we have the horrific MH17, Twin Tower bombing, the shelling of civilian population in Donetsk, etc.). That's why we have the color revolutions so we will presume that it's capacity to bribe corrupt people and subvert the will of the people will be mistaken for democracy. LOL. The people has seen through it.

The end is near, actually. The petrodollar is dead. Its propaganda is dead....

Propaganda isn't the only thing left in the Anglo-Zionist-American arsenal.

We also have a vast amount of hydrocarbons, and the infrastructure to distribute them.

Those gargantuan LNG terminals and ships are not "propaganda" or "hype" - they are facts on the ground and in the water.

The petrodollar was dying, until America's energy exports surged over the last few years.  Look at the US dollar index and the price of gold.

Are you denying that America is once again an energy exporting powerhouse, and that has revived the petrodollar?

LOL, Were you hiding under the rocks? Everything in Anglo-Zionist-American land is manipulated data.

That is part of the propaganda. Look for the oil bonanza where you can (below is the first of the exposures of the shale oil propaganda, there's a series of them if you care to research on that)...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-22/us-shale-oil-miracle-disappears

[iCEBREAKER]

LOL, Were you hiding under the rocks? Everything in Anglo-Zionist-American land is manipulated data.

That is part of the propaganda. Look for the oil bonanza where you can (below is the first of the exposures of the shale oil propaganda, there's a series of them if you care to research on that)...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-22/us-shale-oil-miracle-disappears

I'm glad you read 0H, it's a great site.

But please acknowledge that shale oil is a different product than natural gas, because confusing the two makes you look foolish (fuelish?).

Much of the Anglosphere's data is manipulated, we can agree on that.

However, those shiny new terminals in Qatar, Alaska, Louisiana, and Texas are filling huge tankers with LNG, not with manipulated data.

Qatari and Texan businessmen did not become incredibly rich and powerful by dealing in fake bullshit.  They invest in LNG because Gasputin's antics are increasing demand for their product with every day that passes.

I'm not a fan of petrodollar hegemony any more than you, and wish Gasputin would stop putting it on life-support with his aggressive expansion.

Sincerely,

-iB

[myshownow]

LOL, Were you hiding under the rocks? Everything in Anglo-Zionist-American land is manipulated data.

That is part of the propaganda. Look for the oil bonanza where you can (below is the first of the exposures of the shale oil propaganda, there's a series of them if you care to research on that)...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-22/us-shale-oil-miracle-disappears

I'm glad you read 0H, it's a great site.

But please acknowledge that shale oil is a different product than natural gas, because confusing the two makes you look foolish (fuelish?).

Much of the Anglosphere's data is manipulated, we can agree on that.

However, those shiny new terminals in Qatar, Alaska, Louisiana, and Texas are filling huge tankers with LNG, not with manipulated data.

Qatari and Texan businessmen did not become incredibly rich and powerful by dealing in fake bullshit.  They invest in LNG because Gasputin's antics are increasing demand for their product with every day that passes.

I'm not a fan of petrodollar hegemony any more than you, and wish Gasputin would stop putting it on life-support with his aggressive expansion.

Sincerely,

-iB

I thnk you're the insecure type who has to have the last word no matter how wishy-washy your arguments. I can just let it go since I made my points already ( 1) the Ukraine fiasco is already checkmated shortly & (2) that the Anglo-Zionist-American now only relies on hype to maintain its pretension to power).

But I want to help you to get rid of your tendency to be intellectually dishonest, perhaps I can make a more intellectually satisfying discussion with you in the future (this time,frankly, it's like talking with a high school kid, lamentably  ): those which you call "shiny terminals" in Qatar, Alaska, etc. have been there for a time  and they will still always go to where they have been sent all along  because they are more expensive in established markets, and, as proved by the confirmation of their shale oil propaganda, the US has no extra capacity to supplant other markets so its much-hoped (deluded?) for petrodollar rally is shot. The hype was blown.

At least you admitted, there are many manipulated data. Nice start of regaining a fairer mind there...

Good luck for more awareness development...

 

[iCEBREAKER]

I thnk you're the insecure type who has to have the last word no matter how wishy-washy your arguments. I can just let it go since I made my points already ( 1) the Ukraine fiasco is already checkmated shortly & (2) that the Anglo-Zionist-American now only relies on hype to maintain its pretension to power).

But I want to help you to get rid of your tendency to be intellectually dishonest, perhaps I can make a more intellectually satisfying discussion with you in the future (this time,frankly, it's like talking with a high school kid, lamentably  ): those which you call "shiny terminals" in Qatar, Alaska, etc. have been there for a time  and they will still always go to where they have been sent all along  because , as proved by the confirmation of their shale oil propaganda, the US has no extra capacity to supplant other markets. The hype was blown.

At least you admitted, there are many manipulated data. Nice start of regaining a fairer mind there...

How is maturing LNG production and distribution "hype?"

Why are you still confusing shale oil (which is over hyped) with LNG (which is a reality)?

First you say that LNG is "hype" then you say the terminals have been there a long time?  Which one is it?

America, Canada, Qatar, etc. have plenty of extra capacity to supplant markets abandoned by Moscow.

From TODAY:

The U.S. natural gas boom is poised to go global as the government approves projects that will export the fuel to buyers from Tokyo to New Delhi.

Dominion Resources Inc.’s Cove Point terminal in Maryland won authorization Sept. 29 from the U.S. Federal Energy Regulatory Commission to ship liquefied natural gas around the world. It’s the fourth export project to win permission and the first outside the Gulf of Mexico. Construction will cost between $3.4 billion and $3.8 billion, Dominion said yesterday.

Advances in drilling techniques including hydraulic fracturing have pushed U.S. natural gas output to a record every year since 2011 and made the country the world’s largest producer. U.S. supplies will compete with cargoes from Qatar and Australia, two of the biggest exporters, shifting global movements of the super-chilled fuel.

“In our projections the U.S. becomes a significant LNG exporter, taking the bronze medal after Qatar and Australia,” Laszlo Varro, head of gas, coal and electricity markets at the International Energy Agency, said in an interview in Berlin yesterday.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-30/u-s-gas-boom-turns-global-as-lng-exports-set-to-shake-up-market.html

Have the Cove Point and the other 3 new terminals "been there a long time?"  LOL, you know nothing Jon Snow!   

[myshownow]

I think we should leave Icebreaker to his delusions. We have more class than that. He's just copying & pasting the Anglo-Zionist-American propaganda here. He's just being wishy-washy with facts to distract the discussion. Expected in the training of a paid propagandist with low IQ. Let me quote the study which exposed the fake hype which is the one used to present a powerful America which is afraid to be outed as  bankrupt & prone to military defeats :

The US shale oil "miracle" has about as much believability left as Jimmy Swaggart. Just today, we learned that the EIA has placed a hefty downward revision on its estimate of the amount of recoverable oil in the #1 shale reserve in the US, the Monterey in California.

As recently as yesterday, the much-publicized Monterey formation accounted for nearly two-thirds of all technically-recoverable US shale oil resources.

But by this morning? The EIA now estimates these reserves to be 96% lower than it previously claimed.

Yes, you read that right: 96% lower. As in only 4% of the original estimate is now thought to be technically-recoverable at today's prices:


read the rest here

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-22/us-shale-oil-miracle-disappears


Again I repeat what I wrote earlier:

LOL. Try again.

If you forget just for a moment you are just a paid troll, then you'll realize we have a checkmate there.
(To think, that is just one of the options  )

Clearly, the only thing left in the arsenal of the Anglo-Zionist-American  is propaganda. Economically, it has been seen how it has become a wimp. Militarily, well, it lost all its wars and it will lose again and again . It now ONLY relies on HYPE- create distractions so the world can't see for what it really has become- a trying-hard "has-been", over-the-hill power. Create the most heinous terror so the world will be too terrified to see it has become bankrupt & "pussified" (that's why we have the horrific MH17, Twin Tower bombing, the shelling of civilian population in Donetsk, etc.). That's why we have the color revolutions so we will presume that it's capacity to bribe corrupt people and subvert the will of the people will be mistaken for democracy. LOL. The people has seen through it.

The end is near, actually. The petrodollar is dead. Its propaganda is dead....



Very interesting, it turns out I'm not the only one who has understood the real truth. In browsing a Lithuanian paper, I saw this comment ( it is not surprising that it was immediately deleted, it was nowhere when I referred a friend to it):

Lithuania or any of the Baltics is too poor to be worth invading but just for kicks, Russia should retake Lithuania & the rest. The US & NATO can't do anything because, according to the top German newspaper, Handelsblatt, the US has lost in all its wars except the Normandy landing. THe US lost in Vietnam,
Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. THe US is bankrupt too so what it only has left is the Zionist media like 15min around the world which creates the propaganda that it is still a power when it is already bankrupt & a military joker. So Russia should retake Lithuania, Latvia, EStonia, there will be no challenge, it will only take 30 minutes

The Lithuanian paper, 15min, Moscow Times, Kyiv Post, all the Ukrainian TV stations, Bloomberg, all the American mainstream propaganda press (owned by only 6 corporations) in the midst of the anti-Russia smearing are Zionist-controlled...

 

[iCEBREAKER]

I think we should leave Icebreaker to his delusions. We have more class than that. He's just copying & pasting the Anglo-Zionist-American propaganda here. He's just being wishy-washy with facts to distract the discussion. Expected in the training of a paid propagandist with low IQ. Let me quote the study which exposed the fake hype which is the one used to present a powerful America amidst its bankruptcy & militar defeats:

The US shale oil "miracle" has about as much believability left as Jimmy Swaggart. Just today, we learned that the EIA has placed a hefty downward revision on its estimate of the amount of recoverable oil in the #1 shale reserve in the US, the Monterey in California.

As recently as yesterday, the much-publicized Monterey formation accounted for nearly two-thirds of all technically-recoverable US shale oil resources.

But by this morning? The EIA now estimates these reserves to be 96% lower than it previously claimed.

Yes, you read that right: 96% lower. As in only 4% of the original estimate is now thought to be technically-recoverable at today's prices:

You can pretend the US is not a top exporter of LNG all you want, but it won't change the fact that it is.   

You don't even know the difference between oil and gas!  What an amateur.  Keep reading 0H, maybe you'll get a clue some day.

Monterrey won't be drilled anyway.  Too many rich people live there and the hippies will never allow it.  Qatar, Bakken, and Eagle Ford are another story. 

Remember when you said there were no new LNG terminals coming online, and then I showed you an article from today that mentioned 4 news ones had just been approved (in the US alone)?  That was funny!   

[myshownow]

I think, you just don't want something to be noticed...

Here it is again

Clearly, the only thing left in the arsenal of the Anglo-Zionist-American  is propaganda. Economically, it has been seen how it has become a wimp. Militarily, well, it lost all its wars and it will lose again and again . It now ONLY relies on HYPE- create distractions so the world can't see for what it really has become- a trying-hard "has-been", over-the-hill power. Create the most heinous terror so the world will be too terrified to see it has become bankrupt & "pussified" (that's why we have the horrific MH17, Twin Tower bombing, the shelling of civilian population in Donetsk, etc.). That's why we have the color revolutions so we will presume that it's capacity to bribe corrupt people and subvert the will of the people will be mistaken for democracy. LOL. The people has seen through it.

The end is near, actually. The petrodollar is dead. Its propaganda is dead....



Very interesting, it turns out I'm not the only one who has understood the real truth. In browsing a Lithuanian paper, I saw this comment ( it is not surprising that it was immediately deleted, it was nowhere when I referred a friend to it):

Lithuania or any of the Baltics is too poor to be worth invading but just for kicks, Russia should retake Lithuania & the rest. The US & NATO can't do anything because, according to the top German newspaper, Handelsblatt, the US has lost in all its wars except the Normandy landing. THe US lost in Vietnam,
Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. THe US is bankrupt too so what it only has left is the Zionist media like 15min around the world which creates the propaganda that it is still a power when it is already bankrupt & a military joker. So Russia should retake Lithuania, Latvia, EStonia, there will be no challenge, it will only take 30 minutes

The Lithuanian paper, 15min, Moscow Times, Kyiv Post, all the Ukrainian TV stations, Bloomberg,, Economist, FT, Time, all the American mainstream propaganda press (owned by only 6 corporations) in the midst of the anti-Russia smearing are Zionist-controlled.... In fact, all the highly-funded papers in the Post-Soviet space, all working double-time to spread propaganda against Russia and anybody against their control and interests,  are under Zionists!!

They are clearly in a panic because their host, the possessed US, is collapsing...!!


 

[blablahblah]

PS: Funny how the NATO-trolls feel compelled to spam the thread with multiple messages, so that a message they don't like rolls over to the previous page and gets out from their sight.

You're such a hypocrite

[blablahblah]

One of them called that trick "red herring".

You referring to some of my earlier comments? You're an idiot. Go learn some English before continuing to embarrass yourself in an English language forum.

Let's be magnanimous to the losers. If they are living in Ukraine, for all we know, they will suddenly become Russians again shortly anyway.  

And then they'll be WINNERS!... ??

I am planning investments on Crimea & Vladivostok.

STFU about your plans to invest in Bloodyvostok. You're spreading off-topic propaganda, which makes you a hypocrite, so shut up.