Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia.

[Rassah]

And why would the pro-ukrainians have more guns than pro-separatists, especially with so many separatists in the area?

There are many anti-Maidan activists, yes, but they are poorly armed. Ukrainian army is one of the best equipped European armies and their stocks are huge. Rebels are much stronger than they were in May or June, but still they are nowhere near the Kiev's forces.

But you said Mariupol majority are anti-Kiev? Sure, they wouldn't have as many weapons as Ukraine army until Russia arms them, but shouldn't the rebels have been in Mariupol to begin with? It's a rebel city if majority are already anti-Kiev. Why were they sitting around doing nothing, waiting for some OTHER rebels to come to them? And where did those other rebels get their weapons? All of this doesn't make any sense, unless you look at it from the point of "rebels want to TAKE OVER Mariupol," which they didn't hold control of due to it not supporting rebels before.

By the way, what will happen to the thousands of pro-ukrainians who live in Mariupol if the separatists take it over? Will they be banished from the city? Arrested and tortured like other ukraine supporters?

I suppose they would become 'silent minority'. Except for some unfortunate but isolated accidents, there hasn't been anything like organized campaign aimed at the large-scale indimidation or ethnic cleansing of Ukrainians loyal to Kiev in neither DNR or LNR.

Are you you sure about that? http://hrw.org/news/2014/08/28/ukraine-rebel-forces-detain-torture-civilians

On the other side... well, let's just remember that -according to UN- almost 900.000 Ukrainian citizens are refugees in Russia, that's about 80-85% of all people in Ukraine who were forced to leave their homes and run for safety.

According to the ACTUAL UN, and not the one made up by Russia,  "The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, also known as the United Nations Refugee Agency (UNHCR), says that more than 168,000 people crossed the border from Ukraine into Russia." Not quite the 900,000 you said. Don't forget that just this Spring Russia published tons of news about 670,000 Ukrainian refugees crossing into Russia BEFORE the fighting even started, with the reason being "they were afraid of the far-right fascist government," and for proof posted pictures of Ukrainians crossing a border that was later revealed to actually be the Polish border. No such mass migrations of Ukrainians were ever found or proven, but the 6700,000 number stuck, and seems to have been growing. By the end of the year, it may even be 5,000,000.

900.000 Ukrainian citizens are refugees in Russia, that's about 80-85% of all people in Ukraine who were forced to leave their homes and run for safety.

I'm sure you misspoke or confused something here, because there are 45.49 million people in Ukraine. Even if 900,000 of them left, that's only 2% of Ukrainians, not 85%.

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[Rassah]

When Amnesty International has to make a statement like this, one can only wonder what else they did not tell and what are the true proportions of the Kiev's criminal aggression on their own citizens:

Amnesty International is calling on the Ukrainian authorities to bring 'Aidar' and other volunteer battalions under effective lines of command and control, promptly investigate all allegations of abuses, and hold those responsible to account.

I'm sure Kiev would like to capture and prosecute those criminals, but it's a bit busy right now fighting the Russians. Maybe if those Russians will stop fighting Ukrainians, and help them find those Aidar criminals...

[bryant.coleman]

I'm sure Kiev would like to capture and prosecute those criminals, but it's a bit busy right now fighting the Russians.

blah..blah....blah....

Poroshenko would surely love to prosecute the Aidar battalion, which is his most important fighting unit in the Donbass. Most of the regular army units have either deserted or taken out. The only ones remaining are neo-Nazi battalions such as Aidar and Azov. They will soon be captured and prosecuted.... not by Poroshenko, but by the Novorussian Armed Forces (NAF).

[247crypto]

http://rusvesna.su/

http://dnr.today/

http://vk.com/novorossia_today

http://www.liveleak.com/c/annanews

[Rassah]

Last time I checked, bitcoin was not a platform to spread "western-style capitalism" wtf??? lol

Western-style capitalism, where businesses and individuals are free to own businesses, property, and trade freely internationally, often fighting against government interference, regulation, and corruption. This is in contrast to Eastern-style "capitalism" practiced in Russia and China, where businesses, resources, and means of production are mostly owned and controlled by government, or owned by oligarchs who pretty much steal them through bureaucracy and their ties to government officials. There is socialist corruption slowly spreading through USA and Europe, too, but at least it's being resisted. Russia just full on embraced it.

What we are seeing happen in Ukraine right now, is a perfect example of "western-style capitalism" - Namely the Trillions of $ worth of shale gas underneath Donbass...

Actually, in that case what we saw was western-style capitalism getting an interest in investing in and mining that gas in Donbass, but Russian government-owned oil and gas companies feeling threatened, and invading a foreign country to distabilize that capitalism, and probably steal the resources again.

The US State department spent 5 billion dollars funding the coup in Ukraine

Russian lie that has never been proven. More importantly, all the people that were protesting would have been protesting regardless of whether 5 billion dollars were spent or not. They were not doing it for money, and my friends who protested were never paid to protest, or know anyone who was paid. They were protesting because Yanukovich was starting to be a dictator. That's it.

Better start a coup in ukraine and try to destabilize Russia.

Seriously? That's a new one! How is creating a coup destabilizing Russia? NOT destabilizing Ukraine with a coup would have severely destabilized Russia by letting Ukraine mine and sell gas to Europe.

This is a bitcoin forum where people tend to intelligently discuss the truth behind matters. Not cling to some vain sense of anti-russian BS sentiment.

I'm not anti-russian because I don't like Russians. I'm anti-russian, Russian government, because of their lies, propaganda, extreme anti-ukrainianism, and most importantly because they invaded my country and lied about it.

The fact of the matter is, whether you want to admit it or not, Russia is one of the only countries in the entire WORLD that is willing to stand up against western imperialist aggression and their endless sabotage of the governments of other countries. For this, I greatly respect Putin. He is a man of integrity, unlike the puppets over here in the west.

If you really believe this, then you have been really really misinformed. Russia has been just as imperialist when it was Soviet Union, and hasn't improved much since then. They have invaded and sabotaged Moldova, Georgia, Azerbaijan, and now Ukraine, and that's just under Putin.

But let's look at this from a bitcoin perspective. Bitcoins ultimate long-term goal is to make it impossible for governments to monitor and control trade, and extremely difficult to collect taxes. Basically, government control and bureaucracy will mostly become unenforceable and obsolete.

What this means for "Western-Capitalist" countries: taxes are greatly reduced, business is much more free and uninhibited, personal and business freedoms are expanded, because things like government discrimination against drug use or any other private actions are too costly to enforce, as are unnecesary regulations against businesses. With government drastically weakened, corporations no longer need to influence government to protect themselves from competitors, so no more corporate corruption. Businesses have to earn money the old fashioned way. Best of all, since taxes are difficult to obtain and money can't just be printed out of thin air, military becomes impossibly expensive, so is forced to be reduced to protection only, or replaced with private security. No more unnecessary wars, unless some company wants to pay for it completely by itself, which is unlikely, since it would bankrupt them.

What this means for Russia: not much, since Russian government owns the oil and the energy companies that most of Russia's income comes from (this is called fascism or communism BTW, depending on whom you ask). The already corrupt government of oligarchs will continue to use their wealth and power to steal (Putin is estimated to have stolen $150 billion from Russian people through corrupt business and government practices). There is no reason for them to stop oppressing the media and personal freedoms: they can afford it. Worse yet, most people are apathetic and accept it (those who don't are arrested), and the church is quickly rising to power, working together with government for the goal of controlling people. Thanks to them Russia banned homosexuality, regularly prosecutes "obscenities," and is becoming a theocratic state. This kind of oppression needs no money, just brainwashed masses (just like Islamic oppression in poor Middle Eastern countries). Taxation in Russia is low to begin with, with high tax evasion prevalent. Worst of all, they can still afford the military that they send to places like Ukraine and Georgia. About the only positive change from bitcoin is that private anonymous funding will allow for privately funded bounties and assassination markets, meaning people like Putin and other oligarchs that piss off nations by invading them may find themselves being hunted by opportunists. As will many other dictators.

And please don't delude yourself, Putin, with 3 terms of often questionable elections, %87 support, practically guarantee to get a fourth term, and his sights set on life time presidency, is a dictator in everything but name.

[Rassah]

I'm sure Kiev would like to capture and prosecute those criminals, but it's a bit busy right now fighting the Russians.

blah..blah....blah....

Poroshenko would surely love to prosecute the Aidar battalion, which is his most important fighting unit in the Donbass. Most of the regular army units have either deserted or taken out.

You guys need to get your stories straight. You say the only ones left are Aidar Nazis, others are saying Mariupol has lots of Ukrainian army and separatists can't invade, another said NAF was pushed out by Ukrainian army... Please get your lies in order so you don't make up conflicting stories.

[myshownow]

Far from useless propaganda, reality grinds on. A cruel reality where delusions are the entertainment of small fools. ... Of course,  the fool would only see the black line and won't notice what's between the lines...




Europe Folds To Russian Demands, Delays Ukraine Free Trade Deal By Over A Year (BTW, THIS MEANS NEVER)


While the world was poring through the details of the latest round of preannounced western sanctions against Russia - a round which Russia commented would have virtually no actual impact - and just as excitedly awaiting the Kremlin's retaliation which Putin warned is coming shortly, far from the glare of the center stage Europe quietly folded to a bigger Russian demand namely to delay the implementation of a Ukraine free trade deal by more than one year until the end of 2015 and likely beyond.

As AFP reported, EU Trade Commissioner Karel de Gucht said, after talks with Russian and Ukrainian ministers, that the free trade agreement which Ukraine and its imploding economy had hoped would be implemented in the immediate future, will instead be delayed. Perhaps the date of the provisional launch has something to do with it: EU sources said the trade deal was to have taken effect on November 14, i.e. in the middle of Europe's cold, snowy, GDP-sapping winter. The European Council of 28 members states must now sign off on the delay.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-12/europe-folds-russian-demands-delays-ukraine-free-trade-deal-over-year

[myshownow]

LOL,  so they allowed you to appear finally? How does it feel being hidden for so long a time  just because  you've been making us die laughing here due to your stupidity?

My advice, don't be ashamed you're stupid. Stupidity is something all intelligent people expect of Ukrainians anyway.

Congratulations, btw...  for being courageous. Being stupid is something I never had the courage to aspire to be. Good luck with your stupidity...

 


Read what I wrote before:

I love coming here because of the entertainment.It's amusing to see here the Ukrainian trolls spouting their ridiculous attempts to "portray intelligence through propaganda". It makes you wonder that if there were so many intelligent Ukrainians, why was UKarine outclassed by supposedly dictatorial Belarus & kazakhstan in the rush to progress game (Ukraine was the second richest part of the USSR, mind you, so you can see how low its descent was and the Ukrainians were so intelligent they even made it bankrupt when they became independent, just consistent with the stupidity they have shown throughout their history as serfs to various empires). They are so intelligent they decided to ally with comatose patrons on their their last stage of implosion. Some intelligence, eh?












 

[bryant.coleman]

You guys need to get your stories straight. You say the only ones left are Aidar Nazis, others are saying Mariupol has lots of Ukrainian army and separatists can't invade, another said NAF was pushed out by Ukrainian army... Please get your lies in order so you don't make up conflicting stories.

The Ukrainian troops currently stationed in Mariupol number somewhere between 4,000 and 6,000. Of them, only a small minority are regular Ukrainian soldiers. The remaining is drawn from various neo-Nazi units such as Dnepr, Donbass, Azov, Krym, Aidar.etc, in addition to the Nazi-majority National Guard.

Talking about the regular army, the strength is severely depleted. Some 30K to 50K have been taken out of action, due to desertion, WIA/KIA/POW and defections. What is remaining is mostly units from provinces such as Odessa and Transcarpathia, who are ideologically not motivated to fight for Poroshenko.

[Paya]

But you said Mariupol majority are anti-Kiev? Sure, they wouldn't have as many weapons as Ukraine army until Russia arms them, but shouldn't the rebels have been in Mariupol to begin with? It's a rebel city if majority are already anti-Kiev. Why were they sitting around doing nothing, waiting for some OTHER rebels to come to them?

Apparently, you've missed it - there was an anti-Maidan movement in Mariupol, but it was brutally suffocated by Ukrainian forces in June. Batallion 'Azov' played key role - for those less informed, 'Azov' is notorious Ukrainian paramilitary gang whose mentors are ultra-nationalists Oleh Lyashko and Dmytro Korchynsky. Kiev has been maintaining strong armed presence in the city ever since, preventing similar unrest to occur in the future. 'Occupation' and 'state terrorism' are two terms that can be conveniently used in this case.

Are you you sure about that? http://hrw.org/news/2014/08/28/ukraine-rebel-forces-detain-torture-civilians

I am not saying that rebels are angels, there are nutjobs within their ranks too but... HRW? Please. It's just a tool in the hands of American administration. They will tell whatever is needed to be told in any given situation. Amnesty International can be pretty biased, but these guys are professional liars.

I'm sure you misspoke or confused something here, because there are 45.49 million people in Ukraine. Even if 900,000 of them left, that's only 2% of Ukrainians, not 85%.

I was talking about the refugees. Two weeks ago United Nations’ refugee agency stated that the fighting in Ukraine had displaced more than a million people, vast majority of them seeking for shelter in Russia: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/03/world/europe/more-than-a-million-ukrainians-have-been-displaced-un-says.html?_r=0. Bear in mind that the number of Ukrainian citizens escaping into Russia is still increasing and some latest estimations are closing to 920.000. It's not easy to come up with exact number, though, because many Ukrainians have relatives in Russia and these people are often invisible.

[chopstick]

http://slavyangrad.org/2014/09/13/the-new-round-of-sanctions-the-pre-war-period/#more-3665


Political Briefings
The New Round of Sanctions – The Pre-War Period
Posted by Gleb Bazov ⋅ September 13, 2014   ⋅ 5 Comments
Filed Under  Anatoliy Nesmeyan, El-Murid, EU, Novorossiya, Russia, Ukraine, US   

muridOriginal: El Murid (Anatoliy Nesmeyan) LiveJournal
Translated from Russian by Gleb Bazov

The latest round of sanctions imposed by the European Union has essentially put an end to any discussion about the possibility of an agreement with the West. Notwithstanding all the concessions and betrayal.

The very fact that Russia faltered in Ukraine and did not defend its national interests, abandoning the Donbass region and its people to the mercy of those bent on tearing them apart, and accepting loss of face on the part of the Russian leadership and frank betrayal—all this only convinced the West that it can dictate its will by continuing to increase the pressure.

It is difficult to tell what was it that the traitors promised to the President, but it is already obvious that they deceived him. There will be no reconciliation. The problem is that now the Western pressure has ceased to have a purely Ukrainian dimension. Sanctions and their tightening are aimed exclusively at fomenting a schism in the Russian elite, at infringing on the interests of one of its parts and at whipping up an early coup.

What is at stake now is no more and no less than the head of Putin himself—no other outcome will satisfy the West. Already after Crimea, the frightened Euro-American elite had resolved that there can be no dealing with Putin’s Russia and for that reason sanctioned the plans for his overthrow. For now—by means of a coup d’état at the hands of aggrieved and disadvantaged oligarchs. If that does not work—through a military conflict.

It appears that the Russian leadership understands this, and that yesterday’s regular exercises of the troops of the Eastern Military District, which required them to be brought to full combat readiness, is a demonstration of the fact that Russia is ready for such a development of the situation. The only question that remains is whether she is ready for betrayal.

The past three to four years have provided a wealth of material for the study of possible scenarios of war with Russia. Libya, Egypt, Yemen, Ukraine – these are countries where the West achieved its objectives through mutiny of one of the parts of the indigenous elite, following which it supported the arrival of democracy to these wild outskirts of civilization. In Libya this was facilitated by NATO’s bombers; in Egypt – by mass funding of terrorist groups from the pockets of western corporations in Qatar; in Yemen, the wager was placed on tribal leaders and on the launch of the “Al-Qaeda of the Arabian Peninsula” project; in Ukraine – well, here, everything is right before our eyes.

In Syria, this scenario malfunctioned. The Syrian elite refused to betray Assad, as its interests are tied to Syria, and the business and the welfare of its members are based on a united and stable Syria. That is why individual traitors in the leadership of the country could not undermine its stability, and the West was forced to rely on the terrorists of Al-Nusra, ISIS, the Islamic Front, the Farouq Brigades, the Free Syrian Army, and many others. Now Obama is preparing to bomb the Syrian territory under the guise of fighting the Islamic State. There is no doubt that the range of the bombing campaign will extend much further, and that, if Russia overlooks the bombing of Ar-Raqqa, in one or two months Obama’s falcons will start bombing Damascus. If Russia does not arrange for immediate deliveries to Syria of Air Defence systems capable of taking down the American terrorists, we will be faced with a sharp aggravation of the situation in the south in addition to the problems in Ukraine.

Russia stands before the same choice—first we can expect a coup. Unlike Syria, a significant part of the contemporary Russian elite are common compradors that have nothing in common with the country other than the fact that it is from Russia itself that they pump their subcutaneous wellbeing. It is these people that their Western owners are now beginning severely to pressure, using sanctions as a whip so as to encourage them to organize a coup. And the longer they delay, the stronger and fiercer the sanctions will become.

However, the sanctions have yet another aspect to them—in the event the coup d’état fails, the West wants as much as possible to weaken the leading sectors of the Russian economy, so as to ensure that Russia is minimally ready when she faces the possible armed conflict. Speaking about the military conflict, we can now say with confidence that the ideas of George Friedman about using and unifying the wars in Iraq and Ukraine will become the basis of the military intervention against Russia. Whether this will be done through a war in Crimea or an armed conflict in Chechnya is a purely situational matter. It is certain that different scenarios are being formulated, and that they will be launched either immediately following the coup d’état attempt or synchronously therewith.

The events of the past few years have very clearly demonstrated that the West has wagered on the destruction of the existing world order. It is not satisfied with the emergence of new centres of power, which places it on the precipice of a civilizational catastrophe. The sweet life of the “golden billion” has always been premised on the slavish existence of the rest of the world, who worked for their masters. The new centres and growth points, the new associations of Third World countries that are gaining momentum make the concepts of neocolonialism worthless—and the West will go to war. To a large degree, it simply has no other choice.

The colour revolutions gave the United States and its allies an instrument, using which they expect to defeat their strategic rivals without bringing about direct confrontations that threaten total destruction. By spreading around the world, the cancerous tumour of democracy and human rights, in their Western interpretations, is preparing the groundwork for colour revolutions of varying degrees of ferocity.

The pressure of sanctions on Russia, which no one is any longer interested in stopping, transitions the level of confrontation to a qualitatively different state. Evidently, there is a certain point of no return, upon achieving which a rollback is no longer possible. There is a deep suspicion that we had already passed it, casually and imperceptibly. Most likely, this point can be considered to be Russia’s refusal to fight for Ukraine. The May of 2014, when quite inexplicably the people of the Donbass region were simply betrayed, can be considered such a point – the West received proof that it had the ability to force its interests. Who was it in the Russian elite and the state apparatus that exerted pressure on or deceived the Russian President – the latter knows best. But these are the same people that will stand behind the coup.

If we have entered the pre-war period, then the logic of our behavior must also become other than in peacetime. The slightest hint of the possibility of a coup must be eliminated. People who would betray and sell the country must be removed from power. They must be deprived of the tools of their influence. Then the West will be left with only the military option – a path that it fears. A path that affords it far fewer chance than a betrayal.

[niothor]

Such support to Russian politics on a bitcoin forum , much amazing

Let me quote russia today :

“People can play with their chips, and they can call them money, but they can’t use these surrogate currencies as tender,” Deputy Finance Minister Aleksey Moiseev told journalists in Moscow.

Although the draft of the proposed legislation has not been published, officials say they will open criminal proceedings against both: those who mint digital currency – usually with the help of powerful computers – and those who use them for transactions. The finance ministry has also asked regulators to ban access to exchanges and online stores that accept bitcoin.

In their notes explaining the reasons for the impending ban, Russian officials unleashed a familiar two-pronged attack on cryptocurrencies, the oldest of which, bitcoin, was launched five years ago. Law drafters say that virtual currency’s cross-border nature, transaction anonymity and lack of supervisory body makes it the perfect vehicle for illegal transactions – be it money laundering, buying illicit goods, rendering illegal services or funding terrorism.

Of course , terrorism...

On the other hand, since it is not backed by any assets, cryptocurrency is liable to fluctuate wildly, so the ban would be a protective measure that would prevent people from losing money as a result of speculation.

http://rt.com/business/187440-bitcoin-ban-russia-cryptocurrency/

[247crypto]

This topic is about Donetsk, Lugansk and Kharkov, other questions are OFF TOPIC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9JCtT4YRT8

[Balthazar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9JCtT4YRT8

Waiting for Pagan, butthurt is guaranteed.

[blablahblah]

Last time I checked, bitcoin was not a platform to spread "western-style capitalism" wtf??? lol

Western-style capitalism, where businesses and individuals are free to own businesses, property, and trade freely internationally, often fighting against government interference, regulation, and corruption. This is in contrast to Eastern-style "capitalism" practiced in Russia and China, where businesses, resources, and means of production are mostly owned and controlled by government, or owned by oligarchs who pretty much steal them through bureaucracy and their ties to government officials. There is socialist corruption slowly spreading through USA and Europe, too, but at least it's being resisted. Russia just full on embraced it.

What we are seeing happen in Ukraine right now, is a perfect example of "western-style capitalism" - Namely the Trillions of $ worth of shale gas underneath Donbass...

Actually, in that case what we saw was western-style capitalism getting an interest in investing in and mining that dad in Donbass, but Russian government-owned oil and gas companies feeling threatened, and invading a foreign country to distabilize that capitalism, and probably steal the resources again.
...

The fact of the matter is, whether you want to admit it or not, Russia is one of the only countries in the entire WORLD that is willing to stand up against western imperialist aggression and their endless sabotage of the governments of other countries. For this, I greatly respect Putin. He is a man of integrity, unlike the puppets over here in the west.

If you really believe this, then you have been really really misinformed. Russia has been just as imperialist when it was Soviet Union, and hasn't improved much since then. They have invaded and sabotaged Moldova, Georgia, Azerbaijan, and now Ukraine, and that's just under Putin.

But let's look at this from a bitcoin perspective. Bitcoins ultimate long-term goal is to make it impossible for governments to monitor and control trade, and extremely difficult to collect taxes. Basically, government control and bureaucracy will mostly become unenforceable and obsolete.

What this means for "Western-Capitalist" countries: taxes are greatly reduced, business is much more free and uninhibited, personal and business freedoms are expanded, because things like government discrimination against drug use or any other private actions are too costly to enforce, as are unnecesary regulations against businesses. With government drastically weakened, corporations no longer need to influence government to protect themselves from competitors, so no more corporate corruption. Businesses have to earn money the old fashioned way. Best of all, since taxes are difficult to obtain and money can't just be printed out of thin air, military becomes impossibly expensive, so is forced to be reduced to protection only, or replaced with private security. No more unnecessary wars, unless some company wants to pay for it completely by itself, which is unlikely, since it would bankrupt them.

What this means for Russia: not much, since Russian government owns the oil and the energy companies that most of Russia's income comes from (this is called fascism or communism BTW, depending on whom you ask). The already corrupt government of oligarchs will continue to use their wealth and power to steal (Putin is estimated to have stolen $150 billion from Russian people through corrupt business and government practices). There is no reason for them to stop oppressing the media and personal freedoms: they can afford it. Worse yet, most people are apathetic and accept it (those who don't are arrested), and the church is quickly rising to power, working together with government for the goal of controlling people. Thanks to them Russia banned homosexuality, regularly prosecutes "obscenities," and is becoming a theocratic state. This kind of oppression needs no money, just brainwashed masses (just like Islamic oppression in poor Middle Eastern countries). Taxation in Russia is low to begin with, with high tax evasion prevalent. Worst of all, they can still afford the military that they send to places like Ukraine and Georgia. About the only positive change from bitcoin is that private anonymous funding will allow for privately funded bounties and assassination markets, meaning people like Putin and other oligarchs that piss off nations by invading them may find themselves being hunted by opportunists. As will many other dictators.

And please don't delude yourself, Putin, with 3 terms of often questionable elections, %87 support, practically guarantee to get a fourth term, and his sights set on life time presidency, is a dictator in everything but name.

Nice round-up. I was just about to ask what political system the Attackers of Donetsk, Lugansk and Kharkov, claim to actually have. And of course, it's completely ON-topic because it might help us understand the attacker's motivation.

In other threads, maybe even earlier in this thread, Russians have claimed that they don't like democracy. That's understandable, obviously it's not perfect, but what superior system do they claim to have? Oh, it's pretty much the same, they have elections, multiple political parties, voting, some concept of a parliament (Duma? Kremlin?)... So, what's actually different?

What elements of the Russian system are actually better, which the West could benefit from if they adopted it?

[RoadTrain]

What this means for Russia: not much, since Russian government owns the oil and the energy companies that most of Russia's income comes from (this is called fascism or communism BTW, depending on whom you ask).

Is Norway fascist or communist, or its 67% stake in Statoil is not enough?

[247crypto]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_budget_of_Russia

Wow, experts of Federal Budget of Russia... give Your numbers...

[Balthazar]

What this means for Russia: not much, since Russian government owns the oil and the energy companies that most of Russia's income comes from (this is called fascism or communism BTW, depending on whom you ask).

Is Norway fascist or communist, or its 67% stake in Statoil is not enough?

The both, because state ownership magically turns a country into the communist or fascist system of course.

What this means for Russia: not much, since Russian government owns the oil and the energy companies that most of Russia's income comes from (this is called fascism or communism BTW, depending on whom you ask

Yeah for sure. If you're asking an ignorant fool like Rassah, then it's fascism or communism... If you're talking with a bit educated person then it's state capitalism or mixed system.

Addition from my girlfriend:

Seriously, aren't you tired of pretend to be an idiot? I think it's obvious even for yourself, that you have no idea about the subject. Maybe it's better to learn the basics of capitalism, socialism and your favorite fascism before trying to talk about that? There are really too many dumb statements coming from you. Please try to do something with your education before we've died of laugh.

[247crypto]

[247crypto]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2fg_XV-FuI