Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia.

[niothor]

How many wars has Russia fought on it's territory defending itself and how many to expand it's own ?
Common , be a sweet Norwegian guy m and acknowledge that it's about  1 to 10.

Don't forget that in the ww2 , the russian where the aggressors , sorry to say it but it's like that.

And , as blabla said , why do you say Russia was a target , Russia in a 25 years old country , isn't it?

Russia is an old country with an existential gap between 1917 and 1992 (and almost fulfilling the Western wish in the 90and getting destroyed by puppet Yeltsin and co.)

Russians were aggressors during WWII? Are you living in an alternate reality? I thought you were  Even so, that means that Georgians were aggressors (especially them, those bloody murderous aggressive Georgians, who had under their thumb the better part of Eurasia and invaded Romania!), Ukrainians were aggressors, Azerbaijany were aggressors.

Also, if you put a 1:10 claim, please back it up.

What was first?
Invasion of Poland by the Russians , Invasion Of Russia by the Germans?
Also the annexation of Bucovina by the Russians was before or after we went to war with mother bear?

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[Nemo1024]

How many wars has Russia fought on it's territory defending itself and how many to expand it's own ?
Common , be a sweet Norwegian guy m and acknowledge that it's about  1 to 10.

Don't forget that in the ww2 , the russian where the aggressors , sorry to say it but it's like that.

And , as blabla said , why do you say Russia was a target , Russia in a 25 years old country , isn't it?

Russia is an old country with an existential gap between 1917 and 1992 (and almost fulfilling the Western wish in the 90and getting destroyed by puppet Yeltsin and co.)

Russians were aggressors during WWII? Are you living in an alternate reality? I thought you were  Even so, that means that Georgians were aggressors (especially them, those bloody murderous aggressive Georgians, who had under their thumb the better part of Eurasia and invaded Romania!), Ukrainians were aggressors, Azerbaijany were aggressors.

Also, if you put a 1:10 claim, please back it up.

What was first?
Invasion of Poland by the Russians , Invasion Of Russia by the Germans?
Also the annexation of Bucovina by the Russians Georgians, Moldavians and Ukrainians was before or after we went to war with mother bear?

Don't take the division of Poland between Germany and Soviet union as an isolated incident. Take in the bigger picture the events in Mongolia and the Japanese threat, and you will see how Soviet Union was trying to buy itself some time to avoid fighting on two fronts with the imminent invasion from Europe,

PS: Fixed the Bucovina incident for you. Russia didn't border with Romania during the SU period, remember? And the leader of Soviet Union was Georgian...
And you didn't so much go to war, as invaded the Odessa region. The tales of Romanians massacring the local population are still ripe among the elders. Oh, and you switched sides, when it became apparent which way the wind was blowing...

An interesting read here:
http://countrystudies.us/romania/22.htm

[niothor]

How many wars has Russia fought on it's territory defending itself and how many to expand it's own ?
Common , be a sweet Norwegian guy m and acknowledge that it's about  1 to 10.

Don't forget that in the ww2 , the russian where the aggressors , sorry to say it but it's like that.

And , as blabla said , why do you say Russia was a target , Russia in a 25 years old country , isn't it?

Russia is an old country with an existential gap between 1917 and 1992 (and almost fulfilling the Western wish in the 90and getting destroyed by puppet Yeltsin and co.)

Russians were aggressors during WWII? Are you living in an alternate reality? I thought you were  Even so, that means that Georgians were aggressors (especially them, those bloody murderous aggressive Georgians, who had under their thumb the better part of Eurasia and invaded Romania!), Ukrainians were aggressors, Azerbaijany were aggressors.

Also, if you put a 1:10 claim, please back it up.

What was first?
Invasion of Poland by the Russians , Invasion Of Russia by the Germans?
Also the annexation of Bucovina by the Russians Georgians, Moldavians and Ukrainians was before or after we went to war with mother bear?

Don't take the division of Poland between Germany and Soviet union as an isolated incident. Take in the bigger picture the events in Mongolia and the Japanese threat, and you will see how Soviet Union was trying to buy itself some time to avoid fighting on two fronts with the imminent invasion from Europe,

So they were buying time when invading a country... no matter how you twist it it was an invasion.
And what happened in Bucuvina was also an invasion on a country that was neutral ta that time.

End of story. You invaded 2 countries before somebody attacked you.
If i start by your model Germany was preparing for the invasion in Normandy by invading France.

Also , Germany in not to blame for ww2 right?  Hitler wasn't german. Nor Napoleon 100% french.

[bryant.coleman]

Here is a video from the first phase of the Prisoner exchange. 37 militia members and Donbass civilians exchanged for the same number of Ukrainian soldiers and far-right activists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3SFkCBm3WI

The exchange was overseen by the OSCE personnel.

[hdbuck]

For those still doubting there are nazis in ukraine, the german television surely spotted them..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf0vbGj9cO4

[247crypto]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bkQGLNmYq8

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[myshownow]

This article clearly describes a bankrupt WEst in panic... they have always relied on propaganda to control the narrative, but people, who are suffering from increasing poverty in the WEst, including the once mighty US (1 out of 5 children in poverty), already got wiser. And now that they have realized their propaganda is useless, they can't believe reality staring at them at the face... so expect insanity to set in as they crash. WW3? Well, that's the bluff anyway... the last resort bluff...

To appreciate this article better, place it on the context of the accelerating dollar dumping led by Russia, China, the BRICS, etc. (including major oil producer, Iran). THese are heady times, we are witnessing the end of an empire...

The US-EU-Russia Sanctions Puzzle


Russia has a huge surplus of foreign capital - and is able to weather the storm. Germany – the EU’s top economy – on the other hand, is already suffering.

Russia does not need more US dollars and euro.



Whatever Russia does, doubt does not even enter the equation. The answer is sanctions. So here we go again. The US Treasury-EU latest sanction package targets Russian banking, the energy industry and the defense industry.

The sanctions are mean. The sanctions are nasty. And there’s no euphemism to describe them; they amount to a declaration of economic war.

Sberbank, Russia’s largest won’t be able to access Western capital for long-term funding, including every kind of borrowing over 30 days. And the current 90-day lending bans affecting six other large Russian banks – a previous sanctions package - will also be reduced to 30 days.

On the energy front, what the US-EU want is to shut down new Russian exploration projects in Siberia and the Arctic, barring Western Big Oil from selling equipment and technology to offshore, deepwater or shale gas projects.

This means Exxon and Shell, for instance, are frozen in their operations with five top Russian oil/gas/pipeline companies: Gazprom, Gazprom Neft, Lukoil, Surgutneftegaz, and Rosneft.

No one ever lost money betting on the stupidity of the usual, unknown “senior US officials” – who are now spinning the latest sanction package is to force Moscow to “respect international law and state sovereignty.” A cursory examination of the historical record allows this paragraph to be accompanied by roaring laughter.

And then there’s the US Treasury’s Under Secretary for Terrorism and Financial Intelligence, David Cohen, who insists the package will further “isolate” Russia from the global financial system.

The package was also described by Western corporate media as capable of “unnerving already jittery financial markets.” Well, they were not exactly “unnerved.” In Russia, the stocks of companies on the sanctions list went up. In the US, energy stocks went down. Short translation; the “unnerved” markets interpreted the latest package as yet another own goal by Washington and Brussels.

Splitting up Eurasia

As for Russia’s “isolation”, companies are barred from, in Washington-Wall Street newspeak, “important dollar-denominated funding sources.” Or, euphemistically, “Western capital.” This means the US dollar and the euro. Anyone following superimposed moves towards a multipolar world knows Russia does not need more US dollars and euro.

Moscow might use both to cross-purchase goods and services in the US and the EU. Yet these goods and services may be bought elsewhere around the world. For that, you don’t need “Western capital” – as Moscow is fast advancing the use of national currencies with other trade partners. The Atlanticist gang assumes Moscow needs goods and services from the US and the EU much more than the other way around. That’s a fallacy.
(My comment: actually, Russia is a top market for luxury markets, and they can always do without that, and obviously we know who would suffer,the EU brands who can't sell much within the West because of the increasing poverty there? About time Russia builds its own brands anyway- WEstern brands rely on HYPE & it's really tacky bankrupt people setting trends anyway. THe high-end real estate values in New York & LOndon dropped because Russian money avoided these places, so it's obvious who needs Russian capital)

Russia can sell its abundant energy resources in any currency apart from US dollars and euro. Russia can buy all the clothing it needs from Asia and South America. On the electronics and high-tech front, most of it is made in China anyway.

Crucially, on the energy front, it would be no less than thrilling to watch the EU – which still does not even have a common energy policy - trying to come up with alternative suppliers. Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan and Qatar, for a number of complex reasons – ranging from insufficient gas to be committed, to an absence of pipelines – are out of the picture.

The Obama administration, for its part, simply won’t allow the EU to start importing energy from Iran like, virtually, tomorrow. Even with a now quite wobbly nuclear deal reached before the end of 2014 - presumably opening the way to an end to sanctions.

The “irrational” markets see what’s really goin’ on; they are not “irrational” but moved by profit derived from realpolitik.

And all this while Moscow has not even counterpunched. And that could be quite lethal – targeting EU exporters to Russia and even energy supplies from Russia. Then the EU will retaliate. And Russia will counter-counterpunch. That’s exactly what Washington wants: a trade/economic war ravaging and splitting up Eurasia.

On the political front, Ukraine and EU had initially agreed to “postpone the EU Association Agreement until the end of 2016.” You can’t make this stuff up; that’s exactly what Yanukovich did last November, as he knew Kiev could not allow itself to lose most of its certified trading with Russia in favor of a vague “free trade” with the EU. This agreement to “postpone” the agreement was in fact overseen by astonishing mediocrity and outgoing European Commission (EC) President Jose Manuel Barroso.

But then the European Parliament, during a plenary session in Strasbourg, hurried up to ratify Ukraine’s Association Agreement as President Petro Poroshenko simultaneously submitted it to the Ukrainian Parliament. This does not mean the agreement goes immediately into effect. Economic “integration” with the EU – a euphemism for a one-way invasion of Ukraine by EU products - will start only in January 2016. And there’s no way a crisis-hit EU will incorporate Ukraine anytime soon – or ever.

On Thursday, Poroshenko meets his master, US President Barack Obama, and addresses a joint session of the US Congress. Expect “evil empire” rhetoric to reach interstellar levels.

But it’s on Saturday in Berlin that the real thing starts unfolding; energy negotiations between Russia, the EU and Ukraine. Needless to say, Moscow holds all the key cards.

Washington’s humongous debt is reaching almost $20 trillion (NOTE: This is claimed as manipulated by Washington- a Princeton U study claimed the proper amount is $220 trilion) – and counting. With a monster crisis approaching like a tsunami from hell, no wonder Washington had to resort to the perfect diversionary tactic; the return of the “evil empire.” It’s the Marvel Comics school of politics all over again.

Russia has a huge surplus of foreign capital - and is able to weather the storm. Germany – the EU’s top economy – on the other hand, is already suffering. Growth is already at a negative 0.2%. This is the way the hysterical sanction wind is blowing – further derailing EU economies. And no one is betting the EU will have the balls to stand up to Washington. Not in vassal-infested Brussels.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-17/guest-post-us-eu-russia-sanctions-puzzle

[Pagan]

About ''donetsk people rep'' and ''luhansk people rep'' - some photos on which are dead and tortured Ukrainian soldiers that were simply defending their land. The world is silent, while Russia commits these deadly crimes. https://www.facebook.com/parasuk.volodymyr/posts/1473524259590195

[Pagan]

"Seeing that Yanukovych lacked the brutality that only a KGB education can instil in a person, Putin sent Russian paratroopers to Kyiv, who, dressed in Ukrainian police uniforms, killed dozens of demonstrators on Maidan in Kyiv. Unluckily for Putin, his paratroopers documented their stay in Kyiv with photos they posted to their social network profiles, which allowed Ukrainian victims to identify their torturers. But such embarrassing revelations didn’t bother Putin, who awarded the paratroopers medals for their bloody service in Kyiv."

The 50 crimes of Vladimir Vladimirovich against Ukraine



http://euromaidanpress.com/2014/09/17/the-50-crimes-of-vladimir-vladimirovich-against-ukraine/

[Balthazar]

Luhansk's electric power station went offline after explosion.
http://krasnodon.biz/na-luganskojj-tehs-progremel-vzryv-oblast-ostalas-bez-ehlektrichestva/

This station generated almost 98% of electric power used by region.

P.S. According to ukrainians, Krasnodon started receiving the electric power from Russia. Luhansk line isn't completed yet.

[Paya]

Ukrainian neonazis marching in Lviv:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9DP_cMamcg

[chopstick]

Luhansk's electric power station went offline after explosion.
http://krasnodon.biz/na-luganskojj-tehs-progremel-vzryv-oblast-ostalas-bez-ehlektrichestva/

This station generated almost 98% of electric power used by region.

P.S. According to ukrainians, Krasnodon started receiving the electric power from Russia. Luhansk line isn't completed yet.

The Lugansk power station was blown up by aidar battalion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yV9jPsxazsg

They threatened they would blow it up if offensive action was taken by the NAF towards some of their positions.

Well they made good on their threat and now over 1 million people are left without power, including dozens of miners who were underground at the time and now are unable to return to the surface.

Fascist junta scum.

[Rassah]

http://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/09/16/predictions-the-real-reasons-for-wests-anti-russian-sanctions/

Many are scratching their heads why these non-sensical sanctions are being implemented now. Instead of encouraging the peace process in Ukraine, they are bound to discourage it.

How is sanctioning Russia going to discourage peace in Ukraine? Russia is not Ukraine!

It is also being pointed out that the Kiev regime is using the ceasefire in order to regroup, build-up defenses in strategic points, and to bring fresh troops in order to restart the offensive against Donetsk and Lugansk this fall.

But Russia and Novorussia were the ones who asked for it? And it has been pointed out that Russia is using the ceasefire to bring in more military support to the Donetsk and Lugansk junta too.

Meanwhile, NATO is conducting joint NATO-Kiev exercises in western (pro-ukronazi) Ukraine. These have already been dubbed a “provocation.” However, I think the reason is deeper: these exercises are done to camouflage the transfer to Kiev of the Western military technology, munitions, specialists and money.

The actual reason is this:

http://www.focus-fen.net/news/2014/09/18/348881/putin-russian-army-may-enter-poland-latvia-lithuania-estonia-and-romania-in-few-days.html

Russian President Vladimir Putin said that in a couple of days he might commission the Russian troops not only in Ukraine but also in Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia and Romania, Ukrainian news edition Liga reported, citing a publication of German newspaper Süddeutsche Zeitung.

[Rassah]

Since when has the Azov battalion become an "independent" group? It is funded and sponsored by the 3rd richest man in Ukraine (the oligarch Igor Kolomoysky). Azov commanders take their orders directly from Kolomoysky, who is a close associate of Poroshenko. And yes.. they have neo-Nazis from all around the world, especially from countries such as Belgium and Sweden.

Wait wait wait. So you are telling me that a hardcore Jewish guy who is very pro-Israel.... is funding neo-Nazis? Who told you this, and why would you believe it?

[Rassah]

This is just another part of Russia's hybrid war tactics. Criminals are not soldiers, they do not wear Russian uniforms, but they can still attack the 'enemy' country with their criminal behaviour. It makes great propaganda because Russian media liars can cry wolf that the "Ukrainian junta is oppressing ethnic Russians! Innocent Russian civilians are being targeted for no reason! Ukrainian nationalism and Nazism is getting worse!"

What if the criminals get extradited to Russia? Nothing.

Then they will cry "Ukraine is doing ethnic cleansing against Russians!"

Hmm... I see there's a full-out war going on here...

I guess the truce is observed here just as well as by the Kiev coup-government's ground troops in Ukraine...

AND the Donetsk and Lugansk junta troops in Eastern Ukraine. You HAVE heard that they are firing on Ukrainian troops still, too, right?

As for my daddy? Certainly not the US.   I've been steadily moving all of my assets that were US dollar-denominated bonds to Northern Europe, Russia and BTC. Nothing patriotic or personal, just business, looking at the the way the events are playing out.

Oh, come on! Put your money where your mouth is! Move them into rubles and Gazprom  

If you want peace, prepare for war.

So Orwellian of you! (Book 1984)

Russia know it better than most, being the target of countless invasions of varying degree of success, form and scale.

Let's see, there was Napoleon, the Crimean War invasion, WW1 Germany, WW2 Germany... I think I counted your countless invasions. Looks like four.

How about the countless invasions of other places by Russia? 1792 invasion of Poland, 1809 invasion of Sweden, 1808 invasion of Swedish Finland, 1809 invasion of Sweden, 1853 invasion of Moldavia and Wallachia, 1855 invasion of Ottoman Turkey, 1877 invasion of Ottoman Bulgaria, 1878 invasion of Ottoman Turkey, 1914 invasion of Germany, 1914 invasion of Galicia, 1919 invasion of Ukraine, 1920 invasion of Poland, 1939 invasion of Manchuria, 1939 invasion of Poland, 1939 invasion of Estonia, 1939 invasion of Latvia, 1939 invasion of Lithuania, 1939 invasion of Finland, 1944 invasion of Romania,1944 invasion of Albania, 1944 invasion of Yugoslavia, 1944 invasion of Bulgaria, 1945 invasion of Slovakia, 1945 invasion of Croatia, 1956 invasion of Hungary, 1968 invasion of Czechoslovakia, 1979 invasion of Afghanistan, 2008 invasion of Georgia, 2014 invasion of Crimea, and these are just the unilateral invasions, where Russia invaded by itself without any allies, and doesn't even count Russia's secret invasions if importing thugs and weapons to destabilize countries like it did in Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Belarus, Spain, China, Korea, Vietnam, Zimbabwe, Cuba, Mozambique, Angola, Somalia, Egypt, Syria, Salvador, Nicaragua, Chile, Dominique, Nicaragua, and more recently Chechnya and Eastern Ukraine.

A bit more difficult to count that second list, huh? But that's typical Russian for you: take the bad thing that your country has done, and claim that it was actually done to your country by others.

[Rassah]

For those still doubting there are nazis in ukraine, the german television surely spotted them..

No one is doubting there are nazis in Ukraine. There are nazis in practically every part of the world. What people are doubting is that there are nazis in control of Ukrainian government, which are claims made exclusively by Russia, and why Russia is so concerned about nazis in Ukraine when Russia has more nazis than any other country in the world.

[Rassah]

http://euromaidanpress.com/2014/09/17/the-50-crimes-of-vladimir-vladimirovich-against-ukraine/

And just in case anyone has forgotten already:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2014/05/05/putins-human-rights-council-accidentally-posts-real-crimean-election-results-only-15-voted-for-annexation/

Official Kremlin results: 97 percent of polled voters for annexation, turnout 83 percent, and 82 percent of total Crimean population voting in favor.

President’s Human Rights Council mid-point estimate: 55 percent of polled voters for annexation, turnout 40 percent, 22.5 percent of total Crimean population voting in favor.

[Rassah]

Luhansk's electric power station went offline after explosion.
http://krasnodon.biz/na-luganskojj-tehs-progremel-vzryv-oblast-ostalas-bez-ehlektrichestva/

This station generated almost 98% of electric power used by region.

P.S. According to ukrainians, Krasnodon started receiving the electric power from Russia. Luhansk line isn't completed yet.

Ukrainians following the "Scorched Earth" policy practiced by Russians during Napoleon invasion?

[blablahblah]

Russia know it better than most, being the target of countless invasions of varying degree of success, form and scale.

Let's see, there was Napoleon, the Crimean War invasion, WW1 Germany, WW2 Germany... I think I counted your countless invasions. Looks like four.

How about the countless invasions of other places by Russia? 1792 invasion of Poland, 1809 invasion of Sweden, 1808 invasion of Swedish Finland, 1809 invasion of Sweden, 1853 invasion of Moldavia and Wallachia, 1855 invasion of Ottoman Turkey, 1877 invasion of Ottoman Bulgaria, 1878 invasion of Ottoman Turkey, 1914 invasion of Germany, 1914 invasion of Galicia, 1919 invasion of Ukraine, 1920 invasion of Poland, 1939 invasion of Manchuria, 1939 invasion of Poland, 1939 invasion of Estonia, 1939 invasion of Latvia, 1939 invasion of Lithuania, 1939 invasion of Finland, 1944 invasion of Romania,1944 invasion of Albania, 1944 invasion of Yugoslavia, 1944 invasion of Bulgaria, 1945 invasion of Slovakia, 1945 invasion of Croatia, 1956 invasion of Hungary, 1968 invasion of Czechoslovakia, 1979 invasion of Afghanistan, 2008 invasion of Georgia, 2014 invasion of Crimea, and these are just the unilateral invasions, where Russia invaded by itself without any allies, and doesn't even count Russia's secret invasions if importing thugs and weapons to destabilize countries like it did in Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Belarus, Spain, China, Korea, Vietnam, Zimbabwe, Cuba, Mozambique, Angola, Somalia, Egypt, Syria, Salvador, Nicaragua, Chile, Dominique, Nicaragua, and more recently Chechnya and Eastern Ukraine.

A bit more difficult to count that second list, huh? But that's typical Russian for you: take the bad thing that your country has done, and claim that it was actually done to your country by others.

You forget that many of those atrocities were committed by the USSR junta, Russia's evil oppressor. First, they defeated Russia. Then, with Russia under zombie-control, they defeated all of the other future member states. I'm not sure how the USSR managed to carry out such a sophisticated attack (I wanted to call it a coup d'etat, but apparently there was a lot of bloodshed). My theory is that the Russian people just didn't care -- they were paralysed by apathy, rendering them helpless.

[Paya]

Let's see, there was Napoleon, the Crimean War invasion, WW1 Germany, WW2 Germany... I think I counted your countless invasions. Looks like four.

You forgot Mongol invasion (XIII century), Polish, Lithuanian and Swedish invasions (XVI-XVII century). Let's count again: that's eight major invasions. There aren't many nations with history so tough and bloody as Russian.

Also, in your latter list most of the alleged Russian invasions were either: part of wars that weren't exclusively initiated or solely carried out by Russia, response to previous aggression, or in worst case weren't invasions at all - for example, telling that Russia (you mean: USSR?) invaded Yugoslavia in 1944 while it was occupied and tormented by Nazi Germany is a blatant lie. It was a joint effort between the 3rd Ukrainian Front of the Soviet Red Army and Yugoslav partisans, which resulted in liberation. I am not sure is it your relatively poor knowledge showing, or you're just being deliberately malicious.