Do you trust the co-vid19 vaccine ?

[Gyfts]

For those who think that mRNA covid vaccines were developed too quickly - please have a look at this video.

Although the video is old, it is well made and explains that the technology is not new and how mRNA vaccines work.

Why It Actually Took 50 Years to Make COVID mRNA Vaccines - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPeeCyJReZw&ab_channel=SciShow

well.. it is actually around 100 years that food coloring is used in foods so..yeah keep eating them, how long are humans eating it? around a 100 years.

that mRNA..how long have we injecting it to humans? 50 years? lol..

if i am staying away from food coloring that is FDA approved and being eaten by humans, imagine how much i would stay away from mRNA vaccine?

remember you cannot unvaxx yourself

Well, if you're afraid of food coloring, and not the other process garbage they put in food these days, I'd get why you'd be afraid of a vaccine. But begs the question...you're afraid of food coloring why, exactly?

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[arielbit]

For those who think that mRNA covid vaccines were developed too quickly - please have a look at this video.

Although the video is old, it is well made and explains that the technology is not new and how mRNA vaccines work.

Why It Actually Took 50 Years to Make COVID mRNA Vaccines - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPeeCyJReZw&ab_channel=SciShow

well.. it is actually around 100 years that food coloring is used in foods so..yeah keep eating them, how long are humans eating it? around a 100 years.

that mRNA..how long have we injecting it to humans? 50 years? lol..

if i am staying away from food coloring that is FDA approved and being eaten by humans, imagine how much i would stay away from mRNA vaccine?

remember you cannot unvaxx yourself

Well, if you're afraid of food coloring, and not the other process garbage they put in food these days, I'd get why you'd be afraid of a vaccine. But begs the question...you're afraid of food coloring why, exactly?

staying away is not 100% being afraid...more like being on the safe side (although you can find bad things about food coloring out there).

i did not say that i'm good with the other garbage in the foods, i just pointed out one thing (food coloring) to make an analogy or point as simple as possible.

[tvbcof]

The above is a perfect example of misinformation that is not even supported by anything.

- relatively few people of any stripe are dying, or being labeled as dying any more.
Scarry numbers of people die every day. You can check by date and region using the sources below.
Sources:
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/ (Johns Hopkins University)
https://covid19.who.int/ (WHO Coronavirus (COVID-19) Dashboard)

These are sources who were themselves major player in running the scamdemic psy-op itself.  Not credible.

For the most part they probably are producing numbers of actual people who actually died, and most of the dead may have had SARS-cov-2 viral sequences in them.  Trouble is, most of the deceased had 'comorbitities' which were themselves fatal with or without a SARS-cov-2 infection, and most people have had a SARS-cov-2 infection, or breathed some of the broken nucleotide in and hence will come up hot on a PCR test if the cycle threshold is cranked up enough.

Interesting to note that if you have not been 'vaccinated' you are a 'covid case' if PCR shows a trace of nucleotide at 40+ cycles.  If you have been 'vaccinated' then you are only considered a case if you come up hot at like 25 cycles.  This is obvious deception meant to give numbers which pretend to show that the jab is 'working'.

If there is any sign of gaming 'covid deaths', and there are plenty, then I must assume that it is a common occurrence.  The total death rate world-wide is so low that it could easily be the case that ALL of the deaths are gamed in the above manner, and at any point in the plandemic.

- 'vaccinated' are getting 'covid' at the same rate as people who are not 'vaccinated' and do not have natural immunity.
Vaccinated people don't get sick nor die. Virtually all new Covid deaths and hospitalizations are among unvaccinated people.
Sources:
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/07/21/1018872469/worried-about-breakthrough-covid-cases-heres-what-to-know
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/vaccinated-people-singapore-make-up-three-quarters-recent-covid-19-cases-2021-07-23/
https://scdhec.gov/news-releases/dhec-analysis-more-90-percent-covid-19-cases-deaths-june-were-among-unvaccinated
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/07/01/995-of-people-killed-by-covid-in-last-6-months-were-unvaccinated-data-suggests/?sh=476c3653493d

The above sources all have means, motive, and opportunity to participate in the scamdemic and have demonstrated a great deal of enthusiasm for doing so.  Not credible.

Content producers who provide links to their work tend to be much more reliable in providing useful and credible information:

https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/only-unvaccinated-dying-fabrication-sage-advisor-says-cloth-masks-dont-protect-you-from-covid/

https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/psaki-spreads-medical-misinfo-cdc-adds-then-removes-6000-vaers-death-reports-fauci-caught-lying/

- people who had a SARS-cov-2 infection in the last year and a half (natural immunity) are almost never getting any 'variant' again.
If they don't die or ruin their internal organs by the sickness.

SAR-cov-2 is a lab created thing so it is what it is.  Cannot do a lot about it.  It's less likely to cause harm than the gene therapy jabs created by the same people mainly because an indiscriminate spreading is harder for insiders to avoid.  It's easy for insiders to avoid the jab for them and their families.

As for permanant damage, the 'adverse reactions' to the jab seem to often be neurological (and stunningly acute in a lot of cases), and neural tissues are generally less able to recover than most others.  Heart inflammation is another one, and is of some concern.  In the tiny rural community I grew up in, at least two of my close associates need heart transplants in their 40's.  It is supposed that an unusual virus went around decades earlier.  I didn't think to much about it until much later in life when I discovered how common it was for biological weapons development efforts to be doing testing on the domestic populations.  Also after putting some research into things, how vastly more useful are 'non-lethal' biological weapons which have a long term influence on a population.

- a large pool of people seem to be immune from SARS-cov-2 or any so far seen 'variant' of it.  Period.  Probably many/most people who had a cornavirus common cold in the last number of years.
The numbers on this are inconsistent and are from iffy sources. Even so, this doesn't negate anything about the need to vaccinate the population.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01442-9

[mindrust]

I'm sure the vaccine isn't hiding anything crazy that is going to magnetize people or any other said nonsense.  I don't believe people do things maliciously just to be evil for the most part.  I'm more concerned about the president it sets going forward.  We went from locking down so hospitals wouldn't be overwhelmed to wanting people to get special passports to walk around outside.  Not to mention we're probably going to create superbugs that really will kill people and will get around vaccinations through mutations or some other way.

In short...  I'm not worried about the vaccine and I'm sure it can be trusted to do what it says it does.  I am terrified my government will hold me prisoner if I refuse to receive a vaccine.  I'm also worried all these people getting vaccinated are going to create a superbug that might kill me someday.  The shot's contents and effects though, that's not a big concern for me.

When you believe that experimental fluid is a "vaccine" the rest of your logic can't stand anymore. It is a gene therapy, not a vaccine. There is a vaccine which is being made in China but then the Chinese are not the most trusted people out there when it comes to work ethics neither.

[franky1]

I'm sure the vaccine isn't hiding anything crazy that is going to magnetize people or any other said nonsense.  I don't believe people do things maliciously just to be evil for the most part.  I'm more concerned about the president it sets going forward.  We went from locking down so hospitals wouldn't be overwhelmed to wanting people to get special passports to walk around outside.  Not to mention we're probably going to create superbugs that really will kill people and will get around vaccinations through mutations or some other way.

In short...  I'm not worried about the vaccine and I'm sure it can be trusted to do what it says it does.  I am terrified my government will hold me prisoner if I refuse to receive a vaccine.  I'm also worried all these people getting vaccinated are going to create a superbug that might kill me someday.  The shot's contents and effects though, that's not a big concern for me.

When you believe that experimental fluid is a "vaccine" the rest of your logic can't stand anymore. It is a gene therapy, not a vaccine. There is a vaccine which is being made in China but then the Chinese are not the most trusted people out there when it comes to work ethics neither.

mRNA does not go to the nucleus to edit genes(dNA)
it goes to the ribsome to create proteins
there is not replication factor and no gene editing occuring.

to be gene therapy it needs to contain enough code to produce another gene
.. mRNA does not do that

if you cannot understand the difference. then please do not be in the kitchen with a bunch of ingredients being told to make a omlette or a pizza. you wont know the difference

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as to ognasty
magnets-debunked. just stop licking coins before sticking them on your arm. its the moisture not magnets
passports to walk around - debunked. open your door and go for a walk.

superbug mutations. well unvaccinated people cause more strains more often so if anyone is going to cause superbugs. its mass UNvaccinated populations spreading viruses faster
in 2020(pre vaccine) there were 4 note worthy mutated strains(alpha beta gamma delta)
december 2019(alpha)-october2020 delta (4 strains in 10 months)

in from october 2020-now(10months) thanks to vaccines. we are still only observing 1 strain of significance. delta
yep since vaccines there has been no new strain of significance
no Epsilon no Zeta no Eta no Theta
yep we had 4(ABGD) pre vaccine but none post vaccine

[Ultegra134]

I'm sure the vaccine isn't hiding anything crazy that is going to magnetize people or any other said nonsense.  I don't believe people do things maliciously just to be evil for the most part.  I'm more concerned about the president it sets going forward.  We went from locking down so hospitals wouldn't be overwhelmed to wanting people to get special passports to walk around outside.  Not to mention we're probably going to create superbugs that really will kill people and will get around vaccinations through mutations or some other way.

In short...  I'm not worried about the vaccine and I'm sure it can be trusted to do what it says it does.  I am terrified my government will hold me prisoner if I refuse to receive a vaccine.  I'm also worried all these people getting vaccinated are going to create a superbug that might kill me someday.  The shot's contents and effects though, that's not a big concern for me.

When you believe that experimental fluid is a "vaccine" the rest of your logic can't stand anymore. It is a gene therapy, not a vaccine. There is a vaccine which is being made in China but then the Chinese are not the most trusted people out there when it comes to work ethics neither.

mRNA vaccines simply provide the instructions to create antibodies, it has nothing to do with gene therapy, it does not alter DNA, and I can't understand why there are people still believing this nonsense. It has been proven by many scientists that it has nothing to do with altering your DNA, nor it being gene therapy.

I've had both doses of the Pfizer vaccine, only had mild side effects after the second dose, I trust science and can also apprehend how they work.

[tvbcof]

mRNA vaccines simply provide the instructions to create antibodies,
<rest of standard talking point follows, almost verbatim, below...>

That is gene therapy!

it has nothing to do with gene therapy, it does not alter DNA, and I can't understand why there are people still believing this nonsense. It has been proven by many scientists that it has nothing to do with altering your DNA, nor it being gene therapy.

 "But what ARE electrolytes?  Do you even know?!?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKyoSS3bwjA

[Natsuu]

mRNA vaccines simply provide the instructions to create antibodies,
<rest of standard talking point follows, almost verbatim, below...>

That is gene therapy!

it has nothing to do with gene therapy, it does not alter DNA, and I can't understand why there are people still believing this nonsense. It has been proven by many scientists that it has nothing to do with altering your DNA, nor it being gene therapy.

 "But what ARE electrolytes?  Do you even know?!?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKyoSS3bwjA

Gene therapy is different from how the vaccine works. Though by first looks, it can really be confusing as GENE THERAPY works with the cells and the dna behind it the same way how the vaccine works, but the thing is that Gene therapy is used to correct defective genes in order to cure a disease or help your body better fight disease. while the vaccine works as just introducing the virus in the cells (healthy cells that is clearly not abnormal) for the body to fully recognize the virus as it enters.

[Ultegra134]

mRNA vaccines simply provide the instructions to create antibodies,
<rest of standard talking point follows, almost verbatim, below...>

That is gene therapy!

it has nothing to do with gene therapy, it does not alter DNA, and I can't understand why there are people still believing this nonsense. It has been proven by many scientists that it has nothing to do with altering your DNA, nor it being gene therapy.

 "But what ARE electrolytes?  Do you even know?!?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKyoSS3bwjA

I don't think you have enough scientific knowledge to understand how vaccines work, it's no use to explain to you because of your nature, being an anti-vaxxer. You're making bold claims against vaccines, without having anything to support your argument. You're free to do whatever you want, don't try acting like you know everything, you're clearly against scientific evidence of vaccines working and being safe to use.

[arielbit]

before you all got bamboozled by these vaccine ridden idiots who act like scientist around here, just look at the definition of "science" so you all get immunized from the words like "does not believe in science" and "scientific evidence"

here..

noun: science

    the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.

just tell the vaxxed chicken shit idiots here that they are the subject of observation and experiment. and you believe in science so you are waiting for data and results for short term, midterm, long term and generational.

 

[tvbcof]

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Gene therapy is different from how the vaccine works. Though by first looks, it can really be confusing as GENE THERAPY works with the cells and the dna behind it the same way how the vaccine works, but the thing is that Gene therapy is used to correct defective genes in order to cure a disease or help your body better fight disease. while the vaccine works as just introducing the virus in the cells (healthy cells that is clearly not abnormal) for the body to fully recognize the virus as it enters.

Edit:  And:

I don't think you have enough scientific knowledge to understand how vaccines work, it's no use to explain to you because of your nature, being an anti-vaxxer. You're making bold claims against vaccines, without having anything to support your argument. You're free to do whatever you want, don't try acting like you know everything, you're clearly against scientific evidence of vaccines working and being safe to use.

This is super simple:

 - 'gene therapy' is the art of using genes to program cells to synthesize proteins.  (Note that it does not matter if the gene is on RNA or DNA, and it doesn't matter if there is an insertion into the chromosomal DNA or not.)

 - If the proteins synthesized from 'information transferred' by genes to the cellular machinery are recognized as antigens by the hosts immune system, the gene therapy can function as a 'vaccine' in the standard sense of the word.

I choose to refer to the stuff as 'gene therapy' rather than 'vaccine' for two main reasons:

  1) it is 'gene therapy', and until the marketing machine took over, the makers proudly advertised this fact.  Some marketing study apparently found that calling them that could spook the sheeple so they want full denial mode which is actually somewhat amusing to watch in real-time.

  2)  they don't seem to be 'vaccines' insofar as they don't provide 'immunity'.  That is to say, a dosed person can still acquire the infection, allow the virus to re-produce within their bodies, and can still spread the infection to others.  The whole discussion of 'herd immunity' is off the table when a 'vaccine' allows this.  Marketing team to the rescue again because they deduced that the vast majority of the peeps are far to stupid to understand this fairly obvious reality.

[Natsuu]

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Gene therapy is different from how the vaccine works. Though by first looks, it can really be confusing as GENE THERAPY works with the cells and the dna behind it the same way how the vaccine works, but the thing is that Gene therapy is used to correct defective genes in order to cure a disease or help your body better fight disease. while the vaccine works as just introducing the virus in the cells (healthy cells that is clearly not abnormal) for the body to fully recognize the virus as it enters.

Edit:  And:

I don't think you have enough scientific knowledge to understand how vaccines work, it's no use to explain to you because of your nature, being an anti-vaxxer. You're making bold claims against vaccines, without having anything to support your argument. You're free to do whatever you want, don't try acting like you know everything, you're clearly against scientific evidence of vaccines working and being safe to use.

This is super simple:

 - 'gene therapy' is the art of using genes to program cells to synthesize proteins.  (Note that it does not matter if the gene is on RNA or DNA, and it doesn't matter if there is an insertion into the chromosomal DNA or not.)

 - If the proteins synthesized from 'information transferred' by genes to the cellular machinery are recognized as antigens by the hosts immune system, the gene therapy can function as a 'vaccine' in the standard sense of the word.

I choose to refer to the stuff as 'gene therapy' rather than 'vaccine' for two main reasons:

  1) it is 'gene therapy', and until the marketing machine took over, the makers proudly advertised this fact.  Some marketing study apparently found that calling them that could spook the sheeple so they want full denial mode which is actually somewhat amusing to watch in real-time.

  2)  they don't seem to be 'vaccines' insofar as they don't provide 'immunity'.  That is to say, a dosed person can still acquire the infection, allow the virus to re-produce within their bodies, and can still spread the infection to others.  The whole discussion of 'herd immunity' is off the table when a 'vaccine' allows this.  Marketing team to the rescue again because they deduced that the vast majority of the peeps are far to stupid to understand this fairly obvious reality.

As I've said, it is closely related but not that similar to how that works.

What vaccines do is INTRODUCE the virus as a FOREIGN BODY that may harm the body, thus having the body to recognize the virus for future and fight it as a deadly foreign body, while on the other hand, GENE THERAPY is the alteration/repair/correction of a damaged sequence in the dna inside the cells.

[hornetsnest]

Vaccines are PHENOMENALLY profitable. Their rate of return is 20-1 in some cases and this "virus" was the pretext for a vaxx regime enforced by corrupt public servants on behalf of their paymasters. They have their sights fully set on a system that will ensure uptake through corrupt political coercion.

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[tvbcof]

before you all got bamboozled by these vaccine ridden idiots who act like scientist around here, just look at the definition of "science" so you all get immunized from the words like "does not believe in science" and "scientific evidence"

here..

noun: science

    the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.

just tell the vaxxed chicken shit idiots here that they are the subject of observation and experiment. and you believe in science so you are waiting for data and results for short term, midterm, long term and generational.

I have to admit that from a scientific perspective I myself will be fairly interested in how this experiment progresses.

Up 'till now it's all been just science fiction (and some of it VERY close to what actualized.)  I remember one movie I watched on late night a long time ago about some medicine which was suppose to make people live longer, and most people gobbled it down.  The pill poppers eventually mutated into hideous trolls (of course) that lived primitive and brutal lives in the disintegrating cities.  A few people had opted to go the 'natural route' and were normal.  They had bases from whence they went out on missions trying to rescue the other natural people who also avoided the medication but were trapped among the troll people and subject to increasing levels of abuse.  I forgot the name of the movie, and I might even have some of the details wrong.

I never watched much TV or movies or read much fiction.  As a consequence, when I did see or read a sci-fi thriller it tended to stick with me more.  One of the giant tech companies I worked for in Si Valley had a theater on campus, or part ownership or something, and practically force-marched us to watch the latest sci-fi/tech movie several times per month.  Even then I would tend to duck out and go do some real work, or just go home and research stuff I was actually interested in.

[Saidasun]

Vaccines are PHENOMENALLY profitable. Their rate of return is 20-1 in some cases and this "virus" was the pretext for a vaxx regime enforced by corrupt public servants on behalf of their paymasters. They have their sights fully set on a system that will ensure uptake through corrupt political coercion.

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Insurances cover the Covid vaccine and in some other countries they are offering the vaccine for free. They might be profitable for the companies that are offering them but there are ways to get it for free unless you are not insured.

[arielbit]

before you all got bamboozled by these vaccine ridden idiots who act like scientist around here, just look at the definition of "science" so you all get immunized from the words like "does not believe in science" and "scientific evidence"

here..

noun: science

    the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.

just tell the vaxxed chicken shit idiots here that they are the subject of observation and experiment. and you believe in science so you are waiting for data and results for short term, midterm, long term and generational.

I have to admit that from a scientific perspective I myself will be fairly interested in how this experiment progresses.

Up 'till now it's all been just science fiction (and some of it VERY close to what actualized.)  I remember one movie I watched on late night a long time ago about some medicine which was suppose to make people live longer, and most people gobbled it down.  The pill poppers eventually mutated into hideous trolls (of course) that lived primitive and brutal lives in the disintegrating cities.  A few people had opted to go the 'natural route' and were normal.  They had bases from whence they went out on missions trying to rescue the other natural people who also avoided the medication but were trapped among the troll people and subject to increasing levels of abuse.  I forgot the name of the movie, and I might even have some of the details wrong.

I never watched much TV or movies or read much fiction.  As a consequence, when I did see or read a sci-fi thriller it tended to stick with me more.  One of the giant tech companies I worked for in Si Valley had a theater on campus, or part ownership or something, and practically force-marched us to watch the latest sci-fi/tech movie several times per month.  Even then I would tend to duck out and go do some real work, or just go home and research stuff I was actually interested in.

Hideous trolls you say?...they are already here in this forum LOL.

Some are involved in the propaganda machine, some are chickens who just repeat what they saw and heard and some are just mentally deranged chicken shits who realized they made a mistake taking the jab and finding a release on us who did not participate the experiment.. or finding a justification for their mistake.. or getting others to meet the same fate they brought on themselves.

[franky1]

tvbcof
YOU know its about protein and not DNA altering

but you want to fluff you feathers and flap your wings around with "gene therapy" to then misguide people down a rabbit hole of assumptions that its about DNA altering

just stop your quaking around like a legless duck going in circles.
mRNA is protein making not DNA altering

END OF
move on

[franky1]

Vaccines are PHENOMENALLY profitable. Their rate of return is 20-1 in some cases and this "virus" was the pretext for a vaxx regime enforced by corrupt public servants on behalf of their paymasters. They have their sights fully set on a system that will ensure uptake through corrupt political coercion.

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Insurances cover the Covid vaccine and in some other countries they are offering the vaccine for free. They might be profitable for the companies that are offering them but there are ways to get it for free unless you are not insured.

actually its "at cost"
the only reason an american vaccine costs more in europe and an european vaccine costs more in america.. is delivery logistics.

the funds come from government. so while people are not paying it out of pocket as a service charge or an out-of -insurance premium. . its being paid for by quantitative easing money printing. so yea no cost at all not even from taxes.

for america. the $3 a dose for 150mill people twice so far is under $1bil.. lets round it to $1bil
out of a national GDP of say $7000bilion. now being $7001b due to QE
let it become that its caused

a $70 grocery bill to now be $70.01
a $7000 short term lease to be $7001
a $700,000 apartment purchase to be $700,100

but overall. no tax rise no out of pocket expense just to get the vaccine
no insurance headaches

[franky1]

 2)  they don't seem to be 'vaccines' insofar as they don't provide 'immunity'.  That is to say, a dosed person can still acquire the infection, allow the virus to re-produce within their bodies, and can still spread the infection to others.  The whole discussion of 'herd immunity' is off the table when a 'vaccine' allows this.  Marketing team to the rescue again because they deduced that the vast majority of the peeps are far to stupid to understand this fairly obvious reality.

vaccines come from a term involving putting a pathogen inside for the body to attack.
it originates from infecting people with a very small dose of the virus.

it is not plasma therapy, the act of putting immune cells into another person without those immune cells

vaccines are not plasma
plasma are not vaccines

[Tash]

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Hideous trolls you say?...they are already here in this forum LOL.

Some are involved in the propaganda machine, some are chickens who just repeat what they saw and heard and some are just mentally deranged chicken shits who realized they made a mistake taking the jab and finding a release on us who did not participate the experiment.. or finding a justification for their mistake.. or getting others to meet the same fate they brought on themselves.

Like this loser