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Apparently, the RF Chief Psychos think that it is a great idea to make their young unprepared and sometime enslaved soldiers sleep on top of the gun-shells, just in case someone tries to steal them I guess.
Any RF soldier must know how little they care about them dying - there is a lot of people in the RF that are spendable to them.
It's kinda surprising that they admitted significant casualties ("Moskva" sailors say hi from their new submarine assignments). Aside from the convulsively absurd revenge propaganda (we destroyed the evil HIMARS! and killed 100500 Ukrainians!), Russian MOD also figured out who's responsible for the Makiivka attack... it's the soldiers themselves because they used cell phones and Ukrainians triangulated them. The relatives of the deceased must be thrilled with these findings. As if cramming so many people, vehicles, and ammunition into one building wouldn't be noticeable from any drone or satellite... but they can't possibly blame their glorious generals of being so negligent after months of Ukrainian strikes on ammunition depots etc, can they. Oh, and some deluded Russian "senator" seems to imply that this attack is a NATO-supported crime against Russian citizens. If even a "senator" is not aware that they're at war, then what can we expect from ordinary consumers of Kremlin fairy tales like Veleor.
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The Bahkmut meat grinder seems to be one of the most unethical hell holes of the modern day. Just send em' in there to hold the lines.
I was a little mixed on war strategy earlier as there was some give and take on both sides, but it's really felt like the past 2-3 months or so Russia has been outplaying Ukraine / the west. Just my opinion. They made some smart retreats from some areas and doubled down on areas to go hard which seems to be having a lot of numbers go their way in a war of attrition.
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Aside from the convulsively absurd revenge propaganda (we destroyed the evil HIMARS! and killed 100500 Ukrainians!), Russian MOD also figured out who's responsible for the Makiivka attack... it's the soldiers themselves because they used cell phones and Ukrainians triangulated them. The relatives of the deceased must be thrilled with these findings. As if cramming so many people, vehicles, and ammunition into one building wouldn't be noticeable from any drone or satellite... but they can't possibly blame their glorious generals of being so negligent after months of Ukrainian strikes on ammunition depots etc, can they. Blaming troops for using phones isn't most stupid thing that came from Russia. It's not first time when Russians revealed their positions by uploading photos to Instagram or VK. But yeah, at least 400-600 troops in school, with vehicles and ammunition - it's impossible to hide such thing. The Bahkmut meat grinder seems to be one of the most unethical hell holes of the modern day. Just send em' in there to hold the lines.
I was a little mixed on war strategy earlier as there was some give and take on both sides, but it's really felt like the past 2-3 months or so Russia has been outplaying Ukraine / the west. Just my opinion. They made some smart retreats from some areas and doubled down on areas to go hard which seems to be having a lot of numbers go their way in a war of attrition.
I'm not sure from where you're getting information, but from things which I see, Russia have huge loses in Bakhmut direction. They send there Wagner troops mostly. They don't value lifes of their troops much, but it seems that life of Wagner troops is worth below zero. I just remind that Wagner is taking criminals from prisons to fight in Ukraine. Ukraine loses is also significant there, that's inevitavble unfortunately.
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Apparently, the RF Chief Psychos think that it is a great idea to make their young unprepared and sometime enslaved soldiers sleep on top of the gun-shells, just in case someone tries to steal them I guess.
Any RF soldier must know how little they care about them dying - there is a lot of people in the RF that are spendable to them.
It's kinda surprising that they admitted significant casualties ("Moskva" sailors say hi from their new submarine assignments). Aside from the convulsively absurd revenge propaganda (we destroyed the evil HIMARS! and killed 100500 Ukrainians!), Russian MOD also figured out who's responsible for the Makiivka attack... it's the soldiers themselves because they used cell phones and Ukrainians triangulated them. The relatives of the deceased must be thrilled with these findings. As if cramming so many people, vehicles, and ammunition into one building wouldn't be noticeable from any drone or satellite... but they can't possibly blame their glorious generals of being so negligent after months of Ukrainian strikes on ammunition depots etc, can they. Oh, and some deluded Russian "senator" seems to imply that this attack is a NATO-supported crime against Russian citizens. If even a "senator" is not aware that they're at war, then what can we expect from ordinary consumers of Kremlin fairy tales like Veleor. The theory of the soldiers using their phones and being spotted is technically very dubious, not impossible though. A phone can typically reach an antenna at less than 50 miles, but probably can be detected at 60 miles with proper equipment. I would say in the is the range of the possible. However, I think is much more likely that military communications themselves are detected. If they were not encrypted, well, it does not get any easier to hit munitions and kill anyone around them. If they were encrypted but geolocated, there is still a good chance that they are interpreted as movement, simply by the volume of communications on the area. My guess: an increment of comms in the area are detected, this is brought to the attention of "the eyes of the heavenly gods" which may have confirmed supply convoys, too much unexplained movement of vehicles or, if the RF army is stupid enough - and we have seen plenty of that - plain sight supply operations. We may have not seen the last of this. There are thousands of troops and depots in HIMARS 80km range. In fact I wonder how many of these cases go unannounced. There seems to be some RF soldiers smoking where they should not in Sebastopol. https://t.me/Pravda_Gerashchenko/58861On the "crystal ball" I can see that the numbers of RF troops in the south are thinning. I would not discard an Ukrainian advance in the general direction of Melitopol from Zaporilla. A less likely one, a push from Kherson to create a perimeter, strategically convenient but hard to execute.
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Turns out the Ukraine War has been precipitating for years, as a plan to change the whole world. The Ukrainian people are simply cannon fodder or less. The people of the world who buy into the legitimacy of the war according tho the US government and media, are manipulated puppets. Watch the short video, and read the Schwab note at the site. Belarus Drafts Every Male 18 to 60 for the Inevitable Warhttps://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/war/belarus-drafts-every-male-18-to-60-for-the-inevitable-war/The Ukrainian people are FOOLS! Zelensky has been paid off to sacrifice his entire country. He is the modern-day Judas betraying his own people for a handful of silver. The West wants this war and they are using the Ukrainian people as cannon fodder to weaken Russia before they make their invasion to seek justice and retribution for Ukraine. There was a Donbas Referendum of 1994, in which the whole world turned a blind eye to those people who have been denied basic human rights because they are ethnically Russian. This is a premeditated war that they need to collapse the monetary system and get to create Bretton Woods II with digital currencies and sovereign debt will all simply evaporate. ...
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be, the GDP of Russia is equivalent to the one of just Italy. The manufacturing capacity of Europe is and order of magnitude above the RF. There is no scenario whatsoever in which the RF gains any short of control over Europe, even if the US decided to do nothing.
GPD percentages are effectively what you need to pay for a war. Europe has no shortage of manufacturing capacity, several times in excess of anything the RF may dream of. If you are arguing that the RF could win a war of attrition, you are severely mistaken. These are hard data and facts.
Apart from data, your assertions collide with reality. The RF advance was slowed, stopped and then turned back because the RF does not have the logistics to carry on with the war.
Your information is out of date. According to recent data, in terms of GDP, Russia rose from 11th to 9th place in the world over the year, overtaking Italy. But data on Ukraine is difficult to find, according to various estimates, its GDP fell from 30 to 37% over the year, and in terms of GDP, Ukraine now neighbors Ethiopia and Sri Lanka. And all this is unimportant, because it is not the size that matters, but the structure of GDP. In the GDP of developed countries, a large volume is occupied by services and derivative financial instruments. Therefore, it is incorrect to directly compare the GDP of Italy and Russia, although they are close in size. Just as it is incorrect to directly compare the GDP of Ukraine and Sri Lanka, although they are also close in size.
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I was a little mixed on war strategy earlier as there was some give and take on both sides, but it's really felt like the past 2-3 months or so Russia has been outplaying Ukraine / the west. Just my opinion. They made some smart retreats from some areas and doubled down on areas to go hard which seems to be having a lot of numbers go their way in a war of attrition.
Russian troops retreat victoriously. Ukrainian Army runs after them in panic. Got it.
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Apart from your usual bizarre "sources", what Ukraine and Ukrainians do or don't do is not based on what Zelensky decides or says. Fighting in the front is not about one guy or even a few people in government (in the RF it may be much more like that) because the defence of a country cannot be done without a high degree of support. This is even more true when the enemy is supposedly superior in numbers and has abundant resources (although now that is quite questionable). The answer is much simpler: Ukrainians do not want to be ruled by Putin from Moscow. It did not go well in the past. be, the GDP of Russia is equivalent to the one of just Italy. The manufacturing capacity of Europe is and order of magnitude above the RF. There is no scenario whatsoever in which the RF gains any short of control over Europe, even if the US decided to do nothing.
GPD percentages are effectively what you need to pay for a war. Europe has no shortage of manufacturing capacity, several times in excess of anything the RF may dream of. If you are arguing that the RF could win a war of attrition, you are severely mistaken. These are hard data and facts.
Apart from data, your assertions collide with reality. The RF advance was slowed, stopped and then turned back because the RF does not have the logistics to carry on with the war.
Your information is out of date. According to recent data, in terms of GDP, Russia rose from 11th to 9th place in the world over the year, overtaking Italy. But data on Ukraine is difficult to find, according to various estimates, its GDP fell from 30 to 37% over the year, and in terms of GDP, Ukraine now neighbors Ethiopia and Sri Lanka. And all this is unimportant, because it is not the size that matters, but the structure of GDP. In the GDP of developed countries, a large volume is occupied by services and derivative financial instruments. Therefore, it is incorrect to directly compare the GDP of Italy and Russia, although they are close in size. Just as it is incorrect to directly compare the GDP of Ukraine and Sri Lanka, although they are also close in size. Sure, Italy 2.0 Trillion, RF 2.1 Trillion ... Does this really make you feel more reassured? Is that where your dream of the RF having some hold in Europe is based? From your same source, even without the US doing anything, the sum of Spain and Poland is in GDP the same as the RF. Basically, you are proving one of my points, so thanks. BTW, the GDP of the RF has not risen, it is shrinking and the forecasts for next year is even worse. Italy's has probably go down, as tourism has been damaged by COVID - and before you say something silly, Euros from tourism buy the same weapons as Euros from oil exports. It is perfectly valid as for comparison purposes. The GDP of a financial sector buys weapons and manufacturing facilities just as any other. And remember, economically speaking, your beloved leader has managed to get all the EU and other bits of Europe united against him - he is no longer fighting just Ukraine in economic terms. I can only congratulate your Psychos for this achievement that not even the best statespersons of Europe could achieve. Lastly, a product of 2.1 Trillion for such a large territory and such a large number of people should be something to make you think about. How did the RF got there? Very simple, by the isolation and confrontation politics of the USSR, that Adolf Putin is now implementing. Again, congratulations. I was a little mixed on war strategy earlier as there was some give and take on both sides, but it's really felt like the past 2-3 months or so Russia has been outplaying Ukraine / the west. Just my opinion. They made some smart retreats from some areas and doubled down on areas to go hard which seems to be having a lot of numbers go their way in a war of attrition.
Russian troops retreat victoriously. Ukrainian Army runs after them in panic. Got it. An the RF is far superior in speed. No matter how much the Ukrainian soldiers run to them with white flags shouting "we surrender" the RF troops are victoriously running towards Moscow, to give the great news, even faster. BTW has anyone noticed that Wagner was one the main "symbols" during Nazism? Interesting name choice.
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Apart from your usual bizarre "sources", what Ukraine and Ukrainians do or don't do is not based on what Zelensky decides or says. Fighting in the front is not about one guy or even a few people in government (in the RF it may be much more like that) because the defence of a country cannot be done without a high degree of support. This is even more true when the enemy is supposedly superior in numbers and has abundant resources (although now that is quite questionable). The answer is much simpler: Ukrainians do not want to be ruled by Putin from Moscow. It did not go well in the past. Somebody might say that Islam is a religion. Maybe so. But it is a government, as well. A person can voluntarily become a Muslim. But if he doesn't want to, one of 3 things will happen: 1. If there aren't enough Muslims in an area, he won't have to become a Muslim; 2. If there are a reasonable number of Muslims in the area, they will nag him in little ways until he becomes Muslim or leaves; 3. If there are a lot of Muslims in an area, they will gradually force everybody else to become Muslims, leave, or they will assassinate/execute them. That's how Islam grows. Same said Ukraine. We see it in the fact that the Ukraine government/military started destroying, wounding, and killing Russians and Russia-favoring people in the Donbas area (and other areas) since at least 2014. In fact, it was the Ukrainian military amassing on the borders of the Donbas that caused Russia to move in and protect people in that area. If Russia had not stepped in, undoubtedly we would have seen a lot more people... 1. leaving the area and moving to Russia; 2. firmly joining Ukraine (Stockholm syndrome); 3. dying. Ukrainian government methods of expansion are similar to Islam's government expansion methods, even though their religion might be different. Ukraine, a government of violence... just like Islam.
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in terms of GDP, Russia rose from 11th to 9th place in the world over the year
So the internets is telling me Russia is the largest country in the world (by a lot). And they have more resources than any other country (by a lot). So...why are they barely cracking the top 10 in countries by GDP?
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in terms of GDP, Russia rose from 11th to 9th place in the world over the year
So the internets is telling me Russia is the largest country in the world (by a lot). And they have more resources than any other country (by a lot). So...why are they barely cracking the top 10 in countries by GDP? In Russia, the service sector is underdeveloped, which in developed countries gives up to 70-80% of GDP. Also in Russia, the habit of living in debt is less developed, which also negatively affects the absolute figures of GDP, but is favorable for a healthier structure of the economy.
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Apart from your usual bizarre "sources", what Ukraine and Ukrainians do or don't do is not based on what Zelensky decides or says. Fighting in the front is not about one guy or even a few people in government (in the RF it may be much more like that) because the defence of a country cannot be done without a high degree of support. This is even more true when the enemy is supposedly superior in numbers and has abundant resources (although now that is quite questionable). The answer is much simpler: Ukrainians do not want to be ruled by Putin from Moscow. It did not go well in the past. Somebody might say that Islam is a religion. Maybe so. But it is a government, as well. A person can voluntarily become a Muslim. But if he doesn't want to, one of 3 things will happen: 1. If there aren't enough Muslims in an area, he won't have to become a Muslim; 2. If there are a reasonable number of Muslims in the area, they will nag him in little ways until he becomes Muslim or leaves; 3. If there are a lot of Muslims in an area, they will gradually force everybody else to become Muslims, leave, or they will assassinate/execute them. That's how Islam grows. Same said Ukraine. We see it in the fact that the Ukraine government/military started destroying, wounding, and killing Russians and Russia-favoring people in the Donbas area (and other areas) since at least 2014. In fact, it was the Ukrainian military amassing on the borders of the Donbas that caused Russia to move in and protect people in that area. If Russia had not stepped in, undoubtedly we would have seen a lot more people... 1. leaving the area and moving to Russia; 2. firmly joining Ukraine (Stockholm syndrome); 3. dying. Ukrainian government methods of expansion are similar to Islam's government expansion methods, even though their religion might be different. Ukraine, a government of violence... just like Islam. Again, failing in the principles. RF annexed Crimea and had two army groups in the Donbass. This is unrelated to the current RF government trying to protect "Russians" (the best way to do so is not to let them be killed in a war), it is related to a medieval concept of dominance that Russia, precisely Moscow and St Petersbourgh reserve to themselves. On regards to your theory of enough Muslims living in an area etc... A simple theory for a much more complex reality (simple, yet wrong, answers for complex problems, I am not surprised you like Trump), it depends a lot on historical context and how the governments are structured. To live in harmony is difficult, but if there is a will to do so, it is possible. It has happened during long periods in history, usually those of most progress. in terms of GDP, Russia rose from 11th to 9th place in the world over the year
So the internets is telling me Russia is the largest country in the world (by a lot). And they have more resources than any other country (by a lot). So...why are they barely cracking the top 10 in countries by GDP? In Russia, the service sector is underdeveloped, which in developed countries gives up to 70-80% of GDP. Also in Russia, the habit of living in debt is less developed, which also negatively affects the absolute figures of GDP, but is favorable for a healthier structure of the economy. Wrong - debt can be good or bad, it is about what do you buy with it. Simple example: You use a credit card a 22% interest to buy fancy yet not needed clothes (bad idea) or you borrow at 3% to create a business that generates 15% returns (good idea). Debt simply makes things "shaky" but also gives an edge. An undeveloped services sector is not healthy. A barrel of oil is pretty much a barrel of oil (not exactly true), an copper is copper... services are key for competitivity.
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Wrong - debt can be good or bad, it is about what do you buy what side of the interaction you are on - FIFY...
Some Ukrainians are positively jubilant about the way things are going in Ukraine: Part of Ukraine where bombs will never fall https://www.bitchute.com/video/6eaGGIGlfRKV/The reasons for this jubilation are becoming more obvious to me by the day. What is very much more mysterious to me, and has remained elusive for the past year, involves the disposition of the various moving parts in Russia. Russia is absolutely the main cog/millstone in the machine which is currently grinding up Ukraine, but how much of that is engineered by the chosen? Relatedly, what is the future for Russia once their current task (which comes down to basically imploding the Collective West) is complete? === Edit: completely different subject. Some people are projecting that the nazi dupes are going to hide out in the salt mines of Soledar when the surface is overrun by the Russians (if hit hasn't been already as I write this.) I suggest that it would be a remarkably bad idea. A simple bore-hole can result in something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulfDRvObfzs
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... Again, failing in the principles. RF annexed Crimea and had two army groups in the Donbass. This is unrelated to the current RF government trying to protect "Russians" (the best way to do so is not to let them be killed in a war), it is related to a medieval concept of dominance that Russia, precisely Moscow and St Petersbourgh reserve to themselves. On regards to your theory of enough Muslims living in an area etc... A simple theory for a much more complex reality (simple, yet wrong, answers for complex problems, I am not surprised you like Trump), it depends a lot on historical context and how the governments are structured. To live in harmony is difficult, but if there is a will to do so, it is possible. It has happened during long periods in history, usually those of most progress. ... As usual. Since you can't seem to get a clear picture of what is really going on, all you can do is spout some psychological, theoretical, meandering junk about ancient history that doesn't fit or have anything to do with what is going on in the war.
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As usual. Since you can't seem to get a clear picture of what is really going on, all you can do is spout some psychological, theoretical, meandering junk about ancient history that doesn't fit or have anything to do with what is going on in the war. How Putin's War in Ukraine Became a Catastrophe for RussiaRussian soldiers go into battle with little food, few bullets and instructions grabbed from Wikipedia for weapons they barely know how to use. They plod through Ukraine with old maps like this one from the 1960s, recovered from the battlefield, or no maps at all. They speak on open cellphone lines, revealing their positions and exposing the incompetence and disarray in their ranks.Read more and click the links https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/12/16/world/europe/russia-putin-war-failures-ukraine.html
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We can all have hope by reading the New York Times, lol.
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in terms of GDP, Russia rose from 11th to 9th place in the world over the year
So the internets is telling me Russia is the largest country in the world (by a lot). And they have more resources than any other country (by a lot). So...why are they barely cracking the top 10 in countries by GDP? Probably because West wants their resources, so they sent Germany in WW1, then Lenin to make revolution, then supported bloodshed that ensued in civil war, then sent Hitler, then sent Chicago boys and now sent Zelensky...hard to develop when big chunk of the world is working against that all the time
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Wrong - debt can be good or bad, it is about what do you buy with it. Simple example: You use a credit card a 22% interest to buy fancy yet not needed clothes (bad idea) or you borrow at 3% to create a business that generates 15% returns (good idea). Debt simply makes things "shaky" but also gives an edge.
An undeveloped services sector is not healthy. A barrel of oil is pretty much a barrel of oil (not exactly true), an copper is copper... services are key for competitivity.
Debt can hardly be considered good if the debt burden exceeds 100% of GDP. Such debt is difficult to service, especially during periods of rising key rates, and almost impossible to repay. Almost all of the world's top 10 countries, except for Russia, have a debt burden exceeding 100% of GDP, and almost all of the top 10 countries have a catastrophic trade deficit. The largest economies in the world are giants with feet of clay. "Shaky" as you said is a good word.
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... Again, failing in the principles. RF annexed Crimea and had two army groups in the Donbass. This is unrelated to the current RF government trying to protect "Russians" (the best way to do so is not to let them be killed in a war), it is related to a medieval concept of dominance that Russia, precisely Moscow and St Petersbourgh reserve to themselves. On regards to your theory of enough Muslims living in an area etc... A simple theory for a much more complex reality (simple, yet wrong, answers for complex problems, I am not surprised you like Trump), it depends a lot on historical context and how the governments are structured. To live in harmony is difficult, but if there is a will to do so, it is possible. It has happened during long periods in history, usually those of most progress. ... As usual. Since you can't seem to get a clear picture of what is really going on, all you can do is spout some psychological, theoretical, meandering junk about ancient history that doesn't fit or have anything to do with what is going on in the war. I do not want to get off-topic, but the fact that you despise history - probably because you think the world was created the moment you were born - perfectly explains why are you reinventing the wheel over and over, but making it a perfect square. There is nothing psychological about it, religions and cultures coexist all over the world and is not ancient history. It is Belgium, Spain, Morocco (yes, not all Moroccans are actually Morrocans), perhaps around 10 countries in Africa, a few in Oceania and that is just to name a few... and yes, it is a question of willing to get alone and to not get poisoned from people who want to divide and confront. Again... no wonder you like Trump, your world is small and confrontational and you think you have "the right information" and any official media is by default wrong.
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