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Author Topic: [ANN] ¤ DMD Diamond 3.0 | Scarce ¤ Valuable ¤ Secure | PoS 3.0 | Masternodes 65%  (Read 1142424 times)
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May 09, 2014, 01:08:46 PM
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anyone else have a very good feeling about this coin?
may-be after the next fork... right now the force isn't with it

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May 09, 2014, 01:13:07 PM
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Danbi,

If you can take ANY other groestl coin (what..all three of them?) and have it work in a heart beat, which they do, its not the stratum, its the coin.


True, you can make other groestl based coins work, but this is only part of the game. There is other hashing involved besides groestl in DMD and the other coins.

Still hacking, but so far, we have two choices:

1. make DMD hash like the other groestl coins and fork (!) again.

2. Modify both stratum AND the miner and avoid the fork. I am currently working in this direction.



in my thoughts? if the stratum is already working for other coins? even if its only 3 with this algo..... why would someone insist on changing and trying to fix something that isn't broke?
afraid of the fork? but the fork would solve the problem! also if your changing the code to change stratum and other then who says that this wont happen again ? instead of using tried and true ?
just my thoughts on breaking something that is working or not?
sure I understand the challenge of making it work and wanting to prove that your good coders but make this work like the other groestl and if we all have problems then its solved with more then just a single coin right?

The ralationship between wallet (getblocktemplate) - stratum - miner and wallet (getwork) - miner is very, very different.
In the later case, it is the wallet that controls block construction/verification etc. In the first case, it's all three parties.
In the case of the other coins, it "just works", because the neccesary work to support it has already been done. We will do it for DMD as well, don't worry.

The choice to fork again is no an easy one, at least not in this moment. Sure, the fact that DMD's implementation is not exactly like GRS's has been overlooked, but this is done thing, in the past. We need to look in the future, where we have precisely the above choices.

I for myself don't care much about any recognition, but am not feeling easy to have operated a pool and it suddenly stops because a bunch of people insist they don't share any knowledge. This cryptocoin stuff exists on the basis of community trust, which only exists when everything is open source.

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May 09, 2014, 01:14:43 PM
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anyone else have a very good feeling about this coin?
may-be after the next fork... right now the force isn't with it

we hard trying to gather the force

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May 09, 2014, 01:23:52 PM
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Danbi,

If you can take ANY other groestl coin (what..all three of them?) and have it work in a heart beat, which they do, its not the stratum, its the coin.


True, you can make other groestl based coins work, but this is only part of the game. There is other hashing involved besides groestl in DMD and the other coins.

Still hacking, but so far, we have two choices:

1. make DMD hash like the other groestl coins and fork (!) again.

2. Modify both stratum AND the miner and avoid the fork. I am currently working in this direction.



in my thoughts? if the stratum is already working for other coins? even if its only 3 with this algo..... why would someone insist on changing and trying to fix something that isn't broke?
afraid of the fork? but the fork would solve the problem! also if your changing the code to change stratum and other then who says that this wont happen again ? instead of using tried and true ?
just my thoughts on breaking something that is working or not?
sure I understand the challenge of making it work and wanting to prove that your good coders but make this work like the other groestl and if we all have problems then its solved with more then just a single coin right?

The ralationship between wallet (getblocktemplate) - stratum - miner and wallet (getwork) - miner is very, very different.
In the later case, it is the wallet that controls block construction/verification etc. In the first case, it's all three parties.
In the case of the other coins, it "just works", because the neccesary work to support it has already been done. We will do it for DMD as well, don't worry.

The choice to fork again is no an easy one, at least not in this moment. Sure, the fact that DMD's implementation is not exactly like GRS's has been overlooked, but this is done thing, in the past. We need to look in the future, where we have precisely the above choices.

I for myself don't care much about any recognition, but am not feeling easy to have operated a pool and it suddenly stops because a bunch of people insist they don't share any knowledge. This cryptocoin stuff exists on the basis of community trust, which only exists when everything is open source.




common trust? well every moment that goes by and every proprietary and not open source change they make to make this "unique" running the road alone doesn't offer trust.... take a look at the entire world not just a small part of it!

the dev said"   Still hacking, but so far, we have two choices:

1. make DMD hash like the other groestl coins and fork (!) again.

2. Modify both stratum AND the miner and avoid the fork. I am currently working in this direction.


taking the fork would solve the problem and number 2 is simply taking on a doubt full approach on coding that may or may not succeed.

I would think more of trying to get this working as others are working and not simply hack stuff to simply make it work for the moment then later it happens again. or not? but who knows?
with taking the fork it would get this coin back in the running trying to recover some of its credibility and would have several "devs" working on it not just this team
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May 09, 2014, 02:06:10 PM
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common trust? well every moment that goes by and every proprietary and not open source change they make to make this "unique" running the road alone doesn't offer trust.... take a look at the entire world not just a small part of it!

the dev said"   Still hacking, but so far, we have two choices:

1. make DMD hash like the other groestl coins and fork (!) again.

2. Modify both stratum AND the miner and avoid the fork. I am currently working in this direction.


taking the fork would solve the problem and number 2 is simply taking on a doubt full approach on coding that may or may not succeed.

I would think more of trying to get this working as others are working and not simply hack stuff to simply make it work for the moment then later it happens again. or not? but who knows?
with taking the fork it would get this coin back in the running trying to recover some of its credibility and would have several "devs" working on it not just this team


That's not the dev, that's me. There might be other options I am not aware of, that the dev might know. I am just trying to help -- and this is what I have come to so far.

Both approaches are fine with me -- the new DMD needs significant modifications from the old DMD in order to be mined in pools, no matter what. Either forking, or making the proper modifications to stratum/miner will work. Forking is just more painful.

By the way, "hacking the code" is the stage when you make it work. Then you refactor your hacks before publishing to make it fit the respective stratum/miner/wallet frameworks.

Again, I am not the dev of either the wallet, the stratum server or the miner. I am just an member of the public, who happened to care.

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May 09, 2014, 03:22:48 PM
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common trust? well every moment that goes by and every proprietary and not open source change they make to make this "unique" running the road alone doesn't offer trust.... take a look at the entire world not just a small part of it!

the dev said"   Still hacking, but so far, we have two choices:

1. make DMD hash like the other groestl coins and fork (!) again.

2. Modify both stratum AND the miner and avoid the fork. I am currently working in this direction.


taking the fork would solve the problem and number 2 is simply taking on a doubt full approach on coding that may or may not succeed.

I would think more of trying to get this working as others are working and not simply hack stuff to simply make it work for the moment then later it happens again. or not? but who knows?
with taking the fork it would get this coin back in the running trying to recover some of its credibility and would have several "devs" working on it not just this team


That's not the dev, that's me. There might be other options I am not aware of, that the dev might know. I am just trying to help -- and this is what I have come to so far.

Both approaches are fine with me -- the new DMD needs significant modifications from the old DMD in order to be mined in pools, no matter what. Either forking, or making the proper modifications to stratum/miner will work. Forking is just more painful.

By the way, "hacking the code" is the stage when you make it work. Then you refactor your hacks before publishing to make it fit the respective stratum/miner/wallet frameworks.

Again, I am not the dev of either the wallet, the stratum server or the miner. I am just an member of the public, who happened to care.


I think Cryptsy should get their wallet working. Beyond that, DMD shouldn't be forked again to accommodate private pools. mining is working fine. I'm certain that someone with the proper software skills will get it working on a pool.
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May 09, 2014, 03:34:25 PM
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Wts 60 dmd.
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May 09, 2014, 04:08:57 PM
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@2tights: mining is NOT working fine you exlude the vast majority, all the average users that need normal pools like danbi's

so much time has passed. devs need to look into all of the things that the others above me and myself have posted and get going fast or this is gonna die just as fast as all the other 99999 clones.

I already moved on to mining other coins since mining without a pool is NOT an option for me. Danbi's pool worked fine and he also is very helpful and trying to fix stuff, but devs need to work with all the helpful people out there not just tell everybody to wait a billion times.

But most important to investors like me: price is on the edge. you NEED to get it up now, or it's gonna fall much much further
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May 09, 2014, 04:12:23 PM
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@2tights: mining is NOT working fine you exlude all the vast majority, the average users that need normal pools like danbi's

so much time has passed. devs need to look into all of the things that the others above me and myself have posted and get going fast or this is gonna die just as fast as all the other 99999 clones.

If you'd just solo mine, then you'd be fine. I'm up to almost 40 DMD... hows that waiting for pools going for you?

There is no advantage to pool mining other than minimizing short term variance. However, right now as many have stated, solo mining is working just fine which contrary to your perception is more important than pool mining.
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May 09, 2014, 04:16:11 PM
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@2tights: mining is NOT working fine you exlude all the vast majority, the average users that need normal pools like danbi's

so much time has passed. devs need to look into all of the things that the others above me and myself have posted and get going fast or this is gonna die just as fast as all the other 99999 clones.

If you'd just solo mine, then you'd be fine. I'm up to almost 40 DMD... hows that waiting for pools going for you?

There is no advantage to pool mining other than minimizing short term variance. However, right now as many have stated, solo mining is working just fine which contrary to your perception is more important than pool mining.



NOT EVERYONE CAN SOLO MINE, SOME DONT HAVE THE HORSEPOWER TO SOLO MINE AND THAT IS A VAST MAJORITY! SO ALL THOSE THAT WONT OR CANT SOLO WILL SIMPLY DROP THE COIN! I WOULD SAY AS THEY DROP THE COIN THEN THE CREDIBILITY ALSO GOES OUT THE WINDOW


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May 09, 2014, 04:25:43 PM
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caps are very appropriate here.

he just wont get it. if you like statistics then see it this way: you CAN find the same amount of dmd in a week. but if you DONT YOU HAVE LOST ALL THE MINING TIME
if you were in a pool you would get relatively constant results ALL OF THE TIME

this is only about horsepower. besides, for any kind of statistical significance you would have to run 24/7 with constant operation and that is something not achievable by the majority, the guy with a normal pc.
The guy that also has to use his pc for you know work and stuff?
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May 09, 2014, 04:37:15 PM
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I'll ask again nicely.Is POS active or not?

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caps are very appropriate here.

he just wont get it. if you like statistics then see it this way: you CAN find the same amount of dmd in a week. but if you DONT YOU HAVE LOST ALL THE MINING TIME
if you were in a pool you would get relatively constant results ALL OF THE TIME

this is only about horsepower. besides, for any kind of statistical significance you would have to run 24/7 with constant operation and that is something not achievable by the majority, the guy with a normal pc.
The guy that also has to use his pc for you know work and stuff?


I AGREE

the situation is that if every single person would look at this from only his prospective then this coin is DYING FAST.
I do have mining rigs and I can mine solo but to be honest I prefer not to because I like to know for a fact at any given moment I can change with a single click of the button my mining pool and coin! offering myself the chance to have a higher gain! I have mined diamonds for several months steady and made ALOT!
but at any given moment I am also mining at least 4 other coins!
I love diamonds and they bought me some key components in my rigs but .............
solo mining is out of the question and............. waiting for your last meal might  be the last thing you do ..........

Groestl algo is working for the other coins......... drop the pride and make it work for this also but stop dinking around and lets get it done so the VAST MAJORITY OF US MINERS  can get back to work!

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May 09, 2014, 04:38:40 PM
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hello.
Who follow the forum http://dmdcoin.net/forum/index.php/board,1.0.html there is something to actively distribute spam.

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May 09, 2014, 04:41:48 PM
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caps are very appropriate here.

he just wont get it. if you like statistics then see it this way: you CAN find the same amount of dmd in a week. but if you DONT YOU HAVE LOST ALL THE MINING TIME
if you were in a pool you would get relatively constant results ALL OF THE TIME

this is only about horsepower. besides, for any kind of statistical significance you would have to run 24/7 with constant operation and that is something not achievable by the majority, the guy with a normal pc.
The guy that also has to use his pc for you know work and stuff?


"if you like statistics.."

dude it has nothing to do with "liking" anything. Its math, plain and simple. Argue with your emotions all you want...

This isn't personal, it's just funny to me really. You can lead a horse to water....
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May 09, 2014, 04:45:07 PM
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hello.
Who follow the forum http://dmdcoin.net/forum/index.php/board,1.0.html there is something to actively distribute spam.


even on the official forum the "DEVS" last update was over a few days ago! now that is truly prompting his community!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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May 09, 2014, 04:52:33 PM
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hello.
Who follow the forum http://dmdcoin.net/forum/index.php/board,1.0.html there is something to actively distribute spam.


even on the official forum the "DEVS" last update was over a few days ago! now that is truly prompting his community!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you are wondering where this are at right now, here is my understanding:

1. solo mining is working great.
2. Cryptsy isn't working yet
3. pool mining is generally not working


The dev has stated they will work to get that pool component working, and it will be an update to DMD once the fix is found.

I don't know if that has changed.
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May 09, 2014, 04:53:52 PM
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I would suggest than if your unable to solo mine diamond you should be mining some other coin right now. I am sure the Devs or someone will get pool mining working at some point. Getting upset about something you can't do anything about is pointless.

I cannot mine diamond while I am awake. I can't let it run that long without messing with it.
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May 09, 2014, 04:55:39 PM
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I would suggest than if your unable to solo mine diamond you should be mining some other coin right now. I am sure the Devs or someone will get pool mining working at some point. Getting upset about something you can't do anything about is pointless.

I cannot mine diamond while I am awake. I can't let it run that long without messing with it.

What problems are you having? I've been very solid for days.
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May 09, 2014, 05:15:33 PM
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He just wont get it. The reason why it doesnt make sense to mine DMD at that difficulty with your average pc is plain math. pure and simple.

Additionally when only mining  at night your chances drop a lot more.

@2tights: there isnt emotion anywhere, im only interested in investing in something worthy and im doing the maths. which leads to mining other coins right now and just buying dmd.
but that leads to the question: will the devs fix things fast enough to not disrupt mass appeal.
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