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August 21, 2014, 02:23:16 PM
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HOWEVER, the point is valid that the timing of every pump vrc had was exactly when the coin was getting soft.  It is all there just pull up the tweets, the posts and the charts for vrc to compare and see.  It isn't a debate, it isn't sour grapes, it isn't fud, it is a simple fact and maybe just coincidence.

So, you are suggesting that pnosker not make announcements, correct?

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August 21, 2014, 02:33:51 PM
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be positive..  there is no use for rants..it will not do anything..waiting for the IOS wallet tho

EDIT: this is the coin that has honesty, integrity and i would like to think transparency. what we lack is unity, humility and whales..
coins without features and news - when backed by whales, price would go up..
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August 21, 2014, 02:34:40 PM
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HOWEVER, the point is valid that the timing of every pump vrc had was exactly when the coin was getting soft.  It is all there just pull up the tweets, the posts and the charts for vrc to compare and see.  It isn't a debate, it isn't sour grapes, it isn't fud, it is a simple fact and maybe just coincidence.

So, you are suggesting that pnosker not make announcements, correct?


What is being VERY CLEARLY suggested is:
1) The DEVs should DELIVER ONTIME, whenever and whatever they announce
2) The DEVs should avoid to make pumping statements such as "500K guaranteed"

Are you still not getting the point?

Edit 1: What is being mostly hurt is their CREDIBILITY, and the coin prices are only following suit
Edit 2: It is still not TOO LATE to correct attitudes and directions. This is a CALL TO ACTION from CREDIBLE COMMUNITY MEMBERS
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August 21, 2014, 02:56:31 PM
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be positive..  there is no use for rants..it will not do anything..waiting for the IOS wallet tho

EDIT: this is the coin that has honesty, integrity and i would like to think transparency. what we lack is unity, humility and whales..
coins without features and news - when backed by whales, price would go up..

Right now we're lacking leadership. Its not like we don't have leaders, but by not connecting their announcements to actual execution, they're loosing credibility. As simple as that.
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August 21, 2014, 02:59:52 PM
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How in the world do you expect me to summarize months of work in 10-20 words, when your asking me for a summary took 24 words alone?



*Troll on*

Is this the level of intelligence we should expect from vericoin investors going forward? Its all been said, go read it if you care to find out. Put in some work, quit being lazy if you care. I shouldn't have to spend more time telling you how much of my life I wasted on this project.

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Though it really wasn't a waste. I am critical thinker, so this experience just goes to further my crypto education! Smiley I will be especially more critical in future investments. So if you think these devs had it bad, wait until I support another project! They will hate me until they love me. The quality of your developers means everything to the start of a crypto project.

We had our honeymoon phase, they could do no wrong. But now that reality is setting in, its scary. Nothing moved the needle, and promises, promises promises. That constantly fall flat.

These guys came out promising the world, and many gave them credit for being amazing developers / people including myself. I still have no ill will to any dev as a person. I think the games wizrig played totally fooled the developers and many of the community at the start. You can see it in the high praise for that scammer in many twitter links. But pls don't say anything negative about him, because the devs hold him in very high regard! Perhaps he kicked them some money like the other pumpers who "donated" coins to the developers during the massive pump. Look at Crindon. He seemed/seems to have a very good working relationship to the devs. Look at how far away he has stayed from this coin after he pumped it hard alongside the developers.


A majority of whose left here are hanging onto the hopes, and promises from developers, while the realistic people have come to expect failed execution with every promise.

I fully understand how you feel, I feel the same way for a while. Mainly not about the money lost, fortunately I am not loosing any sleep over the money. I feel the way you do mainly because the PhD student clowns scammed investors into this shit coin. All together this coin is a shamble, the copy/paste Sunny King code with no added value at all, that still only the laughable VeriBit and VeriSend features there with combined 6 users worldwide and was nothing added to it in the last 8 weeks, but mainly that the arrogant clowns were never man enough to say sorry for the WizRig scam, the broken promises, giving false hopes about conference, Wall Street investors, secret weapon announcements, etc. over the weeks.

You are right Nosker is a pumper with his 500k Sat price hype, his scam just has not materialized. The three clowns make the hype, the fucking cheerleader brigade hurrah makes the hype stronger, however the developers are lack of work ethics and skills to deliver - that's why this is a scam.

Fortunately, we are here and potential new investors hear about this scam :-)))
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August 21, 2014, 03:07:29 PM
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HOWEVER, the point is valid that the timing of every pump vrc had was exactly when the coin was getting soft.  It is all there just pull up the tweets, the posts and the charts for vrc to compare and see.  It isn't a debate, it isn't sour grapes, it isn't fud, it is a simple fact and maybe just coincidence.

So, you are suggesting that pnosker not make announcements, correct?


We begged the devs time and time again to just not make announcements at all when the wizrig thing played out as we know the drill and the MO.  

When something is done, deliver it.  You know who benefits from pre announcements?  Pumpers and not the long term health of any coin.  


I still think the devs were taken during " the honeymoon " phase by some professional pump and dump artists and that is why they defended them.  Yes, the same proffesional P&d's that are gone today and never looked back after their scorched earth policy.  However, that should be a lesson learned by the devs and not a badge of honor to be worn and used as a playbook going forward, as you can once again see it is not working out to well.

Edit - Btw I don't own any vrc and have not in a long time.  Am I looking to buy some cheap and a possible reason for my posts?  NO.  Would I consider buying some in the future at even double the current price?  Yes, if a lot changes, and no, that does not mean really really super duper secret promises of riches but actual working community accepted and used results.  No more touted fiat features inside the wallet that end up being just a link to a 3rd party.

Good luck to those who are still holding VRC, I sincerely hope you make your money back and much more.  I would suggest though that you stop supporting the bad habits and start thinking about the process to long term growth.  Hint, it does not start with the " same old playbook. "

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August 21, 2014, 03:16:24 PM
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be positive..  there is no use for rants..it will not do anything..waiting for the IOS wallet tho

EDIT: this is the coin that has honesty, integrity and i would like to think transparency. what we lack is unity, humility and whales..
coins without features and news - when backed by whales, price would go up..

Right now we're lacking leadership. Its not like we don't have leaders, but by not connecting their announcements to actual execution, they're loosing credibility. As simple as that.

agree 100%..
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August 21, 2014, 03:51:47 PM
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be positive..  there is no use for rants..it will not do anything..waiting for the IOS wallet tho

EDIT: this is the coin that has honesty, integrity and i would like to think transparency. what we lack is unity, humility and whales..
coins without features and news - when backed by whales, price would go up..

Right now we're lacking leadership. Its not like we don't have leaders, but by not connecting their announcements to actual execution, they're loosing credibility. As simple as that.

agree 100%..

Righto. Pnosker faded into the background after many fails. Once in a while he pops up to say things lately like "This is going to be a huge week for VeriCoin!"

Dev 3 is not a face of anything, but is capable in his own regards, and I highly value his military service, so only positive things to say about him as a person, though I do not feel he is right, or able to take on this task.

We have Doug currently being the face of vericoin. He is honestly the best at this role as he seems to be the one with the highest detail to ethics, he clearly has integrity, and the ability to code wallets and other features. At the end of the day this does not mean he hasn't had many failures, and continued to set himself up to fail recently through lack of execution on this latest deal. One that nobody had to know about until it was signed sealed and delivered.

Any strong community could overtake a developer team if the will, and strength of the community was there. VeriCoin doesn't have that luxury, since most of the value has been built into the coin from developers value / promises. You take the promises / developer out of vericoin and its nothing. The community could step up and do what we have to do to overtake the coin and make it what we feel it could be, but you would be starting from zero. So as you see, these developers, and their choices / credibility mean everything to what vericoin was/is/will be.

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August 21, 2014, 04:01:15 PM
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sun tzu: Cleverness has never been associated with long delays.

if there are delays, so be it, but please dont make it any longer
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August 21, 2014, 04:11:17 PM
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I fully understand how you feel, I feel the same way for a while. Mainly not about the money lost, fortunately I am not loosing any sleep over the money. I feel the way you do mainly because the PhD student clowns scammed investors into this shit coin. All together this coin is a shamble, the copy/paste Sunny King code with no added value at all, that still only the laughable VeriBit and VeriSend features there with combined 6 users worldwide and was nothing added to it in the last 8 weeks, but mainly that the arrogant clowns were never man enough to say sorry for the WizRig scam, the broken promises, giving false hopes about conference, Wall Street investors, secret weapon announcements, etc. over the weeks.

You are right Nosker is a pumper with his 500k Sat price hype, his scam just has not materialized. The three clowns make the hype, the fucking cheerleader brigade hurrah makes the hype stronger, however the developers are lack of work ethics and skills to deliver - that's why this is a scam.

Fortunately, we are here and potential new investors hear about this scam :-)))


Compare this coin's code to Sunny King's and you will see many differences. VeriBit is used regularly by many people. VeriSend isn't... as we suspected. I'm officially sorry for the missed timelines. Doug tried to set one with way more than enough time but the issue is that the other party isn't getting back to us quickly.

That 500k price was a reply to someone who asked what I thought VRC was worth. I still think it will be worth 500k. I didn't go say "Go buy some VeriCoin because within 5 months you'll make 50x gains."

We are doing what we said we would do, albeit maybe a little more delayed than we hoped. Things never work quite the same in the real world vs the testnet. It sucks. But you're in crypto, which means you should know that already. Nobody is keeping you here. Nobody is stopping another developer from taking over if they think they can do a better job. That's the beauty in the crypto world. I didn't make you put a single dime into VeriCoin and nobody else did either. You did it, maybe because you had some lofty expectations or because you wanted to make a lot of money without doing much work (investing). But as far as I can tell, there are Doug, David, and I. We are writing the code, making the projects, dealing with other developers, etc. Others (ScottAllyn, amesterdamer, VeriVeriViral, etc.) that are doing a great job with building utility and marketing for VRC. To say I'm a scammer because someone specifically asked me what I thought VRC is worth is insane. Go look at the proceeding tweets.

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August 21, 2014, 04:12:13 PM
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be positive..  there is no use for rants..it will not do anything..waiting for the IOS wallet tho

EDIT: this is the coin that has honesty, integrity and i would like to think transparency. what we lack is unity, humility and whales..
coins without features and news - when backed by whales, price would go up..

Right now we're lacking leadership. Its not like we don't have leaders, but by not connecting their announcements to actual execution, they're loosing credibility. As simple as that.

agree 100%..

Righto. Pnosker faded into the background after many fails. Once in a while he pops up to say things lately like "This is going to be a huge week for VeriCoin!"

Dev 3 is not a face of anything, but is capable in his own regards, and I highly value his military service, so only positive things to say about him as a person, though I do not feel he is right, or able to take on this task.

We have Doug currently being the face of vericoin. He is honestly the best at this role as he seems to be the one with the highest detail to ethics, he clearly has integrity, and the ability to code wallets and other features. At the end of the day this does not mean he hasn't had many failures, and continued to set himself up to fail recently through lack of execution on this latest deal. One that nobody had to know about until it was signed sealed and delivered.

Any strong community could overtake a developer team if the will, and strength of the community was there. VeriCoin doesn't have that luxury, since most of the value has been built into the coin from developers value / promises. You take the promises / developer out of vericoin and its nothing. The community could step up and do what we have to do to overtake the coin and make it what we feel it could be, but you would be starting from zero. So as you see, these developers, and the choices / credibility mean everything to what vericoin was/is/will be.

Exactly! They should follow the correct roadmap for delivering this and any future developments:
1) Make only generic announcements of future developments. Target dates should be as generic as possible (e.g. Q4/14)
2) Execute, sign documents, test and fully secure the feature
3) Release a PR setting date and time for the actual announcement (e.g. Vericoin will be announcing a great developmemnt on Friday, 8/23, 2 pm EST)
4) Release the announcement ontime precisely as communicated in the previous PR

By adopting such a methodology, the announcement would get maximum attention from all crypto, if not for its content, at least for the professionalism of the communication strategy.

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The skillful leader subdues the enemy's troops without any fighting. #TheArtofWar
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August 21, 2014, 04:19:34 PM
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Exactly! They should follow the correct roadmap for delivering this and any future developments:
1) Make only generic announcements of future developments. Target dates should be as generic as possible (e.g. Q4/14)
2) Execute, sign documents, test and fully secure the feature
3) Release a PR setting date and time for the actual announcement (e.g. Vericoin will be announcing a great developmemnt on Friday, 8/23, 2 pm EST)
4) Release the announcement ontime precisely as communicated in the previous PR

By adopting such a methodology, the announcement would get maximum attention from all crypto, if not for its content, at least for the professionalism of the communication strategy.



I agree fully with this methodology. I will ask the other devs to follow suit and adapt this system. Thanks for the tip.

The skillful leader subdues the enemy's troops without any fighting. #TheArtofWar

Good quote. Thanks for the reminder of it.

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August 21, 2014, 04:24:27 PM
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be positive..  there is no use for rants..it will not do anything..waiting for the IOS wallet tho

EDIT: this is the coin that has honesty, integrity and i would like to think transparency. what we lack is unity, humility and whales..
coins without features and news - when backed by whales, price would go up..

Right now we're lacking leadership. Its not like we don't have leaders, but by not connecting their announcements to actual execution, they're loosing credibility. As simple as that.

agree 100%..

Righto. Pnosker faded into the background after many fails. Once in a while he pops up to say things lately like "This is going to be a huge week for VeriCoin!"

Dev 3 is not a face of anything, but is capable in his own regards, and I highly value his military service, so only positive things to say about him as a person, though I do not feel he is right, or able to take on this task.

We have Doug currently being the face of vericoin. He is honestly the best at this role as he seems to be the one with the highest detail to ethics, he clearly has integrity, and the ability to code wallets and other features. At the end of the day this does not mean he hasn't had many failures, and continued to set himself up to fail recently through lack of execution on this latest deal. One that nobody had to know about until it was signed sealed and delivered.

Any strong community could overtake a developer team if the will, and strength of the community was there. VeriCoin doesn't have that luxury, since most of the value has been built into the coin from developers value / promises. You take the promises / developer out of vericoin and its nothing. The community could step up and do what we have to do to overtake the coin and make it what we feel it could be, but you would be starting from zero. So as you see, these developers, and the choices / credibility mean everything to what vericoin was/is/will be.

Exactly! They should follow the correct roadmap for delivering this and any future developments:
1) Make only generic announcements of future developments. Target dates should be as generic as possible (e.g. Q4/14)
2) Execute, sign documents, test and fully secure the feature
3) Release a PR setting date and time for the actual announcement (e.g. Vericoin will be announcing a great developmemnt on Friday, 8/23, 2 pm EST)
4) Release the announcement ontime precisely as communicated in the previous PR

By adopting such a methodology, the announcement would get maximum attention from all crypto, if not for its content, at least for the professionalism of the communication strategy.



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Exactly! They should follow the correct roadmap for delivering this and any future developments:
1) Make only generic announcements of future developments. Target dates should be as generic as possible (e.g. Q4/14)
2) Execute, sign documents, test and fully secure the feature
3) Release a PR setting date and time for the actual announcement (e.g. Vericoin will be announcing a great developmemnt on Friday, 8/23, 2 pm EST)
4) Release the announcement ontime precisely as communicated in the previous PR

By adopting such a methodology, the announcement would get maximum attention from all crypto, if not for its content, at least for the professionalism of the communication strategy.



I agree fully with this methodology. I will ask the other devs to follow suit and adapt this system. Thanks for the tip.

The skillful leader subdues the enemy's troops without any fighting. #TheArtofWar

Good quote. Thanks for the reminder of it.

Good to see you are open to solid helpful suggestions, wish this was posted verbatim a month or 2 ago it really gets the point across we tried to make before. gl

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You must remember that it is supposed to be called digital currency, crypto was a no no the last time i tuned into the radio feed. Keep that in mind. Oh yea , still waiting for an update
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I didn't make you put a single dime into VeriCoin and nobody else did either.

I've never invested because you said so, still you should never reply this for an investor. Your reply is not only cynical but simply hypocritical, because you are here for the dollar. Actually, you were specifically bashing BTC in your tweets and asking investment for vericoin saying it is better investment than BTC - and that's fine, it's cool if you want to make money, but in this case don't present yourself as an innocent boy, don't be a hypocrite please. You aren't a voluntary coder for the linux kernel for free of charge but the lead developer of a software in the 95% scam driven altcoin market. You are here for the dollar - just to be clear about your motives.

In the meantime you are talking about my investment, but I said many times, I am not overly worry about loosing money with vericoin. Which bothers me and many other investors most are the broken promises, the lack of development, your incapability to deliver anything in the last 8 weeks, the hypes about the conference and Wall Street when the pumps were in progress, and the scam with wizrig. You must understand, most people are not overly worry about the money, but don't like to be mislead and scammed, not even from a PhD student. Look back at your first hangout, how you presented the "team member" wizrig by asking investment when that scammer said "I am here for long" and how you sold his plan about the worldwide media campaign, how you stated everything is legit about wizrig, and then hopefully you will understand why many investors feel that this is just another P&D operation and the wizrig affair was a proper scam. Having said that, nobody would care a lot about your wizrig affair and any past broken promises if you would a) say at least sorry if there is a mistake  b) start developing the software and deliver something  c) wouldn't top up that scam with broken promises again and again.

You have a big problem in my opinion, because more and more investors, once committed supporters are very unhappy about how you develop, more precisely not develop this coin. To be honest I was hoping that provocative comments and the moaning from unhappy investors will trigger other actions from you than arrogant replies, what I was hoping is that you will actually sit down with your colleagues and start to develop the software. I guess you guys just incapable to do that, you are just not good enough to compete with viacoin, cloak not to mention Ethereum. It would be great if you could prove me wrong and start to develop something that matters.

Finally, it is not your business if I stay or go. Your cheerleaders pointed out last week that this is the Wilde West, don't cry and go way (which sentiment actually appears in your reply as well). That is hilarious, because if it is really the Wilde West as your cheerleeder brigade like to say then you should expect some gun fire when there are no delivery, broken promises, pump and scam in the air.
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I didn't make you put a single dime into VeriCoin and nobody else did either.

I've never invested because you said so, still you should never reply this for an investor. Your reply is not only cynical but simply hypocritical, because you are here for the dollar. Actually, you were specifically bashing BTC in your tweets and asking investment for vericoin saying it is better investment than BTC - and that's fine, it's cool if you want to make money, but in this case don't present yourself as an innocent boy, don't be a hypocrite please. You aren't a voluntary coder for the linux kernel for free of charge but the lead developer of a software in the 95% scam driven altcoin market. You are here for the dollar - just to be clear about your motives.

In the meantime you are talking about my investment, but I said many times, I am not overly worry about loosing money with vericoin. Which bothers me and many other investors most are the broken promises, the lack of development, your incapability to deliver anything in the last 8 weeks, the hypes about the conference and Wall Street when the pumps were in progress, and the scam with wizrig. You must understand, most people are not overly worry about the money, but don't like to be mislead and scammed, not even from a PhD student. Look back at your first hangout, how you presented the "team member" wizrig by asking investment when that scammer said "I am here for long" and how you sold his plan about the worldwide media campaign, how you stated everything is legit about wizrig, and then hopefully you will understand why many investors feel that this is just another P&D operation and the wizrig affair was a proper scam. Having said that, nobody would care a lot about your wizrig affair and any past broken promises if you would a) say at least sorry if there is a mistake  b) start developing the software and deliver something  c) wouldn't top up that scam with broken promises again and again.

You have a big problem in my opinion, because more and more investors, once committed supporters are very unhappy about how you develop, more precisely not develop this coin. To be honest I was hoping that provocative comments and the moaning from unhappy investors will trigger other actions from you than arrogant replies, what I was hoping is that you will actually sit down with your colleagues and start to develop the software. I guess you guys just incapable to do that, you are just not good enough to compete with viacoin, cloak not to mention Ethereum. It would be great if you could prove me wrong and start to develop something that matters.

Finally, it is not your business if I stay or go. Your cheerleaders pointed out last week that this is the Wilde West, don't cry and go way (which sentiment actually appears in your reply as well). That is hilarious, because if it is really the Wilde West as your cheerleeder brigade like to say then you should expect some gun fire when there are no delivery, broken promises, pump and scam in the air.

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August 21, 2014, 06:10:46 PM
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Actually, you were specifically bashing BTC in your tweets and asking investment for vericoin saying it is better investment than BTC - and that's fine, it's cool if you want to make money, but in this case don't present yourself as an innocent boy, don't be a hypocrite please. You aren't a voluntary coder for the linux kernel for free of charge but the lead developer of a software in the 95% scam driven altcoin market. You are here for the dollar - just to be clear about your motives.

In the meantime you are talking about my investment, but I said many times, I am not overly worry about loosing money with vericoin. Which bothers me and many other investors most are the broken promises, the lack of development, your incapability to deliver anything in the last 8 weeks, the hypes about the conference and Wall Street when the pumps were in progress, and the scam with wizrig. You must understand, most people are not overly worry about the money, but don't like to be mislead and scammed, not even from a PhD student. Look back at your first hangout, how you presented the "team member" wizrig by asking investment when that scammer said "I am here for long" and how you sold his plan about the worldwide media campaign, how you stated everything is legit about wizrig, and then hopefully you will understand why many investors feel that this is just another P&D operation and the wizrig affair was a proper scam. Having said that, nobody would care a lot about your wizrig affair and any past broken promises if you would a) say at least sorry if there is a mistake  b) start developing the software and deliver something  c) wouldn't top up that scam with broken promises again and again.

You have a big problem in my opinion, because more and more investors, once committed supporters are very unhappy about how you develop, more precisely not develop this coin. To be honest I was hoping that provocative comments and the moaning from unhappy investors will trigger other actions from you than arrogant replies, what I was hoping is that you will actually sit down with your colleagues and start to develop the software. I guess you guys just incapable to do that, you are just not good enough to compete with viacoin, cloak not to mention Ethereum. It would be great if you could prove me wrong and start to develop something that matters.

Finally, it is not your business if I stay or go. Your cheerleaders pointed out last week that this is the Wilde West, don't cry and go way (which sentiment actually appears in your reply as well). That is hilarious, because if it is really the Wilde West as your cheerleeder brigade like to say then you should expect some gun fire when there are no delivery, broken promises, pump and scam in the air.

Saying VRC is better than BTC isn't bashing BTC. BTC is great. I've been mining it since 2010. I've worked on free projects in the past. In middle school I was a contributor to the PearPC project (ASM CPU translation code). If I was here for the dollar I would have sold off my VeriCoin long ago.

You, others, and even me have been let down by lack of developments. They aren't because we're doing nothing-- some of them are due to obvious commitment problems (Wiz for example) in which more was said than done), some are due to delivery issues (we were waiting for new UI icons for weeks and finally have them), some are due to technical issues (Our original plan for VeriSend is much more difficult to implement without significant codebase changes, for example), some are due to partnership issues (the next ANN)-- all of which we were likely unprepared and too naive to appreciate when we discussed them publicly. And I am apologizing for the delays. Viacoin couldn't handle development themselves and had to outsource a lot of it-- which cost them a great chunk of their IPO. Ethereum similarly has tens of developers and not a single working coin (and won't be for months), as well as millions of dollars to pay developers. I'm not especially aware of Cloak so I cannot comment on their progress. Either way, nobody but VeriCoin is attempting to make a coin for the masses. And that requires a lot of "bridging" to work-- things like VeriBit and our next announcement. And those things often require more time than we imagined.

A lot of what we are building now isn't just software but part of the platform and ecosystem to make VeriCoin useful everywhere. One thing that is sorely needed (and we're working hard on) is getting a community foundation going that can help us where we need it: marketing, news releases with more reasonable timelines, etc. I would say that is our greatest deficit right now and one we are working on fixing. I also have spoken to the other devs about not releasing hints of new stuff until it's done, then delaying so we can get proper PR ready. It was a mistake in my opinion to even discuss the announcement set for last weekend before it was ready. Doug knows this now. One of the other issues is that one community member figured out vaguely what it was and started talking about it... so we need to keep things closer to ourselves until it's more mature next time.

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August 21, 2014, 06:20:27 PM
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Finally, it is not your business if I stay or go. Your cheerleaders pointed out last week that this is the Wilde West, don't cry and go way (which sentiment actually appears in your reply as well). That is hilarious, because if it is really the Wilde West as your cheerleeder brigade like to say then you should expect some gun fire when there are no delivery, broken promises, pump and scam in the air.


 One of the other issues is that one community member figured out vaguely what it was and started talking about it... so we need to keep things closer to ourselves until it's more mature next time.

This idiot. Who was it I want to write him an angry PM....   Grin

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