[ANN][VRC] VeriCoin Proof of Stake-Time Currency | New Roadmap Released

[lootz]

just ignore them and don't answer... its simple your feeding them.. i pledge to not answer any of those kids anymore..join in an pledge and stick to it and ignore!!

Welcome to the club, also I no longer mind because they help bring the price down so I can have more opportunities to buy cheap.

[AcidSplash]

Since I had already wasted my time, here it is:

I like it.

Before it went public I would fix "infraestructure" and "Staggerinly".

Otherwise I think it would reach certain people.

fix recommed to recommend. and VERICOIN is misspelled "VERICON" near the end.

[barabbas]

Since I had already wasted my time, here it is:

I like it.

Before it went public I would fix "infraestructure" and "Staggerinly".

Otherwise I think it would reach certain people.

Yep, there are other couple of things that need to be corrected of course, before going to the presses. And yes it is intended for that "certain" people. I did not want to post this any longer, remember? I only did to put in evidence the fuckery of some and the total ignorance of many.

[Shinraven]

Since I had already wasted my time, here it is:

So this is the famous paper you wrote - now before you go off & write off anyone, here are some tip for you even as you put it " a first grader graphic designer " should be able to know this

- use a spell checker

- never alter a logo with gradient, bevel , shadow , glow or whatever generic filter.

- tone of language " hate " conveys negative emotions

Then again this is your campaign, so as you were

[Xosihc]

Since I had already wasted my time, here it is:...

<barabbas image>

Hey barabbas, thanks for taking the time to put this together. The more people put themselves out there and add content to the community - the better off we will be. Keep it up!

[barabbas]

Since I had already wasted my time, here it is:

So this is the famous paper you wrote - now before you go off & write off anyone, here are some tip for you even as you put it " a first grader graphic designer " should be able to know this

- use a spell checker

- never alter a logo with gradient, bevel , shadow , glow or whatever generic filter.

- tone of language " hate " conveys negative emotions

Then again this is your campaign, so as you were

This was posted as such just to put in evidence your fuckery, as above. I didn't even read it twice, let alone use spell checker. Raw as raw can be.

Why not alter a logo that is, obviously, old and unatractive? That's your convention, no one else's.

The whole point of the flier is to hit where it hurts, with as negative an image as possible... towards banks, credit cards and the loss of value. This plays straight to the pockets after hitting the right emotions.

Correction: This WAS my campaign, when I proposed it. Now it is just a demonstration that you -and most others- do absolutely nothing, and prefer to do absolutely nothing, while I do what I say I will and it is something that could potentially have saved Vericoin.

Enough said.

[ereborltc]

I just want to say we are still on track with third party, it is just taking longer than I thought.  I broke one of our cardinal rules and set a timeline, and of course it had to be broken. Sorry for causing unnecessary confusion, we are still on track for announcement soon.

just so people don't have to search through all this rubbish for what matters
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[Monkeys]

I just want to say we are still on track with third party, it is just taking longer than I thought.  I broke one of our cardinal rules and set a timeline, and of course it had to be broken. Sorry for causing unnecessary confusion, we are still on track for announcement soon.

just so people don't have to search through all this rubbish for what matters
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Correction: You found the rubbish post 

[socal]

The Veri First coin assembled and ready to go 

Now only have to assemble the other 99 and compose and print the Certificates of Authenticity and they will be ready to ship so lets say about two weeks from now give or take

[barabbas]

not seen any pump or dump just decline.

same with alot of alts. and bitcoin too.

Knock on effects maybe.

I will just throw this question at you Monkey.

What if Vericoin does indeed beat all expectations for investors.

What then.

Not that I, obviously, give half a fuck about what you think or say, but to set the record straight, last week the coin rebounded 100%... coincidentally after I made the proposal of staging a World Vericoin Day on August 30th.

Of course the cause for such rebound would have been the announcement of having a booth at the Minnesota Fair, an event not only paralyzing the United Stakes with wall-to-wall coverage by CNN, MSNBC and Fox News, among others, that will compare only to the World Cup or the Olympics in coverage worldwide, so it must have been that instead...

Besides the point, in any case, since what cannot be denied is that the rebound DID HAPPEN and that no other coin rebounded even remotely close to 100%.

Perhaps of some interest also is that the coin stayed at the 12-14k level for a while before going back down when it was clear that no announcement/s were forthcoming... AND that no World Vericoin Day would be taking place.

Just setting the record straight for those with selective memory...

You are too funny.

If someone asked you your intentions for posting so many times a day what would you say?

Possibly that you are here to warn others to stay away? 

-----  That might be an acceptable response if you were a saint and really hated money but for the good of society feel it is your duty to save the masses from themselves.  ( Remember you stated you have a stake in vrc, but in the same breath stated you don't lie so it must be that you hate money and desperately want others to catch on to your words of wisdom before you sell your remaining vrc. )


Another possibility is that you do in fact lie and are like everyone else trying to fud a coin to a point you feel comfortable buying at.  But again you did state you don't lie so that can't possibly be your motivation.


So that brings me back to you hate money and are waiting to sell your vrc only after everyone else has had a chance to act on your multiple posts and sell first.

I mean I can see people posting negative comments about something they own, heck I have done so, and can be constructive.  Maybe a post or 2 to warn others not to get caught up in what you feel is a mistake you just made, I have done that also.  But I would argue the volume of your posts and the shear amount of time you spend on posting negative comments about something you say you still own is again, either sainthood or a mental disorder.


Hmm maybe things ahve changed since you were asked why you are still here and you posted because you still have a stake in vrc?  If that is the case, did you finally sell after saving everyone from their own shortcomings of not knowing everything unlike you and I?

If it is the later, I guess it brings back the question why are you still here if you see no value, have no stake and are not interested in buying some back lower?

Waiting eagerly for your eloquent rebuttal and condescending reply.

Thanks in advance

In all that "examination" that you did, you forgot the most important thing to even begin to understand anything related to me: That you are not me. As a matter of fact, I can assure you that you are as far away from who I am, for good, bad and in-between, as anyone can be. I would tray to use a metaphor to make you perhaps understand the difference in levels... but lets just say that I am much older than you are and leave it at that. Nothing that I do, from your standpoint, can be understood by you, no more that the reaction of Mork (nanu nanu) would be understandable to you.

That said, I have stated many times that I believe this coin could get much bigger relevance if properly managed and marketed. In other words, I see the potential of this projects way beyond what you and other cheerleading boys do. I have stated many times that a team that set the new standards for transparency in crypto and that, so far, has acted with honesty setting also a new standard for crypto in that department, could go a long way... under the proper premises. I have stated the quality of those premises, also, many times. That is why, until last week, I invested in VRC what for me is a significant amount. That is easy to understand, isn't it?

Fast forward to today and, still with my investment (traded the spike but bought back half of what I sold shortly after), and I have lost the faith that I had. As I have explained, and posted, NOT because the announcement is singular instead of plural after all -although that has influenced my perception, of course-, or because it was miscalculated and did not arrive on time or "on track" as Doug likes to say, but because the dev team and the community is absolutely blind and, in my opinion, will seal the fate of the coin into oblivion in a very short period of time. They still want to believe that doing nothing -oh they are "working hard", of course- or doing things of no substance whatsoever, is going to keep the coin going at whatever level. I fully disagree and believe that it will sink and keep on sinking. So I am counting on some losses, when all is said and done, but how I get rid of my stake in VRC is for me to decide in where and for how much.

Don't even try to understand, like I said.

[barabbas]

Delusional would be to imagine that the rants for and against VRC posted here could in any way encourage people to do anything other than avoid this thread. Best arguement I've ever seen for moderating threads.

Anyone slightly discerning should be able to tell FUD trolling from geniune criticism. That seems to be one of the main problems with VRC bagholders. Any criticism of the devs, the community, anything related to VRC is immediately shot down and dismissed as FUD which is intended to push the price down to pick up cheap coins or steer money towards other coins.

This is not my intention here. I am here mainly to criticise the devs and to alert people to what I believe their true ulterior motives are with VRC just based on my observations, and partly just for my own amusement  .

Nobody seems to want to discuss the questionable actions that the devs have made in the past, and continue to make here that would benefit the devs and ONLY the devs (and perhaps anyone privy to their actual plans).

Call it conspiracy theory, call it FUD, call it what you want. I say that there is something fishy going on with VRC, and the devs are behind it..

Still nobody has told me where the 200k VRC that Pat transferred to exchanges after the rollback, went?

Still nobody cares to question why the devs are giving news, allowing pumps, and then going quiet and allowing the price to fall again?

Regarding the highlighted question, I have received, via PM, an "explanation" and the assurance that Nosker did not benefit, or transacted, with those 200k VRC. I put the word "explanation" in quotes because, as explanations go, this one did not even pass the "e", for it made no sense whatsoever. But perhaps you'll have better luck if you asks Nosker via PM. He, apparently, has no problem given the "explanation" by that via instead of the general forum, even though he says it was 100% altruistic (which I believe, strangely enough).

I believe you are wrong when you say "...giving news, allowing pumps..." As a matter of fact I disagree completely. Nosker TRIED to pump the price by announcing "announcements" BEFORE the weekend (plural and timeline wise). It had no effects whatsoever, none. And the coin was hitting the lows since inception. It was, in my view, his only possible way to try to stop the spiral, to do "something". And, obviously had no effect, as stated.

Other than with the chorus line here, they, the devs, have no pull whatsoever because everyone and his aunt know they have nothing to bring to the table with enough substance to rise the price. They don't even have the time to dedicate to the coin, so no actual development of any kind is taking place or has taken place in many weeks now. Some "deal" seem to be forthcoming that I can assure you at the peril or being wrong that won't be more significant than another link to another third party. Face it: It's honesty and transparency. And that's it.

Enough? I don't think so. At all.

[barabbas]

The Veri First coin assembled and ready to go 

Now only have to assemble the other 99 and compose and print the Certificates of Authenticity and they will be ready to ship so lets say about two weeks from now give or take

Now we are saved! I will be able to sell my VRC for at least triple the current price in no time!!!!!!

[setup]

Wow, I just got up and have to read seven sites of disputing. That has nothing to do with community. If we keep on like this, we destroy the devs work.

You can think about Barrabas whatever you want but he's right in many points. Let's take the good things out of his long posts  and forget the rest.
In his paper he gave people a lot of arguments to be interested in VERICOIN that I don't find on the VRC Website. Apropos Website: how many of you have already put a link on their Website, FB and mail signature. That are the basics we can and should do.
 
Just a few excited people like the devs, Xosihc, Reavon, Kevondo, Socal and even Barrabas aren't enough to win the fight. We all have to do what is necessary, that's what is called a "community"

[barabbas]

Wow, I just got up and have to read seven sites of disputing. That has nothing to do with community. If we keep on like this, we destroy the devs work.

You can think about Barrabas whatever you want but he's right in many points. Let's take the good things out of his long posts  and forget the rest.
In his paper he gave people a lot of arguments to be interested in VERICOIN that I don't find on the VRC Website. Apropos Website: how many of you have already put a link on their Website, FB and mail signature. That are the basics we can and should do.
 
Just a few excited people like the devs, Xosihc, Reavon, Kevondo, Socal and even Barrabas aren't enough to win the fight. We all have to do what is necessary, that's what is called a "community"

Once again, I disagree. Completely, of course. First of all, the community rarely participate in these forums, only a few loudmouths. Sadly, in most cases, with nothing to say.l Nor should the community necessarily participate in the forums. It should participate FUNDING projects that are worthwhile. And staking. And in the later, they do. In spades.

As for the "excited" people it isn't that it isn't enough... the core of the matter is that some of those would do much better not doing anything because, frankly, they slow the pace of, worse, try to take the project in the wrong direction, distracting, confusing or rerouting... That said, the dev team should have clear and sharp as a whistle what the path to follow is, what the goals are and not stray into the nonsense they have and contionue having. The dev doesn't have neither the time, nor the dedication, nor the focus, nor the enthusiasm, let al,one the drive that is needed to take this project to the highest levels it can get. It is not surprising that, consequently, nothing is done or, worse, the most absurd things are done.

You point out the obvious... that no one so far has bothered to even see, let alone point out: For anyone not already somewhat familiar with crypto, the website, including it's most sensible content, Doug's paper, has the same effect as it was written in esperanto. Totally meaningless. Totally lacking purpose. Just another conventional copy paste hack with different graphics.

So, to put it straight, those enthusiastic, or excited, but toxic, should not do anything. More pointedly, those who lack the ...equipment to do anything, should do nothing. That includes a couple or three in that sentence of yours... and many others not mentioned too. Will and "excitement" will not make you or anyone run the 100 meters in under 12 seconds, get my meaning?

[Monkeys]

Delusional would be to imagine that the rants for and against VRC posted here could in any way encourage people to do anything other than avoid this thread. Best arguement I've ever seen for moderating threads.

Anyone slightly discerning should be able to tell FUD trolling from geniune criticism. That seems to be one of the main problems with VRC bagholders. Any criticism of the devs, the community, anything related to VRC is immediately shot down and dismissed as FUD which is intended to push the price down to pick up cheap coins or steer money towards other coins.

This is not my intention here. I am here mainly to criticise the devs and to alert people to what I believe their true ulterior motives are with VRC just based on my observations, and partly just for my own amusement  .

Nobody seems to want to discuss the questionable actions that the devs have made in the past, and continue to make here that would benefit the devs and ONLY the devs (and perhaps anyone privy to their actual plans).

Call it conspiracy theory, call it FUD, call it what you want. I say that there is something fishy going on with VRC, and the devs are behind it..

Still nobody has told me where the 200k VRC that Pat transferred to exchanges after the rollback, went?

Still nobody cares to question why the devs are giving news, allowing pumps, and then going quiet and allowing the price to fall again?

Regarding the highlighted question, I have received, via PM, an "explanation" and the assurance that Nosker did not benefit, or transacted, with those 200k VRC. I put the word "explanation" in quotes because, as explanations go, this one did not even pass the "e", for it made no sense whatsoever. But perhaps you'll have better luck if you asks Nosker via PM. He, apparently, has no problem given the "explanation" by that via instead of the general forum, even though he says it was 100% altruistic (which I believe, strangely enough).

I believe you are wrong when you say "...giving news, allowing pumps..." As a matter of fact I disagree completely. Nosker TRIED to pump the price by announcing "announcements" BEFORE the weekend (plural and timeline wise). It had no effects whatsoever, none. And the coin was hitting the lows since inception. It was, in my view, his only possible way to try to stop the spiral, to do "something". And, obviously had no effect, as stated.

Other than with the chorus line here, they, the devs, have no pull whatsoever because everyone and his aunt know they have nothing to bring to the table with enough substance to rise the price. They don't even have the time to dedicate to the coin, so no actual development of any kind is taking place or has taken place in many weeks now. Some "deal" seem to be forthcoming that I can assure you at the peril or being wrong that won't be more significant than another link to another third party. Face it: It's honesty and transparency. And that's it.

Enough? I don't think so. At all.

I like your thinking Barrabas. I may not agree with everything you say, or the delivery, but I do like the way you think in general.

So, would you care to enlighten us about what Pat's 'intentions' were with the 200k VRC and how they could possibly be of any benefit to VRC to have them on an exchange rather than in his wallet??

I literally can not think of any reason that he would transfer the coins to an exchange if he did not intend to sell them there.. I am open to suggestion, but I feel that any explanation will be a stretch at best..

I must say I disagree with your assessment of how little control over the VRC price the devs have. If you look at this chart:



The announcement said "There will be a big secret announcement made BY THE END OF THE WEEK". So, naturally people are going to anticipate the announcement and start to buy BEFORE the announcement is made... Since the price was still dropping most people would be wise to wait for it to stabilise after the initial "pre-ann" and then buy in awaiting the announcement, which is what I believe this chart shows.

This was further reinforced by Pats tweet on the 114th "This weekend could be exciting.", this was mid-pump, just reinforcing the incentive to buy in anticipation of the announcement.

Then obviously there was a massive dump and the price has been steadily declining since. Now back to roughly 9k.

Now, the reason this can happen is because a lot of people BELIEVE that VRC CAN succeed. Just take a look at this thread, it has some of the highest traffic of any crypto thread. I think that MOST people believe that VRC will rise again, they are just waiting for the right time to buy back in.

Basically, everyone is just watching, waiting for the next big announcement or release from VRC which will start the price rising again.

So, what that means is that the devs currently have a huge influence on the market. I for one believe they know this and are capitalising on this. I mean lets face it they aren't stupid, and they obviously like money. So why would they not want to capitalise on it?

One might argue that it would be better for them to just improve the coin overall and go for long term profits with their VRC bags that they hold. Well, I believe that they don't have much upcoming in the near future and they are looking for a way to profit from VRC in the short term with the little news that they do have.

It looks like they will be able to get TWO pumps out of this one announcement once it is finally made (if it is any good that is). The next pump will come immediately after the next announcement, which will come once the price drops to 8k or so again.

So, I'll now take off my tinfoil hat to discuss my assessment with anyone who would like to point out why my assessment is wrong?

[ereborltc]

barabbas or monkey , do either of you own any vericoin?

[Monkeys]

barabbas or monkey , do either of you own any vericoin?

Not currently, but I do intend to buy some before the next pump.

I'll wait for 8k, that's my buy point.

Do you care to discuss or do you just intend to dismiss my comments because I don't currently hold any VRC?

[ereborltc]

barabbas or monkey , do either of you own any vericoin?

Not currently, but I do intend to buy some before the next pump.

I'll wait for 8k, that's my buy point.

Do you care to discuss or do you just intend to dismiss my comments because I don't currently hold any VRC?

no just was curious..

[H4Y35]

Why the hell are people still replying to these two clowns? Dang, it feels like i'm reading spam when I look at their posts - long, dumb and ugly looking (kinda like that inartistic, unintelligible paper barabbas wrote). Can people stop feeding them please? Last few days its been alright, then mr. barabbas and that monkey guy come back on and it's a fucking spam fest, long, irritant posts that are a pain in the ass to even scroll through, let alone read.

[barabbas]

Monkeys:

I will gladly do that since, tin foil hat excluded, you are much more sensible and critical thinker than the vast majority here.

First, like I said, I had sort of an explanation by Nosker, that I believe was true, although, like yourself, I fail to see the purpose of the transfer. If it is not enough for you, I once again, ask you to contact him via PM and I am sure he can copy/paste his answer to me, something I prefer not to do since, unbelievably, he doesn't seem to like to explain his altruistic intentions publicly. Once again, I believe him and his intentions although, on logical examination, they make no sense. Many of the things that Nosker has done regarding VRC make no sense. And many that he has NOT done, make even less sense (that he did not do them). You can file that in the arrogance/inexperience container, if you will.

The graphic that you posted does not, I repeat, does NOT, illustrate what happened: The "announcement of the announcements" took place much earlier than the 14th. And, as the graphic shows, achieved NOTHING. Like I have stated in a previous post, it was a rather desperate attempt by Nosker to stop the downside spiral of the price that had just gotten under 8k for the first time since launch. The price remained at the 8 level for quite a while and it was only after the announcement of the Minnesota Fair both, that I enthusiastically supported, followed by my proposal of the World Vericoin Day that the whole despair-filled content of this forum changed completely and the price spiked up to a max of just a few sat below 16k, de facto doubling from the lows of that very 24-hour period. I stated them that a sell off was inevitable considering the incredible gains of the last few hours but that the sell off would not take the coin down much. The "interesting weekend" tweet by Patrick came AFTER the top of almost 16 had been reached with the coin slowly stabilizing for many hours between 14 and 15th. No effect whatsoever, either. Not the initial one and neither this one. That's how it all happened.

I also disagree with you regarding "pumping". I believe the devs should do the best they can -which in this case is next to nothing- to prop up the perception of the investment community. There's absolutely nothing wrong with announcing some significant event in the near future, on the contrary. What is not acceptable is calling "significant" something that is utter nonsense. For instance, calling the moolah deal something significant. This is nothing new, by the way, so you don't need to be a visionary to figure it out: For months, Blackcoin pumped (of course serving the wishes of The Black Hand) the "moolah-like deal". When people realized what it was -and people realize these things pretty quickly- they gave absolutely no value to a link to a third party, just like they didn't give any to Vericoin's wallet link to moolah, so just observing what has happened before you can easily anticipated what in identical circumstances will happen to you... except if you are an arrogant ignorant that believes the same actions will produce different results just because you are involved (please note the delicate change of words: I have replaced with "ignorant" a less sensitive adjective in the original).

There are other examples that one would have expected people of relatively decent brain capacity to serve as a learning experience. The Chicago event, for instance. Or the Bitcoin Center event. Numero uno, nothing in terms of images, came out of those that was of any use. Anyone half decent at knowing what the point was, would have obtained a lot of images, including video, that would have conveyed the idea of "great interest". Zilch. Nada: On the contrary, what the few images available convey is the idea of some nerdy, deplorable meet with a few non interested losers looking for handouts. A VERY few of those, even. No excitement, no interest, no fun... NO-THING. And, of course, no lesson learned either. Sad, very sad.

One final thought that you may find usable and it is just my opinion based on perception and common sense: The entire stake of the three devs will be worth, currently, a maximum of $50k. If that. They enjoy this too much to exchange it for such paltry cash out. Furthermore, they do not need the cash. Not that paltry amount -roughly $15k each- and neither much more than that. So no, they are not benefiting at all of any "pumps". They, believe it or not, are enjoying this. It feeds their egos. They love the kiss ass "adoration" of the hard core choir boys. And love, even much more, the general adoration of the bagholders when the coin goes up in price, which they still believe will happen as a natural reaction to their greatness, even without doing anything. They love the whole shebang here, it is worth for them much, much more than $15k that they don't need and that will change absolutely nothing in their lives. In other words, they love the status quo because they cannot do nothing to change it for the better and trust no one, regardless, to take what they perceive to be a risk. That's why they don't set the path straight, they want to please the Litecoin guy, and the guys that ask them for anon. And for decentralized exchanges. And... anything but to set the only clear, workable path that would distinguish Vericon from the others and would give it a relevance and a meaning to survive... at the expense, of course, of those who keep asking for those things that every other coin either already has -and have tanked and fail in spite of it- or is in the process of implementing. The devs don't want VRC to succeed, they want it to be part of the pack, whether the entire pack survives or not.