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August 19, 2014, 07:29:30 AM
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Firstly, cheers for the compliment on my critical thinking etc. It is good to see someone here who can have a discussion or even an "argument" while remaining civil.

I know that you attribute the recent pump to the WVD and the Minnesota fair idea. I still maintain that the pump was coming from the moment the Vericoin devs made the "announcement announcement" on the 11th (see the line I drew?). The WVD and Minnesota discussions in this thread on the 13-14th probably helped to reinforce the message that things were looking up for VRC at the time, but I believe that without that tweet, that pump would not have happened..

Also Pat's tweet was made at 8:42 am - 14 Aug 2014. I don't know what timezone that is compared to what shows on Mintpal, but I would hazard a guess that the tweet was made around the beginning-middle of the pump. Prime time to reinforce the pump IMO.

You say that you are surprised by what Pat has NOT been doing. Well have you considered that perhaps if my assessment is correct, and that the devs have more influence on the market with their announcements than you give credit for, then maybe Pat (and others) are staying quiet during the times where they want people to lose faith and sell the price down so that they can buy in again at a low price for the next pump??

Also, you mentioned the dev's bags of VRC they hold and that they haven't dumped them etc. Sure that may be true, but that doesn't stop them from trading large amounts of VRC on exchanges does it?

If I were the devs, I would be just waiting a little longer for the price to drop again to around 8k, buying as much as I can afford and then spinning the shit out of whatever announcement it is they have in store and hyping it up as MUCH as i could.

But that's just me because I am not stupid, and I like money..



The timeline is not in discussion. It is what I told you it is. Pat's tweets had no influence whatsoever. Same as Doug's posts here. In case you haven't noticed, the market continues speaking loud and clear about what it expects from the announcement when it comes. Furthermore, it is saying, quite clearly, that they don't believe the dev team has any play in the future. The price is not sinking even lower yet because the weaker hands in the community are hoping there will be some kind of rebound when the announcement is made. Only because of that. And no one, but no one is buying, obviously, even at these levels.

In other words, people knows there's NOTHING to be expected here of any significance. Not through the announcement, not through upcoming developments. This is a ship without helm.
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August 19, 2014, 07:49:34 AM
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The timeline is not in discussion. It is what I told you it is. Pat's tweets had no influence whatsoever. Same as Doug's posts here. In case you haven't noticed, the market continues speaking loud and clear about what it expects from the announcement when it comes. Furthermore, it is saying, quite clearly, that they don't believe the dev team has any play in the future. The price is not sinking even lower yet because the weaker hands in the community are hoping there will be some kind of rebound when the announcement is made. Only because of that. And no one, but no one is buying, obviously, even at these levels.

In other words, people knows there's NOTHING to be expected here of any significance. Not through the announcement, not through upcoming developments. This is a ship without helm.

The timeline was in discussion because you says that Pats tweet "exciting week for VRC" was AFTER the pump, which is incorrect as it was actually early in the pump, prime time to reinforce it IMO. You say that Pats tweet had no effect? Well that is your opinion, it is not necessarily a fact.

I wouldn't have expected an immediate response to the "announcement announcement" on the 11th. I myself predicted a pump on the 14-15th in anticipation of the actual announcement, I was just off by one day in that it came slightly earlier (I was asleep for it too an awoke right when it hit 14k), had missed the boat.

Anyways, that's my take on the situation. I believe the devs know exactly what they are doing and time their announcements perfectly (for them). It seems that there are others here that agree with my assessment too.

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August 19, 2014, 07:56:11 AM
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I don't know what your intention is Barabbas, Monkeys and some others who are trying to talk Vericoin down. To ask critical questions is one thing but to repeat the same negative stuff like a mantra can only have one reason: to damage VRC.

Vericoin is just 3 month old, the devs haven't had any experiences to develope and promote a coin. Of course they made mistakes. As long as they learn from it it's okay. That's called evolution.

Barabbas, you wrote that you also invested in VRC. So why do you want it to fail? You seem to be such a smart man, with good ideas and a lot of background knowledge. I cannot understand why you waste your energy to hurt the whole community. If my sons football coach would only talk about the mistakes the team made instead of motivating them, they would never win.
So why don't you help to strengthen the community and VERICOIN instead of talking it down?

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August 19, 2014, 08:06:02 AM
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Wow, barabbas, for someone who has been preaching salvation to us, and how " YOUR " plan to resurrect vrc with

a single page pamphlet, I'm thinking you did a piss poor job with your design. You admit its not a final copy ( and

we thank the coin gods for that ). Perhaps instead of once again praising yourself and trashing everyone else, you

could have spent a few extra minutes to do some refining on your presentation.

 I,myself, if I were to have made such a bold and "proud" statement of saving this coin, would have had the BALLS to

make something that made at least some sense. Great attack on the regular financial world though. What good is a link

to vericoin,when your propaganda sheet makes people think that whoever wrote it is a fucking wack job that has a 9

years old education. If I was handed this on the street, or at a trade show or where ever,I'd either toss it back in

your face, throw it in the trash, or take it home for emergency toilet paper. This POS pamphlet would hurt vrc more

than it would ever help....

If and when you realize that your salvation has failed here, and you then pretend to go to Pinkcoin or wherever to

"help" them with your salvation, at least you wont have much to change on the pamphlet..just delete the poorly done

logo, and replace vericoin, what, maybe 3 times with what ever coin?
 
A pamphlet should be nothing but praise for what your representing, and not through a weblink. You have got peoples

attention when you hand it to them. Don't spout off about pure financial negativity and then mention the coin as an

after thought. Your mouth and typing sarcastic rants must be clouding your creative workflow.

For someone wanting to help this coin along, you sure do bring it down, A LOT.

Maybe you should really explain to all of us  people what your true motives are for honoring us with your wisdom ? Or perhaps I should say rather for those you have snowballed and blindsided with your twisted words.

Have you thought about getting involved in politics? You would fit right in with all those forked tongued assholes who talk from both sides of their mouths, and talk for hours but never say a fucking thing.
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August 19, 2014, 08:18:09 AM
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Since I had already wasted my time, here it is:




LMFAO  Grin

Since I had already wasted my time, here it is:


You certainly did that, if this is indeed, what you have been vowing to produce over the last two weeks.
People are here, and already into digital currency "because of the state of fiat and most already know" about your facts.

WVD. I urge and plead with you. Please don't go ahead with this.  Undecided


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August 19, 2014, 08:26:45 AM
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Why is there so much hate in this forum ?
Damn. We need more love in here.
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August 19, 2014, 08:30:41 AM
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Since I had already wasted my time, here it is:




LMFAO  Grin

Sorry Wreathy,
but all you do is keeping the struggle alive. The paper is far away from beeing perfect, but you can take some good arguments out of it if you talk to someone about Vericoin.

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August 19, 2014, 08:37:55 AM
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Yes guys can we please stop re-quoting the walls of text/pics and perhaps be a bit more congenial
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August 19, 2014, 08:39:13 AM
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Since I had already wasted my time, here it is:




LMFAO  Grin

Sorry Wreathy,
but all you do is keeping the struggle alive. The paper is far away from beeing perfect, but you can take some good arguments out of it if you talk to someone about Vericoin.

Regards,
Michael

Me too such disappointment cant spell and something a 12 year old could of whacked up.  
But yea some good points, but as I said above people in digital currency already know the state of decay with fiat.

Barrabbas the Messiah will save us no doubt.

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August 19, 2014, 09:40:58 AM
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Since I had already wasted my time, here it is:


LMFAO  Grin

Sorry Wreathy,
but all you do is keeping the struggle alive. The paper is far away from beeing perfect, but you can take some good arguments out of it if you talk to someone about Vericoin.

Regards,
Michael

Me too such disappointment cant spell and something a 12 year old could of whacked up.  
But yea some good points, but as I said above people in digital currency already know the state of decay with fiat.

Barrabbas the Messiah will save us no doubt.

Are you really this stupid? Barrabas made this flyer for the audience that never heard about crypto currencies. The world day or whatever they call it is by definition to bring new people into crypto.
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August 19, 2014, 09:59:12 AM
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Besides all drama, which I do not have time or will to read through, I just see people that worked/invested hard (each on his/her own capacity) for this coin being hurt because... reality is obvious and just cannot be neglected.

I myself, must admit being a bagholder (most of my purchases happened in the mid 30's low 40's) from the time when VeriSMS launched and the coin presented a bright future. I know just a couple months passed but looks like an eternity.

Vericoin was my first investment in crypto, and I guess most of you will understand, I keep a special feeling with this coin.

Despite still being holding, would lie if I say I am not worry with the current situation, therefore I would like to kindly (and why not, a bit naively) ask to the devs:

We were promised certain announcements for the fall of the past week which none were delivered.
Despite all the hide'n'seek pump games being played in crypto (applies to every coin of course, mind you) I want the devs to know that many holders are quite pissed with this methodology.

If you still have any resemblance of professionalism, please notify the community what's in process, if anything. If nothing, better at least man up and admit it so people can create exit strategies that will harm the coin as little as possible instead of panic dump which will hurt even more.

Thanks.

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August 19, 2014, 10:08:34 AM
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Hi Eth,

I've never spent that much time on my PC than during the last weekend, because I also wanted to know what secret they come up with.
But if there are different people or groups involved who don't want it to become published before the end of the negotiations, I can accept it. The mistake was to fix the date of the announcement. But hey, if it's something really big - who cares if it takes another week. I see it positive, so I can buy more cheap VRC  Cheesy
Be patient, I'm sure the do their job.

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Besides all drama, which I do not have time or will to read through, I just see people that worked/invested hard (each on his/her own capacity) for this coin being hurt because... reality is obvious and just cannot be neglected.

I myself, must admit being a bagholder (most of my purchases happened in the mid 30's low 40's) from the time when VeriSMS launched and the coin presented a bright future. I know just a couple months passed but looks like an eternity.

Vericoin was my first investment in crypto, and I guess most of you will understand, I keep a special feeling with this coin.

Despite still being holding, would lie if I say I am not worry with the current situation, therefore I would like to kindly (and why not, a bit naively) ask to the devs:

We were promised certain announcements for the fall of the past week which none were delivered.
Despite all the hide'n'seek pump games being played in crypto (applies to every coin of course, mind you) I want the devs to know that many holders are quite pissed with this methodology.

If you still have any resemblance of professionalism, please notify the community what's in process, if anything. If nothing, better at least man up and admit it so people can create exit strategies that will harm the coin as little as possible instead of panic dump which will hurt even more.

Thanks.

Eth.

Apart from Barrabas' stand-up comedy posts and for very different reasons this is one of the best posts I have ever read on this thread. I was wondering too, where is the professional pride of the PhD boys.
I hope you will get the answer from the boys and not only the usual reassurance from enthusiastic community members like Micheal who already has answered.
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August 19, 2014, 10:27:16 AM
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Hi Eth,

I've never spent that much time on my PC than during the last weekend, because I also wanted to know what secret they come up with.
But if there are different people or groups involved who don't want it to become published before the end of the negotiations, I can accept it. The mistake was to fix the date of the announcement. But hey, if it's something really big - who cares if it takes another week. I see it positive, so I can buy more cheap VRC  Cheesy
Be patient, I'm sure the do their job.

Regards,
Michael

Hi Michael.

I understand and respect your opinion, and I am sure you will also understand that there is a variable that will define the level of annoyance that this situation implies for some.

This variable simply consists in that the longer you are holding VRC bags, the biggest the gap that separate the price where you entered and where we are now, the longer you see overhyped specs fading into nothing, underdelivered promises causing more and more disappointment, and so on, the less patience you have.

Therefore my post.

Eth.

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August 19, 2014, 10:27:28 AM
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I see it positive, so I can buy more cheap VRC  Cheesy

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Michael

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I see it positive, so I can buy more cheap VRC  Cheesy

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Michael

Only a facepalm is appropriate here.



Hi zsp,

I cannot speed up the negotiations, so I have to see it positive. And for me the positive aspect actually is the cheap price. For me it's a chance to get more VRC and I will buy it as long as it's cheap because I still TRUST the devs and the community, otherwise I wouldn't be here.

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August 19, 2014, 10:44:44 AM
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Congrats, guys. The VeriCoin Community has derailed this thread as well as any FUDsters or haters ever could have. Any new people coming here and reading this shit will want nothing to do with this coin right now. It wouldn't surprise me if Barbaras intentionally made his "flyer" look like it was written by a 5 year-old for the sole purpose of provoking you guys. If that's the case, it seems to have worked rather well.

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August 19, 2014, 10:48:24 AM
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Why not move over to the Veritalk forum? It seems it'd be beneficial for both the forum and the community. 
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August 19, 2014, 10:55:57 AM
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If a small coin project such as BitStar can be rolling out in-wallet FIAT/BITS trading https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=574652.msg8431887#msg8431887 , albeit not currently p2p but still in-wallet, why is VRC still not at least at that point?

Genuine question from a genuine VRC supporter.


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Congrats, guys. The VeriCoin Community has derailed this thread as well as any FUDsters or haters ever could have. Any new people coming here and reading this shit will want nothing to do with this coin right now. It wouldn't surprise me if Barbaras intentionally made his "flyer" look like it was written by a 5 year-old for the sole purpose of provoking you guys. If that's the case, it seems to have worked rather well.

I'm taking a break; catch ya'll on the flip side.

Fear Uncertainty and Doubt = FUD.

The Developers, by constantly missing deadlines have done everything in their power to create the FUD. beit not intentionally. Though at this point, many have come to realize that a deadline means "maybe". And that to never expect the moon from any release from a VRC dev. It always sounds better than when you see it. And trust me, you will always hear about it before you see it. That's the way these guys do business.

They created Fear through constantly underwhelming, and over promising. The price decline took us back to pre-pump levels. and RIGHTLY so. Nothing materialized of significance, but I digress here. Uncertainty about the project, what it is, where its going, how it will get there. Doubt that we have the ability to create anything valuable, and have the ability to follow through with great execution.

I am sorry, and as much as the trolls are mostly a group of loud children. Just because you have been one of the most generous people with your time / money. Don't let that cloud your ability to think rationally. Are you happy with the Pump/Execution of anything over the past few months? Really think about it. Don't think of it from a viewpoint you carry now. Look at it from a viewpoint of who is the community that is going to come in and take this thing to the next level? We tried to get mainstream people here, but even "mainstream" people don't care for failure, let downs, and being outright manipulated time, and time again by the core developers pump tactic promises. (Looking mostly @Pnosker via twitter from June to into July.)

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