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August 21, 2014, 09:00:41 PM
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Technically speaking this is not true. I had a chat about it with some BTC developers on the other day. I heard again what they always say, actually they would be happy to see sensible blockchain 2 features e.g smart contracts on the BTC blockchain. All they did, as you know reduced the OP_RETURN output to 40 bytes to make the whole thing a bit sensible and avoid to implement dropbox type of apps on the blockchain. As I can see you do have OP_RETURN output on your source so nothing stopping you to implement blockchain 2 features. You are just not interested in that, you are working on same lame user name feature (which has nothing to dowith blockchain 2) and you are working on your mass worldwide adoption theme.

David is working on some 2.0 features, but we think having the world using VeriCoin will be much more valuable than a few people using smart contracts now. We're also still working with a decentralized exchange/smart contracts system.

40 bytes is not very large... we could tweak it with a mandatory update, but blockchain bloat is a serious issue. By the way, blockchain 2.0 does include usernames.

Sorry you don't like the whole mass adoption theme. That was something we stated as a theme (and we aren't going to quit our goals there) from the get-go. And that's also why our first features were VeriSMS and VeriBit. Because they make things easier for others.

We don't want VeriCoin to be an "altcoin" but rather VeriCoin-- a coin people don't relate to altcoins because it's bigger than that.
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I understand what you guys want to achieve and make Vericoin something that is a payment system.

But we should at discuss which way VRC will take.
It smart to say we don't want to be another coin beside BTC and LTC just be VRC.


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important: Utility, ease-of-use, and mass adoption.

But I don't see VRC becoming accepted by the public/Merchants as a payment. VRC will bite their teethes out if they want to compete with BTC / LTC / Dodgecoin even DRK. They all want to become ease to use and mass adopted. In the end Innovation doesn't make it currently more attractive for merchants because the standard coins are already much more wide spread ,known and just work fine for as a currency.

We have to think about other ways to become widespread by supporting BTC as a payment and provide services that are unique and not possible with bitcoin.
-I see that VeriSMS took a lot of time to work, but it's hard to use (Nobody wants to write a Wallet address in an SMS) on top Bitcoin has this implementation already: Coinbase Blockchain.info or even 37Coins.
- New wallet UI is nice and helps a lot to get new users the use them. But in the end there is still no lite Wallet is needed.
- Smart Contracts are also great, but  Ethereum will be the prime predator when it comes to this. They are not just creating a blockchain 2 but also active regarding legal issues and so on.


In my eyes Vericoin has currently PoS + VerBit as a special.

a decentralized exchange based on the Blockchain combined with Veribank could become a golden Egg.

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August 21, 2014, 09:02:53 PM
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if you leave out the MP hack followed by the rollback, VRC is still one of the best coins out there.

I mean our community is really big and on top active. There many people constantly submitting new ideas. Beside DRK I don't know any coin community which is so active. Even Litecoin is quiet compared to VRC.

We will see. The potential is still big, but it will take a lot of patience to get big.

I'm down 75% - not wise enough to put stop loss.. but IMHO, this lower price makes it easier to convince new investors to buy in..and I have not lost faith price will rebound.. been in bitcoin for 2 years and have tried to convince friends and families and acquaintances but they still find it hard to use, and they still don't have the patience to learn it. I agree with the devs' goal to have this mass adopted and used first..and it is important not to lose sight of that.

Instead of bitching here which some do, i respectfully would suggest that you sell your vericoins and trade other cartel pump and dump coins.. you might achieve more happiness

EDIT: i put in 32 btc all in all and its down to 75% now

So you have now what's worth 8 BTC or you have what's worth 24 BTC?

Either way yoshi, common sense, a very, very elemental one, would dictate that you are not equipped to give advice to anyone... on anything?

I bet those friends and family would pay much more attention to what you say and make much bigger efforts is instead of losing 75% of what you put in, you would have doubled your initial investment a couple times. Makes sense, doesn't it?
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August 21, 2014, 09:07:17 PM
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We're going to keep focusing on what we think is important: Utility, ease-of-use, and mass adoption. That's what we have built and that's what we are continuing to work on.

Thanks for confirming, that was my point: there are many disappointed investors and community members, because they assumed your academic training come with less stubbornness, more flexibility and adaptability, and you are willing to react when your theme is not accepted by the market. Your theme is not good. It failed. The market don't like your theme and direction, that's why your coin is 9.5k as we speak and your volume is 7 BTC in Bittrex. The market has spoken, but you are not listening. I guess that's the arrogance of youth that Barrabas has pointed out. This community including me had been asking for weeks please consider blockchain 2 development, you just simply ignore it. I fully understand the implication of the undertaking such a massive development task - on the other hand as we can see 1-2 developers of other coins can role out blockchain 2 features. Many investors/community members hoped you are capable to pull out such development, it seems you are not, and therefore there are disappointed investors/community members - more importantly, there are no new investors.

To be frank, they aren't the same kind of coin by any stretch of the imagination. VIA/Ether/etc. started after the BTC developers requested 2.0 activities not be used on the chain as it was bloating it. VeriCoin is becoming a currency that is easy to use for everyone with utility. We are working on different types of things than VIA/ETHER/etc.

Technically speaking this is not true. I had a chat about it with some BTC developers on the other day. I heard again what they always say, actually they would be happy to see sensible blockchain 2 features e.g smart contracts on the BTC blockchain. All they did, as you know reduced the OP_RETURN output to 40 bytes to make the whole thing a bit sensible and avoid to implement dropbox type of apps on the blockchain. As I can see you do have OP_RETURN output on your source so nothing stopping you to implement blockchain 2 features. You are just not interested in that, you are working on same lame user name feature (which has nothing to dowith blockchain 2) and you are working on your mass worldwide adoption theme.




I'm getting so bored with all the shit you write. You've been on here for 10 hours staight, talking crap. Are you really that dull that you don't have a life?  Grow the fuck up.

Fuck off you brainless cheerleader and find some better other activity than monitoring my posts. Get loss.

I'm not monitoring your posts and I don't hold any VRC - I'm keeping update on news across crypto. But you seem to have writen close to 15,000 words on total tripe in this thread over the last day, like you just woke up and sat at your screen hitting refresh.Take a break, enjoy your friends, go grab a beer. This reall isn't that important.

I agree, its like these guys are writing dissertations for their degrees.
Paragraphs of total drivel, they complain about people 'cheerleading', yet what they do is embarrassing.

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August 21, 2014, 09:16:16 PM
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We're going to keep focusing on what we think is important: Utility, ease-of-use, and mass adoption. That's what we have built and that's what we are continuing to work on.

Thanks for confirming, that was my point: there are many disappointed investors and community members, because they assumed your academic training come with less stubbornness, more flexibility and adaptability, and you are willing to react when your theme is not accepted by the market. Your theme is not good. It failed. The market don't like your theme and direction, that's why your coin is 9.5k as we speak and your volume is 7 BTC in Bittrex. The market has spoken, but you are not listening. I guess that's the arrogance of youth that Barrabas has pointed out. This community including me had been asking for weeks please consider blockchain 2 development, you just simply ignore it. I fully understand the implication of the undertaking such a massive development task - on the other hand as we can see 1-2 developers of other coins can role out blockchain 2 features. Many investors/community members hoped you are capable to pull out such development, it seems you are not, and therefore there are disappointed investors/community members - more importantly, there are no new investors.

To be frank, they aren't the same kind of coin by any stretch of the imagination. VIA/Ether/etc. started after the BTC developers requested 2.0 activities not be used on the chain as it was bloating it. VeriCoin is becoming a currency that is easy to use for everyone with utility. We are working on different types of things than VIA/ETHER/etc.

Technically speaking this is not true. I had a chat about it with some BTC developers on the other day. I heard again what they always say, actually they would be happy to see sensible blockchain 2 features e.g smart contracts on the BTC blockchain. All they did, as you know reduced the OP_RETURN output to 40 bytes to make the whole thing a bit sensible and avoid to implement dropbox type of apps on the blockchain. As I can see you do have OP_RETURN output on your source so nothing stopping you to implement blockchain 2 features. You are just not interested in that, you are working on same lame user name feature (which has nothing to dowith blockchain 2) and you are working on your mass worldwide adoption theme.




I'm getting so bored with all the shit you write. You've been on here for 10 hours staight, talking crap. Are you really that dull that you don't have a life?  Grow the fuck up.

Fuck off you brainless cheerleader and find some better other activity than monitoring my posts. Get loss.

I'm not monitoring your posts and I don't hold any VRC - I'm keeping update on news across crypto. But you seem to have writen close to 15,000 words on total tripe in this thread over the last day, like you just woke up and sat at your screen hitting refresh.Take a break, enjoy your friends, go grab a beer. This reall isn't that important.

I agree, its like these guys are writing dissertations for their degrees.
Paragraphs of total drivel, they complain about people 'cheerleading', yet what they do is embarrassing.

I also Agree. We need a channel for normal people to informations from what is being discussed and so on. It just consumes too much time to follow everything here.

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August 21, 2014, 09:16:27 PM
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We're going to keep focusing on what we think is important: Utility, ease-of-use, and mass adoption. That's what we have built and that's what we are continuing to work on.

Thanks for confirming, that was my point: there are many disappointed investors and community members, because they assumed your academic training come with less stubbornness, more flexibility and adaptability, and you are willing to react when your theme is not accepted by the market. Your theme is not good. It failed. The market don't like your theme and direction, that's why your coin is 9.5k as we speak and your volume is 7 BTC in Bittrex. The market has spoken, but you are not listening. I guess that's the arrogance of youth that Barrabas has pointed out. This community including me had been asking for weeks please consider blockchain 2 development, you just simply ignore it. I fully understand the implication of the undertaking such a massive development task - on the other hand as we can see 1-2 developers of other coins can role out blockchain 2 features. Many investors/community members hoped you are capable to pull out such development, it seems you are not, and therefore there are disappointed investors/community members - more importantly, there are no new investors.

To be frank, they aren't the same kind of coin by any stretch of the imagination. VIA/Ether/etc. started after the BTC developers requested 2.0 activities not be used on the chain as it was bloating it. VeriCoin is becoming a currency that is easy to use for everyone with utility. We are working on different types of things than VIA/ETHER/etc.

Technically speaking this is not true. I had a chat about it with some BTC developers on the other day. I heard again what they always say, actually they would be happy to see sensible blockchain 2 features e.g smart contracts on the BTC blockchain. All they did, as you know reduced the OP_RETURN output to 40 bytes to make the whole thing a bit sensible and avoid to implement dropbox type of apps on the blockchain. As I can see you do have OP_RETURN output on your source so nothing stopping you to implement blockchain 2 features. You are just not interested in that, you are working on same lame user name feature (which has nothing to dowith blockchain 2) and you are working on your mass worldwide adoption theme.




I'm getting so bored with all the shit you write. You've been on here for 10 hours staight, talking crap. Are you really that dull that you don't have a life?  Grow the fuck up.

Fuck off you brainless cheerleader and find some better other activity than monitoring my posts. Get loss.

I'm not monitoring your posts and I don't hold any VRC - I'm keeping update on news across crypto. But you seem to have writen close to 15,000 words on total tripe in this thread over the last day, like you just woke up and sat at your screen hitting refresh.Take a break, enjoy your friends, go grab a beer. This reall isn't that important.

I agree, its like these guys are writing dissertations for their degrees.
Paragraphs of total drivel, they complain about people 'cheerleading', yet what they do is embarrassing.



Couldn't stop laughing. Totally true !

"Constructive critisism" ? LOL. Get lost, with all your words Wink
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August 21, 2014, 09:17:01 PM
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if you leave out the MP hack followed by the rollback, VRC is still one of the best coins out there.

I mean our community is really big and on top active. There many people constantly submitting new ideas. Beside DRK I don't know any coin community which is so active. Even Litecoin is quiet compared to VRC.

We will see. The potential is still big, but it will take a lot of patience to get big.

I'm down 75% - not wise enough to put stop loss.. but IMHO, this lower price makes it easier to convince new investors to buy in..and I have not lost faith price will rebound.. been in bitcoin for 2 years and have tried to convince friends and families and acquaintances but they still find it hard to use, and they still don't have the patience to learn it. I agree with the devs' goal to have this mass adopted and used first..and it is important not to lose sight of that.

Instead of bitching here which some do, i respectfully would suggest that you sell your vericoins and trade other cartel pump and dump coins.. you might achieve more happiness

EDIT: i put in 32 btc all in all and its down to 75% now

So you have now what's worth 8 BTC or you have what's worth 24 BTC?

Either way yoshi, common sense, a very, very elemental one, would dictate that you are not equipped to give advice to anyone... on anything?

I bet those friends and family would pay much more attention to what you say and make much bigger efforts is instead of losing 75% of what you put in, you would have doubled your initial investment a couple times. Makes sense, doesn't it?

you are correct on the 2nd part, i did not plan for the coin to be hacked and allowed myself to love a coin which i should not do. what you are not aware of is that i bought $5000 bitcoin when it was $50-$70, sold half at the peak. i guess that earns me a bit of credibility. vericoin, like bitcoin has gone thru a lot of ups and down on the way to where it is now
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August 21, 2014, 09:17:30 PM
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writing dissertations .... Nuff Said

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August 21, 2014, 09:32:17 PM
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Isn't it telling that the people "complaining" about "written dissertations" is, precisely, people incapable of writing anything, let alone anything of ANY substance, ever?

There's a very clear and simple (and brief) explanation for that: Those guys can't write and don't like to read either. Sometimes not even the "dissertations" of Nosker -but they perceive those as pumping VRC so they don't mind and applaud them, whether after reading them or not. This is what they think: "Those fuckers should just be pumping VRC so I can sell the coins in which I am down 50% for some profit, or at no loss, to some idiot that would buy my coins".

They don't want to read, let alone understand anything. They just want to con someone into buying their coins for equal or more than they paid for.

So they complain. Because, you know, they can.
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August 21, 2014, 09:38:43 PM
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if you leave out the MP hack followed by the rollback, VRC is still one of the best coins out there.

I mean our community is really big and on top active. There many people constantly submitting new ideas. Beside DRK I don't know any coin community which is so active. Even Litecoin is quiet compared to VRC.

We will see. The potential is still big, but it will take a lot of patience to get big.

I'm down 75% - not wise enough to put stop loss.. but IMHO, this lower price makes it easier to convince new investors to buy in..and I have not lost faith price will rebound.. been in bitcoin for 2 years and have tried to convince friends and families and acquaintances but they still find it hard to use, and they still don't have the patience to learn it. I agree with the devs' goal to have this mass adopted and used first..and it is important not to lose sight of that.

Instead of bitching here which some do, i respectfully would suggest that you sell your vericoins and trade other cartel pump and dump coins.. you might achieve more happiness

EDIT: i put in 32 btc all in all and its down to 75% now

So you have now what's worth 8 BTC or you have what's worth 24 BTC?

Either way yoshi, common sense, a very, very elemental one, would dictate that you are not equipped to give advice to anyone... on anything?

I bet those friends and family would pay much more attention to what you say and make much bigger efforts is instead of losing 75% of what you put in, you would have doubled your initial investment a couple times. Makes sense, doesn't it?

you are correct on the 2nd part, i did not plan for the coin to be hacked and allowed myself to love a coin which i should not do. what you are not aware of is that i bought $5000 bitcoin when it was $50-$70, sold half at the peak. i guess that earns me a bit of credibility. vericoin, like bitcoin has gone thru a lot of ups and down on the way to where it is now

Then you are doing great and shouldn't even be concerned with anything that happens here. By my rough estimation you have $30,000 -of which $25,000 is pure profit- locked away and the rest invested in VRC, still 8 BTC left. And all is gravy. That's not most people situation. I don't know but if I were you, considering the recent drop in BTC, I would have reinvested quite a bit of those $25k pure profit, either to trade them for a huge very quick profit in BTC or to buy a shitload of VRC if, as you apparently do, still believe in it. It seems to me you could have made a hell of an average down and actually propell the price upside quite a bit all on your own while doing so...
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August 21, 2014, 09:48:55 PM
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Isn't it telling that the people "complaining" about "written dissertations" is, precisely, people incapable of writing anything, let alone anything of ANY substance, ever?

There's a very clear and simple (and brief) explanation for that: Those guys can't write and don't like to read either. Sometimes not even the "dissertations" of Nosker -but they perceive those as pumping VRC so they don't mind and applaud them, whether after reading them or not. This is what they think: "Those fuckers should just be pumping VRC so I can sell the coins in which I am down 50% for some profit, or at no loss, to some idiot that would buy my coins".

They don't want to read, let alone understand anything. They just want to con someone into buying their coins for equal or more than they paid for.

So they complain. Because, you know, they can.

I don't write paragraphs of total drivel because it's unnecessary, not because I can't. The last thing I want is VRC to be 'pumped', it's not good for any coin, what we need is real investors, not some pump and dump bullshit. Maybe WVD will help? Hmm, maybe not.
I bought most of my coins at the lowest prices, so the price isn't a problem for me. Don't be angry because your time isn't valuable so you spend many hours on here daily writing crap that nobody cares about, as said before, take a rest and chill the fuck out.

Also, who's complaining? You seem to be complaining more than anyone.
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August 21, 2014, 10:04:08 PM
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Isn't it telling that the people "complaining" about "written dissertations" is, precisely, people incapable of writing anything, let alone anything of ANY substance, ever?

There's a very clear and simple (and brief) explanation for that: Those guys can't write and don't like to read either. Sometimes not even the "dissertations" of Nosker -but they perceive those as pumping VRC so they don't mind and applaud them, whether after reading them or not. This is what they think: "Those fuckers should just be pumping VRC so I can sell the coins in which I am down 50% for some profit, or at no loss, to some idiot that would buy my coins".

They don't want to read, let alone understand anything. They just want to con someone into buying their coins for equal or more than they paid for.

So they complain. Because, you know, they can.

I don't write paragraphs of total drivel because it's unnecessary, not because I can't. The last thing I want is VRC to be 'pumped', it's not good for any coin, what we need is real investors, not some pump and dump bullshit. Maybe WVD will help? Hmm, maybe not.
I bought most of my coins at the lowest prices, so the price isn't a problem for me. Don't be angry because your time isn't valuable so you spend many hours on here daily writing crap that nobody cares about, as said before, take a rest and chill the fuck out.

Also, who's complaining? You seem to be complaining more than anyone.


You just dropped quite a turd of raw drivel with no substance whatsoever, as if to prove my point.

But since you mention the pump as something bad and not needed, I am going to fully disagree on that and state that pumping brings momentum, momentum brings volume and volume brings investors. But obviously we are not going to agree on this or on anything else, for that matter. Not even on the sea level.
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Oh look...VRC still down and market depth razor thin...

Glad I invested in to VRC 4-5 weeks back.  Wink

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August 21, 2014, 10:13:56 PM
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Isn't it telling that the people "complaining" about "written dissertations" is, precisely, people incapable of writing anything, let alone anything of ANY substance, ever?

There's a very clear and simple (and brief) explanation for that: Those guys can't write and don't like to read either. Sometimes not even the "dissertations" of Nosker -but they perceive those as pumping VRC so they don't mind and applaud them, whether after reading them or not. This is what they think: "Those fuckers should just be pumping VRC so I can sell the coins in which I am down 50% for some profit, or at no loss, to some idiot that would buy my coins".

They don't want to read, let alone understand anything. They just want to con someone into buying their coins for equal or more than they paid for.

So they complain. Because, you know, they can.

I don't write paragraphs of total drivel because it's unnecessary, not because I can't. The last thing I want is VRC to be 'pumped', it's not good for any coin, what we need is real investors, not some pump and dump bullshit. Maybe WVD will help? Hmm, maybe not.
I bought most of my coins at the lowest prices, so the price isn't a problem for me. Don't be angry because your time isn't valuable so you spend many hours on here daily writing crap that nobody cares about, as said before, take a rest and chill the fuck out.

Also, who's complaining? You seem to be complaining more than anyone.


You just dropped quite a turd of raw drivel with no substance whatsoever, as if to prove my point.

But since you mention the pump as something bad and not needed, I am going to fully disagree on that and state that pumping brings momentum, momentum brings volume and volume brings investors. But obviously we are not going to agree on this or on anything else, for that matter. Not even on the sea level.

"Not even on the sea level"  Shocked Shocked Shocked
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August 21, 2014, 10:15:34 PM
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Isn't it telling that the people "complaining" about "written dissertations" is, precisely, people incapable of writing anything, let alone anything of ANY substance, ever?

There's a very clear and simple (and brief) explanation for that: Those guys can't write and don't like to read either. Sometimes not even the "dissertations" of Nosker -but they perceive those as pumping VRC so they don't mind and applaud them, whether after reading them or not. This is what they think: "Those fuckers should just be pumping VRC so I can sell the coins in which I am down 50% for some profit, or at no loss, to some idiot that would buy my coins".

They don't want to read, let alone understand anything. They just want to con someone into buying their coins for equal or more than they paid for.

So they complain. Because, you know, they can.

I don't write paragraphs of total drivel because it's unnecessary, not because I can't. The last thing I want is VRC to be 'pumped', it's not good for any coin, what we need is real investors, not some pump and dump bullshit. Maybe WVD will help? Hmm, maybe not.
I bought most of my coins at the lowest prices, so the price isn't a problem for me. Don't be angry because your time isn't valuable so you spend many hours on here daily writing crap that nobody cares about, as said before, take a rest and chill the fuck out.

Also, who's complaining? You seem to be complaining more than anyone.


You just dropped quite a turd of raw drivel with no substance whatsoever, as if to prove my point.

But since you mention the pump as something bad and not needed, I am going to fully disagree on that and state that pumping brings momentum, momentum brings volume and volume brings investors. But obviously we are not going to agree on this or on anything else, for that matter. Not even on the sea level.

Unlike you though, I can contain my 'drivel' with a few sentences. I agree it brings momentum, but the last thing any coin needs is to be pumped just for the sake of being pumped (which is what you were implying), I'd prefer real, long term value. I'll agree on any facts, there's a big difference between facts and your opinions.
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August 21, 2014, 10:26:16 PM
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I could never imagine that once the lead vericoin developer, one of the PhD students will say that the three vericoin devs are incapable to compete with viacoin's Peter Todd and btcdark. I mean, your CV and team profile indicate more than this. Even I thought you would be able to compete with Ethereum's Buterin and Gavin Wood. Your statement about Ethereum's millions is not quite correct - your brigade will believe what you say as everything you do and don't do trigger a standing ovation from the cheerleaders, but as I happened to work in the industry I understand the core piece of Ethereum has been developing for long, many code were written before the IPO by one developer Gavin Wood (three of you would have to compete with him). Right now they have millions, but it was a massive code base, the core software "proof of concept 5" were delivered by a very few guys, technically 2-3 persons (even the team has 40 people) before the big money arrived.

It's quite clear, many investors assumed the vericoin devs will be able to write a successful altcoin software, that means compete with other software developers in altcoin. Yes only three of you, without adding any new developers to the team. It was the first time in crypto that PhD and MS developer credentials were associated with a coin, and I am sure every one here assumed, with that credential you are well equipped to compete with Peter Todd, Buterin and other altcoin developers. Again, it's related with promises or implying a promising operation. You let us know about your CV and software development background and when you claim experience in your CV you imply that you are capable to do the work. It seems from your answer that you are not (because it seems three of you are not enough, no time, no skills or whatever reasons). It seems we have to accept that vericoin will never compete with viacoin, cloak, ethereum, etc.


To be frank, they aren't the same kind of coin by any stretch of the imagination. VIA/Ether/etc. started after the BTC developers requested 2.0 activities not be used on the chain as it was bloating it. VeriCoin is becoming a currency that is easy to use for everyone with utility. We are working on different types of things than VIA/ETHER/etc.

We put our info out there so people would know that we are real people with an academic training. Not because we were trying to say "we're better than them" or the like. We're going to keep focusing on what we think is important: Utility, ease-of-use, and mass adoption. That's what we have built and that's what we are continuing to work on. Our blockchain 2.0 scheme for implementing a username system in the blockchain (outside of a name server) is something David is focused on in addition to stealth addresses (it's all integrated), Doug is working on the new announcement tech as well as a new wallet UI. And as Doug mentioned in VRC Radio, I'm helping to coordinate as well as get the marketing/community members that have joined the VeriLeaders project together and focused on how to more properly address the community/world than we have been doing. It's all a complicated game we're playing. It's not as easy as any of us thought it would be. There are plenty of hiccups. We're learning a lot from this and it's going to make VeriCoin a better coin and it's going to make us better developers and better community members.
sounds good Wink keep it up !
just ignoring the usual few fudders don't let them get to your head...
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August 21, 2014, 10:28:47 PM
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Isn't it telling that the people "complaining" about "written dissertations" is, precisely, people incapable of writing anything, let alone anything of ANY substance, ever?

There's a very clear and simple (and brief) explanation for that: Those guys can't write and don't like to read either. Sometimes not even the "dissertations" of Nosker -but they perceive those as pumping VRC so they don't mind and applaud them, whether after reading them or not. This is what they think: "Those fuckers should just be pumping VRC so I can sell the coins in which I am down 50% for some profit, or at no loss, to some idiot that would buy my coins".

They don't want to read, let alone understand anything. They just want to con someone into buying their coins for equal or more than they paid for.

So they complain. Because, you know, they can.

I don't write paragraphs of total drivel because it's unnecessary, not because I can't. The last thing I want is VRC to be 'pumped', it's not good for any coin, what we need is real investors, not some pump and dump bullshit. Maybe WVD will help? Hmm, maybe not.
I bought most of my coins at the lowest prices, so the price isn't a problem for me. Don't be angry because your time isn't valuable so you spend many hours on here daily writing crap that nobody cares about, as said before, take a rest and chill the fuck out.

Also, who's complaining? You seem to be complaining more than anyone.


You just dropped quite a turd of raw drivel with no substance whatsoever, as if to prove my point.

But since you mention the pump as something bad and not needed, I am going to fully disagree on that and state that pumping brings momentum, momentum brings volume and volume brings investors. But obviously we are not going to agree on this or on anything else, for that matter. Not even on the sea level.

Unlike you though, I can contain my 'drivel' with a few sentences. I agree it brings momentum, but the last thing any coin needs is to be pumped just for the sake of being pumped (which is what you were implying), I'd prefer real, long term value. I'll agree on any facts, there's a big difference between facts and your opinions.

Except that you don't relate to anything remotely factual. You are a choir boy who convinces himself there's actual value in VeriCoin while there's absolutely none -as in all cryptocurrencies, of course-. The only value that passes for real is whatever the community may be willing to give it at any given moment. That is FACT, for you, although of course, you will dispute it. Oh and yes I have quite a few opinions, based on knowledge, experience and wherewithal. You, on the other hand, have to invent "facts" to justify inclinations. Grow up.
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August 21, 2014, 10:37:26 PM
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@altcoinuk

do you really think blockchain 2.0 stuff will not just lead to a pump and dump?
viacoin went from 70 k to 30 k sat, cloakcoin from 200k to 30 k sat and it took only mere 1-2 weeks for that drop
ethereum is right now a big bag of promises, they even stated in their ToS that it is possible that they deliver nothing....

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August 21, 2014, 10:44:35 PM
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Isn't it telling that the people "complaining" about "written dissertations" is, precisely, people incapable of writing anything, let alone anything of ANY substance, ever?

There's a very clear and simple (and brief) explanation for that: Those guys can't write and don't like to read either. Sometimes not even the "dissertations" of Nosker -but they perceive those as pumping VRC so they don't mind and applaud them, whether after reading them or not. This is what they think: "Those fuckers should just be pumping VRC so I can sell the coins in which I am down 50% for some profit, or at no loss, to some idiot that would buy my coins".

They don't want to read, let alone understand anything. They just want to con someone into buying their coins for equal or more than they paid for.

So they complain. Because, you know, they can.

I don't write paragraphs of total drivel because it's unnecessary, not because I can't. The last thing I want is VRC to be 'pumped', it's not good for any coin, what we need is real investors, not some pump and dump bullshit. Maybe WVD will help? Hmm, maybe not.
I bought most of my coins at the lowest prices, so the price isn't a problem for me. Don't be angry because your time isn't valuable so you spend many hours on here daily writing crap that nobody cares about, as said before, take a rest and chill the fuck out.

Also, who's complaining? You seem to be complaining more than anyone.


You just dropped quite a turd of raw drivel with no substance whatsoever, as if to prove my point.

But since you mention the pump as something bad and not needed, I am going to fully disagree on that and state that pumping brings momentum, momentum brings volume and volume brings investors. But obviously we are not going to agree on this or on anything else, for that matter. Not even on the sea level.

Unlike you though, I can contain my 'drivel' with a few sentences. I agree it brings momentum, but the last thing any coin needs is to be pumped just for the sake of being pumped (which is what you were implying), I'd prefer real, long term value. I'll agree on any facts, there's a big difference between facts and your opinions.

Except that you don't relate to anything remotely factual. You are a choir boy who convinces himself there's actual value in VeriCoin while there's absolutely none -as in all cryptocurrencies, of course-. The only value that passes for real is whatever the community may be willing to give it at any given moment. That is FACT, for you, although of course, you will dispute it. Oh and yes I have quite a few opinions, based on knowledge, experience and wherewithal. You, on the other hand, have to invent "facts" to justify inclinations. Grow up.

Well there is actual value in VRC, 0.00009511 BTC or just under 5 cents. It's gets this value because there is enough demand to cause this price. Just like people value Bitcoin at $515. I don't think you understand how markets work, it's called supply and demand.

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August 21, 2014, 10:46:57 PM
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I see many people, including the DEVs, talking about mass adoption and mainstream. But here goes a challenge to all of you:

Does anyone here have even the slightest idea of what it takes and how to get there?

I see people talking about new features and easiness to use. Some claim that marketing and promotion will do the job, bringing "normal" people as new investors. Others want to see new merchants accepting VRC as a way to bring it to mainstream.

So, why doesn't the community focus on developing the vision of what is required to take VRC to the masses and represent this vision in a single roadmap? Don't we have what it takes?
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August 21, 2014, 10:48:41 PM
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Isn't it telling that the people "complaining" about "written dissertations" is, precisely, people incapable of writing anything, let alone anything of ANY substance, ever?

There's a very clear and simple (and brief) explanation for that: Those guys can't write and don't like to read either. Sometimes not even the "dissertations" of Nosker -but they perceive those as pumping VRC so they don't mind and applaud them, whether after reading them or not. This is what they think: "Those fuckers should just be pumping VRC so I can sell the coins in which I am down 50% for some profit, or at no loss, to some idiot that would buy my coins".

They don't want to read, let alone understand anything. They just want to con someone into buying their coins for equal or more than they paid for.

So they complain. Because, you know, they can.

I don't write paragraphs of total drivel because it's unnecessary, not because I can't. The last thing I want is VRC to be 'pumped', it's not good for any coin, what we need is real investors, not some pump and dump bullshit. Maybe WVD will help? Hmm, maybe not.
I bought most of my coins at the lowest prices, so the price isn't a problem for me. Don't be angry because your time isn't valuable so you spend many hours on here daily writing crap that nobody cares about, as said before, take a rest and chill the fuck out.

Also, who's complaining? You seem to be complaining more than anyone.


You just dropped quite a turd of raw drivel with no substance whatsoever, as if to prove my point.

But since you mention the pump as something bad and not needed, I am going to fully disagree on that and state that pumping brings momentum, momentum brings volume and volume brings investors. But obviously we are not going to agree on this or on anything else, for that matter. Not even on the sea level.

Unlike you though, I can contain my 'drivel' with a few sentences. I agree it brings momentum, but the last thing any coin needs is to be pumped just for the sake of being pumped (which is what you were implying), I'd prefer real, long term value. I'll agree on any facts, there's a big difference between facts and your opinions.

Except that you don't relate to anything remotely factual. You are a choir boy who convinces himself there's actual value in VeriCoin while there's absolutely none -as in all cryptocurrencies, of course-. The only value that passes for real is whatever the community may be willing to give it at any given moment. That is FACT, for you, although of course, you will dispute it. Oh and yes I have quite a few opinions, based on knowledge, experience and wherewithal. You, on the other hand, have to invent "facts" to justify inclinations. Grow up.
Please enlighten me with all the facts you've come out with in all these paragraphs of text you've taken so long to write? And, please tell me where I have 'invented' facts to justify inclinations? lol

Any real value is always dependent on the 'community' or 'the people', just like gold, fiat money etc, so saying that value comes from us is stupidly obvious. If everyone suddenly agreed that gold no longer had value, it's kind of obvious what would happen.
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