[ANN][VRC] VeriCoin Proof of Stake-Time Currency | New Roadmap Released

[sdmathis]

Why is v 1.3.3 showing as 1.3.2 ?

I dont know Flam, I am having same issue, someone said to make new folder, that it worked for them. I am still trying to figure this out

I guess sometimes it can take up to 30-60 mins to get through the boostrap

Same thing happened to me at first. Then I tried uninstalling and reinstalling the wallet instead of just installing over the top of the old one, and that worked for me.

[Bobsurplus]

Listen, first I think you may have a mental problem. Second. I dont really condone theft, although people do what they need to do to survive and I understand that.

Rolling back coins is also theft. I can assure you someone lost out in the rollback and wont ever be compensated.

What these devs did was anti-crypto and wont ever really be taken seriously again.

You are condoning theft very clearly by trying your best to enable it! You and some of the others here have been so aggressively hostile to Vericoin's actions that it makes me wonder if you are all hackers and thieves, upset that one of your methods to steal crypto has been shut down. Mintpal is trying to make good for everyone affected, not just on their exchange but on others as well. Even if they are less than 100% effective in compensating innocents caught up in this they deserve some kudos. Better to be 1% wrong at the end of the day than 100% wrong.

I would like to see crypto complete the move to a decentralized status same as everyone else - but blindly adhering to this principle when it does clear harm is ideological fanaticism that serves an idea over and against the humans that really matter. Vericoin's devs are not going to magically morph into tyrannical central bankers (and if they do, then we will dump them.)

What are you talking about? I dont condone theft, it happens. It's not something I would do at this stage of my life but I have broken a law or two in my day and nobody's perfect. Not even you! Rolling back goes against crypto, its that simple. I'm not blindly adhering to anything I'm just trusting my gut that dealing with a dev team who will rollback at will is not a wise choice.

What about mintpal. Who's to say that if ever they're in a jam that they wont make up a story, move some coins, sell some, do whatever and then ask for a roll back because they have been hacked once again! They surely can do it and we all know the vrc devs will do anything that mintpal tells them to do!

I dont trust mintpal, do you?

All I'm saying is that making a move like rolling back a blockchain in order to recoup coins from a theft is like bailing out the big banks once again and I for one use crypto because I'm sick and tired of that kind of shit!

[Bobsurplus]

Calling VRC for what it is....is not FUD. It is pointing out the truth.

View it how you want. VRC is tarnished.

Only in the eyes of certain parties...namely the crypto decentralization purists. The truth is, to most random people (that would be the folks necessary to bring to crypto to ever make it 'mainstream'), Bitcoin is far more tarnished thanks to things like Silk Road and Gox than Vericoin will be by this. In the eyes of the everyday person, this will appear to many as being safer, knowing action can be taken to thwart a massive attack such as this.

While I normally give your serious commentary a fair bit of weight in the reading I do around here, I think that people who are viewing this occurrence in such a fashion are thinking too narrowly. For the average person, centralization and decentralization are not the black and white concepts they are viewed as here.

Occasionally, it is necessary to venture beyond the echo chamber of these forums to understand what still must come to pass before cryptocurrency can ever be a tool of the average Joe.

Please answer to me how VRC will be viewed as "safer" when there can be rollbacks in the future?

Personally I wouldn't want to accept VRC for payment if there is the possibility of a rollback that could take my coins for goods or services I sold to another person.

Please tell me how VRC will be viewed as "safer" because of this new precedent?

And another fact is that merchants already carry inherent risks of a reversible transaction. It happens through consumer protection on credit cards, and can be written off as fraud. I would say that if you were to use the speculation of the threat of a rollback to a merchant, it is only fair to speculate that a merchant could seek recompense through a fraud write off that they could already do with any credit card transaction.

Yes, this rollback has some ominous undertones if it is specifically viewed in such a light...and I think many here are trying to make that out to be the only case. But I think at this point in time, if you truly weigh facts against facts, and speculation against speculation, this is still more likely to be favorably viewed by John Q Public.

Great so vericoin will be the coin of fraudsters worldwide. This whole crypto thing is about having control of your money. I for one wont ever use this coin. I know a bunch of others who feel the same way too. It's too risky when the devs pull this kind of stunt.

The fact is, it takes weeks/months/years to build a coin and its reputation but only seconds to disrtroy it. That the wonderful thing about crypto. Some die horrible deaths quick deaths and other die from cancer in a long drawn out way. Vericoin has terminal cancer!

*I'm not a doctor but I do play one on T.V.

By your logic, then credit cards are the preferred tool of fraudsters worldwide. Ironically, it's not too far from the truth. Good thing no one trusts credit cards, amiright?

Do you even think about what you type before you type it, or are you having a seizure in close proximity to your PC and this is just the result?

I dont trust CC, I dont take them.. Not personally or through paypal.

I know millions of others in the same boat and I know millions of people lose billions of dollars yearly due to credit card fraud.

Its ok. VERICOIN IS THE COIN OF FRAUDSTERS WORLDWIDE!

Please continue!

[Flam]

Why is v 1.3.3 showing as 1.3.2 ?

I dont know Flam, I am having same issue, someone said to make new folder, that it worked for them. I am still trying to figure this out

I guess sometimes it can take up to 30-60 mins to get through the boostrap

Same thing happened to me at first. Then I tried uninstalling and reinstalling the wallet instead of just installing over the top of the old one, and that worked for me.

I'm trying this

[BitcoinPorn]

Here's the guy who lost the $4k in order to save the rest. https://twitter.com/fullhdpixel/status/488810060609748993

He needs compensation.

"In a statement, the MintPal team pledged to recoup all losses from the attack, including those from other exchanges who were impacted by the event"

http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-protected-vericoin-stolen-mintpal-wallet-breach/

[buy4crypto]

Calling VRC for what it is....is not FUD. It is pointing out the truth.

View it how you want. VRC is tarnished.

Only in the eyes of certain parties...namely the crypto decentralization purists. The truth is, to most random people (that would be the folks necessary to bring to crypto to ever make it 'mainstream'), Bitcoin is far more tarnished thanks to things like Silk Road and Gox than Vericoin will be by this. In the eyes of the everyday person, this will appear to many as being safer, knowing action can be taken to thwart a massive attack such as this.

While I normally give your serious commentary a fair bit of weight in the reading I do around here, I think that people who are viewing this occurrence in such a fashion are thinking too narrowly. For the average person, centralization and decentralization are not the black and white concepts they are viewed as here.

Occasionally, it is necessary to venture beyond the echo chamber of these forums to understand what still must come to pass before cryptocurrency can ever be a tool of the average Joe.

Please answer to me how VRC will be viewed as "safer" when there can be rollbacks in the future?

Personally I wouldn't want to accept VRC for payment if there is the possibility of a rollback that could take my coins for goods or services I sold to another person.

Please tell me how VRC will be viewed as "safer" because of this new precedent?

And another fact is that merchants already carry inherent risks of a reversible transaction. It happens through consumer protection on credit cards, and can be written off as fraud. I would say that if you were to use the speculation of the threat of a rollback to a merchant, it is only fair to speculate that a merchant could seek recompense through a fraud write off that they could already do with any credit card transaction.

Yes, this rollback has some ominous undertones if it is specifically viewed in such a light...and I think many here are trying to make that out to be the only case. But I think at this point in time, if you truly weigh facts against facts, and speculation against speculation, this is still more likely to be favorably viewed by John Q Public.

Great so vericoin will be the coin of fraudsters worldwide. This whole crypto thing is about having control of your money. I for one wont ever use this coin. I know a bunch of others who feel the same way too. It's too risky when the devs pull this kind of stunt.

The fact is, it takes weeks/months/years to build a coin and its reputation but only seconds to disrtroy it. That the wonderful thing about crypto. Some die horrible deaths quick deaths and other die from cancer in a long drawn out way. Vericoin has terminal cancer!

*I'm not a doctor but I do play one on T.V.

By your logic, then credit cards are the preferred tool of fraudsters worldwide. Ironically, it's not too far from the truth. Good thing no one trusts credit cards, amiright?

Do you even think about what you type before you type it, or are you having a seizure in close proximity to your PC and this is just the result?

I dont trust CC, I dont take them.. Not personally or through paypal.

I know millions of others in the same boat and I know millions of people lose billions of dollars yearly due to credit card fraud.

Its ok. VERICOIN IS THE COIN OF FRAUDSTERS WORLDWIDE!

Please continue!

Pls tell me where you live, I dont know anyone without a credit card. You want to carry cash, how convenient is that. You a drug dealer? Why would you need so much cash. You like money thats been in a hookers butt or a cokeheads nose? Or is it the smell of those pennies that gets ya excited?

[buy4crypto]

Why is v 1.3.3 showing as 1.3.2 ?

I dont know Flam, I am having same issue, someone said to make new folder, that it worked for them. I am still trying to figure this out

I guess sometimes it can take up to 30-60 mins to get through the boostrap

Same thing happened to me at first. Then I tried uninstalling and reinstalling the wallet instead of just installing over the top of the old one, and that worked for me.

I'm trying this

I got it goin NP on a computer I had not turned on in a few days. I think my bootstrap file got corrupted somehow, my PC shut down during the boostrap download first. I have had issues since.

I hope the import works on the other PC when its finished downloading, gonna move the wallet file over.

[neurorit]

I don't have a credit card. But I have Bitcoins, Myriad and gold and silver. And guess what? I know others who choose not to have credit cards/banks accts etc. In a few years none of us will use credit cards as we know it. Maybe bitcoin or gold backed debit cards...

Wake up. debt = slavery http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2014/06/20140625_oomph.jpg

Calling VRC for what it is....is not FUD. It is pointing out the truth.

View it how you want. VRC is tarnished.

Only in the eyes of certain parties...namely the crypto decentralization purists. The truth is, to most random people (that would be the folks necessary to bring to crypto to ever make it 'mainstream'), Bitcoin is far more tarnished thanks to things like Silk Road and Gox than Vericoin will be by this. In the eyes of the everyday person, this will appear to many as being safer, knowing action can be taken to thwart a massive attack such as this.

While I normally give your serious commentary a fair bit of weight in the reading I do around here, I think that people who are viewing this occurrence in such a fashion are thinking too narrowly. For the average person, centralization and decentralization are not the black and white concepts they are viewed as here.

Occasionally, it is necessary to venture beyond the echo chamber of these forums to understand what still must come to pass before cryptocurrency can ever be a tool of the average Joe.

Please answer to me how VRC will be viewed as "safer" when there can be rollbacks in the future?

Personally I wouldn't want to accept VRC for payment if there is the possibility of a rollback that could take my coins for goods or services I sold to another person.

Please tell me how VRC will be viewed as "safer" because of this new precedent?

And another fact is that merchants already carry inherent risks of a reversible transaction. It happens through consumer protection on credit cards, and can be written off as fraud. I would say that if you were to use the speculation of the threat of a rollback to a merchant, it is only fair to speculate that a merchant could seek recompense through a fraud write off that they could already do with any credit card transaction.

Yes, this rollback has some ominous undertones if it is specifically viewed in such a light...and I think many here are trying to make that out to be the only case. But I think at this point in time, if you truly weigh facts against facts, and speculation against speculation, this is still more likely to be favorably viewed by John Q Public.

Great so vericoin will be the coin of fraudsters worldwide. This whole crypto thing is about having control of your money. I for one wont ever use this coin. I know a bunch of others who feel the same way too. It's too risky when the devs pull this kind of stunt.

The fact is, it takes weeks/months/years to build a coin and its reputation but only seconds to disrtroy it. That the wonderful thing about crypto. Some die horrible deaths quick deaths and other die from cancer in a long drawn out way. Vericoin has terminal cancer!

*I'm not a doctor but I do play one on T.V.

By your logic, then credit cards are the preferred tool of fraudsters worldwide. Ironically, it's not too far from the truth. Good thing no one trusts credit cards, amiright?

Do you even think about what you type before you type it, or are you having a seizure in close proximity to your PC and this is just the result?

I dont trust CC, I dont take them.. Not personally or through paypal.

I know millions of others in the same boat and I know millions of people lose billions of dollars yearly due to credit card fraud.

Its ok. VERICOIN IS THE COIN OF FRAUDSTERS WORLDWIDE!

Please continue!

Pls tell me where you live, I dont know anyone without a credit card. You want to carry cash, how convenient is that. You a drug dealer? Why would you need so much cash. You like money thats been in a hookers butt or a cokeheads nose? Or is it the smell of those pennies that gets ya excited?

[Bobsurplus]

Calling VRC for what it is....is not FUD. It is pointing out the truth.

View it how you want. VRC is tarnished.

Only in the eyes of certain parties...namely the crypto decentralization purists. The truth is, to most random people (that would be the folks necessary to bring to crypto to ever make it 'mainstream'), Bitcoin is far more tarnished thanks to things like Silk Road and Gox than Vericoin will be by this. In the eyes of the everyday person, this will appear to many as being safer, knowing action can be taken to thwart a massive attack such as this.

While I normally give your serious commentary a fair bit of weight in the reading I do around here, I think that people who are viewing this occurrence in such a fashion are thinking too narrowly. For the average person, centralization and decentralization are not the black and white concepts they are viewed as here.

Occasionally, it is necessary to venture beyond the echo chamber of these forums to understand what still must come to pass before cryptocurrency can ever be a tool of the average Joe.

Please answer to me how VRC will be viewed as "safer" when there can be rollbacks in the future?

Personally I wouldn't want to accept VRC for payment if there is the possibility of a rollback that could take my coins for goods or services I sold to another person.

Please tell me how VRC will be viewed as "safer" because of this new precedent?

And another fact is that merchants already carry inherent risks of a reversible transaction. It happens through consumer protection on credit cards, and can be written off as fraud. I would say that if you were to use the speculation of the threat of a rollback to a merchant, it is only fair to speculate that a merchant could seek recompense through a fraud write off that they could already do with any credit card transaction.

Yes, this rollback has some ominous undertones if it is specifically viewed in such a light...and I think many here are trying to make that out to be the only case. But I think at this point in time, if you truly weigh facts against facts, and speculation against speculation, this is still more likely to be favorably viewed by John Q Public.

Great so vericoin will be the coin of fraudsters worldwide. This whole crypto thing is about having control of your money. I for one wont ever use this coin. I know a bunch of others who feel the same way too. It's too risky when the devs pull this kind of stunt.

The fact is, it takes weeks/months/years to build a coin and its reputation but only seconds to disrtroy it. That the wonderful thing about crypto. Some die horrible deaths quick deaths and other die from cancer in a long drawn out way. Vericoin has terminal cancer!

*I'm not a doctor but I do play one on T.V.

By your logic, then credit cards are the preferred tool of fraudsters worldwide. Ironically, it's not too far from the truth. Good thing no one trusts credit cards, amiright?

Do you even think about what you type before you type it, or are you having a seizure in close proximity to your PC and this is just the result?

I dont trust CC, I dont take them.. Not personally or through paypal.

I know millions of others in the same boat and I know millions of people lose billions of dollars yearly due to credit card fraud.

Its ok. VERICOIN IS THE COIN OF FRAUDSTERS WORLDWIDE!

Please continue!

Pls tell me where you live, I dont know anyone without a credit card. You want to carry cash, how convenient is that. You a drug dealer? Why would you need so much cash. You like money thats been in a hookers butt or a cokeheads nose? Or is it the smell of those pennies that gets ya excited?

I live in Canada, I keep very little in fiat since 2012 and I have a credit card but only use it if I must, Like for checking into hotels while on vacation or for car rental. I would never accept CC for a purchase of anything at anytime. I don't sell drugs and I love and believe in crypto, so much so it's almost become my religion!

VRC devs are JOKES!

[Fippy]

I dont trust CC, I dont take them.. Not personally or through paypal.

I know millions of others in the same boat and I know millions of people lose billions of dollars yearly due to credit card fraud.

Its ok. VERICOIN IS THE COIN OF FRAUDSTERS WORLDWIDE!

Please continue!

Shortened for the poor folks who hate wading through all that copied text.

Well, your figures are off. Technically individual consumers loose very little providing they haven't made grievous security errors with regards to standard user agreement procedures. Most 'loss' is eaten by the government, if in fact anyone really 'eats' it. The reality is it is more absorbed than eaten, slight difference to the casual observer, substantial difference to the market.

And while you and people you know may not use credit cards, one quick glance and Visa or MasterCard's daily transaction volume is pretty much proof positive that you and your opinion, by a margin almost too silly to describe, are the minority.

[buy4crypto]

I don't have a credit card. But I have Bitcoins, Myriad and gold and silver. And guess what? I know others who choose not to have credit cards/banks etc. In a few years none of us will use credit cards as we know it. Maybe bitcoin or gold back debit cards...

Wake up. debt = slavery http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2014/06/20140625_oomph.jpg

Calling VRC for what it is....is not FUD. It is pointing out the truth.

View it how you want. VRC is tarnished.

Only in the eyes of certain parties...namely the crypto decentralization purists. The truth is, to most random people (that would be the folks necessary to bring to crypto to ever make it 'mainstream'), Bitcoin is far more tarnished thanks to things like Silk Road and Gox than Vericoin will be by this. In the eyes of the everyday person, this will appear to many as being safer, knowing action can be taken to thwart a massive attack such as this.

While I normally give your serious commentary a fair bit of weight in the reading I do around here, I think that people who are viewing this occurrence in such a fashion are thinking too narrowly. For the average person, centralization and decentralization are not the black and white concepts they are viewed as here.

Occasionally, it is necessary to venture beyond the echo chamber of these forums to understand what still must come to pass before cryptocurrency can ever be a tool of the average Joe.

Please answer to me how VRC will be viewed as "safer" when there can be rollbacks in the future?

Personally I wouldn't want to accept VRC for payment if there is the possibility of a rollback that could take my coins for goods or services I sold to another person.

Please tell me how VRC will be viewed as "safer" because of this new precedent?

And another fact is that merchants already carry inherent risks of a reversible transaction. It happens through consumer protection on credit cards, and can be written off as fraud. I would say that if you were to use the speculation of the threat of a rollback to a merchant, it is only fair to speculate that a merchant could seek recompense through a fraud write off that they could already do with any credit card transaction.

Yes, this rollback has some ominous undertones if it is specifically viewed in such a light...and I think many here are trying to make that out to be the only case. But I think at this point in time, if you truly weigh facts against facts, and speculation against speculation, this is still more likely to be favorably viewed by John Q Public.

Great so vericoin will be the coin of fraudsters worldwide. This whole crypto thing is about having control of your money. I for one wont ever use this coin. I know a bunch of others who feel the same way too. It's too risky when the devs pull this kind of stunt.

The fact is, it takes weeks/months/years to build a coin and its reputation but only seconds to disrtroy it. That the wonderful thing about crypto. Some die horrible deaths quick deaths and other die from cancer in a long drawn out way. Vericoin has terminal cancer!

*I'm not a doctor but I do play one on T.V.

By your logic, then credit cards are the preferred tool of fraudsters worldwide. Ironically, it's not too far from the truth. Good thing no one trusts credit cards, amiright?

Do you even think about what you type before you type it, or are you having a seizure in close proximity to your PC and this is just the result?

I dont trust CC, I dont take them.. Not personally or through paypal.

I know millions of others in the same boat and I know millions of people lose billions of dollars yearly due to credit card fraud.

Its ok. VERICOIN IS THE COIN OF FRAUDSTERS WORLDWIDE!

Please continue!

Pls tell me where you live, I dont know anyone without a credit card. You want to carry cash, how convenient is that. You a drug dealer? Why would you need so much cash. You like money thats been in a hookers butt or a cokeheads nose? Or is it the smell of those pennies that gets ya excited?

You think you are the majority, or the minority? This is why VeriCoin will ZOOM right by bitcoin. Its people willing to use the technology for practical uses (VeriCoin) Verse Idealist (you)

And btw, I have every investment you have aside from Myriad. I think they are all great plays. But to think the world can't use the BLOCKCHAIN in other practical ways is ignorant, at best.

[Bobsurplus]

I dont trust CC, I dont take them.. Not personally or through paypal.

I know millions of others in the same boat and I know millions of people lose billions of dollars yearly due to credit card fraud.

Its ok. VERICOIN IS THE COIN OF FRAUDSTERS WORLDWIDE!

Please continue!

Shortened for the poor folks who hate wading through all that copied text.

Well, your figures are off. Technically individual consumers loose very little providing they haven't made grievous security errors with regards to standard user agreement procedures. Most 'loss' is eaten by the government, if in fact anyone really 'eats' it. The reality is it is more absorbed than eaten, slight difference to the casual observer, substantial difference to the market.

And while you and people you know may not use credit cards, one quick glance and Visa or MasterCard's daily transaction volume is pretty much proof positive that you and your opinion, by a margin almost too silly to describe, are the minority.

Oh so you mean my taxes pay for it!

You really are a bright one aren't ya!

EDIT: http://www.forbes.com/sites/haydnshaughnessy/2011/03/24/solving-the-190-billion-annual-fraud-scam-more-on-jumio/

Its a bit old but I assume the numbers are the same or worse!

[Flam]

Why is v 1.3.3 showing as 1.3.2 ?

I dont know Flam, I am having same issue, someone said to make new folder, that it worked for them. I am still trying to figure this out

I guess sometimes it can take up to 30-60 mins to get through the boostrap

Same thing happened to me at first. Then I tried uninstalling and reinstalling the wallet instead of just installing over the top of the old one, and that worked for me.

Ty, look like it worked.

But i still have the issue with the mintpall wihdraw; coin are displayed as unconfirmed in the wallet but the incoming transaction isnt even showing in the ledger which is weird.

ps: it just updatde to "no more coin are showing at all :p"

[buy4crypto]

Why is v 1.3.3 showing as 1.3.2 ?

I dont know Flam, I am having same issue, someone said to make new folder, that it worked for them. I am still trying to figure this out

I guess sometimes it can take up to 30-60 mins to get through the boostrap

Same thing happened to me at first. Then I tried uninstalling and reinstalling the wallet instead of just installing over the top of the old one, and that worked for me.

Ty, look like it worked.

But i still have the issue with the mintpall wihdraw; coin are displayed as unconfirmed in the wallet but the incoming transaction isnt even showing in the ledger which is weird.

We really need to hear more from mintpal. It would help bring clarity to the whole situation. As of now we are under Speculative attacks For saving Mintgox from destroying maybe not only VeriCoin, but perhaps Mintpal, and the dominoes would have rippled to many more currencies.

[kleineaap]

I love and believe in crypto, so much so it's almost become my religion!

Here's your problem.

[neurorit]

Wrong. If you look at the technicals what does VeriCoin offer that Paypal doesn't? VeriCoin's target users are required to "trust" a centralized service. Now who are you going to trust? Paypal or VeriCoin?

Only people bagholding this crapcoin were amatuers who are in it to make a quick buck and you just proved it by dreaming up somehow, someway VeriCoin will zoom past BTC. KEEP DREAMING  

Bitcoin in the likes will go mainstream when it's necessary simply because that it is the best freekmarket alternative to hyperinflated debt-based currencies.

I don't have a credit card. But I have Bitcoins, Myriad and gold and silver. And guess what? I know others who choose not to have credit cards/banks etc. In a few years none of us will use credit cards as we know it. Maybe bitcoin or gold back debit cards...

Wake up. debt = slavery http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2014/06/20140625_oomph.jpg

Calling VRC for what it is....is not FUD. It is pointing out the truth.

View it how you want. VRC is tarnished.

Only in the eyes of certain parties...namely the crypto decentralization purists. The truth is, to most random people (that would be the folks necessary to bring to crypto to ever make it 'mainstream'), Bitcoin is far more tarnished thanks to things like Silk Road and Gox than Vericoin will be by this. In the eyes of the everyday person, this will appear to many as being safer, knowing action can be taken to thwart a massive attack such as this.

While I normally give your serious commentary a fair bit of weight in the reading I do around here, I think that people who are viewing this occurrence in such a fashion are thinking too narrowly. For the average person, centralization and decentralization are not the black and white concepts they are viewed as here.

Occasionally, it is necessary to venture beyond the echo chamber of these forums to understand what still must come to pass before cryptocurrency can ever be a tool of the average Joe.

Please answer to me how VRC will be viewed as "safer" when there can be rollbacks in the future?

Personally I wouldn't want to accept VRC for payment if there is the possibility of a rollback that could take my coins for goods or services I sold to another person.

Please tell me how VRC will be viewed as "safer" because of this new precedent?

And another fact is that merchants already carry inherent risks of a reversible transaction. It happens through consumer protection on credit cards, and can be written off as fraud. I would say that if you were to use the speculation of the threat of a rollback to a merchant, it is only fair to speculate that a merchant could seek recompense through a fraud write off that they could already do with any credit card transaction.

Yes, this rollback has some ominous undertones if it is specifically viewed in such a light...and I think many here are trying to make that out to be the only case. But I think at this point in time, if you truly weigh facts against facts, and speculation against speculation, this is still more likely to be favorably viewed by John Q Public.

Great so vericoin will be the coin of fraudsters worldwide. This whole crypto thing is about having control of your money. I for one wont ever use this coin. I know a bunch of others who feel the same way too. It's too risky when the devs pull this kind of stunt.

The fact is, it takes weeks/months/years to build a coin and its reputation but only seconds to disrtroy it. That the wonderful thing about crypto. Some die horrible deaths quick deaths and other die from cancer in a long drawn out way. Vericoin has terminal cancer!

*I'm not a doctor but I do play one on T.V.

By your logic, then credit cards are the preferred tool of fraudsters worldwide. Ironically, it's not too far from the truth. Good thing no one trusts credit cards, amiright?

Do you even think about what you type before you type it, or are you having a seizure in close proximity to your PC and this is just the result?

I dont trust CC, I dont take them.. Not personally or through paypal.

I know millions of others in the same boat and I know millions of people lose billions of dollars yearly due to credit card fraud.

Its ok. VERICOIN IS THE COIN OF FRAUDSTERS WORLDWIDE!

Please continue!

Pls tell me where you live, I dont know anyone without a credit card. You want to carry cash, how convenient is that. You a drug dealer? Why would you need so much cash. You like money thats been in a hookers butt or a cokeheads nose? Or is it the smell of those pennies that gets ya excited?

You think you are the majority, or the minority? This is why VeriCoin will ZOOM right by bitcoin. Its people willing to use the technology for practical uses (VeriCoin) Verse Idealist (you)

[Bobsurplus]

Wrong. If you look at the technicals what does VeriCoin offer that Paypal doesn't. VeriCoin's target users are required to "trust" a centralized service. Now who are you going to trust? Paypal or VeriCoin?

Only people bagholding this crapcoin were amatuers who are in it to make a quick buck and you just proved it by dreaming up somehow, someway VeriCoin will zoom past BTC. KEEP DREAMING  

Bitcoin in the likes will go mainstream when it's necessary simply because that it is the best freekmarket alternative to hyperinflated debt-based currencies.

I don't have a credit card. But I have Bitcoins, Myriad and gold and silver. And guess what? I know others who choose not to have credit cards/banks etc. In a few years none of us will use credit cards as we know it. Maybe bitcoin or gold back debit cards...

Wake up. debt = slavery http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2014/06/20140625_oomph.jpg

Calling VRC for what it is....is not FUD. It is pointing out the truth.

View it how you want. VRC is tarnished.

Only in the eyes of certain parties...namely the crypto decentralization purists. The truth is, to most random people (that would be the folks necessary to bring to crypto to ever make it 'mainstream'), Bitcoin is far more tarnished thanks to things like Silk Road and Gox than Vericoin will be by this. In the eyes of the everyday person, this will appear to many as being safer, knowing action can be taken to thwart a massive attack such as this.

While I normally give your serious commentary a fair bit of weight in the reading I do around here, I think that people who are viewing this occurrence in such a fashion are thinking too narrowly. For the average person, centralization and decentralization are not the black and white concepts they are viewed as here.

Occasionally, it is necessary to venture beyond the echo chamber of these forums to understand what still must come to pass before cryptocurrency can ever be a tool of the average Joe.

Please answer to me how VRC will be viewed as "safer" when there can be rollbacks in the future?

Personally I wouldn't want to accept VRC for payment if there is the possibility of a rollback that could take my coins for goods or services I sold to another person.

Please tell me how VRC will be viewed as "safer" because of this new precedent?

And another fact is that merchants already carry inherent risks of a reversible transaction. It happens through consumer protection on credit cards, and can be written off as fraud. I would say that if you were to use the speculation of the threat of a rollback to a merchant, it is only fair to speculate that a merchant could seek recompense through a fraud write off that they could already do with any credit card transaction.

Yes, this rollback has some ominous undertones if it is specifically viewed in such a light...and I think many here are trying to make that out to be the only case. But I think at this point in time, if you truly weigh facts against facts, and speculation against speculation, this is still more likely to be favorably viewed by John Q Public.

Great so vericoin will be the coin of fraudsters worldwide. This whole crypto thing is about having control of your money. I for one wont ever use this coin. I know a bunch of others who feel the same way too. It's too risky when the devs pull this kind of stunt.

The fact is, it takes weeks/months/years to build a coin and its reputation but only seconds to disrtroy it. That the wonderful thing about crypto. Some die horrible deaths quick deaths and other die from cancer in a long drawn out way. Vericoin has terminal cancer!

*I'm not a doctor but I do play one on T.V.

By your logic, then credit cards are the preferred tool of fraudsters worldwide. Ironically, it's not too far from the truth. Good thing no one trusts credit cards, amiright?

Do you even think about what you type before you type it, or are you having a seizure in close proximity to your PC and this is just the result?

I dont trust CC, I dont take them.. Not personally or through paypal.

I know millions of others in the same boat and I know millions of people lose billions of dollars yearly due to credit card fraud.

Its ok. VERICOIN IS THE COIN OF FRAUDSTERS WORLDWIDE!

Please continue!

Pls tell me where you live, I dont know anyone without a credit card. You want to carry cash, how convenient is that. You a drug dealer? Why would you need so much cash. You like money thats been in a hookers butt or a cokeheads nose? Or is it the smell of those pennies that gets ya excited?

You think you are the majority, or the minority? This is why VeriCoin will ZOOM right by bitcoin. Its people willing to use the technology for practical uses (VeriCoin) Verse Idealist (you)

+100 grand.

These sheep are failing to see why crypto is even needed. I think most of these guys are so new here that they missed all the good insightful post from back in the day.

[buy4crypto]

Wrong. If you look at the technicals what does VeriCoin offer that Paypal doesn't. VeriCoin's target users are required to "trust" a centralized service. Now who are you going to trust? Paypal or VeriCoin?

Only people bagholding this crapcoin were amatuers who are in it to make a quick buck and you just proved it by dreaming up somehow, someway VeriCoin will zoom past BTC. KEEP DREAMING  

Bitcoin in the likes will go mainstream when it's necessary simply because that it is the best freekmarket alternative to hyperinflated debt-based currencies.

I don't have a credit card. But I have Bitcoins, Myriad and gold and silver. And guess what? I know others who choose not to have credit cards/banks etc. In a few years none of us will use credit cards as we know it. Maybe bitcoin or gold back debit cards...

Wake up. debt = slavery http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2014/06/20140625_oomph.jpg

Calling VRC for what it is....is not FUD. It is pointing out the truth.

View it how you want. VRC is tarnished.

Only in the eyes of certain parties...namely the crypto decentralization purists. The truth is, to most random people (that would be the folks necessary to bring to crypto to ever make it 'mainstream'), Bitcoin is far more tarnished thanks to things like Silk Road and Gox than Vericoin will be by this. In the eyes of the everyday person, this will appear to many as being safer, knowing action can be taken to thwart a massive attack such as this.

While I normally give your serious commentary a fair bit of weight in the reading I do around here, I think that people who are viewing this occurrence in such a fashion are thinking too narrowly. For the average person, centralization and decentralization are not the black and white concepts they are viewed as here.

Occasionally, it is necessary to venture beyond the echo chamber of these forums to understand what still must come to pass before cryptocurrency can ever be a tool of the average Joe.

Please answer to me how VRC will be viewed as "safer" when there can be rollbacks in the future?

Personally I wouldn't want to accept VRC for payment if there is the possibility of a rollback that could take my coins for goods or services I sold to another person.

Please tell me how VRC will be viewed as "safer" because of this new precedent?

And another fact is that merchants already carry inherent risks of a reversible transaction. It happens through consumer protection on credit cards, and can be written off as fraud. I would say that if you were to use the speculation of the threat of a rollback to a merchant, it is only fair to speculate that a merchant could seek recompense through a fraud write off that they could already do with any credit card transaction.

Yes, this rollback has some ominous undertones if it is specifically viewed in such a light...and I think many here are trying to make that out to be the only case. But I think at this point in time, if you truly weigh facts against facts, and speculation against speculation, this is still more likely to be favorably viewed by John Q Public.

Great so vericoin will be the coin of fraudsters worldwide. This whole crypto thing is about having control of your money. I for one wont ever use this coin. I know a bunch of others who feel the same way too. It's too risky when the devs pull this kind of stunt.

The fact is, it takes weeks/months/years to build a coin and its reputation but only seconds to disrtroy it. That the wonderful thing about crypto. Some die horrible deaths quick deaths and other die from cancer in a long drawn out way. Vericoin has terminal cancer!

*I'm not a doctor but I do play one on T.V.

By your logic, then credit cards are the preferred tool of fraudsters worldwide. Ironically, it's not too far from the truth. Good thing no one trusts credit cards, amiright?

Do you even think about what you type before you type it, or are you having a seizure in close proximity to your PC and this is just the result?

I dont trust CC, I dont take them.. Not personally or through paypal.

I know millions of others in the same boat and I know millions of people lose billions of dollars yearly due to credit card fraud.

Its ok. VERICOIN IS THE COIN OF FRAUDSTERS WORLDWIDE!

Please continue!

Pls tell me where you live, I dont know anyone without a credit card. You want to carry cash, how convenient is that. You a drug dealer? Why would you need so much cash. You like money thats been in a hookers butt or a cokeheads nose? Or is it the smell of those pennies that gets ya excited?

You think you are the majority, or the minority? This is why VeriCoin will ZOOM right by bitcoin. Its people willing to use the technology for practical uses (VeriCoin) Verse Idealist (you)

Bitcoin is the gateway, things move so fast in this day in age. I bet you in 5 years you will say. "Man I remember Bitcoins, I thought I was gonna be rich" While the people who take the blockchain and make it practical are in the mansions.

[Bobsurplus]

Wrong. If you look at the technicals what does VeriCoin offer that Paypal doesn't. VeriCoin's target users are required to "trust" a centralized service. Now who are you going to trust? Paypal or VeriCoin?

Only people bagholding this crapcoin were amatuers who are in it to make a quick buck and you just proved it by dreaming up somehow, someway VeriCoin will zoom past BTC. KEEP DREAMING  

Bitcoin in the likes will go mainstream when it's necessary simply because that it is the best freekmarket alternative to hyperinflated debt-based currencies.

I don't have a credit card. But I have Bitcoins, Myriad and gold and silver. And guess what? I know others who choose not to have credit cards/banks etc. In a few years none of us will use credit cards as we know it. Maybe bitcoin or gold back debit cards...

Wake up. debt = slavery http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2014/06/20140625_oomph.jpg

Calling VRC for what it is....is not FUD. It is pointing out the truth.

View it how you want. VRC is tarnished.

Only in the eyes of certain parties...namely the crypto decentralization purists. The truth is, to most random people (that would be the folks necessary to bring to crypto to ever make it 'mainstream'), Bitcoin is far more tarnished thanks to things like Silk Road and Gox than Vericoin will be by this. In the eyes of the everyday person, this will appear to many as being safer, knowing action can be taken to thwart a massive attack such as this.

While I normally give your serious commentary a fair bit of weight in the reading I do around here, I think that people who are viewing this occurrence in such a fashion are thinking too narrowly. For the average person, centralization and decentralization are not the black and white concepts they are viewed as here.

Occasionally, it is necessary to venture beyond the echo chamber of these forums to understand what still must come to pass before cryptocurrency can ever be a tool of the average Joe.

Please answer to me how VRC will be viewed as "safer" when there can be rollbacks in the future?

Personally I wouldn't want to accept VRC for payment if there is the possibility of a rollback that could take my coins for goods or services I sold to another person.

Please tell me how VRC will be viewed as "safer" because of this new precedent?

And another fact is that merchants already carry inherent risks of a reversible transaction. It happens through consumer protection on credit cards, and can be written off as fraud. I would say that if you were to use the speculation of the threat of a rollback to a merchant, it is only fair to speculate that a merchant could seek recompense through a fraud write off that they could already do with any credit card transaction.

Yes, this rollback has some ominous undertones if it is specifically viewed in such a light...and I think many here are trying to make that out to be the only case. But I think at this point in time, if you truly weigh facts against facts, and speculation against speculation, this is still more likely to be favorably viewed by John Q Public.

Great so vericoin will be the coin of fraudsters worldwide. This whole crypto thing is about having control of your money. I for one wont ever use this coin. I know a bunch of others who feel the same way too. It's too risky when the devs pull this kind of stunt.

The fact is, it takes weeks/months/years to build a coin and its reputation but only seconds to disrtroy it. That the wonderful thing about crypto. Some die horrible deaths quick deaths and other die from cancer in a long drawn out way. Vericoin has terminal cancer!

*I'm not a doctor but I do play one on T.V.

By your logic, then credit cards are the preferred tool of fraudsters worldwide. Ironically, it's not too far from the truth. Good thing no one trusts credit cards, amiright?

Do you even think about what you type before you type it, or are you having a seizure in close proximity to your PC and this is just the result?

I dont trust CC, I dont take them.. Not personally or through paypal.

I know millions of others in the same boat and I know millions of people lose billions of dollars yearly due to credit card fraud.

Its ok. VERICOIN IS THE COIN OF FRAUDSTERS WORLDWIDE!

Please continue!

Pls tell me where you live, I dont know anyone without a credit card. You want to carry cash, how convenient is that. You a drug dealer? Why would you need so much cash. You like money thats been in a hookers butt or a cokeheads nose? Or is it the smell of those pennies that gets ya excited?

You think you are the majority, or the minority? This is why VeriCoin will ZOOM right by bitcoin. Its people willing to use the technology for practical uses (VeriCoin) Verse Idealist (you)

Bitcoin is the gateway, things move so fast in this day in age. I bet you in 5 years you will say. "Man I remember Bitcoins, I thought I was gonna be rich" While the people who take the blockchain and make it practical are in the mansions.

Dont you get it. Everyone here here such as myself and smoothie are already rich and in the mansions!

Step your game up!

[pb2014]

Rolling back really damages the integrity of the blockchain..

Should have switched to a new coin, and let the exchanges convert 1 for 1

Veri2coin

EDIT: Probably both needed to happen in this case for Vericoin to succeed.  Roll back to before the theft, then freeze markets and exchange for new coin.

And die like Sat2 or Summercoin2?? No thanks

Y'all are already looking death in the eyes... It would have been the best way to retain integrity of the blockchain.  It will be interesting to see if the people defending this coin will hold or dump.  Next few days will tell.

I wish everyone the best of luck involved in this coin!

I'm actually hoping for a dump. This is a strong coin and its hugely undervalued. I'll be buying lots if it ever gets dumped.