[ANN][VRC] VeriCoin Proof of Stake-Time Currency | New Roadmap Released

[Xosihc]

This either must be a joke and these three guys have no idea what they are doing or this a very nicely orchestrated scam with the sole purpose of making US$ 300K-400K and let ppl hold the bag.

You hit the nail on the head. This is a classic case of IT people gone awry. They have no clue what they are doing from a marketing standpoint. I've voiced my opinion on this many times in this chat forum but making the educated decision to present both Wiz and Socal as part of the team has been detrimental to their success.

Also PNosker continuously saying "we don't care about price", "we don't care about traders" is just plain stupid. Either they truly don't care about making money (which seems crazy to me but is plausible) or they don't realize how to run a publicly traded piece of equity, like an altcoin.

IMHO we have the classic case of a team of developers with all the books smarts and none of the street smarts.

[FryguyUK]

28 btc sell wall on mintpal

is that the scranton strangler???

[lucates]

28 btc sell wall on mintpal

is that the scranton strangler???

want presure people to sell coins!

[altcoinUK]

This either must be a joke and these three guys have no idea what they are doing or this a very nicely orchestrated scam with the sole purpose of making US$ 300K-400K and let ppl hold the bag.

You hit the nail on the head. This is a classic case of IT people gone awry. They have no clue what they are doing from a marketing standpoint. I've voiced my opinion on this many times in this chat forum but making the educated decision to present both Wiz and Socal as part of the team has been detrimental to their success.

Also PNosker continuously saying "we don't care about price", "we don't care about traders" is just plain stupid.

IMHO we have the classic case of a team of developers with all the books smarts and none of the street smarts.

Precisely that's what I think.

This coin needs US$ 2-3 million injection to get it to a sustainable position. The jokes about VeriBit (6 users worldwide), the FIAT feature (opening a web site from the app which was already not innovative in 1999) and the plan that third-world countries will use this coin (how that could will happen no one knows) will not help progressing this coin. Not these hardly innovative functionalities and plans, but only investment will provide the backbone for a healthy coin. However, Patrick Nosker is not interested in the price and investment which is as you said just plain stupid. If not investors create the hype (see Ethereum) but wizrig calibre pumpers in association with the Devs then this operation is going down. This coin need the hype from real investors with real money.

I feel the lead dev Nosker is very hypocritical. He says we are not interested in hype, price nor investors. On the other hand they go to the conference and organising some party to create the hype, frequently tweet about investors and before the dump create the hype with wizrig stating that they are here to create crypto-history.

[pnosker]

Every time before we where at a technical make or break point, we would get news about something "soon". Any chance to make healthy corrections where lost during the pumps. Now I think the day traders realize this won't go up 100% a day everyday and they are panic'd.

F'kin idiots.

Meanwhile, Everyone runs around like a chicken with their head cut off, No leadership, sigh.

Lost 1/3 our value in a day. Anytime I tried to get things on track, nothing. Nobody is near NYC that can try to make an effort to go outside and drop a paper wallet in a few iconic locations and create a game and some buzz about vericoin? Honestly, where is the coordination, the "team" is 3 people and a loosely affiliated gang of helpers is madness. Where do people go to solve issues, and create things for VRC?

I want to help create something big here but the more I think about it. Current money flow is showing that people are giving up on vericoin in masses in the last day alone? How are we going to create anything, bring in any support and create products for vericoin if nobody knows / cares about it?


I am so frustrated its hard to put into words. We can do better, but the more I think about it. Maybe its time to move on if nobody else gets it, or cares to make it better. I am sure someone will chime in and say this or that, but the fact of the matter is the products aren't wowing people enough. The words and hype created was bigger than any feature we released, and this is sad. Simply having a vision to be mainstream doesn't look like its going to be enough.

I have to agree with you on many issues you have pointed out.

Right now I am not sure whether the Devs are just inexperienced, naive, young scientists who want to change the world by rolling out a digital currency or just little scammer scum bags.

In the first hangout the devs associated themselves with wizrig, they presented wizrig as part of the team (at least from the talk and presentation any sane person would think wizrig was part of the team and plans) and were perfectly fine with wizrig's talk about creating history with vericoin, and then 3 days later a dump came. It makes me believe they could be easily in the second category (scammers).  
Since that hype there is no word about PR plan, following the hype and dump action wizrig disappeared from the vericoin screen and these three coin creator couldn't even manage to hire a PR firm. And know they think the regional representatives in Phillipines and Kenya will solve the problem of lack of investment/interest in the coin. In the meantime the devs communicate that they are not concerned about the price. But in the meantime there is a tweet almost every day that they had a very good meeting with investors. This either must be a joke and these three guys have no idea what they are doing or this a very nicely orchestrated scam with the sole purpose of making US$ 300K-400K and let ppl hold the bag.

The fact that the DEVS created the hype around 50K together with wizrig, and since nothing sensible happened around the coin makes them look not very good.

The main problem is that people are loosing hard earned cash because of the hype and dump, and people will be very unhappy to realise that while their money is gone, wizrig's Lamborghinies and Nosker's BMW 3M are just fine.

BlackCoin spent $32k on a PR firm. If you'd like to donate that, we would be happy to hire one.

As we mentioned before, we don't control Joel Bosch. If he doesn't do what he said he would, that sucks. But it's not us not doing what we said we would do.

By the way, I don't have an M3. I have a 2008 135i that I bought when I graduated college in 2011. It cost me $23,500, if you were wondering. I just paid it off (36 month loan) this year.

[socal]

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BlackCoin spent $32k on a PR firm. If you'd like to donate that, we would be happy to hire one.

As we mentioned before, we don't control Joel Bosch. If he doesn't do what he said he would, that sucks. But it's not us not doing what we said we would do.

By the way, I don't have an M3. I have a 2008 135i that I bought when I graduated college in 2011. It cost me $23,500, if you were wondering. I just paid it off (36 month loan) this year.

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THIS.

I see alot of the same few people over and over complaining about everything and trying to make baseless accusations, but not try to do an actual bit of REAL work to help support VRC.

Here's a novel idea guys, If you don't like whats happening THEN WHY DON'T YOU TRY TO HELP FIX IT?

[pnosker]

This either must be a joke and these three guys have no idea what they are doing or this a very nicely orchestrated scam with the sole purpose of making US$ 300K-400K and let ppl hold the bag.

You hit the nail on the head. This is a classic case of IT people gone awry. They have no clue what they are doing from a marketing standpoint. I've voiced my opinion on this many times in this chat forum but making the educated decision to present both Wiz and Socal as part of the team has been detrimental to their success.

Also PNosker continuously saying "we don't care about price", "we don't care about traders" is just plain stupid. Either they truly don't care about making money (which seems crazy to me but is plausible) or they don't realize how to run a publicly traded piece of equity, like an altcoin.

IMHO we have the classic case of a team of developers with all the books smarts and none of the street smarts.

Would you like to volunteer? We never said we were marketing geniuses. In fact, we asked for someone to help manage this early on and sdmathis volunteered to be a community manager, but we really need more.

I said we don't care about price in the sense that we will not release news/features specifically to manipulate price. I make enough money to live reasonably without crypto so I don't need to sell off when the coin starts tanking. Doug/David/I all are in the same boat. We're doing this not as unemployed developers looking to make a quick buck but because we saw a void between crypto and the real world and we wanted to fix it. Play the blame game all you want and feel free to speculate more, but we're doing what we can do and if you or someone else wants to help us push with marketing we would really appreciate it. If you honestly think there's a better coin with better real developers and marketing perhaps you can direct us to their information so we can see if we can adapt better. Almost all I see when I look at the selection of coins are scams, developers that have a Google Hangout and curse off investors, etc.

We are real people trying to build a real coin and ecosystem. Believe it or not, it's up to you.

[sdmathis]

Also PNosker continuously saying "we don't care about price", "we don't care about traders" is just plain stupid. Either they truly don't care about making money (which seems crazy to me but is plausible) or they don't realize how to run a publicly traded piece of equity, like an altcoin.

That's the problem. VeriCoin is NOT an equity. VeriCoin is a currency. As long as people expect VeriCoin and it's developers to treat it as an equity, they will be disappointed. As an equity, all crypto is doomed to failure. As currency, however, the story is different.

The goal, from the very beginning, was to create a widely accepted currency that is superior to what is currently available (fiat, bitcoin, etc...). The VeriCoin developers have been true to that goal and the coin is progressing well.

I know that some people have lost money because they bought high and are seeing the price decline. I sympathize with that. I too know what it is like to lose money in crypto, but it's foolish to buy crypto when you really want an equity. If you want to invest in equities, open an account with Ameritrade, but if you want to invest in what many (including myself) believe is the future, You're at the right place.

[RawCryp]

Let's remember VRC has been through alot and has alot of FUD around it, Vericoin is the only coin that is accepted anywhere BTC is accepted. Saying that to someone while handing them a VRC wallet is enough to make them believe they have something valuable in their possession.

Everyone new I talk to seems to have heard something about BTC but knows nothing about the huge alt coin community underneath it.

I believe in VRC and want to help, I am interested in the idea of not just paper wallets but "promo wallets". Making wallets that give people an incentive to use them, ads promotions to products and such.

[barabbas]

This either must be a joke and these three guys have no idea what they are doing or this a very nicely orchestrated scam with the sole purpose of making US$ 300K-400K and let ppl hold the bag.

You hit the nail on the head. This is a classic case of IT people gone awry. They have no clue what they are doing from a marketing standpoint. I've voiced my opinion on this many times in this chat forum but making the educated decision to present both Wiz and Socal as part of the team has been detrimental to their success.

Also PNosker continuously saying "we don't care about price", "we don't care about traders" is just plain stupid. Either they truly don't care about making money (which seems crazy to me but is plausible) or they don't realize how to run a publicly traded piece of equity, like an altcoin.

IMHO we have the classic case of a team of developers with all the books smarts and none of the street smarts.

And you hit several nails straight on the head. What did you expect though? these are two full time students (of totally unrelated to business and marketing matters, mind you) and a young programmer working for Microsoft full time. You expected them to be marketing geniuses? Professional business men?

You are right regarding Socal and Wiz/ Joel Bosch. The former, handsome as he is, is probably the less suitable individual on planet Earth to be doing anything publicly for VRC... no matter how restrained he must have become of late. We all know what's underneath. And it is not good for VRC. As for Bosch, he's tainted by his crypto history and his affiliation with The Black Hand. And, generally, with bullshit. Not a good association at all. But, in truth, nothing that the devs could do anything about.

As for Patrick Nokster, he is not suitable for PR either. Not at all. He has the logical arrogance of youth and his inexperience and will to be nice to everyone but their own, everyone that he considers of importance for him, is simply impossible to balance with running, de facto, a $6 million enterprise. He says many inappropriate things. Many. But, like I said, it is understandable given the circumstances (him being the frontman and having to do interviews for which he has not been adequately prepared previously).

So those holes I mentioned above, are, among other things, a press/pr liason and general social media coordinator who would be the one making official statements on behalf of VRC. A financial advisor who would set the route, financially, that VRC must follow, along with the technical roadmap. And projects with project leaders (maybe the Regional leaders initiative?) that the community will finance and support. You expect all of that, in 2 months, from two full time students full of youth and arrogance and a Microsoft full-time employee? Well, then you are going to be disappointed, sorry.

But, first things first: VRC is pretending, so far, to be all solutions to all things. Which cannot be. It has to DEFINITE what it is, first and, way more importantly, set the CLEAR path to follow. We cannot pretend the rollback did not happen. If we pretend to remain a purist crypto coin that will allow thieves to get away with robbery and fraud, like every other crypto seems to be, it will be not credible and confusing; if we, on the other hand, state, clearly that yes, we welcome regulation, yes we will do anything possible when circumstances warrant to avoid the investors getting hurt and the thieves left to dry, then we are talking to an audience. And gaining their trust and support. Maybe it isn't the core crypto purists, but it will be, I bet, a much bigger one, much closer to the mainstream. What we cannot pretend is to play in the two teams at once. It doesn't work that way. And that's the game Patrick Nokster has been playing since the rollback happened. Is that one of the reasons for this price debacle? No one knows. What everyone DOES know though is that you are either in one team or the other and, for now at least, VRC is in some unsustainable zone right in the middle not knowing what way to go and, actually, not wanting to go either but longing to go back, rather that MARCHING forward.

[buy4crypto]

Every time before we where at a technical make or break point, we would get news about something "soon". Any chance to make healthy corrections where lost during the pumps. Now I think the day traders realize this won't go up 100% a day everyday and they are panic'd.

F'kin idiots.

Meanwhile, Everyone runs around like a chicken with their head cut off, No leadership, sigh.

Lost 1/3 our value in a day. Anytime I tried to get things on track, nothing. Nobody is near NYC that can try to make an effort to go outside and drop a paper wallet in a few iconic locations and create a game and some buzz about vericoin? Honestly, where is the coordination, the "team" is 3 people and a loosely affiliated gang of helpers is madness. Where do people go to solve issues, and create things for VRC?

I want to help create something big here but the more I think about it. Current money flow is showing that people are giving up on vericoin in masses in the last day alone? How are we going to create anything, bring in any support and create products for vericoin if nobody knows / cares about it?


I am so frustrated its hard to put into words. We can do better, but the more I think about it. Maybe its time to move on if nobody else gets it, or cares to make it better. I am sure someone will chime in and say this or that, but the fact of the matter is the products aren't wowing people enough. The words and hype created was bigger than any feature we released, and this is sad. Simply having a vision to be mainstream doesn't look like its going to be enough.

I have to agree with you on many issues you have pointed out.

Right now I am not sure whether the Devs are just inexperienced, naive, young scientists who want to change the world by rolling out a digital currency or just little scammer scum bags.

In the first hangout the devs associated themselves with wizrig, they presented wizrig as part of the team (at least from the talk and presentation any sane person would think wizrig was part of the team and plans) and were perfectly fine with wizrig's talk about creating history with vericoin, and then 3 days later a dump came. It makes me believe they could be easily in the second category (scammers).  
Since that hype there is no word about PR plan, following the hype and dump action wizrig disappeared from the vericoin screen and these three coin creator couldn't even manage to hire a PR firm. And know they think the regional representatives in Phillipines and Kenya will solve the problem of lack of investment/interest in the coin. In the meantime the devs communicate that they are not concerned about the price. But in the meantime there is a tweet almost every day that they had a very good meeting with investors. This either must be a joke and these three guys have no idea what they are doing or this a very nicely orchestrated scam with the sole purpose of making US$ 300K-400K and let ppl hold the bag.

The fact that the DEVS created the hype around 50K together with wizrig, and since nothing sensible happened around the coin makes them look not very good.

The main problem is that people are loosing hard earned cash because of the hype and dump, and people will be very unhappy to realise that while their money is gone, wizrig's Lamborghinies and Nosker's BMW 3M are just fine.

BlackCoin spent $32k on a PR firm. If you'd like to donate that, we would be happy to hire one.

As we mentioned before, we don't control Joel Bosch. If he doesn't do what he said he would, that sucks. But it's not us not doing what we said we would do.

By the way, I don't have an M3. I have a 2008 135i that I bought when I graduated college in 2011. It cost me $23,500, if you were wondering. I just paid it off (36 month loan) this year.

A great place to start branding ourselves, would be to STOP comparing it to freeking blackcoin all the time. I am sick of hearing how we are like ANY other coin in ANY regard. If we want to innovate a new frontier, PLEASE, for the love of god stop talking about BLACKCOIN!

[ofp]

This either must be a joke and these three guys have no idea what they are doing or this a very nicely orchestrated scam with the sole purpose of making US$ 300K-400K and let ppl hold the bag.

You hit the nail on the head. This is a classic case of IT people gone awry. They have no clue what they are doing from a marketing standpoint. I've voiced my opinion on this many times in this chat forum but making the educated decision to present both Wiz and Socal as part of the team has been detrimental to their success.

Also PNosker continuously saying "we don't care about price", "we don't care about traders" is just plain stupid. Either they truly don't care about making money (which seems crazy to me but is plausible) or they don't realize how to run a publicly traded piece of equity, like an altcoin.

IMHO we have the classic case of a team of developers with all the books smarts and none of the street smarts.

Would you like to volunteer? We never said we were marketing geniuses. In fact, we asked for someone to help manage this early on and sdmathis volunteered to be a community manager, but we really need more.

I said we don't care about price in the sense that we will not release news/features specifically to manipulate price. I make enough money to live reasonably without crypto so I don't need to sell off when the coin starts tanking. Doug/David/I all are in the same boat. We're doing this not as unemployed developers looking to make a quick buck but because we saw a void between crypto and the real world and we wanted to fix it. Play the blame game all you want and feel free to speculate more, but we're doing what we can do and if you or someone else wants to help us push with marketing we would really appreciate it. If you honestly think there's a better coin with better real developers and marketing perhaps you can direct us to their information so we can see if we can adapt better. Almost all I see when I look at the selection of coins are scams, developers that have a Google Hangout and curse off investors, etc.

We are real people trying to build a real coin and ecosystem. Believe it or not, it's up to you.

Let's get the regional leaders group, which is a great idea, set up and good to go.

[Bobsurplus]

See what happens when you guys support a rollback. You're down over 33% and drowning slowly.

[barabbas]

Every time before we where at a technical make or break point, we would get news about something "soon". Any chance to make healthy corrections where lost during the pumps. Now I think the day traders realize this won't go up 100% a day everyday and they are panic'd.

F'kin idiots.

Meanwhile, Everyone runs around like a chicken with their head cut off, No leadership, sigh.

Lost 1/3 our value in a day. Anytime I tried to get things on track, nothing. Nobody is near NYC that can try to make an effort to go outside and drop a paper wallet in a few iconic locations and create a game and some buzz about vericoin? Honestly, where is the coordination, the "team" is 3 people and a loosely affiliated gang of helpers is madness. Where do people go to solve issues, and create things for VRC?

I want to help create something big here but the more I think about it. Current money flow is showing that people are giving up on vericoin in masses in the last day alone? How are we going to create anything, bring in any support and create products for vericoin if nobody knows / cares about it?


I am so frustrated its hard to put into words. We can do better, but the more I think about it. Maybe its time to move on if nobody else gets it, or cares to make it better. I am sure someone will chime in and say this or that, but the fact of the matter is the products aren't wowing people enough. The words and hype created was bigger than any feature we released, and this is sad. Simply having a vision to be mainstream doesn't look like its going to be enough.

I have to agree with you on many issues you have pointed out.

Right now I am not sure whether the Devs are just inexperienced, naive, young scientists who want to change the world by rolling out a digital currency or just little scammer scum bags.

In the first hangout the devs associated themselves with wizrig, they presented wizrig as part of the team (at least from the talk and presentation any sane person would think wizrig was part of the team and plans) and were perfectly fine with wizrig's talk about creating history with vericoin, and then 3 days later a dump came. It makes me believe they could be easily in the second category (scammers).  
Since that hype there is no word about PR plan, following the hype and dump action wizrig disappeared from the vericoin screen and these three coin creator couldn't even manage to hire a PR firm. And know they think the regional representatives in Phillipines and Kenya will solve the problem of lack of investment/interest in the coin. In the meantime the devs communicate that they are not concerned about the price. But in the meantime there is a tweet almost every day that they had a very good meeting with investors. This either must be a joke and these three guys have no idea what they are doing or this a very nicely orchestrated scam with the sole purpose of making US$ 300K-400K and let ppl hold the bag.

The fact that the DEVS created the hype around 50K together with wizrig, and since nothing sensible happened around the coin makes them look not very good.

The main problem is that people are loosing hard earned cash because of the hype and dump, and people will be very unhappy to realise that while their money is gone, wizrig's Lamborghinies and Nosker's BMW 3M are just fine.

BlackCoin spent $32k on a PR firm. If you'd like to donate that, we would be happy to hire one.

As we mentioned before, we don't control Joel Bosch. If he doesn't do what he said he would, that sucks. But it's not us not doing what we said we would do.

By the way, I don't have an M3. I have a 2008 135i that I bought when I graduated college in 2011. It cost me $23,500, if you were wondering. I just paid it off (36 month loan) this year.

Again the mention of BC, a dying coin with a history of fraud and corrupt to the core. Why Patrick?

The hiring of the Borgess Agency is one of the most laughed off decisions ever happening in crypto. Everyone knows by now that moriture13/doghnip, an employee of the Borgess Agency and visible lead of The Black Hand, was behind and subsidizing it in part. Why even mention that here?

The need, even though you probably won't recognize it, is there as I have stated before. But hiring a PR agency is NOT the answer. Associating with Joel Bosch, a tainted individual, also Black Hand, was not wise even if it was somehow inevitable. Distancing from him IS indeed wise. as is distancing from Will, no matter how much of a good friend he might be. And finding someone who, first, cares for the image of VRC and, more importantly, KNOWS how to preserve that image. It may cost. Or he may be freely available. Have you tried to find him? Or you just believe you are perfectly capable of doing it? Because you aren't, sorry.

[Wreathy]

I bought vericoin as a long term investment, why you here is your just in for quick profits?.

[pnosker]

A great place to start branding ourselves, would be to STOP comparing it to freeking blackcoin all the time. I am sick of hearing how we are like ANY other coin in ANY regard. If we want to innovate a new frontier, PLEASE, for the love of god stop talking about BLACKCOIN!

Again the mention of BC, a dying coin with a history of fraud and corrupt to the core. Why Patrick?

The hiring of the Borgess Agency is one of the most laughed off decisions ever happening in crypto. Everyone knows by now that moriture13/doghnip, an employee of the Borgess Agency and visible lead of The Black Hand, was behind and subsidizing it in part. Why even mention that here?

The need, even though you probably won't recognize it, is there as I have stated before. But hiring a PR agency is NOT the answer. Associating with Joel Bosch, a tainted individual, also Black Hand, was not wise even if it was somehow inevitable. Distancing from him IS indeed wise. as is distancing from Will, no matter how much of a good friend he might be. And finding someone who, first, cares for the image of VRC and, more importantly, KNOWS how to preserve that image. It may cost. Or he may be freely available. Have you tried to find him? Or you just believe you are perfectly capable of doing it? Because you aren't, sorry.

I'm not sure if you two realize this, but I used the example of BC because they are the only altcoin with a PR Agency representing them... Not because we're trying to compare to them. altcoinUK stated that we "couldn't even manage to hire a PR firm." I'm saying, "show us the money" and we'll hire one. An approximate cost is $32,000. So, if someone wants to send us $32,000 we can hire one. Not saying anything about BC besides the fact that they have a PR firm and it's almost useless for them.

[barabbas]

A great place to start branding ourselves, would be to STOP comparing it to freeking blackcoin all the time. I am sick of hearing how we are like ANY other coin in ANY regard. If we want to innovate a new frontier, PLEASE, for the love of god stop talking about BLACKCOIN!

Again the mention of BC, a dying coin with a history of fraud and corrupt to the core. Why Patrick?

The hiring of the Borgess Agency is one of the most laughed off decisions ever happening in crypto. Everyone knows by now that moriture13/doghnip, an employee of the Borgess Agency and visible lead of The Black Hand, was behind and subsidizing it in part. Why even mention that here?

The need, even though you probably won't recognize it, is there as I have stated before. But hiring a PR agency is NOT the answer. Associating with Joel Bosch, a tainted individual, also Black Hand, was not wise even if it was somehow inevitable. Distancing from him IS indeed wise. as is distancing from Will, no matter how much of a good friend he might be. And finding someone who, first, cares for the image of VRC and, more importantly, KNOWS how to preserve that image. It may cost. Or he may be freely available. Have you tried to find him? Or you just believe you are perfectly capable of doing it? Because you aren't, sorry.

I'm not sure if you two realize this, but I used the example of BC because they are the only altcoin with a PR Agency representing them... Not because we're trying to compare to them. altcoinUK stated that we "couldn't even manage to hire a PR firm." I'm saying, "show us the money" and we'll hire one. An approximate cost is $32,000. So, if someone wants to send us $32,000 we can hire one. Not saying anything about BC besides the fact that they have a PR firm and it's almost useless for them.

And that reference is absurd Patrick for EVEN if the community were willing to pony up $32,000, YOU should not allow the hiring of a PR Agency because, precisely, you have witnessed the idiocy -among other things- that hiring one was for BC. YOU, the leader of VRC, should say precisely that VRC will NOT hire a PR company because you have the example by which it does not work and it is a waste of money. And you should defend your (roll back) decision, not defend those who very harshly criticized it stating the "they have a reason to be critical". If they do, you should have not made the decision to roll back. You can please some of the people all the time but you cannot please all the people all the time.

And focusing your comments on what cannot be done -let alone shouldn't be done- is not proactive nor serves any practical purpose. Marching forward, proactively, does. And by that I mean doing what can be done. You are bright enough to see that, you just don't want to face the music that goes with it and arrogantly defend positions that perhaps are just irrelevant now. That will not be marching forward. Ever.

[buy4crypto]

So here is my question, and it means everything to people's current investment.

Is their any plans to improve PR and or marketing? Not a "it's coming soon" But a real plan? If this is as good as it gets. I think 23k is a great price to get out and save a couple bucks.

You cannot go mainstream without a plan. Simply saying you to want to be mainstream, and making products with no demand, and very little attempt to create it looks.. well bad. I would be more than happy to do anything I can, but the lack of organization for such efforts is crazy.

[FryguyUK]

See what happens when you guys support a rollback. You're down over 33% and drowning slowly.

If there was no rollback when it was so easily do-able it'd be a gigantic blow to all cryptocurrency in general even bitcoin, in regards to fueling the critics in the media.

[MAD945]

1. We need to get off this forum...its tooooo Toxic. We can easily close this forum and have a link to vericointalk forum

2. We need a dedicated News Site, with updates and developments once a week

3. We need to separate ourselves from the rest of pack of shit/scam coins