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June 12, 2014, 01:14:27 AM
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I've been trying to setup a Curecoin pool using NOMP but haven't had any luck yet, is there something out of the ordinary with block submissions? I keep seeing messages like this when submitting a block:

We thought a block was found but it was rejected by the daemon, share data: {"job":"10a2","ip":"127.0.0.1","worker":"bsom.1","height":2903,"reward":13000000,"difficulty":106.83760684,"shareDiff":"78839945.97002709","blockDiff":3675593.04712938,"blockDiffActual":3675593.04712938,"blockHash":"000000000000003679e92759a80c36f6f40d2a370bf9f03ce0567b707358369b"}

Using the latest wallet with the following coin config:

{
    "name": "Curecoin",
    "symbol": "CURE",
    "algorithm": "sha256"
}

I have the same issues as well. I am very interested in the answer.

Same issue here, too

Anyone? I have everything in place for a CURE pool and miners wanting to mine but its useless if block submissions don't work.

I believe runlinux found a solution to this that he mentioned in IRC, something about setting the daemon settings to accept some sort of message. I'll ask him on IRC and post back.

Any luck? Still looking to get a CURE pool running.

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June 12, 2014, 06:39:22 AM
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since the devs did not release the addresses ipo where paid to due to ipo holders concern for privacy, can they at least tell us how many ipo coins are left at the addresses they paid out too, since it seems clear this coin will go no where until there is no ipo left to dump... ty

All of the ipo investors haven't sold any coins... at least the ones that visit the irc channel.
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June 12, 2014, 11:02:37 AM
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I've been trying to setup a Curecoin pool using NOMP but haven't had any luck yet, is there something out of the ordinary with block submissions? I keep seeing messages like this when submitting a block:

We thought a block was found but it was rejected by the daemon, share data: {"job":"10a2","ip":"127.0.0.1","worker":"bsom.1","height":2903,"reward":13000000,"difficulty":106.83760684,"shareDiff":"78839945.97002709","blockDiff":3675593.04712938,"blockDiffActual":3675593.04712938,"blockHash":"000000000000003679e92759a80c36f6f40d2a370bf9f03ce0567b707358369b"}

Using the latest wallet with the following coin config:

{
    "name": "Curecoin",
    "symbol": "CURE",
    "algorithm": "sha256"
}

I have the same issues as well. I am very interested in the answer.

Same issue here, too

Anyone? I have everything in place for a CURE pool and miners wanting to mine but its useless if block submissions don't work.

I believe runlinux found a solution to this that he mentioned in IRC, something about setting the daemon settings to accept some sort of message. I'll ask him on IRC and post back.

Any luck? Still looking to get a CURE pool running.

{
    "name": "Curecoin",
    "symbol": "CURE",
    "algorithm": "sha256",
    "txMessages" : true
}

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June 12, 2014, 11:04:57 AM
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This is true innovation at it's best, everything that you are looking in a coin are all integrated in the wallet.  Cheesy Grin
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June 12, 2014, 11:58:02 AM
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since the devs did not release the addresses ipo where paid to due to ipo holders concern for privacy, can they at least tell us how many ipo coins are left at the addresses they paid out too, since it seems clear this coin will go no where until there is no ipo left to dump... ty

They DID release this.

Public Ledger of Premined Coin
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June 12, 2014, 02:24:12 PM
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As mentioned a few posts ago I booked a 5$ instance at Digitalocean (1 core) yesterday. After a few hours I decided to upgrade to the 20$ plan (2 cores). So two hours ago I started a new project of which 1% lasts 74 minutes. Finishing that project will take me therefore roughly 5 days. And this is what I got in the terminal:
Code:
12:46:34:WU00:FS00:Final credit estimate, 634.00 points
12:46:34:WU00:FS00:Cleaning up
12:46:38:WU01:FS00:0xa3:Mapping NT from 2 to 2
12:46:40:WU01:FS00:0xa3:Completed 0 out of 500000 steps  (0%)
14:00:40:WU01:FS00:0xa3:Completed 5000 out of 500000 steps  (1%)
Seriously? 634 points for 5 days?

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June 12, 2014, 02:33:28 PM
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since the devs did not release the addresses ipo where paid to due to ipo holders concern for privacy, can they at least tell us how many ipo coins are left at the addresses they paid out too, since it seems clear this coin will go no where until there is no ipo left to dump... ty

They DID release this.

Public Ledger of Premined Coin

Firstly Ty for link

http://explorer.m3ct0n.net/curecoin/address/hash/B4t4zGRYmUHAjxSF8kbx7wVm8dW21FKorM
http://explorer.m3ct0n.net/curecoin/address/hash/BJGug557HCVZQ8qT9gGytwTaWFizHQsQq6
http://explorer.m3ct0n.net/curecoin/address/hash/B52zM3WeJKCHkSX5cYt6AbUiiSno7d6E2U
http://explorer.m3ct0n.net/curecoin/address/hash/BSqR5rp9vtbyvXWZjznK3eLJuEQbjtUbtp
http://explorer.m3ct0n.net/curecoin/address/hash/B8qcW9wBeideGbb2PwVvL3QKdeQgWcM9nv

And well u get the idea... maybe one day when i have too much free time i will do a total count of remaining IPO coins...

Edit: That's not to say some of these ppl didn't simply move the coins to a new address.



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June 12, 2014, 06:44:39 PM
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since the devs did not release the addresses ipo where paid to due to ipo holders concern for privacy, can they at least tell us how many ipo coins are left at the addresses they paid out too, since it seems clear this coin will go no where until there is no ipo left to dump... ty

They DID release this.

Public Ledger of Premined Coin

Firstly Ty for link

http://explorer.m3ct0n.net/curecoin/address/hash/B4t4zGRYmUHAjxSF8kbx7wVm8dW21FKorM
http://explorer.m3ct0n.net/curecoin/address/hash/BJGug557HCVZQ8qT9gGytwTaWFizHQsQq6
http://explorer.m3ct0n.net/curecoin/address/hash/B52zM3WeJKCHkSX5cYt6AbUiiSno7d6E2U
http://explorer.m3ct0n.net/curecoin/address/hash/BSqR5rp9vtbyvXWZjznK3eLJuEQbjtUbtp
http://explorer.m3ct0n.net/curecoin/address/hash/B8qcW9wBeideGbb2PwVvL3QKdeQgWcM9nv

And well u get the idea... maybe one day when i have too much free time i will do a total count of remaining IPO coins...

Edit: That's not to say some of these ppl didn't simply move the coins to a new address.





Just went thru all the addresses and saw that 8 out of the 29 addresses has moved all/most/some of their coins with the rest holding. Doesn't seem too bad to me.
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June 12, 2014, 07:55:13 PM
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My payout have been about -40% off and that is not a calculations error.

//Aboy68

I did calculations, and looks like there is difference on daily basis, but total is very close to what it should be. So please do total calculation of at least 10 days.

First the payout are only based on daily shares so the averages out in 10 days are even more strange, there should not be ANY variations in these type of calculations. For fun I did a 12day calculation and it was still -12% off from what it should be. -12% for my are almost 3 GPU's not working and that are a lot of waste for noting.

Look at this spread of errors it makes me HuhHuhHuhHuh??, again - Please developers - put all details on the table. What is going on?

Calculated coins   Wallet coins       Diff
213,3277512   126,95       -68%
202,5632982   146,3               -38%
144,6901068   152,24         5%
146,3821938   152,24         4%
154,8686699   156,65         1%
170,2160332   157,8                -8%
181,9166571   157,8              -15%
127,0696147   94,17              -35%
111,6924741   80,61              -39%
82,82930888   95,38               13%
92,20017242   90,37               -2%
91,59280485   48,8               -88%


All information is grabbed from these pages:
http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/team_summary.php?s=&t=224497
http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_summary.php?s=&u=656893
Daily points 2014-05-30 to 2014-06-10.
Total coins a day: 7488 coins.

Please look deeper in to your setup, something are not what it should be.
//Aboy68

It's quite possible that daily payouts vary a bit from what is shown on those stats (For example they right now show 2,694,052 while ours show 2,733,030 for you). Based on some napkin math on my end, you should have gotten 184.8486 coins in the latest frame, what payout did you receive?

It's so confusing that you can read out statistics from different pages, and then they are not synct in time so they are all different, it would be nice with someone that point to a source of data we all should use to know..... it takes to much energy to drive this issue, if you all find a nice solution to this confusedness, I'm the one to be the first to say thank you.
Keep on folding and be happy! I will continue, my dad did die in cancer  Embarrassed
//Aboy68

Sorry to hear about your dad Sad

We do have a frame stats page, which resets when our internal stats server resets, and is available here: http://stats.curecoinfolding.com/daily.html. It's important to note that those numbers are calculated as-is for the points currently submitted in the frame. We pushed some changes back-end with PPLNS that should get the payouts closer to the correct number in tradeoff for the cooldown payouts after stopping folding (as PPLNS does normally), so let me know if you see your payouts deviating significantly from what that link shows. Smiley

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June 12, 2014, 08:17:23 PM
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My payout have been about -40% off and that is not a calculations error.

//Aboy68

I did calculations, and looks like there is difference on daily basis, but total is very close to what it should be. So please do total calculation of at least 10 days.

First the payout are only based on daily shares so the averages out in 10 days are even more strange, there should not be ANY variations in these type of calculations. For fun I did a 12day calculation and it was still -12% off from what it should be. -12% for my are almost 3 GPU's not working and that are a lot of waste for noting.

Look at this spread of errors it makes me HuhHuhHuhHuh??, again - Please developers - put all details on the table. What is going on?

Calculated coins   Wallet coins       Diff
213,3277512   126,95       -68%
202,5632982   146,3               -38%
144,6901068   152,24         5%
146,3821938   152,24         4%
154,8686699   156,65         1%
170,2160332   157,8                -8%
181,9166571   157,8              -15%
127,0696147   94,17              -35%
111,6924741   80,61              -39%
82,82930888   95,38               13%
92,20017242   90,37               -2%
91,59280485   48,8               -88%


All information is grabbed from these pages:
http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/team_summary.php?s=&t=224497
http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_summary.php?s=&u=656893
Daily points 2014-05-30 to 2014-06-10.
Total coins a day: 7488 coins.

Please look deeper in to your setup, something are not what it should be.
//Aboy68

It's quite possible that daily payouts vary a bit from what is shown on those stats (For example they right now show 2,694,052 while ours show 2,733,030 for you). Based on some napkin math on my end, you should have gotten 184.8486 coins in the latest frame, what payout did you receive?

It's so confusing that you can read out statistics from different pages, and then they are not synct in time so they are all different, it would be nice with someone that point to a source of data we all should use to know..... it takes to much energy to drive this issue, if you all find a nice solution to this confusedness, I'm the one to be the first to say thank you.
Keep on folding and be happy! I will continue, my dad did die in cancer  Embarrassed
//Aboy68

Sorry to hear about your dad Sad

We do have a frame stats page, which resets when our internal stats server resets, and is available here: http://stats.curecoinfolding.com/daily.html. It's important to note that those numbers are calculated as-is for the points currently submitted in the frame. We pushed some changes back-end with PPLNS that should get the payouts closer to the correct number in tradeoff for the cooldown payouts after stopping folding (as PPLNS does normally), so let me know if you see your payouts deviating significantly from what that link shows. Smiley
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June 12, 2014, 08:59:36 PM
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10YF2W9Iwbn77ybCsj5Lxqa_Dzvo6WedbRGBwoBOrm3k/edit?usp=sharing also in OP

Curecoin public ledger of premine has been updated.

Ill be updating this monthly or bimonthly, since there will be very few tx needed going forward.

Note - The premine has been split into multiple cold storage encrypted wallets for extra security.

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June 12, 2014, 09:03:05 PM
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I'm not on this list. Why?

Try this list, there is 15 pages of users, check your total score and it will be easier to find what page you are on.

http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_list.php?s=&t=224497&p=1

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June 12, 2014, 09:25:30 PM
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I'm not on this list. Why?

Try this list, there is 15 pages of users, check your total score and it will be easier to find what page you are on.

http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_list.php?s=&t=224497&p=1
Thanks a lot. I found myself at rank 1089.

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June 13, 2014, 11:47:04 AM
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I'm not on this list. Why?

Try this list, there is 15 pages of users, check your total score and it will be easier to find what page you are on.

http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_list.php?s=&t=224497&p=1
Thanks a lot. I found myself at rank 1089.

Why you are not showing up on this list (http://stats.curecoinfolding.com/daily.html).
This list is like an bucket that are empty once a day and if you don't finish a work then you don't have a possition on this list, this list is only one day deap from the time it was empty.  OK?
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June 13, 2014, 02:30:14 PM
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I'm not on this list. Why?

Try this list, there is 15 pages of users, check your total score and it will be easier to find what page you are on.

http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_list.php?s=&t=224497&p=1
Thanks a lot. I found myself at rank 1089.

Why you are not showing up on this list (http://stats.curecoinfolding.com/daily.html).
This list is like an bucket that are empty once a day and if you don't finish a work then you don't have a possition on this list, this list is only one day deap from the time it was empty.  OK?
I don't know. My folders are running 24/7. I setup a 2-core instance at Digitalocean for monthly 20$ just as lasershurt advised in his little tutorial. I also have F@H running on my Mac (2 cores) and my Linux PC (3 cores).

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June 13, 2014, 02:58:37 PM
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I'm not on this list. Why?

Try this list, there is 15 pages of users, check your total score and it will be easier to find what page you are on.

http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_list.php?s=&t=224497&p=1
Thanks a lot. I found myself at rank 1089.

Why you are not showing up on this list (http://stats.curecoinfolding.com/daily.html).
This list is like an bucket that are empty once a day and if you don't finish a work then you don't have a possition on this list, this list is only one day deap from the time it was empty.  OK?
I don't know. My folders are running 24/7. I setup a 2-core instance at Digitalocean for monthly 20$ just as lasershurt advised in his little tutorial. I also have F@H running on my Mac (2 cores) and my Linux PC (3 cores).

I'm guessing somewhere there's an issue with your settings.

Since you're running on CPUs only, did you try using the NaCl client on chrome (for your mac at least)?
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June 13, 2014, 03:27:53 PM
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I'm not on this list. Why?

Try this list, there is 15 pages of users, check your total score and it will be easier to find what page you are on.

http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_list.php?s=&t=224497&p=1
Thanks a lot. I found myself at rank 1089.

Why you are not showing up on this list (http://stats.curecoinfolding.com/daily.html).
This list is like an bucket that are empty once a day and if you don't finish a work then you don't have a possition on this list, this list is only one day deap from the time it was empty.  OK?
I don't know. My folders are running 24/7. I setup a 2-core instance at Digitalocean for monthly 20$ just as lasershurt advised in his little tutorial. I also have F@H running on my Mac (2 cores) and my Linux PC (3 cores).

I'm guessing somewhere there's an issue with your settings.

Since you're running on CPUs only, did you try using the NaCl client on chrome (for your mac at least)?
NaCl doesn't run on my Ubuntu PC. Chromium refuses it. Yes I will try it on the Mac.

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Last edit: June 13, 2014, 06:34:27 PM by anonerd
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June 13, 2014, 06:20:59 PM
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I'm not on this list. Why?

Try this list, there is 15 pages of users, check your total score and it will be easier to find what page you are on.

http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_list.php?s=&t=224497&p=1
Thanks a lot. I found myself at rank 1089.

Why you are not showing up on this list (http://stats.curecoinfolding.com/daily.html).
This list is like an bucket that are empty once a day and if you don't finish a work then you don't have a possition on this list, this list is only one day deap from the time it was empty.  OK?
I don't know. My folders are running 24/7. I setup a 2-core instance at Digitalocean for monthly 20$ just as lasershurt advised in his little tutorial. I also have F@H running on my Mac (2 cores) and my Linux PC (3 cores).

CPUs generate a lot less than GPUs. The Digital Ocean machine won't produce a whole lot.
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June 13, 2014, 06:28:32 PM
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I'm not on this list. Why?

Try this list, there is 15 pages of users, check your total score and it will be easier to find what page you are on.

http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_list.php?s=&t=224497&p=1
Thanks a lot. I found myself at rank 1089.

Why you are not showing up on this list (http://stats.curecoinfolding.com/daily.html).
This list is like an bucket that are empty once a day and if you don't finish a work then you don't have a possition on this list, this list is only one day deap from the time it was empty.  OK?
I don't know. My folders are running 24/7. I setup a 2-core instance at Digitalocean for monthly 20$ just as lasershurt advised in his little tutorial. I also have F@H running on my Mac (2 cores) and my Linux PC (3 cores).

CPUs generate a lot less than GPUs. The Digital Ocean machine won't produce a whole lot.
I noticed that, unfortunately. Well, donating 20$ to Digitalocean is no big deal, let's see how much I'm going to get in return. 2 hours ago I started the Chrome extension on the Mac, no clue if it uses the GeForce too.

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