[ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin"

[yudhistira]

Guys I'm still confuse please tell me more

I have 2 BTC and i want to buy clam coin
if about 300 clam on my wallet how many days to get 600 clam

[Chuck]

So, what made JustDice adopt them - what's special about CLAMS?

I like the initial distribution - CLAMs were effectively all pre-mined by the developers and then all given away, to everyone, equally.

Shouldn't we assume that the developers moved their own BTC/LTC/DOGE into many addresses, sometime before May 12th, and that CLAMS are maybe one of the greatest premines in altcoin history?

It's brilliant because we don't know if the unclaimed CLAMS belong to random people, an exchange's hot wallet, or the devs.

[picolo]

So, what made JustDice adopt them - what's special about CLAMS?

I like the initial distribution - CLAMs were effectively all pre-mined by the developers and then all given away, to everyone, equally.

Shouldn't we assume that the developers moved their own BTC/LTC/DOGE into many addresses, sometime before May 12th, and that CLAMS are maybe one of the greatest premines in altcoin history?

It's brilliant because we don't know if the unclaimed CLAMS belong to random people, an exchange's hot wallet, or the devs.

Of course they did, they have hundreds of thousands of CLAMS and will sell them as the price goes up.

[dooglus]

Shouldn't we assume that the developers moved their own BTC/LTC/DOGE into many addresses, sometime before May 12th, and that CLAMS are maybe one of the greatest premines in altcoin history?

It's brilliant because we don't know if the unclaimed CLAMS belong to random people, an exchange's hot wallet, or the devs.

They claim they didn't do this, but there's no way to know for sure.

One thing I'd point out is that CLAM was around for 6 months before Just-Dice started using it, and for that 6 months the price was pretty steadily falling to zero. I would expect most people knowingly sitting on a big pile of unclaimed CLAM would have dug it up and sold it at some point during that 6 months rather than watching as it became increasingly worthless.

That argument possibly doesn't apply to the CLAM developers themselves who would be more likely to be optimistic about CLAM's future, having so much time and energy invested in it.

[omahapoker]

I am long on CLAM. ive been following clam chart everyday since JD came back.



the supply dried up , price went up and now some are selling.

I see supply drying up again in 3-4 days. thats when we start flirting with 0.01

[dooglus]

I am long on CLAM. ive been following clam chart everyday since JD came back.

the supply dried up , price went up and now some are selling.

I see supply drying up again in 3-4 days. thats when we start flirting with 0.01

I think the higher the price goes, the more people are willing to sell. It was around 0.0055 for so long that 0.007 seems like a good price for people to sell at. I doubt we'll go much higher for a while.

[chriswen]

I am long on CLAM. ive been following clam chart everyday since JD came back.

the supply dried up , price went up and now some are selling.

I see supply drying up again in 3-4 days. thats when we start flirting with 0.01

I really like how CLAMS are structured that it's basically a bond.  The price is partially based not only on the interest rate but also the interest rate compared to other products.  I actually cashed out clams at a slight loss because I learned about okcoin futures and that has a much higher risk and return rate.  

Yeah and we also need to take into account capital appreciation versus interest rate.  It's a 27% gain for people who bought at 0.0055.  But eventually the price should steadily rise as JD user base grows or maybe other demand will arise for clams.  And like you said people might sell but then the price will go up once the people who sell have no more to sell.

One thing if you invest is that you should be careful not to hangout in the chat room.  Dangerous place for investors.  It's just a big trap of people trying to get you to gamble.   

[Small]

Would it be smart to make an online-wallet service for CLAM?

[BayAreaCoins]

Would it be smart to make an online-wallet service for CLAM?

Yes! That is a staking pool too please.

So people earn CLAMS by storing clams safely on the online wallet (something like Blockchain or anything tbh... we just need clam services!)

[Small]

Would it be smart to make an online-wallet service for CLAM?

Yes! That is a staking pool too please.

So people earn CLAMS by storing clams safely on the online wallet (something like Blockchain or anything tbh... we just need clam services!)

Anyone wanna start one with me?
got a few servers we could test out with

[BayAreaCoins]

Would it be smart to make an online-wallet service for CLAM?

Yes! That is a staking pool too please.

So people earn CLAMS by storing clams safely on the online wallet (something like Blockchain or anything tbh... we just need clam services!)

Anyone wanna start one with me?
got a few servers we could test out with

I'm worthless as a males tit as far as interweb business like that.

I'm really only good for selling shit and cheer leading

I can def speak privately with you and brain storm ect ect! Love that shit

Maybe someone else is thinking the same as you though and PM's.

[Sarahiko]

Well... you could be a cheer leader for the people whose trying to make the online wallet. 

[Hippie Tech]

Would it be smart to make an online-wallet service for CLAM?

Yes! That is a staking pool too please.

So people earn CLAMS by storing clams safely on the online wallet (something like Blockchain or anything tbh... we just need clam services!)

Anyone wanna start one with me?
got a few servers we could test out with

The third party interventionist/ private bankster wannabe is strong in this one.

[Small]

Would it be smart to make an online-wallet service for CLAM?

Yes! That is a staking pool too please.

So people earn CLAMS by storing clams safely on the online wallet (something like Blockchain or anything tbh... we just need clam services!)

Anyone wanna start one with me?
got a few servers we could test out with

The third party interventionist/ private bankster wannabe is strong in this one.

It'd be a great and fun try

[SuperClam]

One more question:
I put CLAMS wallet software in my dropbox folder.
When I open wallet on 1st PC, I have MY wallet address,
but when I open on 2nd PC I have DIFFERENT wallet address.
How to use one same address on two PC?
Maybe I need copy some another files to dropbox?

As other senior forum users have pointed out, but repeated for emphasis:

Do not simultaneously use and alter a wallet.dat file on different machines or instances of the client.
Bad things can and WILL happen.

So, what made JustDice adopt them - what's special about CLAMS?

I like the initial distribution - CLAMs were effectively all pre-mined by the developers and then all given away, to everyone, equally.

Shouldn't we assume that the developers moved their own BTC/LTC/DOGE into many addresses, sometime before May 12th, and that CLAMS are maybe one of the greatest premines in altcoin history?
It's brilliant because we don't know if the unclaimed CLAMS belong to random people, an exchange's hot wallet, or the devs.

A concern that is reasonable, and has been voiced and responded to previously and repeatedly in this thread.
Mostly towards the beginning of this thread, if someone wishes to review them.
All of which still exist.  We don't censor our thread

It is worth noting that the vast majority of the distribution went to holders of BTC. .
More than 95% if I remember correctly (a simple fact of the scale of the networks), though I am not positive on the numbers.

Obviously, BTC would be the most cost prohibitive network to execute such an "attack" on, due to the value of the coin itself (which was at much higher fiat prices at the time) and the transaction fees themselves.

In addition to dooglus' comments, I would also mention that there are only 500k CLAM currently in circulation.  
Even if you can't trust the motives of us CLAM developers, consider this:

Only 290k of those CLAMS were "dug" (the rest are staked coins).
Even if every single claimed CLAM, i.e. every single claimed BTC, LTC, DOGE output, was evil;
That would still only be something like ~2% of the total distribution.  

In fairness, there is no way of knowing ultimately how many will be claimed and the current total supply is much less than that.
Just making the point that even if you assume the ABSOLUTE worst, think the Devs claimed every CLAM ever claimed, trust absolutely no one, and think we are the most patient scammers in the history of the internet.......... well, even then the argument isn't all that impressive, large, or frightening.


On a side note, I access the internet on a potato laptop with uncertain internet access.
We must be doing it wrong.

Not everyone sells their soul for money; idealism is still alive and strong.

[bobboooiie]

Would it be smart to make an online-wallet service for CLAM?

Yes! That is a staking pool too please.

So people earn CLAMS by storing clams safely on the online wallet (something like Blockchain or anything tbh... we just need clam services!)

As a few people on JD already know, Iam trying to get something like this running and if everything goes right I might release it ovet the next week

[yampi]

Clam really needs a stake pool.
Maybe Clam should switch from bitcoin protocol to NXT protocol.

[rocoro]

CLAM client v1.4.5 TEST-build


Windows 32bit
Windows 64bit
Linux 64bit
OSX

I installed the new win64 version and 5 of my staked clams disappeared. Here is the story: My wallet, ver 1.4.4, started to stake several times in an hour but after 2 confirmations the staked clam would show conflicted. Five of the staked clams held on for 9,12,15,16,18 confirmations. I installed new wallet and those five now show conflicted (22 total now show conflicted). So far new wallet has not staked and shows 10 days to next stake. I have 35 clams in wallet how often should they stake? I was getting one clam per week but the last two weeks nothing, other than the 22 conflicted.

Is something wrong with the staking?  Because I haven't been getting any clams either..  I used to get around 1 per day, and have a somewhat good amount set for staking.  Haven't been getting anything for the last week.. which seems very unusual.  My time is sync'd, and block numbers seem fine too!

Or, is it just because tons more people are staking??

[dooglus]

We don't censor our thread

(much)

In addition to dooglus' comments, I would also mention that there are only 500k CLAM currently in circulation.  
Even if you can't trust the motives of us CLAM developers, consider this:

Only 290k of those CLAMS were "dug" (the rest are staked coins).
Even if every single claimed CLAM, i.e. every single claimed BTC, LTC, DOGE output, was evil;
That would still only be something like ~2% of the total distribution.  

I think the point was that 10M of the 15M undug CLAMs could be in addresses you control. You just didn't dig them up yet because you "knew" CLAM was eventually going to catch on.

Anyway, my poor laptop spent the night compiling historical day-by-day stats of the total and active supply stats so coinmarketcap.com can fill in the history on their CLAM market cap chart. As a result I was able to generate this chart showing block count and active supply over time:



The raw data is here: http://privatepaste.com/18a59b4f72

The post to the coinmarketcap thread is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=199685.msg10379165#msg10379165

[dooglus]

Would it be smart to make an online-wallet service for CLAM?

Just-Dice.com acts as an online CLAM wallet service, so long as you can trust yourself not to gamble.