Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP.

[tvbcof]

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@ $12.6x/BTC.  Oh ya.  Now we're cooking with gas!

Even with my cautions 'expect the worst' nature, I was a bit surprised that we fell so far so fast from the $15 a month ago.  (But due to that nature, I was not shocked nor hurt...it was just an item of interest.)  I lack a solid explanation for either the run-up or the drop off, but it will be really interesting to see if one or both events are replicated going forward.  We seem to be getting into the 'run-away train' up phase over the last day or two,

[cypherdoc]

Everyone here needs to recommend to Lauren Lyster of Capital Account to get Trace Mayer on for an interview.

[silverbox]

So I have this working theory that one week in the bitcoin world is the equivalent to a quarter (of a year) in the rest of the financial world..

Sound?  or bumpucky??

Everything moves faster in the wild westDistributed Cryptocurrency world..

[labestiol]

Well if you see bitcoin as moving closer to lightspeed than us, then their time is dilated and they are travelling into the future

But no, the less flawed explanation is just that bitcoin is a comparatively smaller market, thus bigger volatility. It won't last

[SkRRJyTC]

miscreanity asked me months ago on this thread when i would capitulate and turn bullish on gold.  i told him here that if gold can get over the February high of 1793 then i'll admit i'm wrong.  you all are so close so you'd better buy the hell out of gold just to prove me wrong.

i don't think it gets there.

So close I can taste it. 

Will today be the day the Cypher turns back into a gold bull?

[silverbox]

Well if you see bitcoin as moving closer to lightspeed than us, then their time is dilated and they are travelling into the future

But no, the less flawed explanation is just that bitcoin is a comparatively smaller market, thus bigger volatility. It won't last

Bitcoin moves faster then everything else..  Maybe it is FTL!!

This isn't volatility, this is straight up appreciation..

Remember the guy who bought a pizza for 1 Trillion Satoshi's! 

Volitility implies it goes up and down..  This is basically straight up baby!!

PS.  I'm selling Pizza's for 1/2 a trillion Satoshi's get em while they are hot!!

[cypherdoc]

miscreanity asked me months ago on this thread when i would capitulate and turn bullish on gold.  i told him here that if gold can get over the February high of 1793 then i'll admit i'm wrong.  you all are so close so you'd better buy the hell out of gold just to prove me wrong.

i don't think it gets there.

So close I can taste it. 

Will today be the day the Cypher turns back into a gold bull?

you spoke too soon.

[SkRRJyTC]

miscreanity asked me months ago on this thread when i would capitulate and turn bullish on gold.  i told him here that if gold can get over the February high of 1793 then i'll admit i'm wrong.  you all are so close so you'd better buy the hell out of gold just to prove me wrong.

i don't think it gets there.

So close I can taste it. 

Will today be the day the Cypher turns back into a gold bull?

you spoke too soon.

Im not so sure.  I would take the 1793 vs 1750 bet

[labestiol]

Ah Ah, gamblers spotted. ~1% moves -> noise

[cypherdoc]

miscreanity asked me months ago on this thread when i would capitulate and turn bullish on gold.  i told him here that if gold can get over the February high of 1793 then i'll admit i'm wrong.  you all are so close so you'd better buy the hell out of gold just to prove me wrong.

i don't think it gets there.

So close I can taste it. 

Will today be the day the Cypher turns back into a gold bull?

you spoke too soon.

"so close you could taste it".  how classic.  your tongue just got bit off.

[SkRRJyTC]

miscreanity asked me months ago on this thread when i would capitulate and turn bullish on gold.  i told him here that if gold can get over the February high of 1793 then i'll admit i'm wrong.  you all are so close so you'd better buy the hell out of gold just to prove me wrong.

i don't think it gets there.

So close I can taste it.  

Will today be the day the Cypher turns back into a gold bull?

you spoke too soon.

"so close you could taste it".  how classic.  your tongue just got bit off.

Is it normal for you to get excited about down moves that happen above your short point?

You called for a collapse from 1690.  A move from 1790 down to 17xx doesnt mean anything for you.

[MatthewLM]

The price of gold has just reached $1,000,000 an ounce...



yes that's right, I'm selling an ounce of gold for one million dollars... any takers?

[silverbox]

Not alot of change, but its been awhile.

This thread was started 3/13:

Bitcoin  5.40

Gold 1690


today 9/24:

Bitcoin 12.15 (up ~125%)

Gold 1763   (up ~4%)


BTC seems to be stable at ~12.

PM's seem kinda stuck/stable as well.

BTC is still outperforming gold.


GPL 2.22  (Silver lg  @ 1.98)  up 12%

[cypherdoc]

Lol:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-09-24/get-your-fake-tungsten-filled-gold-coins-here

[Melbustus]

Lol:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-09-24/get-your-fake-tungsten-filled-gold-coins-here

...load up on tungsten bars/coins to use to surrender to the feds when they do a 30's-style gold recall....nice.

[cypherdoc]

i'm beginning to think this tungsten filled gold fiasco is a game changer.

think about it; dealers have found a way to subvert the physical tangibility factor that all the gold bugs here have tried to pound home as its main virtue.  i'm not just saying this b/c i'm bearish on gold from a fundamental and technical standpoint.  this was totally unexpected by me but is a development that seriously brings into question the viability of a physical monetary currency.

instead of a USD for gold tx being extinguished immediately upon exchange, now scamming dealers have found a way to create financial counterparty risk.

it appears that the only viable way to verify that a bar or coin's integrity is to use ultrasound.  i actually have an ultrasound in my business and am investigating a way to tune its velocity to that of gold so that i can examine my own few remaining coins as well as experiment for fun.  now clearly, i am in the minority of bullion holders who have this capability.  this is a problem for the remaining public that does not have access to this technology.  it means that whenever you go to the coin shop to buy a coin or bar, that dealer has a potential asymmetric informational advantage over you.  you have no idea whether he is legit or a scammer.  this will put you at tremendous financial risk unless you somehow get access to an ultrasound which most won't have.  thus, your exchange will have to take place purely on faith.  clearly, in my mind, this will put a chill into the minds of current and potential future gold investors and to my mind has the potential to be a game changer and kill the gold bull market.

btw, this is what happens at bubble highs.  i en-liken it to subprime loans.  the market gets so frothy, fraud starts to enter in ultimately destroying the market.

i will actually try to put up pictures of my gold and silver coins if i get this to work and will compare them to things like Casascius coins, etc.

[Severian]

thus, your exchange will have to take place purely on faith.  clearly, in my mind, this will put a chill into the minds of current and potential future gold investors and to my mind has the potential to be a game changer and kill the gold bull market.

This also has potential to drive the silver market up. Junk silver especially.

[cypherdoc]

thus, your exchange will have to take place purely on faith.  clearly, in my mind, this will put a chill into the minds of current and potential future gold investors and to my mind has the potential to be a game changer and kill the gold bull market.

This also has potential to drive the silver market up. Junk silver especially.

this is very true altho it may be hard for silver to rally if gold doesn't.

[SkRRJyTC]

If this isnt a new problem, why is it now a game changer?

2000
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=xFQ1AAAAIBAJ&sjid=bSUMAAAAIBAJ&pg=3170,2691496&dq=fake+gold+bars&hl=en

1994
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=mjhOAAAAIBAJ&sjid=UxMEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2711,2001207&dq=fake+gold+bars&hl=en

1983
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=-j9PAAAAIBAJ&sjid=tAIEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2433,8840389&dq=fake+gold+bars&hl=en

[notme]

If this isnt a new problem, why is it now a game changer?

2000
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=xFQ1AAAAIBAJ&sjid=bSUMAAAAIBAJ&pg=3170,2691496&dq=fake+gold+bars&hl=en

1994
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=mjhOAAAAIBAJ&sjid=UxMEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2711,2001207&dq=fake+gold+bars&hl=en

1983
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=-j9PAAAAIBAJ&sjid=tAIEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2433,8840389&dq=fake+gold+bars&hl=en

Because we're at the top of a bubble.