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August 06, 2012, 02:45:59 PM
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You probably agree with the USA founding fathers, too.  This quote "all men are created equal" is often misused.  Put in its historical context it was meant to mean that there are no God-appointed "lords" or "serfs".  Think of it like "every baby is equal" or perhaps "All men are created with equal opportunity".


Your interpretation of the phrase is, I believe, correct and I agree fully with the founders in this.  The phrase is, I believe, often distorted and used to justify absurdities by 'my people';  That is, the libs.


i grew up in relatively humble beginnings and you might call me a "self-made man".  i put myself all the way thru college and grad school.  i also spent 2 summers as a kid at a disabled childrens camp as the son of the camp nurse.  i have great sympathy for the "underdog" to a fault.  this might explain my temporary lack of judgment for having voted for Obama b/c he was black hoping that he might actually do what he said.  this is why i truly do want to help Bitcoiners avoid the clutch of the Wall St punks. 

Heh.  We're back to significant agreement and mirrored behaviour vis-a-vis Obama.  At this point I would have more hope that Romney would pull an FDR on 'his people' than that Obama would actually do anything of significance for anyone besides his funders.

And I have the same hopes for Bitcoin and Bitcoiners (and others for that matter.)  At the very least, I hope Bitcoin provides utility and leverage in this struggle.

what i was agreeing to with tvbcof was that i do think certain men are born with more talents, intelligence, or drive than other men.  but i do believe that all mean should start off in life with equal opportunities to the extent that is possible but at some point market forces need to be allowed to work.

Least I am misunderstood here, let me clarify that I have a huge amount of respect for the 'free market' and consider it the powerplant behind modern society.  I only want to communicate my belief that left completely to it's own it has every bit as much of a chance of tearing itself and everything around it apart as it does auto-seek the ultimate solution to every problem.

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August 06, 2012, 02:57:44 PM
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August 06, 2012, 03:22:25 PM
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Talking 'bout a no-brainer:



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August 08, 2012, 02:17:54 PM
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I'm happy to say I got it wrong, gold didn't pull back some like I thought it would after the Fed didn't do anything more at last weeks meeting..

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August 08, 2012, 04:31:53 PM
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I'm happy to say I got it wrong, gold didn't pull back some like I thought it would after the Fed didn't do anything more at last weeks meeting..

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Bitcoin is still outperforming gold. Cheesy
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August 08, 2012, 05:56:58 PM
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so, will gold and silver have a decent spike down any time soon ?

I am waiting to redistribute some from btc into PM-s,
they are good aphrodisiac, and for general bragging Smiley

while bitcoin is not there yet, it still has quite the opposite impact
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August 08, 2012, 07:21:54 PM
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so, will gold and silver have a decent spike down any time soon ?



It seems highly unlikely.
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August 08, 2012, 07:38:14 PM
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The most reliable way for distribution of wealth to occur is for the masses to take rather than relying on the few to give.

oh boy, now we have a problem.  totally disagree.  you're probably referring to taxing the rich to give to the poor.  this must be the Socialist in you. 

i vastly prefer a system where the rules are uniform for all.  a system which strips the wealthy of their means of control such as the printing press.  if we did just that one thing the world would be a much better place.  forget Socialism.


Thank you, although stopping people from having socialism is against my ethics as well (if people wish to live foolishly I want to let them). Sadly though, there isn't a place in the world I have found that isn't socialistic so there is no place to go to get rid of it Sad

I have never understood the term socialism btw, since to me and my ethics socialism is anti-social. In my personal ethics socialism equals theft.

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August 08, 2012, 07:44:51 PM
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so, will gold and silver have a decent spike down any time soon ?

I am waiting to redistribute some from btc into PM-s,
they are good aphrodisiac, and for general bragging Smiley

while bitcoin is not there yet, it still has quite the opposite impact

I think in the next 12 months we will see once again silver to bitcoin parity in USD price. We did see that in June 2011.

 Cheesy

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August 08, 2012, 09:16:43 PM
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so, will gold and silver have a decent spike down any time soon ?
It seems highly unlikely.

The bull doesn't want anyone along for the ride, so there probably won't be any obvious dips as entry points. It's probably best to scale in and out by selling some BTC at spikes, then buying PMs.
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August 08, 2012, 09:42:39 PM
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so, will gold and silver have a decent spike down any time soon ?



It seems highly unlikely.

If equity markets crash so will gold and silver.

If we have short term deflation equities will crash and PMs as well.

How much of a crash? I see it reaching $21 for silver...previous resistance turned support.

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August 08, 2012, 10:11:21 PM
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so, will gold and silver have a decent spike down any time soon ?
It seems highly unlikely.

The bull doesn't want anyone along for the ride, so there probably won't be any obvious dips as entry points. It's probably best to scale in and out by selling some BTC at spikes, then buying PMs.

I am waiting for silver parity,
somewhere around 20 usd Smiley

that would be a bomb , to catch these two at that level and make a partial transition
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August 08, 2012, 10:51:51 PM
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If equity markets crash so will gold and silver.

If we have short term deflation equities will crash and PMs as well.

How much of a crash? I see it reaching $21 for silver...previous resistance turned support.

Paper variants, perhaps. With physical metal, and other physical assets in general, capital flows will rush to them (smart money already has) in an escape from financial instruments. In this situation, paper gold and silver could fall below $500 and $10, respectively. So don't hold ETFs or shares unless there's actual metal or production backing them up and there are multiple records of your ownership aside from just the broker. Otherwise, you risk becoming another MF Global victim.

Meanwhile, if bonds experience an outflow, the primary recipients will be commodities and equities. Currencies will benefit, but will not be the primary targets because of inherent instabilities shared with bonds. Everyone is expecting stock market crashes when there are signs of accumulation, and the opposite in bonds. I expect a bond market crash instead.

Bitcoin - weekly Gox volume below 350k would be suggestive of a $10.80-11 floor next week, and <320k points to $12 or better.
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August 08, 2012, 11:03:03 PM
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If equity markets crash so will gold and silver.

If we have short term deflation equities will crash and PMs as well.

How much of a crash? I see it reaching $21 for silver...previous resistance turned support.

Paper variants, perhaps. With physical metal, and other physical assets in general, capital flows will rush to them (smart money already has) in an escape from financial instruments. In this situation, paper gold and silver could fall below $500 and $10, respectively. So don't hold ETFs or shares unless there's actual metal or production backing them up and there are multiple records of your ownership aside from just the broker. Otherwise, you risk becoming another MF Global victim.

Meanwhile, if bonds experience an outflow, the primary recipients will be commodities and equities. Currencies will benefit, but will not be the primary targets because of inherent instabilities shared with bonds. Everyone is expecting stock market crashes when there are signs of accumulation, and the opposite in bonds. I expect a bond market crash instead.

Bitcoin - weekly Gox volume below 350k would be suggestive of a $10.80-11 floor next week, and <320k points to $12 or better.

I agree...but I'm speaking in terms of what you can buy physical metal for. I see people getting spooked out of their PM position and selling to get cash. Of course the smart money will hold.

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August 09, 2012, 01:05:00 PM
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No formal announcement of QE3 but backdoor method that the Fed has started to monetize the debt  Shocked Gold has not catched up to this stealth QE3...

Bitcoinica still has not given me 50% of my claim of 600 BTC
INTERSANGO can go down with bitcoinica for abandoning customers
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August 09, 2012, 03:13:04 PM
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The Daaash for Digital Caaash!  Cheesy
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August 09, 2012, 03:48:17 PM
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I agree...but I'm speaking in terms of what you can buy physical metal for. I see people getting spooked out of their PM position and selling to get cash. Of course the smart money will hold.

A mechanism which could separate me from some of my physical under a severe downturn situation could be that I'm bargain hunting for other assets or services.  While I've diversified some ('all in' from 2002->2010-ish) I am still probably a bit heavy in PM's but that's because very little has come along which shares some of the more important counter-party risk aspects of physical PM's.  Bitcoin is one of the few.


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No formal announcement of QE3 but backdoor method that the Fed has started to monetize the debt  Shocked Gold has not catched up to this stealth QE3...

can you post an article... thx!
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August 09, 2012, 06:07:15 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJbONHiKh-w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPtIgeP1GsI&feature=watch_response
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Bitcoinica still has not given me 50% of my claim of 600 BTC
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August 09, 2012, 06:08:30 PM
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There are some signs that central banksters (and therefore their minion banksters too) may now stop to short gold:

Whether it's up or down, central banks are manipulating markets in secret
http://gata.org/node/11645

GET READY FOR THE GOLD REBOUND BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE: MARSHALL AUERBACK
http://www.theaureport.com/pub/na/14066

If this happens, a price shoot out of the solar system may be in the cards


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