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yes i have send email to contact@betcoin.ag but i still got no response at all i dont do anything wrong / create fake account / etc i have all of my documents for verification but it was never asked You did not send email to contact at betcoin dot ag. We have nothing from you. Replying to a support ticket by email is not emailing us. That goes to a different team.
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January 31, 2024, 03:32:49 PM |
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yes i have send email to contact@betcoin.ag but i still got no response at all i dont do anything wrong / create fake account / etc i have all of my documents for verification but it was never asked You did not send email to contact at betcoin dot ag. We have nothing from you. Replying to a support ticket by email is not emailing us. That goes to a different team. i have send it again, now its the third email i send to that address thank you for helping me
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January 31, 2024, 03:34:44 PM |
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i have send it again, now its the third email i send to that address thank you for helping me
Send us a PM here with a screenshot of the email you sent
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February 01, 2024, 01:37:59 AM |
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i just got my deposit returned winning got canceled because they tell me that i am abusing their terms and service about betting on value
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February 01, 2024, 03:28:21 AM |
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i just got my deposit returned winning got canceled because they tell me that i am abusing their terms and service about betting on value
As you were told, and as is clearly defined in the TOS, using 3rd party services to place bets is not permitted. This is the case with every sportsbook. Best of luck to you in your future endeavors.
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February 01, 2024, 04:18:46 AM |
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i just got my deposit returned winning got canceled because they tell me that i am abusing their terms and service about betting on value
As you were told, and as is clearly defined in the TOS, using 3rd party services to place bets is not permitted. This is the case with every sportsbook. Best of luck to you in your future endeavors. Hi Betcoin.AG. Just out of curiosity. What exactly are "3rd party services to place bets" exactly and where in the rules does that stand? Scrolled through it and also searched for it but couldn't find anything in the rules using these words. I'm not taking any side here but since I have a betcoin account myself I just would like to know what exactly is a no go.
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February 01, 2024, 01:27:32 PM |
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i just got my deposit returned winning got canceled because they tell me that i am abusing their terms and service about betting on value
As you were told, and as is clearly defined in the TOS, using 3rd party services to place bets is not permitted. This is the case with every sportsbook. Best of luck to you in your future endeavors. Hi Betcoin.AG. Just out of curiosity. What exactly are "3rd party services to place bets" exactly and where in the rules does that stand? Scrolled through it and also searched for it but couldn't find anything in the rules using these words. I'm not taking any side here but since I have a betcoin account myself I just would like to know what exactly is a no go. as long as you not win, you are on the safe line
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February 01, 2024, 01:50:20 PM |
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as long as you not win, you are on the safe line
This is inaccurate, as we discussed. We have countless winners every day of well over $300 and our reputation speaks for itself. You think we would have an A+ rating if we suspended every account who won $300? You cheated at the wrong site. It is possible to be both an A+ book and also the best at catching cheaters. Had you done your research properly, you would see that we do not cave into forum pressure or extortion. Once again, do not try and come back. We will know its you and you will lose your deposit, regardless of how much you post on BitcoinTalk. Hi Betcoin.AG. Just out of curiosity. What exactly are "3rd party services to place bets" exactly and where in the rules does that stand? Scrolled through it and also searched for it but couldn't find anything in the rules using these words. I'm not taking any side here but since I have a betcoin account myself I just would like to know what exactly is a no go.
3rd party services refer to websites that scan every betting site and tell you what to bet on to guarantee yourself winnings in the long run. These are banned at nearly every site, however our specific terms, which were broken are: https://support.betcoin.ag/hc/en-us/articles/15904960262811-Terms-of-Service10. ANTI-FRAUD POLICY 10.2 If the player is determined to be guilty of fraudulent actions, the Company reserves the right to terminate the user account and suspend all payouts to the player. "use of forking services, use of surebet or valuebet services"
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February 01, 2024, 02:27:42 PM |
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Betcoin is an absolute scam. These geeks in a regulated market would be prosecuted no problem and their license revoked. but now they are only operating illegally. total rubbish
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Betcoin is an absolute scam. These geeks in a regulated market would be prosecuted no problem and their license revoked. but now they are only operating illegally. total rubbish
My post in other sources shows the license of each book https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5381143.0
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2.2 You are solely responsible for determining whether your accessing and/or use of the website is compliant with applicable laws in your jurisdiction and you warrant to us that gambling is not illegal in the territory where you reside.Any claim against the Company brought by you for any reason whatsoever in regard to the above mentioned will be considered void and shall not be accepted. Totally stupid and illegal rules the responsibility is entirely on the site=not the user what kind of trash are you to determine if the claim is invalid she checked that countless sites have been convicted and have paid large fines with the license from Curacao you can only wipe your ass. nothing else
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February 02, 2024, 02:21:39 AM |
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as long as you not win, you are on the safe line
This is inaccurate, as we discussed. We have countless winners every day of well over $300 and our reputation speaks for itself. You think we would have an A+ rating if we suspended every account who won $300? You cheated at the wrong site. It is possible to be both an A+ book and also the best at catching cheaters. Had you done your research properly, you would see that we do not cave into forum pressure or extortion. Once again, do not try and come back. We will know its you and you will lose your deposit, regardless of how much you post on BitcoinTalk. Hi Betcoin.AG. Just out of curiosity. What exactly are "3rd party services to place bets" exactly and where in the rules does that stand? Scrolled through it and also searched for it but couldn't find anything in the rules using these words. I'm not taking any side here but since I have a betcoin account myself I just would like to know what exactly is a no go.
3rd party services refer to websites that scan every betting site and tell you what to bet on to guarantee yourself winnings in the long run. These are banned at nearly every site, however our specific terms, which were broken are: https://support.betcoin.ag/hc/en-us/articles/15904960262811-Terms-of-Service10. ANTI-FRAUD POLICY 10.2 If the player is determined to be guilty of fraudulent actions, the Company reserves the right to terminate the user account and suspend all payouts to the player. "use of forking services, use of surebet or valuebet services" everyone can read and judge by theirselves FYI for readers.. i deposit using my own registered crypto wallet under my name i am not hacking the payment gateway i use my own legit personal data i never farm account on betcoin i dont use any kind of fake document for KYC this is my first account on this site i dont use arbitage / scrape or scan betcoin site in any kind of possible way i dont exploit any bug on the site i just bet on value, and win for betcoin: i dont cheated the wrong site, you just cant resist any kind of sharp actions you can easily accused all winning players with that "10.2 terms of service" just suspend all of your winning players, take their money, go on vacation
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February 02, 2024, 03:07:58 AM Last edit: February 02, 2024, 08:22:40 AM by Peeps Place |
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2.2 You are solely responsible for determining whether your accessing and/or use of the website is compliant with applicable laws in your jurisdiction and you warrant to us that gambling is not illegal in the territory where you reside.Any claim against the Company brought by you for any reason whatsoever in regard to the above mentioned will be considered void and shall not be accepted. Totally stupid and illegal rules the responsibility is entirely on the site=not the user what kind of trash are you to determine if the claim is invalid she checked that countless sites have been convicted and have paid large fines with the license from Curacao you can only wipe your ass. nothing else
I'm glad that you posted this. When I first started posting the reviews I said that I'm going to post what really happens. The clauses in the ToS of each book are fairly similar but each uses it differently. I'll post how the books use these clauses. A lot of people in this thread bring great information and it's appreciated. ralle posts a lot of new books that I don't see. Outside this thread, there is a lot of misinformation being spread and people keep repeating this information. A lot of rating sites outside BCT post bad information. Some have 1xbet rated high. Some have books that just opened in 2023 rated high. Many post wrong information on KYC. Most rating sites don't know that Betcoin uses two sets of lines and that they have a racebook. I haven't seen any rating site post that Betcoin has poker. It seems they just copy what another rating site has said. I did not talk to Betcoin before making this post so these are solely my ideas and thoughts. Live chat and support with books have to say exactly what is in the ToS. I'll try to show how it really works from playing with the books along with consistent research that is done.. With Betcoin, if you are in Curacao don't play with them. If you are anywhere else using a VPN you aren't going to lose any of your money for playing from a banned country. The worst that will happen is that Betcoin will say you can't play in your country and they will return your money. You will lose money for trying to multi-account or using a bot. Don't try to cheat Betcoin. They have never lost a case in arbitration and they rarely do KYC. All players are profiled as far as betting patterns. There are a ton of things that give away a person using multiple accounts. Some players get red flagged and the information may get passed from book to book. You'll be marked as a someone that uses multiple accounts. It's the same for people that get limited. If books use the same provider then you will be limited day one at the next book that you try with that provider. Limits are different at the two Betcoin Books. In the past I've been adamant that a book can never steal deposits. A lot of books are doing this on first offense. Betcoin doesn't do that on first offense but they may for multiple offenses. I may change my stance somewhat on this. If a person is going to drag a book through the mud on the forums and waste their time and money on arbitration, maybe the player should lose both winnings and deposits if he loses arbitration. I'm not positive on how I'll handle this in the future as far as ratings. Future reviews with include honest takes such as this on how each book works.
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Hi Betcoin.AG. Just out of curiosity. What exactly are "3rd party services to place bets" exactly and where in the rules does that stand? Scrolled through it and also searched for it but couldn't find anything in the rules using these words. I'm not taking any side here but since I have a betcoin account myself I just would like to know what exactly is a no go.
3rd party services refer to websites that scan every betting site and tell you what to bet on to guarantee yourself winnings in the long run. These are banned at nearly every site, however our specific terms, which were broken are: https://support.betcoin.ag/hc/en-us/articles/15904960262811-Terms-of-Service10. ANTI-FRAUD POLICY 10.2 If the player is determined to be guilty of fraudulent actions, the Company reserves the right to terminate the user account and suspend all payouts to the player. "use of forking services, use of surebet or valuebet services" Thanks for the explanation. I am surprised that "surebets" or valuebets are considered illegal on your site. Actually these bets are just as legal as any other bet. Also, how can you actually prove that a player used a site the find a bet? I have just checked some sites that show surebets and the name betcoin was not shown once, only the big sites (especially fiat betting sites). If you are afraid of people making value bets, maybe your odds provider should adjust odds on the market faster. Blaming the customer for betting on good odds is not the way to go in my opinion. That leaves too much space for speculation since you could blame everybody for making a bet, but proof you can't show since you don't know if the player actually used a site to check for surebets or not. I for example study the market and odds a lot, but I don't use any services. You can't blame a person for knowing what he/she is doing.
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February 02, 2024, 12:16:47 PM |
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Certainly from a legal point of view the values and arbitrage bets are perfectly legal. Betcoin's rules are illegal.
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I am surprised that "surebets" or valuebets are considered illegal on your site. Actually these bets are just as legal as any other bet. Also, how can you actually prove that a player used a site the find a bet? I have just checked some sites that show surebets and the name betcoin was not shown once, only the big sites (especially fiat betting sites). If you are afraid of people making value bets, maybe your odds provider should adjust odds on the market faster. Blaming the customer for betting on good odds is not the way to go in my opinion. That leaves too much space for speculation since you could blame everybody for making a bet, but proof you can't show since you don't know if the player actually used a site to check for surebets or not.
I for example study the market and odds a lot, but I don't use any services. You can't blame a person for knowing what he/she is doing.
It specifies services. These are banned at every site and it is incredibly easy for us to tell when they are being used. You don't see Betcoin on the service, because you are an innocent player and don't know what to look for.
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