Scientific proof that God exists?

[BADecker]

God is incomprehensible, even there were materialistic signs,they would not define the whole picture,dont you think

That is absolutely correct. It is also correct for a human, at least from the viewpoint of another human.

In a simple way we feel the wind. We know that it is moving air. But without chemical analysis, we don't know that the air is made up of carbon, nitrogen and oxygen. So, we can't know what God is, except if He reveals Himself to us.

In nature, God has revealed Himself scientifically through cause and effect, entropy, and complexity, combined. In a simple way he has revealed Himself by the fact that nature exists. We have no other answer for how nature can exist except through a God-like Being.

God has been gracious enough to us that He has given us the Bible to reveal a great amount of information about Himself and why He made the universe to us. The simple answer is for His glory. The more complex answer is that we glorify Him even more when we see the complexity and love He shows us, through the body that He has given us, and the support of our life that He handles all day long. A far greater answer is that we glorify Him a lot more when we see the great salvation - Jesus salvation - He is providing for us even after we rejected Him and corrupted His universe.

If we don't praise and glorify Him, He doesn't really have any use for us. Since we reject Him and His purpose for making us if we don't glorify Him, He will ultimately reject us... even though He waits patiently a long time for us to change.

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[BADecker]

God is incomprehensible, even there were materialistic signs,they would not define the whole picture,dont you think

Absolutely true. But we can still understand that God exists. There are many things right in the universe that we know exist, but don't understand. How much less will we ever understand God, Who was able to make all these universe things?

you are approaching this with the assumption that a god even exists. If you were intellectually honest and revisited everything without that bias, you would see that a god is 100% unnecessary

A scientist doesn't simply approach something from a single point of view. He asks his questions with the expectation that the answer could be anything.

If a dog has babies, they are dogs. If a duck has babies, they are ducks. If people have babies, they are people. Like begets like.

Where does intelligence and emotion come from? What is the start of everything. What caused it all to happen. Whatever the cause was, it had all these things within itself. Like begets like. We see nothing else in the universe.

Big bang as a theory doesn't have any explanation for how intelligence and emotion could emerge. All it says is that it did. If big bang happens to be real, even though we don't really have any proof that it is, then big bang is God. Why? Because the definition of God fits everything that big bang suggests, and a whole lot more.

Do you have any other answer to where things came from that is better than God?

[BADecker]

phreeksta showed us at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg22166759#msg22166759 that outer space exists. What wasn't shown was what outer space is. What is outer space?

Outer space is nothingness. It is emptiness. It is nothing.

Inside of nothing exists a whole bunch of materials and energies. We analyze these materials and energies, and how they react with each other. But we haven't found a way to analyze the "substance" that is nothing.

The only real thing we know about nothing is that it exists. Again, how do we know this? Because we can analyze the various materials and energies within nothing.

Same thing with God. We can analyze the fundamental science laws of cause and effect, entropy, and complexity. The only way these things can exist combined is that a Great, Intelligent, Power caused them to exist.

We have no other explanation for the combined existence of these 3 basic, fundamental, scientific laws. The word "God" fits the Great, Intelligent, Power that cause the universe to exist.

We can't see God, just like we can't see emptiness/nothing. But we understand that God exists in ways similar to understanding that nothing exists.

So you see, outer space - which is emptiness/nothing/lack of every "thing" - is the non-thing that helps to confirm that God exists.

I don't think you understand what nothing is. Empty space is not nothing, it's empty space. Space is something. If you have a box and you throw out everything inside of it, even air and particles and atoms, there is still something inside the box, space.

''The only way these things can exist combined is that a Great, Intelligent, Power caused them to exist.'' How do you know the only way for those things to exist is that a great intelligent power caused them to exist? ''We have no other explanation for the combined existence of these 3 basic'' You have no explanation either, you are just saying it's god

Dig around in your evacuated box, and what do you find? Nothing? No, you find your digger. Remove your digger, and there is nothing in the box. It's empty space.

We have intelligence. Entropy shows that there was greater intelligence in the past. Cause and effect show that the intelligence was great enough to be way beyond the understanding of man's intelligence. How much closer do you want to go to demonstrate God?

Do you need to look at the fantastic machines of nature that we are only beginning to duplicate, and imperfectly I might add? How about looking at the language of mathematics that man develops to imperfectly explain the complexity of the universe to himself?

Find a place where this all comes from randomness. We haven't found pure random. It doesn't exist, except, perhaps, in God.

"God" is a word. But the identity of the Being behind the word is way beyond the word "God." So, yes, I am just saying it is God, because there is no way to explain how intelligent and powerful He is. He is beyond understanding, and the word "God" is simply man's imperfect word to describe Him a little.

No, stop talking about entropy, you don't understand what it is or how it works at least regarding the earth. It is important to note that the earth is not an isolated system: it receives energy from the sun, and radiates energy back into space. The second law doesn't claim that the entropy of any part of a system increases: if it did, ice would never form and vapor would never condense, since both of those processes involve a decrease of entropy. Rather, the second law says that the total entropy of the whole system must increase. Any decrease of entropy (like the water freezing into ice cubes in your freezer) must be compensated by an increase in entropy elsewhere (the heat released into your kitchen by the refrigerator).
Entropy doesn't show that there was greater intelligence in the past, are you really saying humans were more intelligent in the past? You surely aren't, right?

Hey, thanks for giving me orders to stop talking about entropy. LOL!

The universe is a system.

Entropy absolutely DOES show that there was greater intelligence in the past. Only in these times of science have we attempted to reject the idea of God. Yet we can go through nature and view the cause and effect, and the complexity... all of which shout "God." This shows that our intelligence is decreasing, and science is becoming a god in God's place... but only in our atrophied minds.

Entropy is one of your best friends! LOL.

[BADecker]

phreeksta showed us at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg22166759#msg22166759 that outer space exists. What wasn't shown was what outer space is. What is outer space?

Outer space is nothingness. It is emptiness. It is nothing.

Inside of nothing exists a whole bunch of materials and energies. We analyze these materials and energies, and how they react with each other. But we haven't found a way to analyze the "substance" that is nothing.

The only real thing we know about nothing is that it exists. Again, how do we know this? Because we can analyze the various materials and energies within nothing.

Same thing with God. We can analyze the fundamental science laws of cause and effect, entropy, and complexity. The only way these things can exist combined is that a Great, Intelligent, Power caused them to exist.

We have no other explanation for the combined existence of these 3 basic, fundamental, scientific laws. The word "God" fits the Great, Intelligent, Power that cause the universe to exist.

We can't see God, just like we can't see emptiness/nothing. But we understand that God exists in ways similar to understanding that nothing exists.

So you see, outer space - which is emptiness/nothing/lack of every "thing" - is the non-thing that helps to confirm that God exists.

I don't think you understand what nothing is. Empty space is not nothing, it's empty space. Space is something. If you have a box and you throw out everything inside of it, even air and particles and atoms, there is still something inside the box, space.

''The only way these things can exist combined is that a Great, Intelligent, Power caused them to exist.'' How do you know the only way for those things to exist is that a great intelligent power caused them to exist? ''We have no other explanation for the combined existence of these 3 basic'' You have no explanation either, you are just saying it's god

Dig around in your evacuated box, and what do you find? Nothing? No, you find your digger. Remove your digger, and there is nothing in the box. It's empty space.

We have intelligence. Entropy shows that there was greater intelligence in the past. Cause and effect show that the intelligence was great enough to be way beyond the understanding of man's intelligence. How much closer do you want to go to demonstrate God?

Do you need to look at the fantastic machines of nature that we are only beginning to duplicate, and imperfectly I might add? How about looking at the language of mathematics that man develops to imperfectly explain the complexity of the universe to himself?

Find a place where this all comes from randomness. We haven't found pure random. It doesn't exist, except, perhaps, in God.

"God" is a word. But the identity of the Being behind the word is way beyond the word "God." So, yes, I am just saying it is God, because there is no way to explain how intelligent and powerful He is. He is beyond understanding, and the word "God" is simply man's imperfect word to describe Him a little.

No, stop talking about entropy, you don't understand what it is or how it works at least regarding the earth. It is important to note that the earth is not an isolated system: it receives energy from the sun, and radiates energy back into space. The second law doesn't claim that the entropy of any part of a system increases: if it did, ice would never form and vapor would never condense, since both of those processes involve a decrease of entropy. Rather, the second law says that the total entropy of the whole system must increase. Any decrease of entropy (like the water freezing into ice cubes in your freezer) must be compensated by an increase in entropy elsewhere (the heat released into your kitchen by the refrigerator).
Entropy doesn't show that there was greater intelligence in the past, are you really saying humans were more intelligent in the past? You surely aren't, right?

That is exactly what he is saying.  That is part of his 'God delusion'.

At least Astargath attempts to show how God science is wrong from a scientific standpoint. You barely understand anything.

[BADecker]

God is incomprehensible, even there were materialistic signs,they would not define the whole picture,dont you think

Absolutely true. But we can still understand that God exists. There are many things right in the universe that we know exist, but don't understand. How much less will we ever understand God, Who was able to make all these universe things?

you are approaching this with the assumption that a god even exists. If you were intellectually honest and revisited everything without that bias, you would see that a god is 100% unnecessary

God is concept of inconceivability. If we can conceive it, then it is not God as assumption. Religion is just pretending that almighty god is an assumption, while secular god is presuming own exemption. Science has no problem because needs not to prove that God exists. This because the definition of the word "God" is: "God is anything that is missing!". We will always miss the answer who and what stays before start of universe expansion. Thus the God will always exist as a missing answer!
If we answer it, well, then the god will not exist anymore!

God will be the missing answer from a scientific standpoint, at least until science becomes countless times more capable than it is today. That's why revelation from God is necessary.

We can't understand God. But He understands us completely, because He made us. So, He is able to reveal Himself to us. He has done this in the Bible.

[BADecker]

I dont thnk that god exists. There is no proof!

Scientific proof for the existence of God:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

[BADecker]

God is incomprehensible, even there were materialistic signs,they would not define the whole picture,dont you think

Absolutely true. But we can still understand that God exists. There are many things right in the universe that we know exist, but don't understand. How much less will we ever understand God, Who was able to make all these universe things?

you are approaching this with the assumption that a god even exists. If you were intellectually honest and revisited everything without that bias, you would see that a god is 100% unnecessary

God is concept of inconceivability. If we can conceive it, then it is not God as assumption. Religion is just pretending that almighty god is an assumption, while secular god is presuming own exemption. Science has no problem because needs not to prove that God exists. This because the definition of the word "God" is: "God is anything that is missing!". We will always miss the answer who and what stays before start of universe expansion. Thus the God will always exist as a missing answer!
If we answer it, well, then the god will not exist anymore!

Hey.... All of your sentences are logically wrong. Are you proud of yourself?

concept of inconceivability? oxymoron? If you conceive something its not an assumption? Oxymoron again. All religions are false in definition, they try to close the God in the box. That kind of behaviour can never end good. You always need a bigger box. Religions are the only reason that people laugh from faith, they do not laugh from God but from the silly box of the pharisee.

Secular god? Oxymoron again. You seem to like them.

You know what is missing here? Your arguments lol.

Well we are also missing your scientific arguments for the proof of god and badecker seems to be silent again after my response to his bullshit, no surprise there.

Since God reveals Himself to all of us through science and simple observation of the universe and nature, but you constantly would rather resist God than accept the proof, there comes a time when it is beneficial to let you go on in your way, and die in your self-induced ignorance.

[BADecker]

There is no evidence and no counterevidence, so it is up to everybody what to believe

There is scientific proof and natural proof:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

[Vod]

We can't understand God. But He understands us completely, because He made us. So, He is able to reveal Himself to us. He has done this in the Bible.

"We" meaning Flattards, right?

I understand exactly what a god is.  It's an idea. 

[mistletoe]

Exorcism. Prayers works to cast off evil spirits from someone. If prayers work, then God must be true. Unless you dont believe that people can be possessed with evil entities.

[Vod]

Unless you dont believe that people can be possessed with evil entities.

Entity is just another word for ghost.  Ghosts don't exist. 

[Astargath]

phreeksta showed us at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg22166759#msg22166759 that outer space exists. What wasn't shown was what outer space is. What is outer space?

Outer space is nothingness. It is emptiness. It is nothing.

Inside of nothing exists a whole bunch of materials and energies. We analyze these materials and energies, and how they react with each other. But we haven't found a way to analyze the "substance" that is nothing.

The only real thing we know about nothing is that it exists. Again, how do we know this? Because we can analyze the various materials and energies within nothing.

Same thing with God. We can analyze the fundamental science laws of cause and effect, entropy, and complexity. The only way these things can exist combined is that a Great, Intelligent, Power caused them to exist.

We have no other explanation for the combined existence of these 3 basic, fundamental, scientific laws. The word "God" fits the Great, Intelligent, Power that cause the universe to exist.

We can't see God, just like we can't see emptiness/nothing. But we understand that God exists in ways similar to understanding that nothing exists.

So you see, outer space - which is emptiness/nothing/lack of every "thing" - is the non-thing that helps to confirm that God exists.

I don't think you understand what nothing is. Empty space is not nothing, it's empty space. Space is something. If you have a box and you throw out everything inside of it, even air and particles and atoms, there is still something inside the box, space.

''The only way these things can exist combined is that a Great, Intelligent, Power caused them to exist.'' How do you know the only way for those things to exist is that a great intelligent power caused them to exist? ''We have no other explanation for the combined existence of these 3 basic'' You have no explanation either, you are just saying it's god

Dig around in your evacuated box, and what do you find? Nothing? No, you find your digger. Remove your digger, and there is nothing in the box. It's empty space.

We have intelligence. Entropy shows that there was greater intelligence in the past. Cause and effect show that the intelligence was great enough to be way beyond the understanding of man's intelligence. How much closer do you want to go to demonstrate God?

Do you need to look at the fantastic machines of nature that we are only beginning to duplicate, and imperfectly I might add? How about looking at the language of mathematics that man develops to imperfectly explain the complexity of the universe to himself?

Find a place where this all comes from randomness. We haven't found pure random. It doesn't exist, except, perhaps, in God.

"God" is a word. But the identity of the Being behind the word is way beyond the word "God." So, yes, I am just saying it is God, because there is no way to explain how intelligent and powerful He is. He is beyond understanding, and the word "God" is simply man's imperfect word to describe Him a little.

No, stop talking about entropy, you don't understand what it is or how it works at least regarding the earth. It is important to note that the earth is not an isolated system: it receives energy from the sun, and radiates energy back into space. The second law doesn't claim that the entropy of any part of a system increases: if it did, ice would never form and vapor would never condense, since both of those processes involve a decrease of entropy. Rather, the second law says that the total entropy of the whole system must increase. Any decrease of entropy (like the water freezing into ice cubes in your freezer) must be compensated by an increase in entropy elsewhere (the heat released into your kitchen by the refrigerator).
Entropy doesn't show that there was greater intelligence in the past, are you really saying humans were more intelligent in the past? You surely aren't, right?

Hey, thanks for giving me orders to stop talking about entropy. LOL!

The universe is a system.

Entropy absolutely DOES show that there was greater intelligence in the past. Only in these times of science have we attempted to reject the idea of God. Yet we can go through nature and view the cause and effect, and the complexity... all of which shout "God." This shows that our intelligence is decreasing, and science is becoming a god in God's place... but only in our atrophied minds.

Entropy is one of your best friends! LOL.

I still don't see how entropy shows there was greater intelligence in the past. First of all even if god existed, he would be outside the universe meaning he is not part of the universe, even if he was extremely intelligent intelligent it wouldn't matter because he is not a part of the universe. Our intelligence is by far increasing, I would talk about millions of years ago but you don't believe we have existed for so long so I will just limit to a few thousands of years ago. The difference between people now and then is huge, we are more intelligent mostly because of all the knowledge we have and have access to. In any case our intelligence is definitely not decreasing.

[BADecker]

I still don't see how entropy shows there was greater intelligence in the past.

That's understandable. People of the past saw it.

First of all even if god existed, he would be outside the universe meaning he is not part of the universe, even if he was extremely intelligent intelligent it wouldn't matter because he is not a part of the universe.

A pool shark might be able to tap the cue ball in just the right way so that it hits a second ball which hits a third ball which hits a fourth ball which knocks a designated fifth ball into a designated pocket. But the pool shark can't do this with atoms, or electrons or protons or neutrons.

God does it with countless electrons, countless protons, countless neutrons, countless photons, and every other particle and wave in the universe, to produce complexity, like intelligence and emotion, which come into being in multitudes of people, many years (13-14 billion if you are a standard scientist) after initially tapping these particles into motion. The point? Your puny thinking can't come close to guessing what God can and can't do... if He can be in the universe or outside of it or not.

Our intelligence is by far increasing, I would talk about millions of years ago but you don't believe we have existed for so long so I will just limit to a few thousands of years ago.

Intelligence is complexity. Entropy is breaking complexity/intelligence down. Our intelligence is decreasing. All you have to do is read, for example, Blackstone's Commentaries to see that our intelligence is weaker. Or try Josephus, or any of the ancient scholars.

The difference between people now and then is huge, we are more intelligent mostly because of all the knowledge we have and have access to. In any case our intelligence is definitely not decreasing.

The intelligence you are talking about is not individual intelligence. Rather, it is cumulative intelligence based on recorded findings by many people. Individual intelligence is decreasing.

However, such modern intelligence is destroying the world. At least people of the past were intelligent enough to not join their intelligence like we have, so that they started to destroy the world like we are doing.

[Astargath]

I still don't see how entropy shows there was greater intelligence in the past.

That's understandable. People of the past saw it.

First of all even if god existed, he would be outside the universe meaning he is not part of the universe, even if he was extremely intelligent intelligent it wouldn't matter because he is not a part of the universe.

A pool shark might be able to tap the cue ball in just the right way so that it hits a second ball which hits a third ball which hits a fourth ball which knocks a designated fifth ball into a designated pocket. But the pool shark can't do this with atoms, or electrons or protons or neutrons.

God does it with countless electrons, countless protons, countless neutrons, countless photons, and every other particle and wave in the universe, to produce complexity, like intelligence and emotion, which come into being in multitudes of people, many years (13-14 billion if you are a standard scientist) after initially tapping these particles into motion. The point? Your puny thinking can't come close to guessing what God can and can't do... if He can be in the universe or outside of it or not.

Our intelligence is by far increasing, I would talk about millions of years ago but you don't believe we have existed for so long so I will just limit to a few thousands of years ago.

Intelligence is complexity. Entropy is breaking complexity/intelligence down. Our intelligence is decreasing. All you have to do is read, for example, Blackstone's Commentaries to see that our intelligence is weaker. Or try Josephus, or any of the ancient scholars.

The difference between people now and then is huge, we are more intelligent mostly because of all the knowledge we have and have access to. In any case our intelligence is definitely not decreasing.

The intelligence you are talking about is not individual intelligence. Rather, it is cumulative intelligence based on recorded findings by many people. Individual intelligence is decreasing.

However, such modern intelligence is destroying the world. At least people of the past were intelligent enough to not join their intelligence like we have, so that they started to destroy the world like we are doing.

There is no doubt that a modern human is far far more intelligent than a homo habilis, for example. If god made the universe he had to be outside it otherwise he couldn't have made it. You can't be part of the universe and then create the universe because that would mean the universe was already created, it's pretty simple logic.

[enhu]

I still don't see how entropy shows there was greater intelligence in the past.

That's understandable. People of the past saw it.

First of all even if god existed, he would be outside the universe meaning he is not part of the universe, even if he was extremely intelligent intelligent it wouldn't matter because he is not a part of the universe.

A pool shark might be able to tap the cue ball in just the right way so that it hits a second ball which hits a third ball which hits a fourth ball which knocks a designated fifth ball into a designated pocket. But the pool shark can't do this with atoms, or electrons or protons or neutrons.

God does it with countless electrons, countless protons, countless neutrons, countless photons, and every other particle and wave in the universe, to produce complexity, like intelligence and emotion, which come into being in multitudes of people, many years (13-14 billion if you are a standard scientist) after initially tapping these particles into motion. The point? Your puny thinking can't come close to guessing what God can and can't do... if He can be in the universe or outside of it or not.

Our intelligence is by far increasing, I would talk about millions of years ago but you don't believe we have existed for so long so I will just limit to a few thousands of years ago.

Intelligence is complexity. Entropy is breaking complexity/intelligence down. Our intelligence is decreasing. All you have to do is read, for example, Blackstone's Commentaries to see that our intelligence is weaker. Or try Josephus, or any of the ancient scholars.

The difference between people now and then is huge, we are more intelligent mostly because of all the knowledge we have and have access to. In any case our intelligence is definitely not decreasing.

The intelligence you are talking about is not individual intelligence. Rather, it is cumulative intelligence based on recorded findings by many people. Individual intelligence is decreasing.

However, such modern intelligence is destroying the world. At least people of the past were intelligent enough to not join their intelligence like we have, so that they started to destroy the world like we are doing.

There is no doubt that a modern human is far far more intelligent than a homo habilis, for example. If god made the universe he had to be outside it otherwise he couldn't have made it. You can't be part of the universe and then create the universe because that would mean the universe was already created, it's pretty simple logic.

Or could it be god is crazy enough where he created his own universe much as a person who suffer schizophrenia who created his own world full of characters of his own as well which is why there are tons of gods, benevolent gods so they say.

[BADecker]

I still don't see how entropy shows there was greater intelligence in the past.

That's understandable. People of the past saw it.

First of all even if god existed, he would be outside the universe meaning he is not part of the universe, even if he was extremely intelligent intelligent it wouldn't matter because he is not a part of the universe.

A pool shark might be able to tap the cue ball in just the right way so that it hits a second ball which hits a third ball which hits a fourth ball which knocks a designated fifth ball into a designated pocket. But the pool shark can't do this with atoms, or electrons or protons or neutrons.

God does it with countless electrons, countless protons, countless neutrons, countless photons, and every other particle and wave in the universe, to produce complexity, like intelligence and emotion, which come into being in multitudes of people, many years (13-14 billion if you are a standard scientist) after initially tapping these particles into motion. The point? Your puny thinking can't come close to guessing what God can and can't do... if He can be in the universe or outside of it or not.

Our intelligence is by far increasing, I would talk about millions of years ago but you don't believe we have existed for so long so I will just limit to a few thousands of years ago.

Intelligence is complexity. Entropy is breaking complexity/intelligence down. Our intelligence is decreasing. All you have to do is read, for example, Blackstone's Commentaries to see that our intelligence is weaker. Or try Josephus, or any of the ancient scholars.

The difference between people now and then is huge, we are more intelligent mostly because of all the knowledge we have and have access to. In any case our intelligence is definitely not decreasing.

The intelligence you are talking about is not individual intelligence. Rather, it is cumulative intelligence based on recorded findings by many people. Individual intelligence is decreasing.

However, such modern intelligence is destroying the world. At least people of the past were intelligent enough to not join their intelligence like we have, so that they started to destroy the world like we are doing.

There is no doubt that a modern human is far far more intelligent than a homo habilis, for example. If god made the universe he had to be outside it otherwise he couldn't have made it. You can't be part of the universe and then create the universe because that would mean the universe was already created, it's pretty simple logic.

Your logic about God isn't good enough to suggest anything about God other than what simple nature and science shows us. Consider. When you build a house, you are within it some of the time, and outside it part of the time. But God can't do this with the universe? You talk so silly.

[BADecker]

I still don't see how entropy shows there was greater intelligence in the past.

That's understandable. People of the past saw it.

First of all even if god existed, he would be outside the universe meaning he is not part of the universe, even if he was extremely intelligent intelligent it wouldn't matter because he is not a part of the universe.

A pool shark might be able to tap the cue ball in just the right way so that it hits a second ball which hits a third ball which hits a fourth ball which knocks a designated fifth ball into a designated pocket. But the pool shark can't do this with atoms, or electrons or protons or neutrons.

God does it with countless electrons, countless protons, countless neutrons, countless photons, and every other particle and wave in the universe, to produce complexity, like intelligence and emotion, which come into being in multitudes of people, many years (13-14 billion if you are a standard scientist) after initially tapping these particles into motion. The point? Your puny thinking can't come close to guessing what God can and can't do... if He can be in the universe or outside of it or not.

Our intelligence is by far increasing, I would talk about millions of years ago but you don't believe we have existed for so long so I will just limit to a few thousands of years ago.

Intelligence is complexity. Entropy is breaking complexity/intelligence down. Our intelligence is decreasing. All you have to do is read, for example, Blackstone's Commentaries to see that our intelligence is weaker. Or try Josephus, or any of the ancient scholars.

The difference between people now and then is huge, we are more intelligent mostly because of all the knowledge we have and have access to. In any case our intelligence is definitely not decreasing.

The intelligence you are talking about is not individual intelligence. Rather, it is cumulative intelligence based on recorded findings by many people. Individual intelligence is decreasing.

However, such modern intelligence is destroying the world. At least people of the past were intelligent enough to not join their intelligence like we have, so that they started to destroy the world like we are doing.

There is no doubt that a modern human is far far more intelligent than a homo habilis, for example. If god made the universe he had to be outside it otherwise he couldn't have made it. You can't be part of the universe and then create the universe because that would mean the universe was already created, it's pretty simple logic.

Or could it be god is crazy enough where he created his own universe much as a person who suffer schizophrenia who created his own world full of characters of his own as well which is why there are tons of gods, benevolent gods so they say.

Dozens of gods are the things mankind created. God never wanted mankind to do this.

Now that mankind suggests that God doesn't exist, what man is really doing is trying to make himself into God, simply by thinking he has the ability to find some other way for the universe to exist than through God.

[Vod]

Then God said, "Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters." God made the expanse, and separated the waters which were below the expanse from the waters which were above the expanse; and it was so. God called the expanse heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.…

It's obvious to Me that heaven is in the Mariana Trench, almost 11km down.  The only part of earth We have not explored.

[tychovrahe]

first of all, you have to provide a definition of god, then we can talk about proofs.

[Przemax]

We can't understand God. But He understands us completely, because He made us. So, He is able to reveal Himself to us. He has done this in the Bible.

"We" meaning Flattards, right?

I understand exactly what a god is.  It's an idea.  

No. That is why you do not understand God. God is not a platonic concept. It is not idea that is outside of the world. He is in the world and you can see his influence on the individuals and society. You need to first abandon the idea that the God is the idea.

Many people all around the world see the hand of God that saves them. They feel it because everything was going the other way and there was "some" action that makes everything go some other way. It is the rod and staff of our heavenly sheepherd.

That is the reason why people even have the concept of neoatheism(original materialistic point of view was discredited scientificly that is why you are not believing the original form of atheism). That is because of the neoplatonic influence saying the God is somehow outside and visible by miracles only. If you define God that way being atheist is rational.

But Platon, who was introduced into christianity by satanic influence of catholicism, had made the large part of the world Godless.

Epicurean atheism was changed into neoplatonic atheism.