How is Bryce Weiner not facing charges from the SEC at this point? Weiner and Bitsta are con-men and should be charged as such
How can you say that? They were just "helping" you know? (tongue firmly pressed against the cheek...) And, by the way, if I -or anyone else- would have pointed out the shortcomings of such "helpers" both at the time, you can be 110% sure the same "infantry" that is vocal here against the messenger would have duplicated, exactly and literally, the shouts. It is indeed quite funny. |
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I will no longer be addressing posts from the fear monger "Barabbas" who enjoys nothing more than to fuck up unmoderated Bitcoin Talk forum threads which his cancerous talk and false accusations.
He has nothing positive to contribute to society and I feel sorry for him.
It is up to each and every one of you to help build this new world of cryptocurrencies. You can be a part of the solution. Consider your role in the ecosystem.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
Thanks,
Julian
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I don't have to call the SEC because it is not (yet) regulated so what in the real world is obvious and punishable insider trading, in crypto not only is not penalized but considered normal, acceptable behavior by the likes of you and others. That's why the sheriff is coming to town mand you and other will soon learn a hard lesson in the most elemental ethics. The hard way, of course.
Once again for the ignorants: You can do with your coins whatever you want, sell them to whomever or throw them away if you like. On a regulated market though, IF YOU ARE AN INSIDER, you simply can NOT. It is ILLEGAL and punishable with jail. Get it now?
Since I am such an ignorant, I will gladly acknowledge you are right if you can prove it. So far I have seen no merit to your argument that what jyap did in the post you linked to constitutes insider trading. Please provide links/definitions to back up your claims. Additionally please show how jyap and/or CryptoCayce benefited from this 'insider trading'. Here is the SEC's page on insider trading to start you off. http://www.sec.gov/answers/insider.htmGladly. If Julian would have wanted to purchase 1.5 million pink in the marketplace, his orders, to be fulfilled, would have created an increase in the price by themselves. It other words, he would have had to buy probably the entire book, or at least a significant part of it (I take you know what the "book" is?), therefore paying significantly more than he paid CryptoCayce for it. That's the way HE profited. CryptoCayce profited, conversely, because if he would have sold those 1.5 million pink in the market the opposite effect would have occurred and he wouldn't have obtained even remotely close to the "market price" he got from Julian. Since it was Julian buying and Cayce was not supposed to DUMP -it's called dump when devs sell their coins-, the market price of pink would have increased as a consequence of Julian's buy, therefore not only he benefited, not only Cayce benefited, but also ALL pink investors lost value on their investment due to that particular backroom operation. That is ILLEGAL INSIDER TRADING in the real world. And is punishable with jail and extremely high fines. I have explained the a to z of how that is unethical on any perspective and illegal in the real world one. Now it is up to you to choose to believe what better suit your interests. It won't change the facts of what took place one bit. Just as I thought...this is not insider trading. This is off exchange trading aka aver the counter trading in the financial world. Im sorry barabbas, but your claim is utterly ridiculous. Coins dont have to be purchased/sold on an exchange. For that matter neither do stocks/bonds. And you, AGAIN, choose to miss the point. CHOOSE... The difference between insider illegal trading and trading "over the counter" or in any other fashioon is that INSIDERS, are not legally allowed to do ANY SELLING which is not transparent and within the strict windows set. The cannot sell, period, when they want but only when they are allowed, regardless what the market price is. And they have to notify their intention to sell well in advance of such window periods. Non insiders can, of course, as stated several times before, sell their investments when where and to whomk they choose. But INSIDERS can NOT. Now back to choose whatever seudo reality you seem fit. barabbas, you are a pure cancer to this thread, i think that is a fairly uncontroversial thing to say, given the responses to your perseveration. and you won't even address the very reasonable jyap's most recent post, choosing instead to fire away at semantic arguments about what is and isn't insider trading... so why not just let it go, and go play somewhere else? it seems obvious you're just looking to get into arguments for self-amusement/aggrandizement, so can you just be merciful and do it elsewhere so i and others don't have to read your boring screeds? maybe head over and irritate the BYC folks at coinblab... thanks! Sorry for some reason -and there's a very solid reason for I don't have anyone on ignore that I remember-, I had you on ignore... I can't leave the thread, you see I recently invested in NAUT and I am trying to defend my investment. You see, the reason I invested in NAUT is because I expected BK to find some solid solution to a problem (POS) that every single shit coin out there has solved before launching, every single one. So I figured he would solve it in a snap and since the price had gone down way more than I had ever expected, even in the worst of circumstances, I figured it would be a not too risky investment at these levels. But enough of my reasons. The project, I feel, should be pole position for upcoming regulation and not very much is needed, in my view, to achieve that status on a solid base, but SOME actions are indeed required. Getting the "help", voluntary or otherwise, of Julian Yap is the solution? It doesn't seem so. The markets don't think so, so how wise is it? Does BK even care at this point? Those are the relevant questions investors should be posting, rather than attacking the messenger... Oh, wait, that would be in a world of common sense and basic intelligence, sorry for a moment I deluded myself believing I was in such a world... I know much better, though. |
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Gladly. If Julia would have wanted to purchase 1.5 million pink in the marketplace, his orders, to be fulfilled, would have created an increase in the price by themselves.
Thats so dumb!!!! So basically your saying the federal government is committing insider trading due to the auctioning of SR coins? “This sealed bid auction is for a portion of the bitcoins contained in wallet files that resided on certain computer hardware belonging to Ross William Ulbricht, that were seized on or about October 24, 2013.” http://www.coindesk.com/us-marshals-auction-50000-bitcoins-seized-ross-ulbricht/No. You are dumb in pretending such correlation. The federal government regularly auctions off all kind of items and commodities it seizes from delinquents. I know you understand clearly the differences, it just doesn't suit your personal agenda as a NAUT bagholder, that's all. Otherwise, I don't imply anything. I state facts. It's up to you to make of them whatever implications better suit you. As for reputation, in a world where investments go solely on reputation (i.e Supernet, Ethereum...) the reputation of Julian Yap seems to be doing quite a number on NAUT's price, don't you think? You spread lies. You spread false accusations. You hide behind a pseudonym "barabbas". You are a coward. You have a bad reputation. You contribute nothing positive to society or crypto. The world is better off without you. These are facts. Those are not facts, that is just your very partial opinion. And I never, ever lie. Ever. As you well know. Exactly what "lies" I spread? Isn't it YOU posting that you bought directly from Cayce 1 million PINK? I just quoted you. And gave you the benefit of the doubt assuming you were not lying, just forgetful. But it was a LIE. YOUR LIE. Proven. Demonstrated. In your very own words. In writing. Who spread lies? |
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I don't have to call the SEC because it is not (yet) regulated so what in the real world is obvious and punishable insider trading, in crypto not only is not penalized but considered normal, acceptable behavior by the likes of you and others. That's why the sheriff is coming to town mand you and other will soon learn a hard lesson in the most elemental ethics. The hard way, of course.
Once again for the ignorants: You can do with your coins whatever you want, sell them to whomever or throw them away if you like. On a regulated market though, IF YOU ARE AN INSIDER, you simply can NOT. It is ILLEGAL and punishable with jail. Get it now?
Since I am such an ignorant, I will gladly acknowledge you are right if you can prove it. So far I have seen no merit to your argument that what jyap did in the post you linked to constitutes insider trading. Please provide links/definitions to back up your claims. Additionally please show how jyap and/or CryptoCayce benefited from this 'insider trading'. Here is the SEC's page on insider trading to start you off. http://www.sec.gov/answers/insider.htmGladly. If Julian would have wanted to purchase 1.5 million pink in the marketplace, his orders, to be fulfilled, would have created an increase in the price by themselves. It other words, he would have had to buy probably the entire book, or at least a significant part of it (I take you know what the "book" is?), therefore paying significantly more than he paid CryptoCayce for it. That's the way HE profited. CryptoCayce profited, conversely, because if he would have sold those 1.5 million pink in the market the opposite effect would have occurred and he wouldn't have obtained even remotely close to the "market price" he got from Julian. Since it was Julian buying and Cayce was not supposed to DUMP -it's called dump when devs sell their coins-, the market price of pink would have increased as a consequence of Julian's buy, therefore not only he benefited, not only Cayce benefited, but also ALL pink investors lost value on their investment due to that particular backroom operation. That is ILLEGAL INSIDER TRADING in the real world. And is punishable with jail and extremely high fines. I have explained the a to z of how that is unethical on any perspective and illegal in the real world one. Now it is up to you to choose to believe what better suit your interests. It won't change the facts of what took place one bit. Just as I thought...this is not insider trading. This is off exchange trading aka aver the counter trading in the financial world. Im sorry barabbas, but your claim is utterly ridiculous. Coins dont have to be purchased/sold on an exchange. For that matter neither do stocks/bonds. And you, AGAIN, choose to miss the point. CHOOSE... The difference between insider illegal trading and trading "over the counter" or in any other fashioon is that INSIDERS, are not legally allowed to do ANY SELLING which is not transparent and within the strict windows set. The cannot sell, period, when they want but only when they are allowed, regardless what the market price is. And they have to notify their intention to sell well in advance of such window periods. Non insiders can, of course, as stated several times before, sell their investments when where and to whomk they choose. But INSIDERS can NOT. Now back to choose whatever seudo reality you seem fit. Strange then that you would have been so fond of the Breakout Gaming ICO...or have you changed your mind on that? Arent ICOs/ITOs/crowdsales just insiders selling coins over the counter, when not on an exchange? Again..your argument has no merit in my view at all. There are real scams in crypto...what you described is not one of them IMO. Regarding BRO I still believe -and posted to that effect- it is a great idea for a crypto ... terribly badly executed. As far as ICOs, ITOs... whatever, being insider trading, you just refuse to see reality. They are Venture Capital rising, instead, which is a very different kind of deal altogether, buty I will not abound on it any more since it, obviously, serves no purpose. What I described is what it is, no more no less. I haven't called it scam at any point. Just unethical behavior which is illegal in the real world. You put the rest, not me. And the markets are rendering a very clear verdict on it too. |
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I don't have to call the SEC because it is not (yet) regulated so what in the real world is obvious and punishable insider trading, in crypto not only is not penalized but considered normal, acceptable behavior by the likes of you and others. That's why the sheriff is coming to town mand you and other will soon learn a hard lesson in the most elemental ethics. The hard way, of course.
Once again for the ignorants: You can do with your coins whatever you want, sell them to whomever or throw them away if you like. On a regulated market though, IF YOU ARE AN INSIDER, you simply can NOT. It is ILLEGAL and punishable with jail. Get it now?
Since I am such an ignorant, I will gladly acknowledge you are right if you can prove it. So far I have seen no merit to your argument that what jyap did in the post you linked to constitutes insider trading. Please provide links/definitions to back up your claims. Additionally please show how jyap and/or CryptoCayce benefited from this 'insider trading'. Here is the SEC's page on insider trading to start you off. http://www.sec.gov/answers/insider.htmGladly. If Julian would have wanted to purchase 1.5 million pink in the marketplace, his orders, to be fulfilled, would have created an increase in the price by themselves. It other words, he would have had to buy probably the entire book, or at least a significant part of it (I take you know what the "book" is?), therefore paying significantly more than he paid CryptoCayce for it. That's the way HE profited. CryptoCayce profited, conversely, because if he would have sold those 1.5 million pink in the market the opposite effect would have occurred and he wouldn't have obtained even remotely close to the "market price" he got from Julian. Since it was Julian buying and Cayce was not supposed to DUMP -it's called dump when devs sell their coins-, the market price of pink would have increased as a consequence of Julian's buy, therefore not only he benefited, not only Cayce benefited, but also ALL pink investors lost value on their investment due to that particular backroom operation. That is ILLEGAL INSIDER TRADING in the real world. And is punishable with jail and extremely high fines. I have explained the a to z of how that is unethical on any perspective and illegal in the real world one. Now it is up to you to choose to believe what better suit your interests. It won't change the facts of what took place one bit. Just as I thought...this is not insider trading. This is off exchange trading aka aver the counter trading in the financial world. Im sorry barabbas, but your claim is utterly ridiculous. Coins dont have to be purchased/sold on an exchange. For that matter neither do stocks/bonds. And you, AGAIN, choose to miss the point. CHOOSE... The difference between insider illegal trading and trading "over the counter" or in any other fashioon is that INSIDERS, are not legally allowed to do ANY SELLING which is not transparent and within the strict windows set. The cannot sell, period, when they want but only when they are allowed, regardless what the market price is. And they have to notify their intention to sell well in advance of such window periods. Non insiders can, of course, as stated several times before, sell their investments when where and to whomk they choose. But INSIDERS can NOT. Now back to choose whatever seudo reality you seem fit. |
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Gladly. If Julia would have wanted to purchase 1.5 million pink in the marketplace, his orders, to be fulfilled, would have created an increase in the price by themselves.
Thats so dumb!!!! So basically your saying the federal government is committing insider trading due to the auctioning of SR coins? “This sealed bid auction is for a portion of the bitcoins contained in wallet files that resided on certain computer hardware belonging to Ross William Ulbricht, that were seized on or about October 24, 2013.” http://www.coindesk.com/us-marshals-auction-50000-bitcoins-seized-ross-ulbricht/No. You are dumb in pretending such correlation. The federal government regularly auctions off all kind of items and commodities it seizes from delinquents. I know you understand clearly the differences, it just doesn't suit your personal agenda as a NAUT bagholder, that's all. Otherwise, I don't imply anything. I state facts. It's up to you to make of them whatever implications better suit you. As for reputation, in a world where investments go solely on reputation (i.e Supernet, Ethereum...) the reputation of Julian Yap seems to be doing quite a number on NAUT's price, don't you think? |
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I don't have to call the SEC because it is not (yet) regulated so what in the real world is obvious and punishable insider trading, in crypto not only is not penalized but considered normal, acceptable behavior by the likes of you and others. That's why the sheriff is coming to town mand you and other will soon learn a hard lesson in the most elemental ethics. The hard way, of course.
Once again for the ignorants: You can do with your coins whatever you want, sell them to whomever or throw them away if you like. On a regulated market though, IF YOU ARE AN INSIDER, you simply can NOT. It is ILLEGAL and punishable with jail. Get it now?
Since I am such an ignorant, I will gladly acknowledge you are right if you can prove it. So far I have seen no merit to your argument that what jyap did in the post you linked to constitutes insider trading. Please provide links/definitions to back up your claims. Additionally please show how jyap and/or CryptoCayce benefited from this 'insider trading'. Here is the SEC's page on insider trading to start you off. http://www.sec.gov/answers/insider.htmGladly. If Julian would have wanted to purchase 1.5 million pink in the marketplace, his orders, to be fulfilled, would have created an increase in the price by themselves. It other words, he would have had to buy probably the entire book, or at least a significant part of it (I take you know what the "book" is?), therefore paying significantly more than he paid CryptoCayce for it. That's the way HE profited. CryptoCayce profited, conversely, because if he would have sold those 1.5 million pink in the market the opposite effect would have occurred and he wouldn't have obtained even remotely close to the "market price" he got from Julian. Since it was Julian buying and Cayce was not supposed to DUMP -it's called dump when devs sell their coins-, the market price of pink would have increased as a consequence of Julian's buy, therefore not only he benefited, not only Cayce benefited, but also ALL pink investors lost value on their investment due to that particular backroom operation. That is ILLEGAL INSIDER TRADING in the real world. And is punishable with jail and extremely high fines. I have explained the a to z of how that is unethical on any perspective and illegal in the real world one. Now it is up to you to choose to believe what better suit your interests. It won't change the facts of what took place one bit. |
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I don't have to call the SEC because it is not (yet) regulated so what in the real world is obvious and punishable insider trading, in crypto not only is not penalized but considered normal, acceptable behavior by the likes of you and others.
You sure about that? “It has not been tested, but I do believe we have the authority because bitcoin, by I think a very rational reading of our statute, classifies as a commodity and the definition of a commodity under the Commodity Exchange Act." http://www.coindesk.com/commissioner-claims-cftc-can-intervene-bitcoin-markets/There's certainly no precedent but the statute could be enforceable, I don't know. What I do know is that when regulation comes, mane "loose behaviors", for lack of a better term, could be and probably will be re-examined. Either way, is crypto is to ever be taken seriously, obvious ethically-lacking behaviors, such a back room deals, auctioning of features and software created on behalf of investors, etc. need to be eliminated. People used to "help" (you just have to love the euphemism) competing projects, need to be brought to line. So basically your wondering if crypto will be taken seriously? What is a back room deal? Is this supposed to be a peer to peer currency/commodity? auctioning of features? what do you mean? No, not basically. Definitely. The bad guys have to get burned off crypto if it is to be taken seriously. A back room deal is one made in secret, without any transparency at all. In the real world, those are strictly (at least in intention) regulated and the Feds watch over them besides providing incentives in the millions of dollars to whistle blowers. In the crypto world are the coin of choice of the bad players. I take you have read recent scandals in which coin developers are on the payroll of pump and dump groups such as the ones headed by Prometheus and bobsurplus. Before that, the infamous Black Hand that thoroughly manipulated Black Coin with the full knowledge, support and participation of its dev team. Anyway those are some of the back room deals most notorious, there are many others going on right now that have been more discreetly handled ... so far. Other back room deals are auctions and purchases of features developed -often with backing of donations from investors- by the devs of some coins that are either for hire on a part time basis -like Julian here- of have their features developed available for sale or auction to whoever bid the highest, so they are not necessarily as interested in the success -and raise in price- of the coin as they are in selling those features or services to other competing projects. The amazing euphemisms that they use, range from "helping" other projects, are just hilarious. Since they actually believe it is not unethical behavior in some cases, they gladly point out that it is sort of "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" and, as such, perfectly acceptable, Anyway, the whole back room scene is just another world of which we are now catching glimpses and only through disenchanted or disenfranchise otherwise gladly and willful participants in the many versions of the shady schemes that rule the alt world and which the general investor is not aware of. |
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There are significant differences though. While the stooges are kids with no name, playing with crypto, Brian Kelly is a celebrity, a writer of books and frequent CNBC contributor. The backlash would indeed affect his career outside of crypto, therefore it is very much in his interest that NAUT not only succeed but remains very, very clean.
The stooges, unfortunately -and I don't know if they have dumped or not, let make that perfectly clear-, don't seem to be aware -or care at all for- the fact that what they are doing now is registered in the ledger of the Internet and in the future could easily come back to haunt them, much like a DUI in your early years could actually damage your career prospects when you grow up. For instance: IF and when law enforcement seizes their upcoming "decentralized cloud" and finds child porno and drug and arms contracts stored there, among other "goodies", them being the responsible party, how do you think that will look on a background check when they apply for a government grant for scientific medical development?
But who cares now, right? They have their on show on the hangouts and a few cheerleaders actually cheering them, something this nerds have never ever have in their lives, so they seize the moment ... and the perception that they can actually be rich... 10s of thousands rich, mind you.
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I don't have to call the SEC because it is not (yet) regulated so what in the real world is obvious and punishable insider trading, in crypto not only is not penalized but considered normal, acceptable behavior by the likes of you and others.
You sure about that? “It has not been tested, but I do believe we have the authority because bitcoin, by I think a very rational reading of our statute, classifies as a commodity and the definition of a commodity under the Commodity Exchange Act." http://www.coindesk.com/commissioner-claims-cftc-can-intervene-bitcoin-markets/There's certainly no precedent but the statute could be enforceable, I don't know. What I do know is that when regulation comes, mane "loose behaviors", for lack of a better term, could be and probably will be re-examined. Either way, is crypto is to ever be taken seriously, obvious ethically-lacking behaviors, such a back room deals, auctioning of features and software created on behalf of investors, etc. need to be eliminated. People used to "help" (you just have to love the euphemism) competing projects, need to be brought to line. |
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I guess when a company sells stock directly to an investor "off market" that is insider trading? Many companies do this... Home Depot, Kellog, Pfizer, General Electric, etc. Alert the SEC now!
A company can sell stock, under regulation and through public reporting and channels if complying with rules, laws and regulations. A COMPANY, not an insider on any company. Do you see the difference? A company has also a lot of other legal obligations to comply with and certainly can sell it's assets, if approved by stakeholders and boards. An individual can NOT. Like I said, insiders are restricted to two small windows per year in which they can sell their stock and have to predetermine the amount of stock they sell, so they cannot either benefit from bull run markets nor influence the price of the stock otherwise. It's the law. And, of course, the ethical thing to do. The lesson is over. |
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I have kept you guys informed as to all the information in which I have been given, there is no more information to be given. When there is I share it, every time, every bit of news I get, or catch wind of, I have brought forth here. If you guys don't want to listen or read up then that's on you. It is not my responsibility to teach you how to scroll your browser above the most recent post, or click the link that takes you to the last page(s). And again a new dev has been selected. (I believe this is post number 4 in which I have stated this, of course it could be more). https://twitter.com/Nautiluscoin/status/532549920285556737 <-- third time this has been linked to my knowledge. And if you'd like I can copy out of my personal messages here from jyap to again post that he said he was working on it. It will be a repost though. And that would probably the cause of thios sell off... "jyap", really? Is it the best BK can do? Julian ("jyap") is working, as far as I know, in his own coin, jumbucks or whatever it's name is, while picking up the crumbs left by the totally discredited Dan Metcalf and collecting money for "code reviews" that, apparently, is a very good way of making quick money these days. Julian was involved with the code review of PINK several months ago and participated in a behind the scenes deal with PINK's developers -where they sold him one million coins, supposedly at market prices-. This is obviously ok with both Julian and those developers who have unloaded many millions of coins off-market, which is amazing to me because it cannot be less ethic even by desiugn... nore more damaging for the coin. The relationship with PINK continues and Jumbucks just announces his agreement with the PINK devs to offer mining for Pink in the Jumbucks multi mine... for a price, of course, roughly the times the fees any other mining operation charges. Obviously this is quite alright with not just PINK's devs, but also Mr "jyap", BK's new developer. If "jyap" follows his modus operandi from the past, he would have engineered a behind the scenes, off-market deal with BK by which BK would have unloaded a considerable amount of NAUT at "favorable prices", if not free altogether, in exchange for those services. No transparency whatsoever. And still some post that this is NOT BK's coin, yes the one he doesn't make a single post no matter how deep the price crisis. That one. So now some of us have at least some ideas as to why the coin went all the way down to 5000 and change. Not much reason to celebrate, is there? Hello Barabbas, I happened to check the other day and I have approximately 2200 NAUT that I bought on the open market. 2000 NAUT was bought well over the current price. This is in an offline wallet. There is no "behind the scenes" deal with the Pinkcoin developers regarding the code review. I did the code review for Pinkcoin FREE because they asked nicely and because I wanted to set an example at the time in the crypto community. Perhaps I am strange in that I dislike scam coins? I reviewed the code and the blockchain and signed off on what I wrote. I bought 1 million Pinkcoin at the time at market rates (I believe around 22 satoshis) because I liked the coin and the honest direction they were taking. I have approximately 1.5 million Pinkcoin which is held in an offline wallet. I bought an addition 500k Pinkcoin off the markets, again well over the current price. Regarding the Pinkcoin addition to the Jumbucks multipool, Twitter user @abilliondoge started a campaign to get a Pinkcoin multipool: https://twitter.com/abilliondoge/status/526081558416216065I noticed this and came up with a win win solution. Outlined here, just today in a press release I wrote 2 days ago: http://www.altcointoday.com/jumbucks-releases-a-multicoin-multipool-with-launch-partner-pinkcoin/I have helped out a lot of coins over time and had countless discussions with coin developers and people in the crypto community without payment. Honestly, I don't even "need" crypto in my life. I have a full time job and career which pays fine. With NAUT I am picking up the pieces of an an abandoned PoS transition. I have already made a statement about this. Outlining all this is obviously a waste of my time. Baseless allegations against me is honestly also a waste of your time. You are just making yourself look bad. Seriously, dig your own hole. I try and help out coins that I like. I voluntarily run the NAUT block explorer: http://nautinsight.buddylabsapps.comHmm, let me see. Oh looks like I have been donated 200.709 NAUT over time by people I don't even know. I am also very public. Here you can read my profile: http://cryptoasian.com/jbs-jumbucks/I also made a coin which is now called Jumbucks. You can check out the web site: http://getjumbucks.comI run a free weekly newsletter called Cryptocurrency Weekly: http://cryptocurrencyweekly.comThanks, Julian Julian, I am not going to call you a liar... but I need to refresh your memory because, obviously, you have forgotten the truth... as posted by you here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=624017.msg7042831#msg7042831And I copy/paste: FULL DISCLOSURE: I often invest in coins from time to time and have recently tweeted the coins I own on my Twitter account @jyap. I liked that Pinkcoin did not have a premine and the transparency of the group when questions were brought up. I personally bought 1,000,000 Pinkcoins at market rate directly from @CryptoCayce since I liked the group's outreach plans and projects mentioned in their annoucement. (bolded by me). It matters because, as I had posted, you not only find this behavior acceptable, but even ethical and you openly disclose it. Do you know what the purchase in the open market of 1.5 million PINK would do to the price of the coin? Oh yes, you do. Investors on those coins are literally robbed on such off-market action. Now, regarding NAUT, what exactly is the nature of your collaboration here? Are you being paid or otherwise compensated or is it an at will kind of shake hands deal where you are not accountable for any results, lack thereof or deadlines? Are we to expect that NAUT would be mined at the Jumbucks pool for a fee triple the going rate in other pools? No euphemisms, please. And if you are going to issue a rebuttal of anything I post, at least check before what you yourself have publicly admitted to. There is absolutely nothing wrong with buying a coin at market price off exchange. Absolutely nothing at all. It is utterly ridiculous to take the position that coins should only be bought on exchanges. Utterly ridiculous. barabbas, go FUD yourself. It is called insider trading and people go to jail for it. In the real, regulated world, which is where NAUT wants to be. I will after you, purplejaguar, fuck yourself, ok? Oh goodie, I was hoping you'd respond  And no that is not what is called insider trading, maybe you can look up that definition. In the real world perhaps what jyap did would be equivalent to trading stocks off exchange... which is perfectly legal to do. Oh look..AAPL execs sold stocks at a convenient time for them... INSIDER TRADING! THEY'RE GOING TO JAIL!! http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-execs-sold-143-million-worth-of-stock-2014-9barabbas... I always enjoy reading your posts...I have for months. They provide great entertainment value Your ignorance is not only evident but it's showing inevitable. When developers (or executives) trade within either themselves or others, it's called INSIDER TRADING. And you go to jail for it. Get it? And no, no executives or insiders in any capacity, are allowed to even sell to others, IN THE OPEN MARKETS, except during the very small, long pre-determined "window" in which they are allowed to do so, again, IN THE OPEN MARKET. Trying to teach your father how to make children will leave you exposed of your shortcomings 100 out of 100 times. But, apparently, you n want to be the object of everyone's -not just mine- jokes. If you believe I provide entertainment here, you should see the pay-per-view version... you'd have convulsions... Go ahead call the SEC and tell them you've found 'insider trading'.  But seriously though, there are lots of instances in crypto that could be considered insider trading (if this were a regulated industry) but you are quite hilarious to call jyap buying 1m PINK off market insider trading. I don't have to call the SEC because it is not (yet) regulated so what in the real world is obvious and punishable insider trading, in crypto not only is not penalized but considered normal, acceptable behavior by the likes of you and others. That's why the sheriff is coming to town mand you and other will soon learn a hard lesson in the most elemental ethics. The hard way, of course. Once again for the ignorants: You can do with your coins whatever you want, sell them to whomever or throw them away if you like. On a regulated market though, IF YOU ARE AN INSIDER, you simply can NOT. It is ILLEGAL and punishable with jail. Get it now? |
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What's the mood in the cheerleader camp after the price is stabilizing in the 3000 range and many investors lost 90-95% value of their investment?
I would imagine it will be as "festive" as usual. I know that both Kevondo and Lootz are happy counting the thousands of thousands of dollars (I believe they call them millions stateside) that the status of SuperNET's asset their radio operation will eventually achieve. Our pants-boy may have been caught by the wife and it isn't a pretty picture... him, the wife probably is. Idiots are lucky that way some times... LoL tha's funny :-))) Don't make our pants boy angry please, he will be out of control again.
Meanwhile, NAUT is crushing me. I though that Brian Kelly was a lot smarter than he actually is, books and all. Hopefully that one will rebound because I'm going in big, big time. No way to go back now...
The NAUT operation seems a tricky one and perhaps just verifies that the known identity behind a coin doesn't guarantee successful operation (good news for the anonymous James?). I was very excited about the prospect of bringing transparency to digital currencies, that's why I was interested in VRC in the first place, but the state of VRC and NAUT perhaps indicates that the known identity of the devs is not the most important factor in making a coin successful. Good technology, being open source and sort of fair distribution could make a coin successful - no wonder BTC is still there and VRC (which is lack of good tech) is not succeeding. I agree with your view about the importance of complying with regulations and that (the compliance) could be the most important factor in the future when the regulations will be in place, I am talking about how can a coin succeed until the regulations are not enforced. Known identities is obviously an asset, craved more and more by investors tired of scams. But no amount of known identities will help a coin that doesn't move at all, let alone progress in one way or another. Like VRC. Or NAUT. Can you believe Brian Kelly has not been able to get POS working in NAUT after "trying" for months? That is a feature that every shitcoin out there has. And now, after being abandoned by several people "working" on it, including Bryce Wiener, he is in the hands of Julian Yap... not exactly a solid guarantee. Hence the dumping. It is evident that Kelly at the moment has much bigger fish to fry than salvaging an enterprise which is worth, in total market cap, less than what he makes in 6 months at their other income enterprises, maybe even less than 3 months. Problem is he's selling -trying to- a book which is supposed to be a banner add for his crypto enterprise and the current state of total failure is not exactly and advertising gimmick, so, hopefully, the need for it to rebound will prompt some more decisive action. One thing is lack of innovative technology -which is ok- and quite another total lack of implementation of the most basic features that any copy/paste hackjob have readily available. No matter how much exposure you can bring, if what yiou try to sell is a turd, you are not going to be very successful. |
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yes i agree on some level, an ipo where actual work is being done can be ok. but it should be escrowed with an exchange where after x gets completed a certain amount of funds are dispersed. this whole fancy graphics gimme your money with no real product ever being produced has to go. its the same ol same ol people abusing crypto because they have no real skills to contribute. the rest of the world is looking at us more and more everyday and all they see is thieves and scammers. even the btc people share this view that alts have nothing to contribute. its sad because we could be doing some really great things if we can get people to wisen up and lose the get rich overnight mentality. and of course eliminate the scammers from the scene entirely which wouldnt be hard to do with some due dilligence and people with balls.
I find your perspective both agreeable and endearingly naive, for you give way too much credit to a society far more interested in the antics of Kim Kardashian than in anything the leaders of the world, on any matter, may say, propose or do. The alt world is nothing but a microcosm of the society that gave birth to it. |
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What's the mood in the cheerleader camp after the price is stabilizing in the 3000 range and many investors lost 90-95% value of their investment?
I would imagine it will be as "festive" as usual. I know that both Kevondo and Lootz are happy counting the thousands of thousands of dollars (I believe they call them millions stateside) that the status of SuperNET's asset their radio operation will eventually achieve. Our pants-boy may have been caught by the wife and it isn't a pretty picture... him, the wife probably is. Idiots are lucky that way some times... The rats, obviously, are jumping ship big time. It seems to me that by the time it hits 3k, even the cheerleaders will have delivered their pom poms already. Talking about which I just cashed and pocketed the quick 25% rebound. It will more than probably rebound higher for a bit but it may give me the chance to rebuy again in the upper 3s, so I got some change in my few-pants-worth reinvestment in VRC. It's been so many months since VRC and profit were associated, I am a bit teary-eyed, frankly... Meanwhile, NAUT is crushing me. I though that Brian Kelly was a lot smarter than he actually is, books and all. Hopefully that one will rebound because I'm going in big, big time. No way to go back now... |
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I have kept you guys informed as to all the information in which I have been given, there is no more information to be given. When there is I share it, every time, every bit of news I get, or catch wind of, I have brought forth here. If you guys don't want to listen or read up then that's on you. It is not my responsibility to teach you how to scroll your browser above the most recent post, or click the link that takes you to the last page(s). And again a new dev has been selected. (I believe this is post number 4 in which I have stated this, of course it could be more). https://twitter.com/Nautiluscoin/status/532549920285556737 <-- third time this has been linked to my knowledge. And if you'd like I can copy out of my personal messages here from jyap to again post that he said he was working on it. It will be a repost though. And that would probably the cause of thios sell off... "jyap", really? Is it the best BK can do? Julian ("jyap") is working, as far as I know, in his own coin, jumbucks or whatever it's name is, while picking up the crumbs left by the totally discredited Dan Metcalf and collecting money for "code reviews" that, apparently, is a very good way of making quick money these days. Julian was involved with the code review of PINK several months ago and participated in a behind the scenes deal with PINK's developers -where they sold him one million coins, supposedly at market prices-. This is obviously ok with both Julian and those developers who have unloaded many millions of coins off-market, which is amazing to me because it cannot be less ethic even by desiugn... nore more damaging for the coin. The relationship with PINK continues and Jumbucks just announces his agreement with the PINK devs to offer mining for Pink in the Jumbucks multi mine... for a price, of course, roughly the times the fees any other mining operation charges. Obviously this is quite alright with not just PINK's devs, but also Mr "jyap", BK's new developer. If "jyap" follows his modus operandi from the past, he would have engineered a behind the scenes, off-market deal with BK by which BK would have unloaded a considerable amount of NAUT at "favorable prices", if not free altogether, in exchange for those services. No transparency whatsoever. And still some post that this is NOT BK's coin, yes the one he doesn't make a single post no matter how deep the price crisis. That one. So now some of us have at least some ideas as to why the coin went all the way down to 5000 and change. Not much reason to celebrate, is there? Hello Barabbas, I happened to check the other day and I have approximately 2200 NAUT that I bought on the open market. 2000 NAUT was bought well over the current price. This is in an offline wallet. There is no "behind the scenes" deal with the Pinkcoin developers regarding the code review. I did the code review for Pinkcoin FREE because they asked nicely and because I wanted to set an example at the time in the crypto community. Perhaps I am strange in that I dislike scam coins? I reviewed the code and the blockchain and signed off on what I wrote. I bought 1 million Pinkcoin at the time at market rates (I believe around 22 satoshis) because I liked the coin and the honest direction they were taking. I have approximately 1.5 million Pinkcoin which is held in an offline wallet. I bought an addition 500k Pinkcoin off the markets, again well over the current price. Regarding the Pinkcoin addition to the Jumbucks multipool, Twitter user @abilliondoge started a campaign to get a Pinkcoin multipool: https://twitter.com/abilliondoge/status/526081558416216065I noticed this and came up with a win win solution. Outlined here, just today in a press release I wrote 2 days ago: http://www.altcointoday.com/jumbucks-releases-a-multicoin-multipool-with-launch-partner-pinkcoin/I have helped out a lot of coins over time and had countless discussions with coin developers and people in the crypto community without payment. Honestly, I don't even "need" crypto in my life. I have a full time job and career which pays fine. With NAUT I am picking up the pieces of an an abandoned PoS transition. I have already made a statement about this. Outlining all this is obviously a waste of my time. Baseless allegations against me is honestly also a waste of your time. You are just making yourself look bad. Seriously, dig your own hole. I try and help out coins that I like. I voluntarily run the NAUT block explorer: http://nautinsight.buddylabsapps.comHmm, let me see. Oh looks like I have been donated 200.709 NAUT over time by people I don't even know. I am also very public. Here you can read my profile: http://cryptoasian.com/jbs-jumbucks/I also made a coin which is now called Jumbucks. You can check out the web site: http://getjumbucks.comI run a free weekly newsletter called Cryptocurrency Weekly: http://cryptocurrencyweekly.comThanks, Julian Julian, I am not going to call you a liar... but I need to refresh your memory because, obviously, you have forgotten the truth... as posted by you here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=624017.msg7042831#msg7042831And I copy/paste: FULL DISCLOSURE: I often invest in coins from time to time and have recently tweeted the coins I own on my Twitter account @jyap. I liked that Pinkcoin did not have a premine and the transparency of the group when questions were brought up. I personally bought 1,000,000 Pinkcoins at market rate directly from @CryptoCayce since I liked the group's outreach plans and projects mentioned in their annoucement. (bolded by me). It matters because, as I had posted, you not only find this behavior acceptable, but even ethical and you openly disclose it. Do you know what the purchase in the open market of 1.5 million PINK would do to the price of the coin? Oh yes, you do. Investors on those coins are literally robbed on such off-market action. Now, regarding NAUT, what exactly is the nature of your collaboration here? Are you being paid or otherwise compensated or is it an at will kind of shake hands deal where you are not accountable for any results, lack thereof or deadlines? Are we to expect that NAUT would be mined at the Jumbucks pool for a fee triple the going rate in other pools? No euphemisms, please. And if you are going to issue a rebuttal of anything I post, at least check before what you yourself have publicly admitted to. There is absolutely nothing wrong with buying a coin at market price off exchange. Absolutely nothing at all. It is utterly ridiculous to take the position that coins should only be bought on exchanges. Utterly ridiculous. barabbas, go FUD yourself. It is called insider trading and people go to jail for it. In the real, regulated world, which is where NAUT wants to be. I will after you, purplejaguar, fuck yourself, ok? Oh goodie, I was hoping you'd respond And no that is not what is called insider trading, maybe you can look up that definition. In the real world perhaps what jyap did would be equivalent to trading stocks off exchange... which is perfectly legal to do. Oh look..AAPL execs sold stocks at a convenient time for them... INSIDER TRADING! THEY'RE GOING TO JAIL!! http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-execs-sold-143-million-worth-of-stock-2014-9barabbas... I always enjoy reading your posts...I have for months. They provide great entertainment value Your ignorance is not only evident but it's showing inevitable. When developers (or executives) trade within either themselves or others, it's called INSIDER TRADING. And you go to jail for it. Get it? And no, no executives or insiders in any capacity, are allowed to even sell to others, IN THE OPEN MARKETS, except during the very small, long pre-determined "window" in which they are allowed to do so, again, IN THE OPEN MARKET. Trying to teach your father how to make children will leave you exposed of your shortcomings 100 out of 100 times. But, apparently, you n want to be the object of everyone's -not just mine- jokes. If you believe I provide entertainment here, you should see the pay-per-view version... you'd have convulsions... |
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Not that he can be taken seriously since, of late, he even recommended buying BC, but isn't it just poetic that on the very day that BC hits the lows practically since launch -on its way to the total oblivion I predicted many months ago-, IconicExpert's just-launched coin shoots up 150%? I find it deliciously hilarious...
Just though everyone here would appreciate the irony.
Ta da!
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I have kept you guys informed as to all the information in which I have been given, there is no more information to be given. When there is I share it, every time, every bit of news I get, or catch wind of, I have brought forth here. If you guys don't want to listen or read up then that's on you. It is not my responsibility to teach you how to scroll your browser above the most recent post, or click the link that takes you to the last page(s). And again a new dev has been selected. (I believe this is post number 4 in which I have stated this, of course it could be more). https://twitter.com/Nautiluscoin/status/532549920285556737 <-- third time this has been linked to my knowledge. And if you'd like I can copy out of my personal messages here from jyap to again post that he said he was working on it. It will be a repost though. And that would probably the cause of thios sell off... "jyap", really? Is it the best BK can do? Julian ("jyap") is working, as far as I know, in his own coin, jumbucks or whatever it's name is, while picking up the crumbs left by the totally discredited Dan Metcalf and collecting money for "code reviews" that, apparently, is a very good way of making quick money these days. Julian was involved with the code review of PINK several months ago and participated in a behind the scenes deal with PINK's developers -where they sold him one million coins, supposedly at market prices-. This is obviously ok with both Julian and those developers who have unloaded many millions of coins off-market, which is amazing to me because it cannot be less ethic even by desiugn... nore more damaging for the coin. The relationship with PINK continues and Jumbucks just announces his agreement with the PINK devs to offer mining for Pink in the Jumbucks multi mine... for a price, of course, roughly the times the fees any other mining operation charges. Obviously this is quite alright with not just PINK's devs, but also Mr "jyap", BK's new developer. If "jyap" follows his modus operandi from the past, he would have engineered a behind the scenes, off-market deal with BK by which BK would have unloaded a considerable amount of NAUT at "favorable prices", if not free altogether, in exchange for those services. No transparency whatsoever. And still some post that this is NOT BK's coin, yes the one he doesn't make a single post no matter how deep the price crisis. That one. So now some of us have at least some ideas as to why the coin went all the way down to 5000 and change. Not much reason to celebrate, is there? Hello Barabbas, I happened to check the other day and I have approximately 2200 NAUT that I bought on the open market. 2000 NAUT was bought well over the current price. This is in an offline wallet. There is no "behind the scenes" deal with the Pinkcoin developers regarding the code review. I did the code review for Pinkcoin FREE because they asked nicely and because I wanted to set an example at the time in the crypto community. Perhaps I am strange in that I dislike scam coins? I reviewed the code and the blockchain and signed off on what I wrote. I bought 1 million Pinkcoin at the time at market rates (I believe around 22 satoshis) because I liked the coin and the honest direction they were taking. I have approximately 1.5 million Pinkcoin which is held in an offline wallet. I bought an addition 500k Pinkcoin off the markets, again well over the current price. Regarding the Pinkcoin addition to the Jumbucks multipool, Twitter user @abilliondoge started a campaign to get a Pinkcoin multipool: https://twitter.com/abilliondoge/status/526081558416216065I noticed this and came up with a win win solution. Outlined here, just today in a press release I wrote 2 days ago: http://www.altcointoday.com/jumbucks-releases-a-multicoin-multipool-with-launch-partner-pinkcoin/I have helped out a lot of coins over time and had countless discussions with coin developers and people in the crypto community without payment. Honestly, I don't even "need" crypto in my life. I have a full time job and career which pays fine. With NAUT I am picking up the pieces of an an abandoned PoS transition. I have already made a statement about this. Outlining all this is obviously a waste of my time. Baseless allegations against me is honestly also a waste of your time. You are just making yourself look bad. Seriously, dig your own hole. I try and help out coins that I like. I voluntarily run the NAUT block explorer: http://nautinsight.buddylabsapps.comHmm, let me see. Oh looks like I have been donated 200.709 NAUT over time by people I don't even know. I am also very public. Here you can read my profile: http://cryptoasian.com/jbs-jumbucks/I also made a coin which is now called Jumbucks. You can check out the web site: http://getjumbucks.comI run a free weekly newsletter called Cryptocurrency Weekly: http://cryptocurrencyweekly.comThanks, Julian Julian, I am not going to call you a liar... but I need to refresh your memory because, obviously, you have forgotten the truth... as posted by you here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=624017.msg7042831#msg7042831And I copy/paste: FULL DISCLOSURE: I often invest in coins from time to time and have recently tweeted the coins I own on my Twitter account @jyap. I liked that Pinkcoin did not have a premine and the transparency of the group when questions were brought up. I personally bought 1,000,000 Pinkcoins at market rate directly from @CryptoCayce since I liked the group's outreach plans and projects mentioned in their annoucement. (bolded by me). It matters because, as I had posted, you not only find this behavior acceptable, but even ethical and you openly disclose it. Do you know what the purchase in the open market of 1.5 million PINK would do to the price of the coin? Oh yes, you do. Investors on those coins are literally robbed on such off-market action. Now, regarding NAUT, what exactly is the nature of your collaboration here? Are you being paid or otherwise compensated or is it an at will kind of shake hands deal where you are not accountable for any results, lack thereof or deadlines? Are we to expect that NAUT would be mined at the Jumbucks pool for a fee triple the going rate in other pools? No euphemisms, please. And if you are going to issue a rebuttal of anything I post, at least check before what you yourself have publicly admitted to. There is absolutely nothing wrong with buying a coin at market price off exchange. Absolutely nothing at all. It is utterly ridiculous to take the position that coins should only be bought on exchanges. Utterly ridiculous. barabbas, go FUD yourself. It is called insider trading and people go to jail for it. In the real, regulated world, which is where NAUT wants to be. I will after you, purplejaguar, fuck yourself, ok? |
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I have kept you guys informed as to all the information in which I have been given, there is no more information to be given. When there is I share it, every time, every bit of news I get, or catch wind of, I have brought forth here. If you guys don't want to listen or read up then that's on you. It is not my responsibility to teach you how to scroll your browser above the most recent post, or click the link that takes you to the last page(s). And again a new dev has been selected. (I believe this is post number 4 in which I have stated this, of course it could be more). https://twitter.com/Nautiluscoin/status/532549920285556737 <-- third time this has been linked to my knowledge. And if you'd like I can copy out of my personal messages here from jyap to again post that he said he was working on it. It will be a repost though. And that would probably the cause of thios sell off... "jyap", really? Is it the best BK can do? Julian ("jyap") is working, as far as I know, in his own coin, jumbucks or whatever it's name is, while picking up the crumbs left by the totally discredited Dan Metcalf and collecting money for "code reviews" that, apparently, is a very good way of making quick money these days. Julian was involved with the code review of PINK several months ago and participated in a behind the scenes deal with PINK's developers -where they sold him one million coins, supposedly at market prices-. This is obviously ok with both Julian and those developers who have unloaded many millions of coins off-market, which is amazing to me because it cannot be less ethic even by desiugn... nore more damaging for the coin. The relationship with PINK continues and Jumbucks just announces his agreement with the PINK devs to offer mining for Pink in the Jumbucks multi mine... for a price, of course, roughly the times the fees any other mining operation charges. Obviously this is quite alright with not just PINK's devs, but also Mr "jyap", BK's new developer. If "jyap" follows his modus operandi from the past, he would have engineered a behind the scenes, off-market deal with BK by which BK would have unloaded a considerable amount of NAUT at "favorable prices", if not free altogether, in exchange for those services. No transparency whatsoever. And still some post that this is NOT BK's coin, yes the one he doesn't make a single post no matter how deep the price crisis. That one. So now some of us have at least some ideas as to why the coin went all the way down to 5000 and change. Not much reason to celebrate, is there? Hello Barabbas, I happened to check the other day and I have approximately 2200 NAUT that I bought on the open market. 2000 NAUT was bought well over the current price. This is in an offline wallet. There is no "behind the scenes" deal with the Pinkcoin developers regarding the code review. I did the code review for Pinkcoin FREE because they asked nicely and because I wanted to set an example at the time in the crypto community. Perhaps I am strange in that I dislike scam coins? I reviewed the code and the blockchain and signed off on what I wrote. I bought 1 million Pinkcoin at the time at market rates (I believe around 22 satoshis) because I liked the coin and the honest direction they were taking. I have approximately 1.5 million Pinkcoin which is held in an offline wallet. I bought an addition 500k Pinkcoin off the markets, again well over the current price. Regarding the Pinkcoin addition to the Jumbucks multipool, Twitter user @abilliondoge started a campaign to get a Pinkcoin multipool: https://twitter.com/abilliondoge/status/526081558416216065I noticed this and came up with a win win solution. Outlined here, just today in a press release I wrote 2 days ago: http://www.altcointoday.com/jumbucks-releases-a-multicoin-multipool-with-launch-partner-pinkcoin/I have helped out a lot of coins over time and had countless discussions with coin developers and people in the crypto community without payment. Honestly, I don't even "need" crypto in my life. I have a full time job and career which pays fine. With NAUT I am picking up the pieces of an an abandoned PoS transition. I have already made a statement about this. Outlining all this is obviously a waste of my time. Baseless allegations against me is honestly also a waste of your time. You are just making yourself look bad. Seriously, dig your own hole. I try and help out coins that I like. I voluntarily run the NAUT block explorer: http://nautinsight.buddylabsapps.comHmm, let me see. Oh looks like I have been donated 200.709 NAUT over time by people I don't even know. I am also very public. Here you can read my profile: http://cryptoasian.com/jbs-jumbucks/I also made a coin which is now called Jumbucks. You can check out the web site: http://getjumbucks.comI run a free weekly newsletter called Cryptocurrency Weekly: http://cryptocurrencyweekly.comThanks, Julian Julian, I am not going to call you a liar... but I need to refresh your memory because, obviously, you have forgotten the truth... as posted by you here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=624017.msg7042831#msg7042831And I copy/paste: FULL DISCLOSURE: I often invest in coins from time to time and have recently tweeted the coins I own on my Twitter account @jyap. I liked that Pinkcoin did not have a premine and the transparency of the group when questions were brought up. I personally bought 1,000,000 Pinkcoins at market rate directly from @CryptoCayce since I liked the group's outreach plans and projects mentioned in their annoucement. (bolded by me). It matters because, as I had posted, you not only find this behavior acceptable, but even ethical and you openly disclose it. Do you know what the purchase in the open market of 1.5 million PINK would do to the price of the coin? Oh yes, you do. Investors on those coins are literally robbed on such off-market action. Now, regarding NAUT, what exactly is the nature of your collaboration here? Are you being paid or otherwise compensated or is it an at will kind of shake hands deal where you are not accountable for any results, lack thereof or deadlines? Are we to expect that NAUT would be mined at the Jumbucks pool for a fee triple the going rate in other pools? No euphemisms, please. And if you are going to issue a rebuttal of anything I post, at least check before what you yourself have publicly admitted to. |
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