still like this coin/project but the lack of updates and any price action/chance at new exchanges is very disconcerning. i feel this is another one where the 'it's all about the tech' is good/taking over but .... that's all it is. trading wise it's gone to shit.  It's really hard talking to big exchanges or making deals with them this is why in investing it also requires looking at the "team" handling the coin. tech wise........ https://bismuth.cz/roadmap/ the road already ended. |
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I'd probably sell the 1080, 1070's and 1070 ti's to start and look at getting 23 5600 xt's for $270 each or 18 5700's for $350 each. Possibly 8 3080 if you want to mine non eth algo's.
3080.. remember free power, 100mhs ETH is very good.. when near full capacity, then start looking for more efficiency or higher hash rate algo coins. 1080 and below, sell ASAP, they are dead when 3080 hits the market. I would hesitate from buying 1 year old cards that will be outclassed by cards that will come out next month LOL 3080 vs big navi.. big navi a bit better at efficiency or big navi better at pricing, the profit for using the cards 1 month early justify the "price difference"?..if yes then buy nvidia. |
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I'm thinking of selling my now 2 gen old GPUs. I checked sold listing on eBay as of yesterday and averaged the selling prices for the last few days.
It looks like the going rates are better than I thought. (I would never pay the below prices myself) Here's a breakdown of what I have that combined does around 2,100 MH/s on ETH:
25 1080Ti @ $380 = $9,500
1 1080 @ $300 = $300
14 1070Ti @ $260 = $3,640
16 1070 @ $194 = $3,104
So a grand total of $16,544 less eBay 10% = $14,890. But a more realistic net is probably around $10k
2,100 MH/s is about 23 3080 GPUs (assuming 90 MH/s) @ $699 = $16,077
My current mix of 1000 series cards consume right around 8,000 watts
23 3080's would drop that almost in half to 4,600 watts (assuming 200 watts per GPU)
I guess another option would be to pickup 40 5700s @ $350 = $14,000
The 5700s would consume 5,200 watts (assuming 130 watts per GPU)
My power is essentially free since I have 50kW worth of solar panels that produce enough kWh to keep the mining rigs running 24/7.
Dump my 1000 series cards while they still have some value, or just keep mining with them until they die? What would you do?
free power means you need to have the highest hashrate as possible. x2 of your current hash rate is x2 profit the earlier you start mining with newer cards the earlier they ROI. keep them (old cards) running while adding newer cards, as you reach the maximum electrical capacity sell the older cards- preferably during ETH pumps like if it pumps to 500, buyers will appear hehe. will not recommend cards since 3080 is not out yet and we have not seen more info about it. besides running those many gpus i believe you already have an insight for your next ideal setup. |
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If there is no real consensus for this then it is a non-issue as far as I am concerned. Personally I just do not understand why anybody would be in favour of (or advocating for) redenomination when it comes to Dash because there is no real need to do it with nothing clear about what is to gain from it. If in the future there is a need to consider this it makes sense to discuss all options but right now there is no need, no case and no consensus to go as far as redenomination. It would need to go through a decision proposal. Outcome would be difficult to guess. This is not about masternode operators / masternode owners being able to call themselves millionaires in Dash.
Personally i am against redenomination. For some reason it comes off as very manipulative and seems to challenge the immutable character of cryptocurrency.
Marketcap = Circulating Supply x Price
Current situation
Dash : 9,700,739 DASH Circulating Supply & Price : $75.78
Marketcap : $735,122,001
Mined : 9,700,739 DASH / 18,900,000 DASH x 100 = 51%
Three decimals shifting (1 OLD DASH = 1000 NEW DASH)
Dash : 9,700,739,000 DASH Circulating Supply & Price : $0,07578
Marketcap : $735,122,001
Mined : 9,700,739,000 DASH / 18,900,000 DASH x 100 = 51,326% 1 old dash = 1000 new dash....how about 1000 new dash become a masternode too? masternode instaminers profit down?---> will not pass LOL you see they rather re denominate than re masternode. comparing % mined?
17,692,702 XMR / 18,400,000 XMR x 100 = 96,16% of Monero mined
9,699,159 DASH / 18,900,000 Dash x 100 = 51,31% of Dash mined
18,484,581 BTC / 21,000,000 BTC x 100 = 88,02% of Bitcoin mined
remember dash original supply? 84 million and reduced to 18.9 million hehe after millions were instamined and POS in masternodes...yeah 51.31% dash mined but most coins that will come out are masternode rewards..let that sink in  |
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we are the pilots of our own gpus, like pilots of fighter planes. sometimes you can make a good killing with cheaper gpu, sometimes you can make a killing with better gpus. my 390s and 480s were defeated in profit by my measly core2quad processors mining pascal coin. I even remember nvidia miners watching in the sidelines, while amd miners are happily mining ETH since amd users got the edge at that time ...280x's hehe what you all are comparing is ETH, again.. we all got out there mining many coins. nvidia still has more options to mine, more options = more opportunity for profit. more opportunity for profit = more chances of ROI. you ROI = you don't care if the GPU is expensive I'm not saying the most powerful card is the answer because of "density", most powerful and most expensive gpus should meet the "criteria" for it to be used for "density purposes" (example 280x is better to own than 290x at that time....and 1080ti is best to own in its time too) and there's..personal preference, i'll repeat.. if you think you can ROI it, then why not? here is another example mining profits in 2019 is down..who is buying tons of radeon vii? hehe now they refresh newegg page several times daily LOL. if bull market is coming with full force then we ROI all our gpus be it 5700xt or 3090. remember when home miners cannot max out their mining rooms because rx 470 4gb? LOL. |
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miner software optimization might get 3090 to 150mhs...hopefully  No, Eth is memory bound, 3080 and 3090 have the same memory type and speed so the minor difference we will see would be due to 320 vs 384bit bus width. And this isnt on-die HBM, dont expect 90+ on anything. 1080 is 35mhs 1080ti is 50mhs that's 42.8% difference between 1080 and 1080ti, both gddr5x Umm ... the 1080 was a GP 104 with 256bit bus width. The 1080ti was a GP102 with 352 bit bus width, thats where the hash increase is coming from. That, and better binned memory that can clock higher. yeah, that means even 3080 and 3090 both have the same type of vram. other things can make the the other (3090) more faster than 3080, they have different bus width too. I just said both have gddr5x but the other one is 42% faster, the statement itself implies that there are other factors too. well you just have to read english more buddy. about "simple mining", i'm using windows 7, i heard there are issues with windows 10 about windows reserving 1gb of vram so if your gpu is 8gb, mining will be 7gb effective. with 24gb or cards with 16gb and above (amd and nvidia future cards). that won't be an issue any more, maybe i'll do windows 10 mining starting year 2023-25 hehe |
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1390 more to set up
i'll get along with your analogy. $ 1390 more.. for people who think 4 card is a hell lot more easier to manage than 12 card rig? for people who are thinking of higher resell value? for people who think they can have more coins to mine(nvidia has more options than amd)? is 1390 more worth it?.. for me yes...I was able to travel the previous years while those rigs are mining hehe |
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miner software optimization might get 3090 to 150mhs...hopefully No, Eth is memory bound, 3080 and 3090 have the same memory type and speed so the minor difference we will see would be due to 320 vs 384bit bus width. And this isnt on-die HBM, dont expect 90+ on anything. 1080 is 35mhs 1080ti is 50mhs that's 42.8% difference between 1080 and 1080ti, both gddr5x 3080 is 100mhs (there is a post that says 115mhs at 300w) if you do the math of adding 42% of 3080 to 100mhs that's 142mhs. now nvidia says 3090 as titan like(they phased out titan, this is the new titan), if 3080ti is not released yet, then 3090 is better than 3080ti if 3090 is better than 3080ti, then 150mhs is not impossible. XD you cannot add 42% and say "yes thats the hashrate" XD And a screenshot say nothing. Wait i make a screenshot with 2000mh hashrate for the 3070, you believe this? you will see, 3080 nothing more than 70mh. In the past, much people say AMD RX5700 will reach 70 or 80 mh, but what is the fact? LOL dude, 1080 and 1080ti are old hehehe ... screenshots are for the ones who didn't see the hashrate yet  LOL dude read my post again. I edited. I know that, and what will you say me with your sentense? You say there is screenshot with 115mh. Where? There is screenshot from a table. So i make screenshot from a table, where i write 2000mh per card, you believe this? there are already two sources pointing to ~100mhs anyway for your sake here is a 1080 and 1080ti comparison  anyway my point is about 150mhs "possibility" from gddr5x to 6 to 6x. that's two vram generation leaps. understand the analogy. then you will understand why it is a "possibility" unless you already bought a lot of 5700xt already hehehe
Example:
2080ti 616 GBps can do 52mh
RTX 3070 512 GBps are around 83% from 2080ti so hashrate 43mh but i think the 30x0 is a bit faster so it can do 45mh
RTX 3080 760 Gbps are around 123 from 2080ti so hashrate 63mh but i think the 30x0 is a bit faster so it can do 65mh
no wonder...you still think that 2080ti is 52mh (probably taken from whattomine) while my 1080ti is 50.5 mhs LOL . i can smell AMD cards around you hehehe there is no need for fanboi-ism for miners...actually i really want the hbm2e from amd for my next upgrade. |
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miner software optimization might get 3090 to 150mhs...hopefully No, Eth is memory bound, 3080 and 3090 have the same memory type and speed so the minor difference we will see would be due to 320 vs 384bit bus width. And this isnt on-die HBM, dont expect 90+ on anything. 1080 is 35mhs 1080ti is 50mhs that's 42.8% difference between 1080 and 1080ti, both gddr5x 3080 is 100mhs (there is a post that says 115mhs at 300w) if you do the math of adding 42% of 3080 to 100mhs that's 142mhs. now nvidia says 3090 as titan like(they phased out titan, this is the new titan), if 3080ti is not released yet, then 3090 is better than 3080ti if 3090 is better than 3080ti, then 150mhs is not impossible. XD you cannot add 42% and say "yes thats the hashrate" XD And a screenshot say nothing. Wait i make a screenshot with 2000mh hashrate for the 3070, you believe this? you will see, 3080 nothing more than 70mh. In the past, much people say AMD RX5700 will reach 70 or 80 mh, but what is the fact? LOL dude, 1080 and 1080ti are old hehehe ... screenshots are for the ones who didn't see the hashrate yet |
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miner software optimization might get 3090 to 150mhs...hopefully No, Eth is memory bound, 3080 and 3090 have the same memory type and speed so the minor difference we will see would be due to 320 vs 384bit bus width. And this isnt on-die HBM, dont expect 90+ on anything. 1080 is 35mhs 1080ti is 50mhs that's 42.8% difference between 1080 and 1080ti, both gddr5x 3080 is 100mhs (there is a post that says 115mhs at 300w) if you do the math of adding 42% of 3080 to 100mhs that's 142mhs. now nvidia says 3090 as titan like(they phased out titan, this is the new titan), if 3080ti is not released yet, then 3090 is better than 3080ti if 3090 is better than 3080ti, then 150mhs is not impossible. |
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miner software optimization might get 3090 to 150mhs...hopefully I pressed my Shenzen source for target selling price for 3090 but no news yet, however my local supplier hinted likely above 1k. Hmmmmm..... 3090 is the only gpu that is useful for personal use (best experience with the latest tech). 4k gaming 120 - 144 fps partnered with 32in 4k 120/144hz monitor (fps and hz in sync). huge monitors like around 43in more or less (latest huge monitors are in 60hz refresh rate currently), huge monitors needs 8k to be an eye candy, 3090 is 60fps at 8k. for me, good mining density starts with 1 is to 3...3 low end cards vs 1 high end card, like 3x 3090 = 9x 3070. 1 is to 2.5x is a hard choice, you might still get the 3x or more in some coins hehe. |
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miner software optimization might get 3090 to 150mhs...hopefully |
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 "process takes up to one hour" these one gives me the LOLs.. we are dealing with computers here not carburetors. they need an hour to malware your PC so they can steal. I believe they are more interested in your wallets and exchange accounts than your daily mining earnings hehe anyway trezor 1 is cheaper than it is years ago, get one or a pack or any hardware wallets out there. it can take only one hack to kick you out of the crypto game. |
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when are they planning to release those hbm2e? when the party is over? LOL. |
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I'm watching hbm2e vrams from amd. remember radeon vii 100mhs? it is going for 150mhs..at ~200mhs and it blows everyone out of their seats hehe, nvidia killer here at least for mining. older tech have a very high probabilty almost 100% outclassed by newer/better tech, gddr6x-->no miner optimizations yet. as for mining rig density 1 is to 3 is a very good ratio against lower end cards. even if the power consumption is equal, for example (1card)150mhs at 300 watts vs (3card) 150mhs at 300 watts. at 1 is to 4 ratio, it is a no brainer, i'm all in hehe |
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Whats the vram? Gddr6 or hbm2e?
Last I heard 3080 does 115 mh/s on eth with 300 watts., if the amd 6xxx series does not come with hbm2 then it might be a problem for amd on the mining segment. That's still fresh, miner software and driver optimizations might squeeze more hashes out of that. Mining rig density works best if a card is more efficient even if not at a very significant level but as long as the hashrate is almost tripled. Like around 150 mhs for 270watts vs 150mhs for 300 watts of 5700xt(3x). If hbm2e can pull off 150mhs at 230watts or better then we have a winner here. Fury, nano and radeon vii "hbm" did not dissapoint. I have a high expectation to this tech....is it a threadripper to ryzen 9 success? We will see. 16gb is just about right, will not disappoint for about 3 years minimum. |
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Whats the vram? Gddr6 or hbm2e?
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I think I will get an rtx 3090 to game, have as a work workstation, and mine at nights to keep the house warm in winter time.
Those that bought 2080 ti to mine with is just plain dumb due to only 11 mb vram and huge price tag.
However the 3090 probably wont' be as bad b/c it has 24mb vram is HUGE! compared to the 11 VRAM on 2080 ti. You can potentially mine complex algos like Grin that gives some advantage to those with Big Vram. However Grin hype had faded and profits not all that great with Grin. But i think it's a good long term hold. 3090 is a good card to make you feel like you got a ferrari and geek out on.
i'll probably get a 3080 as well. These seems to be a good balance for those looking to build dense rigs, less cards to maintain. This has a tad better memory over the 3070. Just one on launch till we see more mining performance.
3070 rtx sounds pretty awesome also if you plan to go all in on mining and buy tons of video cards.
Nowadays I just mine for hobby and try to find good colo's that can try to work with gpu miners. Most colo's hate gpus and only want to work with asics.
Overall you can't go too wrong with Nvidia. All the nvidia cards 10 series 20 series are still mining today whereas those with rx570/rx580 dropped tons of value and big farms had to shut down rigs and sell off their cards, they were the ones left holdings the heavy bags of overpriced outdated gpus. Dont' make that same mistake. All because they rather save a few bucks on the initial cost and weren't thinking about long term play. They were thinking of the short term current profitability of that time..
It's safe to say if you get an nvidia 3000 series you will be mining them for at least 3 years minimum. 10 series been mining for 4 years+ still. Asics sort of depressing to see it only mine for 1 year and than you gota figure out how to recycle them.
Nvidia's may not roi as fast as AMD but overall nvidia is a lot more fun to mine with and more algos and tends to have a longer mining lifecycle especially if you have 8 cent electric or better.
big vram mining advantage like grin, is a gamble might be worth it or not, a new coin or an algo change might utilize it 24gb advantage. but if the gamble worked you're going to be a happy guy hehe but overall nvidia is a lot more fun to mine with and more algos I think this part is the one getting fpga'd. - "GPU core intensive algos" GPU mining with ETH showed that GPU's can withstand asics and fpgas with "memory technology", core reliant algos do not. Watch the VRAM tech in both AMD and NVIDIA, that's is the key if you still want to GPU mine for the coming years hehe for me 3090 is a good personal rig gpu, if you manage to ROI even half the price with mining- you are still a winner. I don't care if a card needs 3 or even 4 pcie lanes and consumes 400-500watts, as long as it is not 2 cards that sli or crossfire where it chokes the card above lol (I don't do liquid cooling btw). 3090 want to test my 3 card - 1300w psu rig setup, 3080 is still a sure thing for this config, maybe a 3090 model that is not a factory overclock from a 3rd party manufacturer might not be a power hog to breach my 1300w 3 card setup, they make product line up for a specific model i.e. 3090 and call them 3090 ultra, 3090 basic or 3090 advance (clocks differ). I like mining rig density too. |
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I don't think the next gen gear will be a lot better for efficiency.
The 5600xt can do 85 watts and 40mh . In know that is the software number.
But I think a 85 watt card reading 75mh for the software number is further off then you think.
The bump from the 5600xt 's 85w-40mh will be 20-25% tops
so the 6600xt will do 85w-50mh which does not concern me much
Did a quick search 5600 xt was already at 7nm and next gen is still 7nm, so not much. You might be right. The efficiency wars will be set in gddr6 vs hbm2e for amd. Nvidia however is moving from 12nm to 8nm...smaller nm always means efficiency at a significant level. I didn't watch how's the 4gb cards are doing, but my opinion was biased for "almost full vram" when the time when 280x 3gb was almost full but still mining, there was something vram size related that brings the hashrate down due to it becoming "almost full". |
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thanks for all the advice...its a cost game at the end of day and with vega56 being 295 will prob end up buying them.
IMHO, better to invest in the 5600/5700XT because better resale value, BIOS mod gives good results, good power/hash ratio While cost game is important factor, stable rig without any babysitting, lights out operation and can be placed in remote DC/warehouse etc. the 5x00 is worth it. BBT's latest video on 5600XT seems to deliver best performance - check it out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MghxzsrDFJ4Best Bang for the Buck Mining GPU for Ethereum 5600XT 6GB DDR6
Posted on 1st Sept 2020LOL 6gb? people just got disqualified with their 4gb cards and then they just moved to the second base-6gb? plus add the upcoming more powerful/efficient upcoming gpus, these cards will be kicked out of the game very soon. "bang for the buck" because the next bang, they'll get banged out of ETH mining and probably other coins too...the saying "you get what you pay for" applies to this one. Actually, I have to correct you. 4GB cards still haven't been "disqualified" as current ETH DAG is 3.81GB and you can mine with 4GB until end of year. And no, these "6GB" cards will not get "kicked out of the game very soon" as ETH DAG will only reach 6GB in around 4 years (around March if you go by https://investoon.com/tools/dag_size) and that is IF ETH does NOT move to PoS until that time, which it probably will. okay, but moore's law coming for gpus (new gens) before the end of the year. all the "efficiency" the holy grail seekers out there, just wait and see hehe |
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