These are moments of a historical period being posted and shared therefore it is interesting to read about what was going on back there. I had no idea you were scammed back then but I do have recollections of reading some of your feedbacks for account buyers. Now I understand why you did it.

One of the problems with that rby account at the moment is that I created a scam accusation for Rubycoin years ago, for one reason or another I did not tag it probably because I forgot or was busy looking around for other scams. Several years later the buyer purchased it because it did not any have any red tags from DT members and it could used for signature campaigns therefore had I tagged it back in 2019 it most probably would never have been put up for sale and there would never have been a buyer or a seller.

Whether the current owner/operator of the rby account is disruptive (or not) did not form my basis of the negative feedback. The rby account was behind the Rubycoin scam and for that reason the account should have been tagged when I created the scam accusation in 2019. When I noticed my error I decided to tag for that scam.

I have no interest if the current owner/operator of the rby account is contributing positively or not, all that matters to me is that the rby account was used for the Rubycoin scam and deserves a tag. What does not help the current owner/operator is that he is lying when he claims he miraculously remembered post-Covid19 that he had a forum account and because of nostalgia decided to reactivate it. Instead of owning up to having multiple accounts he has gone down the opposite route.

You are posting to an account buyer/seller who is probably using multiple accounts enrolled on signature campaigns. Apart from maybe a thread or post here and there where he demonstrates he is not exactly a low quality poster (and that is subjective), it is all a smokescreen designed for misdirection just in the event any of his accounts gets caught out.

It happens with other account buyers too because all they are interested in is meeting their posting quota for their signature campaigns. He really does not have any interest in Satoshi or anything else beyond signature campaigns enrolment.  

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Where do you think we should draw the line with tagging accounts that have been purchased as far as amnesty is concerned? Some have cited the date of the introduction of the feedback system others have said other things. I would like to read your views.

Duelbits is an international brand that has a reputation for being an honest company therefore the idea or notion that you could were either scamming or selectively scamming the OP is and was absurd based on the evidence the OP provided.

I am extremely please to see this situation resolved after you were given enough time to run through all your checks after the OP finally submitted his new documentation.

Thank you for the update.

I created this thread in the global language board regarding a scam that seems to be primarily targeting Russian language speakers. If any native Russian language speaker has time to translate the thread it might help some people avoid falling in to the trap and becoming victims.


I will ask for this thread to be translated for the Russian local board




Here is a story in the WKYUFM website that caught my eye and considering the scale of the scam I thought it deserved to be posted as a warning to others, especially to the forum members who post primarily in the Russian language boards.

There is a lot of information in the article related to the fake company, fake trading charts on a fake website, the hijacking of the name of a real company, fake linked in profiles and photographs of team members that were taken from  Shutterstock. It also has part of the investigation that takes the team to the United Kingdom to search for the elusive operators of SpireBit only to discover the name and address on the scammers spirebit.com website belongs to a completely unrelated company and director.




I would like keep this post related to the specific point in the news article about SpireBit and their claims to be a crypto investment company but in reality they are a scam.

They lure vulnerable victims via Instagram then ask to chat on Telegram. Then under the guise of friendship and advice in Russian they win the confidence and trust of their victims, enough to at least get them to send their KYC in order to open an account at SpireBit. The victims then send $500 from their bank straight via transfer directly to an account on crypto.com (that has been newly opened).

After creating a fake trading/investment chart on their website which purports to show the invest increasing the victim is duped in to sending more funds and then more and that is how it continues until the victim has no more funds to send or tries to withdraw their funds.

It seems they are seeking to initiate contact with older people who are living in the United States but were originally born in what was the former Soviet Union therefore they are targeting a certain locale and age demographic.

They contact victims by befriending them while typing and then speaking to them in Russian. In the case of the victim mentioned in the WKUFM website, he lost his life savings which were at $340,000. It all started off with a $500 investment and a fake website which showed his investment had nearly doubled within a few weeks. He was then manipulated by who he thought was his new found friend "Pavel" who talked the victim in to sending his life savings over a short period of time.

According to the news article the scammers received their funds from the account the victim was using at crypto.com. The victim sent money, converted it to which currency the scammers told him and he sent to the various wallets the scammers instructed.

When the investigators contacted all five of the companies mentioned as partners on their website, all five denied they were in any capacity at all connected or associated with the SpireBit scammers.

I have asked for this thread to be translated for the Russian local board




Here is a story in the WKYUFM website that caught my eye and considering the scale of the scam I thought it deserved to be posted as a warning to others, especially to the forum members who post primarily in the Russian language boards.

There is a lot of information in the article related to the fake company, fake trading charts on a fake website, the hijacking of the name of a real company, fake linked in profiles and photographs of team members that were taken from  Shutterstock. It also has part of the investigation that takes the team to the United Kingdom to search for the elusive operators of SpireBit only to discover the name and address on the scammers spirebit.com website belongs to a completely unrelated company and director.




I would like keep this post related to the specific point in the news article about SpireBit and their claims to be a crypto investment company but in reality they are a scam.

They lure vulnerable victims via Instagram then ask to chat on Telegram. Then under the guise of friendship and advice in Russian they win the confidence and trust of their victims, enough to at least get them to send their KYC in order to open an account at SpireBit. The victims then send $500 from their bank straight via transfer directly to an account on crypto.com (that has been newly opened).

After creating a fake trading/investment chart on their website which purports to show the invest increasing the victim is duped in to sending more funds and then more and that is how it continues until the victim has no more funds to send or tries to withdraw their funds.

It seems they are seeking to initiate contact with older people who are living in the United States but were originally born in what was the former Soviet Union therefore they are targeting a certain locale and age demographic.

They contact victims by befriending them while typing and then speaking to them in Russian. In the case of the victim mentioned in the WKUFM website, he lost his life savings which were at $340,000. It all started off with a $500 investment and a fake website which showed his investment had nearly doubled within a few weeks. He was then manipulated by who he thought was his new found friend "Pavel" who talked the victim in to sending his life savings over a short period of time.

According to the news article the scammers received their funds from the account the victim was using at crypto.com. The victim sent money, converted it to which currency the scammers told him and he sent to the various wallets the scammers instructed.

When the investigators contacted all five of the companies mentioned as partners on their website, all five denied they were in any capacity at all connected or associated with the SpireBit scammers.

This is quite a remarkable reason (excuse) for you to give. I have never read nostalgia given as an excuse for trying to hide account trading before.

Nostalgic value? That is a new excuse to add to the list of excuses given by account traders involving their brothers, sisters, uncles, aunties, mums and dads along with friends and neighbours as they deny account trading. Quite frequently various excuses are concocted but you have taken it to a new level by stating you woke the rby account up from hibernation because it has some sort of nostalgic value.

In a different thread:
Reading about how you opted to go through some miraculous manoeuvres to retrieve the rby account and add to that the previous charity comment and all because miraculously after Covid-19 you remembered you had a forum account. I noted you have added the caveat in advance of scrutiny (in the hope it not being used against you) that you logged in to forum to change the email address because the alleged group email password was not working but the alleged group forum password was working. That trick will not work.

What you have stated is that after Covid-19 you (for reasons not mentioned) remembered you had a forum account and you decided to use that same tainted rby account from the Rubycoin scam (that you claim had been used by multiple people) because it had nostalgic value. And throw in the comment you made that you would give things to charity rather than discard them easily be it property or whatever but you discarded huge swathes of posts quite easily.

I have to say, it is good to see new excuses being presented but not many will believe that nostalgic value was the real reason you woke the rby account up from hibernation.

In your opinion do you think the neutrality of a campaign manager will be called in to question if he is going to be part of a group of trusted users that will pass judgement on a casino/website that employ him and pay him?

Also, who will elect and/or select these trusted users you refer to? What criteria would be required to either be nominated or eliminated from applying to join this group of trusted users?

No, I do not think it is a good idea because if somehow consensus was reached, the moment the element of money/tip is brought in to the equation it virtually nullifies any possible legitimacy the group of trusted users might have had.

If DT members cannot reach consensus on simple issues they should not be joining a group of their own that has no scrutiny and their judgements will forever be associated with the name of this forum. No, I do not think it is a good idea.

I would say that if such an idea of group of trusted users went ahead the corruption would be inevitable, it would simply be just a matter of time before allegations of corruption started making rounds.

As you have correctly stated, this thread should be used to discuss either the Rubycoin scam or the rby account (regardless of who the current owner/operator of the account is). It should not have to be said because it is the obvious course of action however I will say it, those who have issues unrelated to this thread should start their own threads to discuss matters they are concerned with or would like to discuss.


The whole of your post is very interesting, I will come back to the points to address later but I have to say I never knew about the 1 BTC bounty  

Interesting. I was posting about this scam years ago and here you are saying you have a Rubycoin wallet. Even if the current operator manages to sign a known address from the original creator of the rby account what would it prove? It is highly unlikely he will manage to do it regardless.

I agree, Whirlwind should make a decision in cases such as these and set a precedent but all the while keeping the option open for exceptional circumstances. This matter (it appears) is not an exceptional circumstance in their view otherwise Whirlwind would probably have settled it by now.

That is about it with not much more to add because he lost his private key of his own volition no matter what he alleges happened and to cover that aspect Whirlwind have suggested community consensus.

Maybe stormbounty should consider accepting the loss and move forward with his life.

I am genuinely surprised you made that comment.

If the maths are correct around 4 days ago you signed a message to prove you have access to the private key of the address you sent them funds from but unfortunately that proof along with the Letter of Guarantee does not mean much in the context of you losing your private key.

I (along with other members) have already stated Whirlwind should have sent you an automated email to inform they have received your email and without much prompting they have stated they will do that in future therefore it seems they have chosen to ignore your emails. Also, after re-reading some posts it seems Whirlwind have given up on you as far back as 29th June 2023.

Going by this statement from them, I would advise you that as far as I am concerned you should not expect Whirlwind to give you any form of assistance because of your incompetence.

Whirlwind made it clear they would intervene and make a payment to you based on community consensus therefore I will offer my opinion by saying Whirlwind should not be making a payment to you because you lost your private key.

Other members can express their own opinions.

Whirlwind said around 4 days ago that they hold you responsible for your actions therefore there is nothing to discuss but they have taken onboard the advice of members and will respond to all emails regardless of the issue.

You said in a previous reply you would contact minerjones. Have you presented your case to him?

Yes his posting style has already been picked up by nutildah, Poker Player, lovesmayfamilis, myself and some others in the Tagging Accounts Sellers And Tagging Traded/Sold/Bought Accounts thread. For those of us who read the posts there (and elsewhere) had no doubt that the current rby account operator is definitely not the creator of the account.

He is stuck between a rock and a hard place because if he were to remain adamant he was the original account creator, tags would be placed on the basis of him lying and/or because of the fact he scammed 2 BTC for undelivered work. However, if he were to claim he purchased the account it would automatically mean receiving tags for account trading.

He had to make a choice and he chose to pretend he is the creator of the Rubycoin scam and with that he admitted he has stolen 2 BTC from a client.

The person currently operating the rby account has already claimed they are the creator and original owner of the rby account. In other words by default they are claiming they are the person known as Kassado who is a technical coder who created Rubycoin.

Why did I not reply to this earlier? The football season is over, the new season has yet to begin but the previous season feels as though it ended years ago. I eagerly await for the new season to start. The Premier League, Champions League, FA Cup, League Cup and the European leagues will be coming soon  

Imagine if Chelsea signed Haaland instead of Lukaku, that alone would have almost guaranteed a top top 4 league position at the end of the season. Now Chelsea do not want him, Inter Milan cannot afford him so want to send him back to Chelsea rather than buy him therefore he could easily end up in the Saudi Pro League.

If Buffon, De Gea, Lukaku and a few other famous faces from European football join Ronaldo, N'Golo Kante, Edouard Mendy, Koulibaly, Neves and Benzema it will only bring more light on to the Saudi Pro League. With the phenomenal amount of money involved it seems they will bankroll their way becoming an elite league within a short space of time.

stormbounty apart from posting here with impeccable regularity not always addressing questions put to you, try to answer this one:

Apart from posting here do you have any other plans related to your funds not being accessible because you lost your private key? For example, will you be contacting minerjones as Whirlwind suggested? The option is available for you in order to ask him to reimburse you if he concludes you were correct in your assumption about being scammed by Whirlwind.

Here is the original scam accusation thread I created in January 2019, that was at a time when I was very active in the Scam Accusations boards: SCAM: [RBY] Rubycoin

This thread has been created to allow all matters related to the rby account being discussed here because a different thread related to discussing generalised Tagging Accounts Sellers And Tagging Traded/Sold/Bought Accounts is being taken taken off-topic by issues related to the rby account.

Feel free to post here in the uncensored thread.

edited: the original first part of this post will be posted next

Yes going all the way back to January 2019 I created a scam accusation about the rby scammer. I cannot recall why I did not tag the account, I simply cannot work out why I did not tag.

Well, though it would be good for the current rby account operator to explain their actions (in the buying/selling process when they purchased the rby account), I expect to hear very little from them now that the account has been tagged by multiple members.

For the current rby account, there is a sense of irony that the account is enrolled in the Sinbad.io signature campaign

The laughable part in that post is that somehow the Bitcoin creator (Satoshi) and the Rubycoin creator (rby) have been mentioned in the same sentence


So it is confirmed, the current owner/operator of the rby account claims to be the original creator of the account.

The current owner/operator of the rby account has already claimed in a post I quoted above that they are the original creator of the account, therefore we have that statement now. They have made it clear they claim are the original owner/creator of the rby account. I think we all agree that claim is absolute nonsense.

From this point forward, all posts related to the "rby" account or the Rubycoin scam in this thread will be deleted as we have already gone off-topic for too long. Feel free to continue the discussion regarding all matters related to the rby account in the newly created uncensored thread: The curious case of forum member: rby (of the Rubycoin scam)

First of all, let it be repeated that this is a self-inflicted problem which you created. You created all this mess for yourself because you were incompetent when you mixed your funds.

Your incompetence when you closed the wrong tabs on your browsers have made this process extremely difficult for Whirlwind to deal with because they probably do not want to set a precedent for others to follow especially if in future other Letters of Guarantees could be presented showing/claiming ownership for a transaction they already manually put through on the basis of customers claiming they lost their private keys.

Today could have been the 100th day since you created the problem for yourself by opening multiple browsers with multiple tabs before getting mixed-up when you copy/pasted and closed the wrong tabs. From the perspective of Whirlwind and probably most members here it is irrelevant how many days passed by since your self-made problems. You made a mistake and you were liable for your error and based on your error Whirlwind are not liable to refund you.

Having said that, around 3 days ago you managed to sign an address which was used to send funds to Whirlwind from. Still, maybe they will make an exception in this case even though they are under no obligation to do so because you lost your private key of your own volition.

Whirlwind even offered you the opportunity to go directly to the escrow holding $40,000 (belonging to Whirlwind) if you feel you are being treated unfairly. Have you contacted minerjones to raise a complaint or will you wait for Whirlwind to come to a decision?

Well, as far as customer services of any brand or company is concerned, they should send out an acknowledgement email, I think that was already mentioned by more than one member but Whirlwind have explained why they did not send you by email before.

It is possible there may be some sympathy towards you by some members but you are flooding the thread with your issue. Kindly stop flooding this thread and instead have some patience in allowing Whirlwind to deal with the problem you find yourself in. Now you have signed a message using the associated address they will contact you based on that new information.

If you feel the need to express your concerns regarding what you deem to be the lack of customer services you have received from Whirlwind, please refrain from flooding this thread.

In this case and in the context of the reply, I agree the expectations he has are over reaching.

Thank you for highlighting this lovesmayfamilis.

Well, I have no idea if nutildah was talking specifically about the rby account but you are right about this thread. It was long overdue but after reading nonsense from rby in the thread you referenced, I decided to create the thread in order to have a generalised discussion about account trading.

Anybody can correct me if I am wrong but it seems he is saying with great conviction (and for reasons not yet fully known) words to the effect of: Someone who owns multiple accounts should not be considered for scrutiny simply because although it is established they control the accounts until/unless they have scammed.

And if it were a simple case of the rby account simply keeping a low profile and making enough posts to reach signature campaign payment quote then you would not have even looked at their profile. The rby account is yet another that has unilaterally by their own volition brought an unwanted and unnecessary spotlight to themselves.

Having said that do we know for sure who nutildah was referring to?

I agree, even it were a simple email from Whirlwind to acknowledge receipt with a short message, it would look better on their part and to be fair that would be the minimum you could expect from a customer services department of any website. Also, as can be seen using this case as an example, it would demonstrate they have responded rather than leave the sender not knowing if the email was received or not.

Rightly or otherwise maybe part of the reason Whirlwind did not reply was because the content of the emails (which they received) had some rather ludicrous allegations and comments included.

I will continue replying and addressing the key posts in the this thread but as they get too long, I post using small numbers. Having said that I decided to make this post before continuing with matters related specifically to this thread because I cannot be the only one reading these replies from PytagoraZ and wondering why he is very strong in advocating alt-accounts (which may or may not be cheating in signature campaigns and bounties) should not be tagged on the basis they have not scammed.

PytagoraZ has been clear (apart from once in what appears to be a typing error) that there is a distinction between scammers and alt-accounts. I am not disputing that not all alt-accounts are scammers but a member such as PytagoraZ who has been registered in the forum for around 24 days is bringing attention to himself as his motives could be questioned. After all, he seems to know a lot about this forum in a space of the days he has been registered.

Furthermore, he has clearly stated his friends do not have alt-accounts and has already laid down what can be seen by some as the information as protection in case an error of judgement happened on his part (such using a known address or merit abuse or email share etc) because he already covered most of that in his first post in this thread by alluding to account connections and if any such account was connected in future he has a case to cite this thread a reference in that he already stated shared address and said there is an element of fear his friends have when using this forum to the extent they dare not enter yet somehow share posted addresses.

Add to that everything else you can deduce by reading between the lines it makes it clear PytagoraZ is not the newbie he claims to be who somehow frequently switches from the highly knowledgable to the innocent buffoon within the space of a few posts.

For those reasons, if PytagoraZ has nothing constructive to add to this thread I advise him to stop posting here and will also state that if their main motive was to create an account in order to seek further rank for using in future signature campaigns (possibly alongside other accounts), then this PytagoraZ account has already been brought to the attention of some for users who just may keep an eye on it for future reference.

As said earlier, I have been asked some questions by respected members and I intend to answer them as best I can but that will happen in the next post.