I gave up on reading about Cryptopia a long time ago because it was 99% about what Grant Thornton were putting out for public consumption. I was not interested after their first few reports therefore cannot be sure if they did ask Binance to freeze funds but this is what the Hacked Assets part of the report stated: We continue to work with the New Zealand Police and international authorities as they work to determine the source of the January 2019 hack. Our obligation is to seek recoveries for stakeholders’ benefit. As previously reported, we have filed recovery actions in the United States of America, Malaysia and Singapore related to the January 2019 hack As you correctly mentioned, their (never-ending) investigation has still not ended yet and they have refused to be specific as to where those requested frozen funds in those countries are being held. Wasnt there some funds frozen from the Cryptopia hack that was tracked to binance or some other exchanges ?
This could that they have written " asked authorities in various countries to seize and/or return funds based on them being taken in the alleged 2019 Cryptopia hack "
But i really dont know that , the only thing i know is that the Investigation is still on going.
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If for a moment just for argument sake, we remove the issue of the local boards and sections of the forum (as to not limit the approach to just one language or locality and instead look at local boards generically), the issue of many members having and operating multiple accounts is a huge problem. It happens in the global boards too. I doubt the OP is sitting around idle just waiting in the hope his account will be unblocked, he has probably been actively cultivating his other accounts but if he wishes to drag this out posting here appealing the ban then let him waste his time. Eventually the OP or a moderator will lock the thread. Yes, this is an irrefutable fact. Judging by the activity of the local section to which the OP belongs, each has ten alternative accounts. I don't understand why the OP is so attached to his account at a time when his brothers are so actively cultivating their accounts in pizza and pumpkin contests, and exchanging merit as if nothing had happened. OP, are you saying you're sitting around waiting for an unblock? |
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The question arises, why would the OP start this thread and draw attention on to himself? If marlboroza had given the negative tag and he is no longer using the forum it means there is nothing he can do about it. As a result of him bringing attention to himself he has received two more negative tags.
I have added another four names to that list and then tagged the OP with negative trust. As soon as I have ample time I will tag all of the accounts:
Dank14, grim007, grim07, Omegasun, Mintcondition, Casabrandy, IKZIR31, pratamaPR31, Gastotade, Armstand, Lumada, Blamsud, vasrasus, Wandika, Palodar, Kolder, PhilPrime, Bitcoin Market, xWill, Dahhi, Gaugh, Goms, Daisy14, BlockEye, Gahs, Dinki, Goms, Daisy14
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Am I the only person to whom John Abraham, i.e. naim027 has sent a PM regarding feedback?
No, I got a PM from him earlier today and in it he mentioned that he was going to contact you. I imagine the message he sent me is similar to what you received, though what I got was a long-winded explanation as to why he and naim027 aren't alt accounts. There's enough evidence in this thread that points to the two accounts being controlled by the same person--at least enough for me to feel comfortable tagging the John Abraham one. The moderators might feel differently or require a higher standard of proof, but there's always been that disconnect between them and DT members. By the way, I don't want people presenting their arguments for removing a tag being delivered via PM. Everything should be out in the open so that the community can weigh in--at least that's the way I see it. So John Abraham, if you want to share additional info please do it here. Nobody's forcing you to, but I'm requesting that you do. Well, I also received a PM from the John Abraham account. It seems those that left negative trust on his account received the PM. I also think working behind the scenes via PM to provide information or present arguments is not best practice if the objective is to try to have feedback/trust either removed or revised. When presenting a case if everything is out in the open for all to see there can be no doubt about what is going on when questions and answers are put forward. In these types of matters the community should (as you said) be able to weight in. I will not reply to the PM but also will state that if the John Abraham account has anything to add then he should post it here for all to read. |
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This is the part I found (almost) laughable, they have claimed $460,000 as their fees for this period whatever that might mean. Overall, for the work they have been doing they must have already taken millions of USD$ from the funds that were recovered. Remuneration Report:
The Liquidators’ remuneration received for the Period, charged at the hourly rates, totalled $459,727 exclusive of GST. This includes time spent carrying out investigations, attempting to secure hacked assets, development and management of the claim’s portal, designing and overseeing an appropriate identity verification process, supervision of the Cryptopia customer support team, development and engagement with specialist Crypto-asset experts and liaising with legal authorities.In the report they mentioned they have asked authorities in various countries to seize and/or return funds based on them being taken in the alleged 2019 Cryptopia hack therefore the funds recovered could go a long way to helping victims. There was an Update this morning from the Liquidators ! |
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You're right, far fewer bitcoins are lost today than in the beginning, when people mined them on their laptops, at a time when they were worth pennies and they didn't know if they would still be around in a few years, nor did they have options for spending them as they do now. Today there are many more security measures, more knowledge, and people consider them much more valuable than they did then.
They will always continue to be lost, but in percentage terms much less. I would tend to agree with this statement because in the early days many miners would have simply lost their Bitcoin as they would not have had access to the facilities for spending them as we do now but do we have statistical evidence pointing towards the number of lost Bitcoins? to introduce code that can take coins without utxo key signing. even at 100year policy. can easily if implemented then change that mining policy to then be 50 years or 10 years or 10 days..
you might aswell kill bitcoin if you want to introduce any method to taking coins without utxo key signing permission
part of security is the inability to move coins without utxo key signing. lets not mess with that at all What you said is correct. To change the basic fundamentals Bitcoin was based on will be detrimental to the core principles it was founded upon. What I would like to ask is if the OP really is a newbie or if he is a newly created account by an established member. If I had to choose I would go with the notion this is not his only account and the OP was looking for merits (but received none as of yet). |
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I think it is clear he/she is fighting a losing battle when it comes to trying to reprieve their NoorulHuda account. Nothing they say (and no matter which explanations they provide or which stories they concoct) will probably have ban lifted otherwise it would have been done by now. I do not believe anything the OP says. There is no genuine remorse at plagiarism, it is related to being unable to use the account to earn an income via signature campaigns. They should give up on this banned account be careful not to make the same mistakes with their other farmed accounts otherwise they will be banned too. I’m not sure but anyone who’s from my region can confirm my account is a girl’s name “Noor ul Huda”and this account gmjutt6 is a boy’s name (my brother)… I’m a girl. I know it does not matter but for the sake of argument I’m adding this.
Boyfriend, girlfriend, brother, sister, uncle or cousin - all this does not make much sense to you in what you want to prove, because it is not unusual for some members to have a feminine nickname when in fact they are men and vice versa. |
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I suppose if you wanted to, you would have done mentioned it in your post but nevertheless would you be in a position to elaborate further as to what you define as " I do something stupid". Members reading this thread might be able to advise you (while you wait for a reply from Whirlwind, that is if you have not already received it). |
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I wrote again to FortuneJack and received an answer that they would not change their decision.
After that, I wrote to the AskGamblers site, as you advised me. Now there is a delay of 2 - 4 days for publication + I do not know how much there is a delay during the proceedings. Now that you have made one last attempt with FortuneJack at trying to resolve the matter and it failed, it will be interesting to see how this matter will unfold with AskGamblers because the amount involved is very small but FortuneJack are the OP believe they are in the right. The OP taking this to arbitration seems the only way to settle the matter. Reading the previous discussion and statement of FJ will obviously shut down the door of possibility to recover your so called scam amount. You admit that you are using VPN that might connect you to other user. Even if your KYC is different to other user, Having a same IP is always a strong evidence for multiple account.
Choosing the Askgambler route is your only choice since you will need someone to verify your record on FJ which is not possible to disclose here. Having this kind of issue is very hard to resolve especially if they have an evidence for same IP on multiple account that do the same pattern of claiming bonus and bet the opposite side of your bet. The issue of having a VPN as far as FortuneJack is concerned should be deemed as a non-issue because they clearly have no problem with it: How do Gamblers benefit from VPN |
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You have a valid point and that is why Duelbits should post here providing some information that would be deemed satisfactory to the majority of those participating in this thread. In my view, the idea that Duelbits could scam the OP is as preposterous as they come because Duelbits are not scammers but the way they have handled this allegation is sub-standard and they should have been better in their communication. It has raised questions if they have allowed withdrawal of that much money (4x $500,000) and then blocking the 5th request (1x $500,000) without providing the OP with a clear indication of what their investigation team allegedly found and without asking him for details regarding a specific transaction or deposit. It does have to be said though, Duelbits have not come out of this situation looking good at all when they could have (and probably should have) at least made a public statement that would have provided a better explanation. They have asked for further information in the 15th June 2023 email, the OP has not sent it and Duelbits have not sent another therefore the situation is at a stalemate. What more (specifically) do Duelbits want from the OP? Amazing how you can say so much without saying anything.
How can someone show endless transactions? What if he doesn't use an old wallet anymore? Also, why does duelbits even want to see all of these, for what reason? And why now, after withdrawing much more before? Makes 0 sense and doesn't look good in my opinion.
Of course they can just refer to the TOS, as usual. But tell us, why? Why is OP being targeted even though he didn't violate any rules? There are no allegations of multi accounting, arbitrage betting or other nonsense casinos come up with so they don't have to pay.
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I think some members here are conflating your lack of elaborating with you treating the OP unfairly. From experience in posting in many scam allegation threads I am fairly confident Duelbits must have good reason to payout all that money to the OP and then refuse to payout the final request. From what I can see, it also looks as like the OP has not met the request to provide further information. If the OP has supplied a few Etherscan links and not much else then maybe he should gather together some more of the evidence you are requesting. Have you made it clear specifically what you are looking for him to send you (other than transactions that align with your records)? We want to address your concerns regarding withdrawal processing and assure you of our commitment to prompt service.
As a responsible gaming platform, we have implemented measures to safeguard the security and fairness of our platform. On rare occasions, our dedicated verification team may come across anomalies or unusual patterns associated with an account.
In such cases, our team conducts a thorough investigation to ensure the legitimacy of the transactions involved. This process is crucial to protect our players and uphold the integrity of Duelbits. Throughout the verification process, we work closely with the account holder, requesting specific information and ensuring their privacy and confidentiality. |
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Is the OP going to take your advice? If he really feels he has a case against FortuneJack he has several ways to make a complaint and he should seriously consider his options. If he will not ask mediators to get involved to try to solve the issue to his satisfaction (and there is nothing the forum members can do for him), what exactly will he do next? @OP, unfortunately, some casinos do not like to share some data publicly on public forums. I think you understand why they can't do that.
FortuneJack's representative explained why they banned your account and, for obvious reasons, they can't tell how they did it.
No one in this forum can help you. The best you can do is to complain to an independent mediator like casinoguru and provide all your evidences. Casinos won't mind cooperating with those mediators since some sensitive data (proofs) don't have to be published publicly.
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I second to this, because there are multiple proven cases of stealing players' money by locking their accounts unjustly and without any explanation as to why the accounts are blocked since they already have a plan of scamming and their operate the business based on the scammed funds from innocent gamblers who may not be aware of their tactic. It does not matter on which tactics scammers employ or whether it is 1xbit/1xbit1 or a different casino. If innocent gamblers applied due-diligence before sending their funds to any website then they would improve their chances of not being scammed. Good idea and initiative to include a picture, considering those who lurk around here without being logged in their accounts would not realize how bad the reputation of that account is,at first glance. Still, even though we do not have the exact numbers and we may never have them, I am certain that people like you have helped many around the internet not to lose their money to these people  Makes me wonder if a thread about this casino on the beginners and help board would be constructive or not. To be honest, we are fighting a losing battle because scammers will find a way to scam. If all we can do is highlight the scams and then hope to shield or protect some of those newbies, it means we have momentarily caused disruption to their scamming plans and they will probably find other ways to scam. Scam warning threads already exist elsewhere but I broadly agree it would be a good move to have a pinned thread. Having said that I think it would be far more constructive if any such pinned thread were not related to a single entity or organisation (such as 1xbit/1xbit1) but rather act as a generic warning. |
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If you have solved what you claim happened then is it not best now for you to lock this thread. You drew a lot of attention on yourself for something that you cannot recall whether you did it yourself. If there was a possibility you changed your password yourself and forgot about it then you should have investigated it as an option beforehand. If there is nothing more for you add here then consider locking the thread. It is possible that you did not remembered that you changed your password, lol.
There is possibility of this because I am active on many forums with different passwords. But at the time of making this post, I was sure that I was not able to login with the password I remember for this account. Now the problem is solved. I have even changed password. |
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i showed you my 5kk$ profit from rollbit, this money i cashed out in my country with P2P becasuse in our country it's legal and there is NO DOCUMENTS for it. I showed you my PNL from binance, i showed you my tax reports, SO??? i showed you all transactions from OKEX whitch i sent to DUELBITS, i pinned a lot video and screenshots for all what you ask. for now i have nothing to add, because you do not say any true info about what you want. so just withdraw my money and close my account. 15.06.2023, 18:04, "Joao (Support)" < support@duelbits.com>: If you have given them what they asked for and they have said the information does not align with the actual records then there is a dispute. If you adhered to their requests for proofs and documents, you should not hesitate to take any form of legal action. If they receive a legal notice from your lawyer maybe they will have to give a further explanation as to why they refused the withdrawals or they will write to the Court asking for proceedings to not go ahead based on them releasing evidence to a judge. Just because Duelbits are not stating the exact issue that made them stop you from making the withdrawal does not mean there is no issue and does not mean they will not release that information at a later date to yourself, your lawyer or a judge. I get your point, and I agree that the only thing OP can do is pursue this matter through legal action.
But what other people asking here is 'What could DuelBits do better in this matter?' your previous post seems to imply that DuelBit shouldn't be 'punish' for what they've done to the OP, and they are not obligated to do more effort to find the best way to solve the problem.
I am not saying that the OP is 100% right and DuelBits is scamming, OP has sent step-by-step the details on how he acquire the fund he use to gamble, but seems like nothing is right, and theres no details on what is wrong, only shallow explanation that it's not align with their system.
The next question would be what would the other gamblers do? should they keep depositing money to the site while they know Duelbits could do the same to them as they do the the OP. The Duelbits forum representative should post here again to explain whatever they can about the issue and either contradict or challenge the OP on his statements or simply accept they selective scammed him. A statement from Duelbits in this thread is overdue. I am not implying Duelbits or any other casino should not be punished in any capacity, on the contrary any scammer or selective scammer should be punished but as of now we do not have a better picture of what is going on because (apart from one post from the Duelbits forum representative) this thread has effectively been a one-side story. Regarding the deposits made by the OP, after he sent them various proofs he received this from Duelbits in reply: " In order to thoroughly investigate and address this issue, we kindly request that you provide additional evidence that clearly shows the origin and path of the funds involved. It would be helpful if the proofs include specific dates, times, and any relevant transaction reference numbers. By providing such information, we can better understand the situation and work towards a satisfactory resolution." I understand there are screenshots of how successful the OP may have been at other casinos but at the moment keep his alleged winning streak aside. Did the OP send additional information after this email from Duelbits on 15th June 2023? https://etherscan.io/tx/0x34e7a29b26d7a66a2ae7204902dc426792d1b111801433afe163179f7b47e066https://etherscan.io/tx/0x11f859c8c0d8ecf8a9f33b015869562e108bcf534821d7f96f050bfce0e8437fhttps://etherscan.io/tx/0xdcb676c6c018c05aab1261311f4a4db2b9b129a12a6e8bf41df5191aafc4a577In the deposits screenshot it shows the OP made 10 deposits within a 24 day period ranging from $23,000 to $199,000 with both BTC and USDT. Unless I am missing something, if all he sent to Duelbits were 3 Etherscan links with a few thousand USD$ in transactions and nothing else subsequently even though he was requested to send more, then that could be (in part) the reason why the issue currently remains unresolved. Before he commences legal action against Duelbits I think the OP should at least explore this avenue beforehand. |
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Your comments have been noted and we agree to disagree because I am saying my assumption is correct  Keeping aside our differences of opinion related to this matter, what do you think the OP should do next in order to try have access to the funds he claims were scammed. Apart from proceeding via a legal channel what else would you suggest and do you think he should appoint a lawyer to represent him? Im not saying Duelbit acammed or not but im saying your ssumation and logic are very wrong |
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Do you think it is highly probable they already know what those patterns are and they are not willing to divulge them in a public forum out of fear that others will attempt to follow suit? If they have evaluated the case and concluded they will not pay on the basis of fraud taking place as well as the OP willingly sign up to terms and conditions that he is now (allegedly) in breach of, there is not much he can do. FortuneJack seem to have paid back deposits but are not willing to pay winnings based on fraud. If the OP wants to take this to a complaints tribunal then he really should proceed if he believes he is in the right.
The Behavioral Analysis team discovered a common pattern among these three accounts, including similar depositing methods, participation in a specific sports event, and matching geographical locations. Consequently, the Behavioral Analysis team has determined that there have been two violations of our terms: Multi-Accounting and Bonus Abuse. In simpler terms, it appears that arbitrage betting has taken place, which involves placing bets on the same sportsbook event and abusing the Welcome Deposit Cashback Offer (20%).
Is this really considerable? Only three factors and someone will be considered "the same" to others? People who live the same country probably of higher chance to use the same deposit method, and that's already 2/3 of the factors you've mentioned. The the last factor as OP mentioned it's only for big event/sports and made only 4 bets (based on the screenshot). And again, what are the other factors that affects in case of OP that he was considered as multi-accounting because i'm not convinced that those 3 of them is enough considering you have thousands of users to check especially if the the device, browsers, connection/isp, screen size are not the same. |
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This might be a timely reminder to those that are thinking of sending funds to 1xbit/1xbit to take a look at their reputation within the forum. THere cannot be a doubt that not all of the scam allegations against them are genuine but what can be said is there are a substantial number of allegations that are backed up with some form of credible evidence. I request that those that find their way to this thread and this post, please refrain from using their website. |
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They have not stated it is unacceptable or mentioned that it is in breach of any rules or code of conduct therefore maybe using a VPN is not related to the specific case. As far as FortuneJack is concerned, is using a VPN really problematic in any capacity after reading this link: How do Gamblers benefit from VPNIt is safe to conclude the OP using a VPN is probably not at the heart of this story. You’ve got a point here and I smell something is really wrong here on handling your case. They complete already the KYC after the first deposit then allows you to deposit multiple times then bust your account when you are already in profit.
Do you use VPN while playing on all the day recorded on your deposit history? There’s a chance that you use an IP from known scammer then it connected to you after you use the VPN. Casino usually make an audit during withdrawal and not during deposit. But one thing I’m confused was your account is already verified so it means that they already check your account for this potential problem. Let’s wait the representative to join here @Fortunejack
Yes, I use vpn. I am sure that for the bookmaker this is already perfectly clear, because the IP address is constantly changing, which immediately indicates this. Perhaps it coincided with another user who had previously placed bets with this bookmaker. But does the coincidence of the IP address give the right to steal money? I am sure that identity verification is also done for a reason. You agree with me? My IP address is not written in my passport, it does not belong to me and cannot be used for identification!!! I'm already silent about public Wi-Fi ... |
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If the OP has claimed a phantom change of password took place yet on the same the day he applied to a signature campaign using an address he has used on at least 8 different occasions while applying for various campaigns, then I cannot see the benefit. If there is another option then that would be interesting to see. What exactly he thought he would achieve with this thread is the real question now. As a result, always think about what you write about; sometimes innocent stupidity can lead to serious consequences. You are right, what would happened to op if couldn't be able to prove himself or herself as people demanded. Any bad effect of what it would results to the account owner? Because i believe op may only get justice if all those things said by some people here are being carried out to sign a message with the said address mentioned earlier by @JollyGood. |
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