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The problem quite often is that many newbies happen to be accounts created for farming purposes and no matter what facade they try to display, sooner or later many of them end up give themselves away. The manner in which the OP is writing throughout the history is somewhat ridiculous when demonstrates someone deliberately writing well below their real capability as far as the English language is concerned.

I do not think he was told about it, he found it. As you rightly stated, what was he doing checking feedback when newbies do not really know much about it. Also, simply by the way he is writing it seems it is designed to come across as a novice non-English speaker but he failed to fool.

Check grammar here when he posted for merits but must have was disappointed as received zero especially after the good grammar applied with a few deliberate mistakes. Compare it to the way he wrote the OP.

You probably do not know the situation but I think the puppeteer controlling the CryptoHFs account probably gave up on it because of two significant occurrences. First, his account was tagged as someone who would not ask for a loan in future and second he put a spotlight on himself by posting nonsense in the Reputation and Lending boards.

I have had a brief look at to your account history and from what I see it does not look as though this is your first account. Feel free to add further responses on that view.

Having said that, if you look at the feedback history of CryptoHF you will see that he is relatively new here. His account was created around 4 months ago and with his low quality of posting, he has not contributed to the community in a positive manner.

If you take a look at the feedback for the CryptoHF account, it has been tagged by several members as it deserves. The feedback he has left for members demonstrates he cannot be taken seriously and for that being one of the reasons, I will tag his account with appropriate feedback too.

We need more input from loginsam45 in this thread.

For now at least, I am not stating loginsam45 is telling the truth nor am I stating you are the one who is truthful but as a point of interest we should have some clarity on what was mentioned by _BlackStar. Can you sign any of your three known addresses from 2014/2015?

If you are unable to sign any of them please explain why.

Please note, I am on the verge of tagging your _Hiloveua_ account (and several others) on the basis of being farmed engaging in merit abuse operated by the same puppeteer controlling the deadsea33 account. Having said that I ask you to be clear in your defence.

_Hiloveua_ without conducting in incoherent ramblings and by giving straight answers only, can you address the following questions:

Was it necessary to quote the whole long detailed OP in order to make a post just for the sake of your 2 1/2 line post?
 
1) Are you the person who created the GigaBit account?
2) Did you ever buy, sell or hack the GigaBit account?
3) Did you ever buy, sell or hack any other forum account?
4) In your opinion why would loginsam45 state the account is his not yours?
5) Explain what you mean by loginsam45 sharing misinformation

You state loginsam45 shared misinformation but you ask others to evaluate the situation when you yourself have not elaborated on it. Now that you have finally made an appearance here, kindly stop the cryptic messages and be direct with your comments.

I am glad you posted about this scam because after the SEC court case it is obvious XRP trade volumes will definitely increase with time. It seems like these scammers are not going to vanish taking their scams with them, therefore as a community we have to be vigilant and we must try to bring these scams to the attention of as many people as possible.

He skipped past your post ignoring it completely. The fact he made no effort at all to address any point you raised shows the account is probably sure tags will be forthcoming and is trying to stop themselves from making more errors.

It is worth noting hugeblack has mentioned his opinions clearly as far as the _Hiloveua_ account is concerned. If this member is using online translators to deceive others in to believing they are multi-lingual (if not bi-lingual) then what is their aim for the charade?

As deadsea33 has not answered, I will take a guess and say maybe he is too busy using the other farmed accounts under his control to meet their signature campaign quotas or he is trying to build them up in order to join signature campaigns. He does not have much use left for the sold/hacked deadsea33 account now.

I have read your post above and have also been through your post history and seen that it is mostly nonsense being spouted for the sake of trying to end up with merits.

You are failing at trying to insult our intelligence with your failed attempts at subliminal misdirection.

It has been noted you did not have any problem spelling his name correctly when it suits your needs (to gain merits in the scam merit thread) even though you had already jumbled the name for your suspected alt-account to decipher, yet you type it wrong here in the hope of causing a diversion when you want to try misdirecting members.

You have not contributed in any capacity within the forum therefore can you explain specifically why you feel you should not receive a neutral or negative tag for merit abuse?

Can you explain why you think that is the case.

I read your post in great detail but am not impressed with what you wrote, nor do I believe you nor do I have any sympathy for you.

Having said that, I would like to ask you something. I request you to make another statement based on this: Will you state that this Hatchy account is the only one you have ever used in this forum?

The merit competition thread was an absolute farce trying to hide behind a false legitimacy of a game of fun. _Hiloveua_ is the main beneficiary of the whole farce when it comes to the number of merits received but others have also benefitted. For the _Hiloveua_ account to post correct replies on numerous occasions within minutes of the questions being posted, is clearly suspicious to say the least.

As the Hatchy account has posted/pleaded innocence here, I have sent a PM to the accounts mentioned in the OP but other members will be sent PMs after the OP is updated.

Thankfully the merit abuse thread created by deadsea33 is locked.

The person currently controlling the deadsea33 account made that thread with the intention of merit abuse. If you ignore them now you will not be able to read their (probably laughable) replies when they post a defence denying wrongdoing.

That is exactly what it comes down to: money

A large number of members participate in signature campaigns and there is nothing wrong with that. For some it is life-changing to earn more in a month here than in their jobs therefore they mismanage the situation.

If they have farmed accounts which are not used for merit abuse, not used for revenge feedback, not used for revenge trust inclusion/exclusion and not used for DT manipulation and they post enough to meet quota for their campaigns then that is different from using the Reputation board trying to remove a neutral tag and getting noticed. If the signature campaign was of such significance they would have refrained from involving themselves in anything beyond their signature campaign quota.

In many cases at least signature campaign participants have contributed positively in some capacity to this wonderful forum of ours but when the greed (as you put it) takes over they lower the bar with low quality participation via their posts and that too can be seen.

Thankfully some members are trying to use the Reputation board to post about these types of things, there is no other option.

As of right now we cannot be sure if the relationship between the two accounts is one of merit abuse between one account farmer or merit selling between accounts operated by different account farmers.

Of the most compelling cases of the suspected nefarious activity with the deadsea33 account at the centre it is the _Hiloveua_ account. That account simply stands out the most because not only has the _Hiloveua_ account already received merits on 24 different occasions to the total of 50 merits, deadsea33 posted that he owes 28 merits to the _Hiloveua_ account which will be given on 29th July 2023. The post is here.







I think you have said something is a fact. $500 a month is more than the national average in many countries therefore it is driving force for account farming. I have no doubt the puppeteer controlling the deadsea33 account has several accounts. I cannot be confident enough to say how many but it has to be more than the ones connected to his merit abuse thread.

You have clearly noticed the ITExpert account and have a suspicion. I have to say on many occasions the first impression or gut feeling is usually correct but that is a different matter. When I have time I will take a detailed look in that ITExpert account to see what can be discovered, thank you for mentioning it.

I will be busy over the next few days therefore cannot give the investigation the time it deserves and for that reason prefer to not tag accounts periodically but I will tag ALL the accounts associated with the deadsea33 merit abuse at the same time, after I collate evidence.

I was not surprised about the ulterior motive because he is not the only one who has them.

If a member with hardly any posts worth reading and hardly anything positive to contribute to the forum starts a Get Merits thread, that is highly suspicious. When members with little to no history or contributions or newbies miraculously find themselves on that thread receiving merits then that too is highly suspicious.

When the same members are repeatedly given merits seconds after the next game is posted because again they are miraculously online at the correct time, then that too is highly suspicious. Also, what makes it more fascinating is that almost none of the games were posted at the time deadsea33 announced, they were taking place later yet miraculously certain members were there posting and collecting merits.

That is either too many miracles in one thread or something suspicious is definitely going on.

When I originally came across the thread I noticed your name and cygan in the OP and to some degree I think that provided a cover of legitimacy to deadsea33 to carry out nefarious activities including merit abuse. That was also part of his ulterior motive. When members stumble across those boards and notice names of well known and/or respected members in the OP as reference points then it goes a long way to removing the element of doubt.

There was absolutely an ulterior motive therefore I was not surprised deadsea33 was caught out and as usual it is the arrogance that some members of this forum display that brings them down. Had he simply not reacted to the neutral tag placed by hugeblack and had he not started a thread to complain then he would not have had his account analysed.

This is what it is all about managing a Premier League team. Top managers have excellent man-management skills, they know how to get the best from their players by making them believe in his vision for the club. If he does not get sold pre-season and Pochettino allows Ziyech an opportunity to play he has to take it and impress otherwise he could be sold in the winter transfer window.

When Cristiano Ronaldo joined the Saudi Pro League we did not think it would open the floodgates so quickly for Premier League famous names to go there too. Ziyech for £8 million would have been a bargain as long as his knee was not bad but if they are saying he failed the medical he probably did. Now Mahrez is having a medical and soon could be unveiled as another famous player joining the Saudi Pro League.

The game was rigged and that is clear to see. The thread was designed to give merits to accounts deadsea33 wanted to give merits to. It also facilitated the legitimate manner in which any forum member wanted to send merits to deadsea33 for running the game/thread therefore he was successful in more than one way in his deceit.

Hopefully he does not have dozens of accounts but if he does we all need to work together to try to discover them.

I was going to wait a couple of days before starting this thread by collating more screenshots but after I saw the 2 merits you gave to the _Hiloveua_ account in the In Merits, Count Down To Your Next Rank... thread, I decided to create this thread prematurely.

I am preoccupied right now but as soon as I complete looking at the merits between all accounts connected to the deadsea33 account, I will tag them all if there is enough evidence. I do not blame you for not looking at their post history before giving merits because we all have done the same thing (and still do from time to time) but your generosity should not be taken advantage of.

It seems to point very strongly towards merit abuse but one thing is unclear. Is it one puppeteer controlling all the accounts involved as part of a ranking up process on his accounts or is it a deal between other farm operators to send/receive merits between themselves in order to build up the accounts involved. That will be discovered soon.

You should provide evidence of your claim and you should also answer the questions in the OP:

I ask ltcrstrbrt, GigaBit and bluedeep to add their views as soon as possible. I also ask loginsam45 to explain in as much detail as possible:

1) Why he claims he operated the three accounts that were stolen from him
2) How were these accounts stolen by his friend
3) What is the forum member name of this friend
4) Why was he operating the three accounts in the first place
5) Does he have any other accounts he is still controlling/operating
6) Are speeder and Averim connected within the account farming
7) What he means when he stated he wants justice. Clarify what he means by justice

I would like to know which information you have collated, hopefully it will shed some light on what is turning out to be a bizarre series of allegations which at the moment loginsam45 is failing to provide evidence to back-up his claim.

Would you be more inclined to say it was either a clever attempt at misdirection or something far less sinister such as being innocent of the allegation made by loginsam45?

This thread has given loginsam45 the platform to express his views and to provide evidence to substantiate his allegations. He has not even taken advantage of that by making a single coherent post.

I am baffled that all of a sudden, the member (loginsam45) that was posting words and sentences with a high degree of accuracy, is now post incoherent ramblings instead of providing evidence supporting his allegations.

The person controlling the deadsea33 account could well have been getting away with his nefarious (and non-nefarious) activities for a long time to come had he not started a thread questioning a simple matter such as a neutral tag. That thread inadvertently brought the deadsea33 account to the attention of the wider community and it was discovered he was not the person that created the account back in 2013 and for that reason he has (it seems) given up on trying to use that account.

You can view the deadsea33 merit history and decide for yourself if anything looks suspicious.

Personally I do not feel the cover/excuse that will be given for the merits being awarded will be sufficient if it is based on this thread: deadsea33's "Complete the Word Game and Get Merits" because clearly that was set up in order to find an excusable way to send and receive merits and to present it as a defence if questions were asked about suspicious merits.

The accounts that have received excessive merits and/or questionable merits from the deadsea33 account are free to post here with anything they would like to say. I have no doubt members would welcome their views and comments.

Having said that, at the time of writing this post I will not say the following accounts have engaged in anything suspicious but I will return to this thread when I have time and I will update the OP more accounts if necessary and I will tag any and all accounts I feel have participated in merit abuse.

I am quite intrigued about the allegations and claims made by loginsam45 because it is maybe the first time I have read a member claiming his alt-accounts were stolen and he is listing the names of the alleged stolen accounts.

It seemed the best way forward to discuss that was to have a dedicated thread in order to keep this thread on-topic. The dedicated thread to the issue of loginsam45 and his alleged stolen accounts is here: loginsam45 and his alleged alt-accounts: ltcrstrbrt, GigaBit and bluedeep

loginsam45 has stated in a different unrelated thread that he has several alt-accounts and as a result some that thread is now being taken off-topic. In order to keep the conversation specific to the subject I have opted for this thread.

What can be stated is loginsam45 has not provided any evidence he was duped out of the accounts he claimed he operated. Before consideration is given to tagging all four mentioned accounts there should be a period to allow them all to reply confirming or refuting what loginsam45 has claimed.

I ask ltcrstrbrt, GigaBit and bluedeep to add their views as soon as possible. I also ask loginsam45 to explain in as much detail as possible:

1) Why he claims he operated the three accounts that were stolen from him
2) How were these accounts stolen by his friend
3) What is the forum member name of this friend
4) Why was he operating the three accounts in the first place
5) Does he have any other accounts he is still controlling/operating
6) Are speeder and Averim connected within the account farming
7) What he means when he stated he wants justice. Clarify what he means by justice

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Ziyech denies his knee or hip suffer from issues but Al-Nassr said he failed a medical. They agreed £8 million for the sale but Chelsea paid £33 million to Ajax to buy him therefore it is a huge loss. If he does not get sold he will end up staying at Chelsea, there are two years of his current Chelsea deal remaining. It is best for all parties if he leaves and he is only 24 years old (I think), he should be able to kick-start his career elsewhere.