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45021  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Group Buy] 1 Metabank Bitfury with hosting in the US [ORDERING CLOSED] on: September 22, 2013, 01:51:28 PM
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45022  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: [WTB] BTC with Paypal on: September 21, 2013, 11:47:40 PM
Hi Everyone,

I'm a long time re-seller here with good feedback and I'm looking to buy BTC directly from people who are looking for Paypal funds.

I'm looking for up to 10 BTC a day.

Thanks,
Jon
ssinc

I am looking to business with you on another thread for another item. I am going to send you a pm.
45023  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [33 TH/s] BitMinter.com [ASIC support: var diff, Stratum, GBT, rollntime] on: September 21, 2013, 11:38:11 PM
Can i run more than one blade on the same proxy miner?


I don't know  much about blades. but I would think it depends on your ethernet switches.

I would think a 5 port switch could be assigned 1 good ip address and switch quick enough between the blades,but frankly I do not know.
45024  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [33 TH/s] BitMinter.com [ASIC support: var diff, Stratum, GBT, rollntime] on: September 21, 2013, 10:36:54 PM
Is any one still having trouble with the usb sticks. I have 20 of them running, they wont stay at full speed. back and forth between 4-7 ghs I thought Doc fixed this? Any ideas?

It could be brownouts, or issues with daisy chain topology.  

I don't think the guys who invented USB ever figured we'd be actually connecting 100+ USB devices at once. Smiley

I had 80+ GH of USB BE's running on 3 Mac's.

You know, there is this killer Targus 7 port USB hub with 3.5Amp transformer that I have that nobody out there seems to know about.  I was thinking of getting rid of them, but maybe if these new USB's pan out, I'll keep em.

Here is an old Ebay auction in which the Targus 7 port hubs are shown - they clip together!   Very cool

I'd post images, but I don't know how so here is a link to the finished auction:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/281149519539?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1559.l2649



  you bring up a good point about daisy chain topology.   max is 5 a port.  so depending on the port on the pc you can do 4 or 5 hubs.   My asus maximus gene v has 3 usb ports for usb 2 purposes .  rest are usb 3.   if I plug 1 hub into each port that is 3 hubs but the mobo is wired that each is the first of a 5  possible.  in english

port a = 1 hub then plug in 4 hubs  .   so that is a 10 port  with 4 ten ports plugged into it      or 6 plus 40 total of 46  jacks for  sticks.

port b = 1 hub then plug in 4 hubs .  so that is a 10 port with 4 ten port hubs plugged into it .  or 6 plus 40 total of 46 jacks for sticks.

port c = 1 hub then plug in 4 hubs so that is a 10 port with 4 ten port hubs plugged into it.   or 6 plus 40 total of 46 jacks for sticks.

  I can do any 2 of the 3 above maxed so  92 sticks are a piece of cake.  when I try to do all 3 I go past the 127 usb limit and all kinds of problems.   this mobo has done 105 sticks.  right now it does 100 sticks.   I am happy doing 100 sticks.

 if I could swap al bit fury's I could be doing about 230gh instead of 33gh with the same power use!   I am thinking the spacing will allow for 60 sticks instead of 100 sticks.  but  60 bitfurys would get me to 150gh with less power then the 100 sticks at 33gh.  I almost have 17 coins to order the 20 sticks.  I hope to place my order on the 23rd
45025  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [USA - NOW OPEN] 0.79-0.9 BPMC "RED FURY" 2.2-2.7 GH/s USB MINER! GB#9! on: September 21, 2013, 09:47:33 PM
Updated confirmed orders! Smiley

FYI : This Group Buy Will be closing in less than a week. I'll make an announcement and put up a countdown timer in a few days.



I have 11 coins. I am  working to get 6 more to order 20 sticks

I look forward to handling your order! Smiley

Man  getting  the 17 coins together is a hassle. I am at 13.2

So close! Smiley
  closer yet 15 coins.  either sunday or monday i will have the 17 coins.
45026  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [USA - NOW OPEN] 0.79-0.9 BPMC "RED FURY" 2.2-2.7 GH/s USB MINER! GB#9! on: September 21, 2013, 12:32:05 PM
Updated confirmed orders! Smiley

FYI : This Group Buy Will be closing in less than a week. I'll make an announcement and put up a countdown timer in a few days.



I have 11 coins. I am  working to get 6 more to order 20 sticks

I look forward to handling your order! Smiley

Man  getting  the 17 coins together is a hassle. I am at 13.2
45027  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [OPEN] NanoFury NF1 USB stick - GROUP BUY of BITFURY chips + US PRODUCT ASSEMBLY on: September 21, 2013, 11:49:35 AM
vs3 can you give us an overview, how many units are allready ordered?
thanx  Smiley

Confirmed orders are just about a hundred devices. Pending confirmation are another few hundreds (but I'm not going to count those until they become confirmed).
"Promised" with a bunch of "if" and "when", and "I'm interested" and "I will get X many" are over a thousand so far (which I'm not going to count either unless they do become confirmed).

Are the confirmed and pending confirmation orders payed to a different address?
On the blockchain there are only 6 transaction with a total of 7.2btc on the payment address: 1AHvViTD5wohPywNYHi8NZ8uPhbY9dZXCY
That would be 18 fully NF1 devices at 0.4btc
https://blockchain.info/address/1AHvViTD5wohPywNYHi8NZ8uPhbY9dZXCY
this seems like only a few people have sent in coins.

in contrast the other buy for these sticks uses:

https://blockchain.info/address/1LRUwL1sF5j4DPjXrkVGGiDGFd7qGVqwGX

  and that address has more then 60 coins placed into it. The other seller wants .85 a stick so for me to buy 20 sticks it is 17 coins I get them lets say  Oct 2- oct 10th. 

Your sticks are lower cost I like that but they come Oct 30 - NOV 4th

 Frankly as a person still waiting for my bfl orders from Jan of 2013 sending 12 coins to you for 20-30 sticks is kind of hard for me to do. 
 

Not only am I waiting on bfl. 5 coins
 I am waiting on knc.            7 coins
 I am waiting for a baby jet.   2 coins
I am waiting  on a metabank. 3 coins

most of the above is group buys from this site.


I am not sure I want to tie up 12 coins for a long time say 42 days. Very frustrating doing business with asic providers.  It is almost always hurry up and wait.

 So as much as I want to pay .4 to .6 a stick I will most  likely pay .85 a stick to the other seller. Not my first choice but it looks safer.  If I order here it will be 2 or 3 sticks tops. I can deal with waiting on a small amount of coins for gear.
45028  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [33 TH/s] BitMinter.com [ASIC support: var diff, Stratum, GBT, rollntime] on: September 20, 2013, 11:48:07 PM
Is any one still having trouble with the usb sticks. I have 20 of them running, they wont stay at full speed. back and forth between 4-7 ghs I thought Doc fixed this? Any ideas?

my 100 are rock solid
 

Latest Shifts
23:44
Time   Ghps   Your Ghps   Your score
23:29   35,903.653   33.808   0.0942%
21:58   35,825.934   33.396   0.0932%
20:28   35,634.971   32.379   0.0909%
18:57   35,516.061   33.231   0.0936%
17:25   34,802.912   32.932   0.0946%
15:52   34,680.293   32.424   0.0935%
14:19   34,671.491   33.199   0.0958%
12:45   34,677.172   33.530   0.0967%
11:12   34,428.000   34.494   0.1002%
09:38   34,574.643   33.681   0.0974%

100 sticks should be close to 100x .3361 gh or 33.61gh
my score above covers the last 14 hours


I use a diy with an asus maximus gene v motherboard I have a i53470 cpu .  here are photos of my farm an old ebay sale from last week

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=151124310694
45029  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [USA - NOW OPEN] 0.79-0.9 BPMC "RED FURY" 2.2-2.7 GH/s USB MINER! GB#9! on: September 20, 2013, 07:49:50 PM
Updated confirmed orders! Smiley

FYI : This Group Buy Will be closing in less than a week. I'll make an announcement and put up a countdown timer in a few days.



I have 11 coins. I am  working to get 6 more to order 20 sticks
45030  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [33 TH/s] BitMinter.com [ASIC support: var diff, Stratum, GBT, rollntime] on: September 20, 2013, 03:45:40 PM
Have we gotten any confirmation about clearance on that heatsink? Most USB hubs have the ports packed pretty tightly and I'd be interested in getting a few of these but not if I have to replace my hubs.

this may mean every other port. thus making the 7 port hubs better then the 10 port hubs.  still 4 of these sticks = 9-10 gh  7 am sticks = 2.4 gh


the hub below is not low cost but it is overpowered with a 4amp 12 volt brick and is pretty much the most reliable hub there is for a standard pc running windows 7 not a raspberry pi


http://www.amazon.com/ViewHD-Professional-Premium-Quality-Chipset/dp/B00B59BFVI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1379691537&sr=8-1&keywords=viewhd+usb+hub

 this would run 4 new sticks with 3 empty slots. you may be able to fit one of these fans in 1 slot

http://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-Mobile-External-Cooling-AF0007/dp/B002OJN250/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1379691796&sr=8-1&keywords=thermaltake+usb+fan

http://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-Mobile-Fan-External-Cooling/dp/B00080G0BK/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1379691821&sr=8-2&keywords=thermaltake+usb+fan

http://www.amazon.com/Coolerguys-Dual-80mm-Cooling-Fans/dp/B002NVC1DS/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1379691837&sr=8-3&keywords=thermaltake+usb+fan
45031  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [33 TH/s] BitMinter.com [ASIC support: var diff, Stratum, GBT, rollntime] on: September 20, 2013, 03:35:03 PM
"DrHaribo can ssh in and work with" != "doc H is getting a stick sent to him"

I agree, they should send him one, because he is indirectly increasing their sales.
heh - not indirectly, directly.

Unfortunately, the companies making these things don't think that is true at all ...
... and they enjoy the free software development and support they get even though some of them make huge profits.

I have to give you this one.  your client has made a lot of money for a lot of people
45032  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [33 TH/s] BitMinter.com [ASIC support: var diff, Stratum, GBT, rollntime] on: September 20, 2013, 03:32:49 PM
"DrHaribo can ssh in and work with" != "doc H is getting a stick sent to him"

I agree, they should send him one, because he is indirectly increasing their sales.

I also agree. I've worked with hardware companies where they send me their hardware for a few weeks for free to make it work with my software. In return I promote their equipment and my users know for a fact that what they buy will work with my software since my company personally has used the exact device. Other times I've worked deals with some hardware companies so they sale it to me at a discount since it's only for testing, I even take their demo or "floor model" that they no longer use. They know that when I'm talking to my customers I'll be mentioning their company as one we work with and it provides confidance in the equipment. 

It's a win win for my company and with the free advertising for the their company.

I deal with end users all the time and that is the thing everyone needs to understand. You may have equipment to sale but you need people willing to buy. How do you do that with the least amount of money and effort going into advertising and proving your value to the community expecially since the bad taste some companys have put into us mininer's mouths when buying equipment.

Expecially in the case of new USB stick getting some well known names using and to be able to test their equipment is in their best intrest and in effect the ROI to that selling company is much higher. Everyone likes to do the ROI for equipment so lets do a little here: New unknown and unproven company gives out, we will say, 5 sticks to various well known celebrities of the BTC community that cost only production cost. Those people in turn will be doing advertising to a wide range of people on their blogs and sites they control the sites that people trust. ROI of the monetary amount of the physical device is negative but the ROI by the sales because of this should be in the positive.
yes the entire elephant not just the leg or the tail but the full picture.
45033  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [33 TH/s] BitMinter.com [ASIC support: var diff, Stratum, GBT, rollntime] on: September 20, 2013, 11:17:34 AM
New stick updates


The sellers of the new sticks have changed pricing again. They realized that a new fourth seller was undercutting the price structure and have decided to keep the pricing more in line with each other.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=296301.0  usa

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297320.0  eu/ek

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=296953.0  asia



 fourth seller after exchanging pm's has altered his pricing to match the other sellers.  nice guy polite with pm's.  when I pointed out his pricing would undercut all the approved sellers he agreed.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297304.0  GB seller takes paypal.
_______________________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________


Below is an alternate version of the new sticks

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=291456.0  

will hash at a lower rate and cost less.  no heat sink.  less developed and may not ship until late oct or early nov.


_______________________________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________
one of the threads says doc H is getting a stick sent to him.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=296301.0

from thread above:

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Re: [NOW OPEN] 0.83 - 0.9 BTC ~2.5 GH/s BPMC "RED FURY" USB MINERS! GB#9!
Today at 06:10:39 AM
  #49
Quote from: philipma1957 on Today at 01:21:14 AM
Quote from: ssinc on Today at 12:38:08 AM
I will not be selling these on eBay. Only directly to customers here and through my webstore.

If you are a eBay re-seller contact me for special bulk pricing and handling options.


I am gathering coins for a 20 stick buy.

I plan to order 20 a week sell 15-17 on ebay.

 I may try to set up a small buy for bitminter.com miners

 I  would like to order 20 run them for a day and sell them knowing they work.  I run the sticks on bitminter.com java client since it is the most newbe friendly client for mining. I sold a few hundred AM sticks on ebay like this trying to make it easy and fairly low cost for a new miner to get started.  I Should have my coins in order in 2-4 days.  I want sticks in hand  and pretested by me with my mining farm  to be able to sell on ebay as I believe this is the best way for a new miner to start up.  Send in a payment and the item ships out in 1 day. I don't mind doing a preorder to get started with stock.  But I want the ebayers to know I ship it out fast.

 This really worked well for me with the AM sticks. Since you have the earliest delivery date I am gathering coins to buy from you.  Knowing these work with bitminter.com java client  is a must.  BTW dr h of bitminter thinks they will since they are serial port com type devices

Yes we will be setting up some units that DrHaribo can ssh in and work with. We expect bitminter support soon.

  ^^^
very good news...  
_______________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________

I am still gathering coins and have about 10 so far.  with the price structure back in synch. for these

 my goal is to order 20 sticks for 17 coins and sell 14 to 16 in sets of 2. then repeat this 2 or 3 times.

45034  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [28 TH/s] BitMinter.com [ASIC support: var diff, Stratum, GBT, rollntime] on: September 20, 2013, 10:59:30 AM
...

C) pretty low cost for a stick

...
No - that's the flaw in your argument.
They are not low cost. They are high cost.

The cost in BTC is above the BTC it will ever return.

Not only that, but originally when the AsicMiner USBs came out the mark up on them was at least 2000% - probably more - up to as much as 5000%

They are still priced with 1 requirement:
1) That AsicMiner will receive up front more BTC than they could get mining with them
i.e. you will lose BTC buying and mining with them

I still do not understand why so many people don't see the obvious.

More so, I do not understand why so many other people say
"It's OK to lose BTC - doing something that makes BTC"

No one who has bought an AsicMiner USB from AsicMiner or it's distributors, and mined PPS or equivalent, has got back the amount of BTC they paid for it.

Low cost, meaning fiat price.. Anyone can buy one and start mining.
This is something no other product/company has achieved.
Until at least one asic manufacturer steps up and acts responsibly - this mining roi issue is not going away anytime soon.


 yep out of pocket anyone with 20-25 usd can buy an am stick on ebay plug it into the pc and hash.  put the coins earn in an account and hold them for the 'future".  All naysayers to this idea simply are ignoring the ease of doing this.   Lets say I do not want to buy btc.  Why because buying btc is not that easy.  many people do not want to give a site like coinbase all the info needed to buy btc.   But millions of people have an  ebay account.
 
Below is the best usa ebay price for 1 stick 21.37

 http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Bitcoin-ASIC-Miner-USB-Block-Erupter-333MH-s-IN-HAND-Same-day-shipping-/111172616545?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19e2678161


I get 2% in ebucks I get 2 % if I use my paypal ebay card  cost for this stick is .96 x 21.37 or $ 20.52    cheap easy and a 45 day safety net from ebay/paypal. 



contrast buying btc on ebay


http://www.ebay.com/itm/BITCOIN-Paper-Wallet-0-20-mailed-USPS-BTC-/151123207660?pt=US_World_Coins&hash=item232fa525ec


  .20 btc for 38 dollars       For the ebay shopper he or even she will get the stick over the paper .20 btc


Also many nay sayers don't understand ebay deals/bargains  and the ebay 'fiat'  ebucks.  you can only use your account to spend the ebuck in it and the ebuck must be spent on ebay.
  earning ebucks varies and specials of 4% or 6% vs standard 2% also occur.

 I buy US Post office Forever Stamps on ebay 2 to 3 thousand dollars a year from solid safe ebay sellers.

 I earn 2 or 4 percent and another 2 percent with the cc so 4 percent of 3 thousand is 120 ebucks.

With other purchases i would say I earn close to 200 in ebucks each year.   

Many ebayers joined ebay to late to be in the ebuck program and are not aware of it. 
 But I have had more then one buyer tell me they want to use ebucks to pay for an item can I wait until the day they get the ebucks.  The next ebuck payout day is oct 3rd.  Every 90 days for an ebuck payout.  I know my sales will pick up on the 2nd-10th of oct.
      So all the people that think an ebayer is loopy buying sticks for  a really high price  do not take this into account.  plus buying a few sticks is action. maybe the coins will go up to 1000 usd. And maybe I will get a hot streak with bitminter and mine 20% over norm for a week or 2.  Also AM sticks have resale value  guess where on ebay!

 So I don't knock Kano and what he preaches. I know he is a blind man with an elephant and the leg he touches is truly like a tree trunk. Preaching that an Elephant is like a tree trunk is a part truth.
45035  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [33 TH/s] BitMinter.com [ASIC support: var diff, Stratum, GBT, rollntime] on: September 20, 2013, 10:31:49 AM
Curious about the CDF rate.

Would increasing the hashing rate of the pool reduce the CDF?


 no but the variance would lesson.  that rate includes what you are hashing as part of the calculation of it.
45036  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [28 TH/s] BitMinter.com [ASIC support: var diff, Stratum, GBT, rollntime] on: September 20, 2013, 04:20:47 AM
  not going to do any group buys  ... but this reseller has a better deal then I can do.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297304.new#new   



I will just buy a few sticks for myself  as the deal above is better then I can do.
45037  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [OPEN] GB #1 BPMC Red Fury USB Miner 2.2~2.7 GH/s 0.80-0.88 BTC or $139 Paypal on: September 20, 2013, 04:18:37 AM
your pricing structure put me out of reselling sticks.  simple math.  the other sellers offer 20 sticks for .85 each  and 1 stick for .9 each.

  if I buy 20 sticks at .85 and sell 2 at 1.77   my profit was .07 btc.    and the guy buying 2 sticks from me saved .03 btc  ..

your  pricing of 1-20 at .88 means 2 sticks are .176  so I get no sales.  I have 0 incentive to buy from ssinc in amounts of 20 sticks. 

 while business is business you are hurting other resellers  like myself which in turn will hurt ssinc , dabs and Thomas_s   


I never begrudge anyone trying to make a buck  and I will link your post to the bitminter forum letting them know that small 2 stick sales would be cheaper with you.
45038  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [28 TH/s] BitMinter.com [ASIC support: var diff, Stratum, GBT, rollntime] on: September 20, 2013, 04:03:12 AM
To the guys worried about ROI on their hardware:
Alot of the doom and gloom is strictly predicated on the current BTC/USD exchange rate.
Bitcoin has come a looong way from $0.05 usd / btc to ~$125 usd / btc, so hang on to those bitcoins, an re-examine your mining investment in a year or too. I believe you will be satisfied !
That said, it is probably true that it is more lucrative just now to buy btc and hold than to mine.
I'm mining because I wanted to learn about BTC from "the trenches" so to speak, and don't regret it one bit.
Love the BitMinter !


we need guys like you.  this is why i try to sell the am sticks at a low markup on ebay with no preorders and now hopefully the newer 2.4gh sticks next month.  The only way btc will make out in the longer run is to have many small miners. yeah every talks about big investors and they have lots of power in anything they toss money at.  But if you have 5 million to invest in BTC maybe hoping to hold it a year and sell it for 6/7 million does it look like a better "stock" if it has lots of customers and room to grow.      
 Think McDonalds in 1970  a big investor sees room for growth and a large customer base.  Plus a new customer can start on the cheap (ie  a burger and fries).


  same concept  a new miner can get started with a few sticks.  
so
A) a no preorder stick is important
B) play n play is important
C) pretty low cost for a stick

McDonalds in 1970
A) fast food  a drive up window
B) you can start to eat it quickly
C) low price
 

Just 1 analogy   as to why a big investor may see putting money into btc  as a good move.
45039  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: September 20, 2013, 02:05:37 AM
Last 30 hour hashrate reading is at 58.23 and the 20 hour is at 73.90. Perhaps some new hardware is being deployed?

Why do we keep repeating this... Its called variance



it is because the swings are too sharp against variance. That is why most of us here are speculating about events happening in the farm.

Candoo is right, variance really can be this "sharp".


 huge swings are possible once you are less then 10% of the total pool 1 block in 1 day  is not that uncalled for.

6 blocks in 1 hour is the 'norm'  for the entire pool or about 144 blocks a day.  If you are 10 percent of the pool 14 blocks is common place or your norm.

 But here is a simple way of doing your odds. if you are at 10% of the network.  vs 5% of the network
  
1 miss is .90                                                                                       .95
2 miss is .81                                                                                         .902
3 = .729                                                                                             .857
4 = .656                                                                                                        .814
5= .5905                                                                                                       .773
6 = .5314   so at 10% you are about 47/100 to do 1  block in the first hour                .735 at 5% your are about 25 -75 to do 1 block in the first hour
7 = .4783                                                                                                      .698
8 = .4304                                                                                                      .663
9 = .3874                                                                                                      .630
10 = .3486                                                                                                     .598
11 = .3138                                                                                                     .568
12 = .284 at 10%  your are about 72/100  to do 1 block by 2 hours                        .540  at 5% your are about 46 /100 to  do 1 block by 2 hours
13 = .254                                                                                                       .513
14 = .2287                                                                                                     .487
15 = .2058                                                                                                     .463
16 = .185                                                                                                       .439
17 = .1667                                                                                                      .417
18 = .1501  at 10 % you are about 85 /100 to do 1 block by 3 hours                        .396  at 5% you are about 60/100 to do 1 block by 3 hours


the point is at 3 hours 10 % of the network vs 5 % of the network  allows a big difference for more then 2x as some would think.
45040  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [NOW OPEN] 0.83 - 0.9 BTC ~2.5 GH/s BPMC "RED FURY" USB MINERS! GB#9! on: September 20, 2013, 01:21:14 AM
I will not be selling these on eBay. Only directly to customers here and through my webstore.

If you are a eBay re-seller contact me for special bulk pricing and handling options.


I am gathering coins for a 20 stick buy.

I plan to order 20 a week sell 15-17 on ebay.

 I may try to set up a small buy for bitminter.com miners

 I  would like to order 20 run them for a day and sell them knowing they work.  I run the sticks on bitminter.com java client since it is the most newbe friendly client for mining. I sold a few hundred AM sticks on ebay like this trying to make it easy and fairly low cost for a new miner to get started.  I Should have my coins in order in 2-4 days.  I want sticks in hand  and pretested by me with my mining farm  to be able to sell on ebay as I believe this is the best way for a new miner to start up.  Send in a payment and the item ships out in 1 day. I don't mind doing a preorder to get started with stock.  But I want the ebayers to know I ship it out fast.

 This really worked well for me with the AM sticks. Since you have the earliest delivery date I am gathering coins to buy from you.  Knowing these work with bitminter.com java client  is a must.  BTW dr h of bitminter thinks they will since they are serial port com type devices
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