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2361  Other / Politics & Society / Re: HUMAN LIFE AND THE SOCIETY on: March 06, 2019, 09:03:08 PM
I think at this point, humans aren't just another species. We've been able to dominate other species for eons, and we're never going to go back to a species which is dominated by another. We're a species which has been able to coordinate with one another to create and destroy create things, we've made amazing agreements (constitutions in countries) that have lived on for hundreds of years and will continue to live in.

We've created items that can wipe out this entire globe multiple times over, but we've never used these items more than twice -- as we now know the atrocities which can come from this. I think that this fact alone shows that we're a civilization that knows we're going to stay here for a long time, and that we're going to have to work together to achieve that goal.

I can't think of our civilization as one that compares to animals, there's no way to do that in my mind.
2362  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What do you think about Ross Ulbricht, the SilkRoad and the drugwars in general? on: March 06, 2019, 04:37:11 PM
Their family foots the bill, or, they make an agreement to pay the bill off and are forced to work it off from prison if necessary, or the bill is limited to their shallow grave when they die.

Having fines if there is no harm or damage done is against the law, really. After all, if you want to commit suicide, let friends and family warn you... but nobody can really stop you without taking your freedom away... and nobody has the right to stop you when you are serious about it and have been firmly warned.

Ross should have gotten a fair trial. But the fairness should have started with his attorney telling him that he was contracting into the court and throwing himself on their mercy, simply by hiring an attorney.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread691102/pg1
http://www.gemworld.com/US--AttorneyClient.htm
http://understandcontractlawandyouwin.com/attorney-client-relationship/

Cool

But this would be new legislation would have to be passed in order to have something like, the current legislative state doesn't have these sort of provisions (at least to the best of my knowledge)

Well there is harm being done, and that is the harm caused by continuing to purchase drugs from the illegal marketplace and the damage that is caused by the health damage of using these drugs.

I don't know if anyone knows this off the top of his head, but was the case of Ross a bench trial or a jury trial? Because if I was him, I would without a doubt pick a bench trial to ensure that the letter of the law is used to charge me of my crimes by an expert instead of 9 people who don't really understand the law.

Current State legislation doesn't legalize the amount of shoe polish you have on your shoes, either. Get the State out of it altogether... except for warnings about the dangers.

If a person wants to shoot himself in the foot, is there a law against it? If so, that law is taking away freedom. The State should warn, only. If there is a claim of harm or damage, it should be taken to the courts, and the jury should rule on harm being done. As it is, it is harm being done by the State in taking away freedom through certain of the laws that the State makes.

Common law jury trial is 12 jurors. The question should always be about who was harmed. Show us the injury. Prove who did the injury. Ross was simply moving money in the same way any business person does. When you spend money at Walmart, some of that money is going to be used by some people to harm others. They don't hold you or Walmart responsible because somebody else did harm or damage with money that was yours at one time. In Ross's case, was there any harm or damage even shown, or was he found guilty because some money he handled might have harmed someone? What a legal joke!

Cool

Well there's no crime about shooting yourself in the foot, only if you were the person who had owned gun legally and had done it in your home. You also must not put anyone else in danger while doing this. It would have to be 100 percent accidental.

Didn't Ross also hire a hitman or something along those lines -- I'm not sure if I'm misremembering.

You're trying to compare TWO VERY DIFFERENT THINGS. You're attempting to compare Walmart, a public company that is at the whims of lawsuits and prosecution for their crimes. They're a company which must follow the letter of the law, and if they don't they will face the consequences (there is subjectivity to if the consequences are enough, but they do face them) You're comparing Walmart with Ross, someone who facilitated the drug sales to tens of thousands of people. Does Walmart sell drugs to people? No.
 
Oops, slip of the tongue by myself. But I was asking if Ross either had a bench trial or a jury trial.

2363  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What do you think about Ross Ulbricht, the SilkRoad and the drugwars in general? on: March 06, 2019, 03:02:27 PM
Their family foots the bill, or, they make an agreement to pay the bill off and are forced to work it off from prison if necessary, or the bill is limited to their shallow grave when they die.

Having fines if there is no harm or damage done is against the law, really. After all, if you want to commit suicide, let friends and family warn you... but nobody can really stop you without taking your freedom away... and nobody has the right to stop you when you are serious about it and have been firmly warned.

Ross should have gotten a fair trial. But the fairness should have started with his attorney telling him that he was contracting into the court and throwing himself on their mercy, simply by hiring an attorney.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread691102/pg1
http://www.gemworld.com/US--AttorneyClient.htm
http://understandcontractlawandyouwin.com/attorney-client-relationship/

Cool

But this would be new legislation would have to be passed in order to have something like, the current legislative state doesn't have these sort of provisions (at least to the best of my knowledge)

Well there is harm being done, and that is the harm caused by continuing to purchase drugs from the illegal marketplace and the damage that is caused by the health damage of using these drugs.

I don't know if anyone knows this off the top of his head, but was the case of Ross a bench trial or a jury trial? Because if I was him, I would without a doubt pick a bench trial to ensure that the letter of the law is used to charge me of my crimes by an expert instead of 9 people who don't really understand the law.
2364  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What do you think about Ross Ulbricht, the SilkRoad and the drugwars in general? on: March 06, 2019, 01:46:38 PM
I'm against prohibition. People should be able to put what they want into their own bodies. I actually think that prohibition should be illegal. I realize this will make the current drug problem worse, people squatting or just doing drugs in the street would be arrested and put into education camps. We could get the money for something like that by selling these drugs to the public.

As for Ross, well Ross knew the consequences of running a public drug distribution network. He got caught and now his life is over. So what I have no remorse for him whatsoever and why should I? Was the trial fair? Who gives a shit, he knew what the laws were and what would happen to him if he did get caught.

Then again, if people can put whatever drugs into their body that they want -- who's going to be footing the bill on their medical treatments and such. I don't think it's fair to force Americans to pay for all of this extra stuff. There's no way in my mind that this is going to be a popular policy.

I think it's completely fair to decriminalize and to only have fines for drugs (at least non-lethal ones) as a way to pay for the medical treatments necessary for drug usage.

Ross should have gotten a fair trial, that's what should be afforded to EVERY single American. Though people shouldn't give him sympathy for his sentence, he ran a drug cartel online that he reaped the rewards from and NOW he must reap the consequences of such acts. I do think that his case should really be looked over again though, as it is still your right to have a fair trial.
2365  Economy / Services / Re: [1 OPEN SLOT] ChipMixer Signature Campaign | 0.00075 BTC/post on: March 06, 2019, 01:17:25 PM
Username: 1miau
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Accepted, please PM me once you change your signature.

Campaign is full now but I *might* have open spots next week. Thanks to everyone for applying.

Wow, I thought I was a good poster. But after reading through some of your posts, 1miau, I've come to notice that YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY AN AMAZING POSTER. Without a doubt the most well deserving out of all of us.

Wish ya luck!
2366  Other / Politics & Society / Re: MMT: The US government does NOT have to add taxes to add spending on: March 06, 2019, 05:19:06 AM
Well yes, the US government doesn't have to add taxes in order to add spending. Though if you don't do this, all the US is going to have to do is BORROW MORE MONEY and allow for the national debt to further be increased.

That's not something that the US should be doing if they want to increase the amount of spending. That's the path that leads countries into printing more money to pay off their debts, leading to massive inflation, and then an overall demise of FIAT currency and the collapsing of an entire countries economic system. I mean, if that's what you think is successful (like Venezuela) then so be it.

But in my mind, I'd rather this scenario not occur. Don't increase spending, and if you must then offset it with spending cut somewhere else.
2367  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: People who gamble are degenerates, change my mind. on: March 06, 2019, 05:10:57 AM
Gambling may be bad but it's also another way to enjoy life and you must have limitation when gambling. Start with the money you afford to lose so that you still have money. Having strategy can also help you think gambling is not all about bringing a negative impact on your life. Stay Posirive, avoid getting involved too much.

As I said originally, I'm not talking about the holiday betters or the people that do it just because the people in the office are doing it just to fit in. I'm talking about the people who are nonstop about the fact that they have a 'sure thing' or that this is the game that's going to turn them around. Stuff like that.

There's no real way for this sort of gambler to be able to keep it without the emotions, as they thrive off of the winnings and the losses and never are able to quench the thirst of gambling. It's a never ending battle that you're never going to be able to fully leave unless you go COLD TURKEY.

This normalization of certain types of betting: Be it DraftKings or one of those weekly sports betting, or just some random bets you'd make at school with some friends are going to be the downfall of this newest generation.
2368  Other / Politics & Society / Re: It looks as if Guaido's lot burnt the aid truck. on: March 06, 2019, 04:18:08 AM
This is ridiculous propaganda.

I mean at this point, I don't even know why we're surprised about this sort of action from Jet Cash. He's someone who thinks that the policy of Venezuela are successful, and would rather have them present in the United States than the policies which are currently present. Now don't get me wrong, I do understand that the policy of the US does have its faults -- but there is no way that this compares to the horrible policy that is the socialist country of Venezuela.

There's no way in my mind that I can see eye to eye with someone who calls for and I quote below

Maybe it is time for Venezuela to invade America to force regime change. That is obviously an unreasonable and eccentric comment, but please stop and reflect on the possibility of a sliver of an underlying benefit in the action.

America isn't forcing a regime change in Venezuela, and Guaido isn't an illegitimate President. Maduro is an illegitimate President that shouldn't be allowed to be in office. He has stacked his legislative and judicial bodies (WHICH ARE SUPPOSED TO BE CHECKS ON HIS POWER) with his own cronies from his party.

He should be removed by his own people, I see no issue with the US attempting to give the legitimate President of Venezuela aid that the people so desperately need.
2369  Economy / Gambling discussion / People who gamble are degenerates, change my mind. on: March 06, 2019, 02:47:58 AM
I know my statement may sound pretty hostile on this part of the board, though I'm not talking about the person who will buy a superbowl box or makes a friendly bet with someone over one big game. I think the degenerates are the people sitting around gambling on every game they can possibly gamble on.

I have friends like this, people that will gamble on Mexican Womens Tennis if they can win (or most likely lose) some money on the game. It's a crushing addicition that we've normalized in our culture to make it seem like it's just apart of life. It shouldn't be, and children at a young age should be stopped from gambling until they know the horrible outcomes that gambling can cause. I support every effort by regulators to stem out the bad actors in the gambling field in order to stop children from being hooked on this.

I'd like one of you to change my mind, or at least make me think different about gambling. Because as of right now, I have a pretty negative view on it.
2370  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The US debt ceiling ends today on: March 05, 2019, 08:39:05 PM
Another alternative would be to take control of their own finances by nationalising the US central bank.

I think JFK had it right with Executive Order 11110.  It's a shame he was murdered before it could see fruition and every president since has been unwilling to correct this travesty to the American people.

Jim Marrs, in his book Crossfire, presented the theory that Kennedy was trying to rein in the power of the Federal Reserve, and that forces opposed to such action might have played at least some part in the assassination.[16][17][18] Marrs alleges that the issuance of Executive Order 11110 was an effort by Kennedy to transfer power from the Federal Reserve to the United States Department of the Treasury by replacing Federal Reserve Notes with silver certificates.

I think every president preceding him noticed that if they wanted to be alive for more than a couple days after they issue the order, it's best of for them to just forget about it.

But back to the topic.

The US debt ceiling is never going to stop being pushed up, there is no real way for politicians to be able to get reelected on the basis of fixing the debt problem in this country. Yes, I do understand that some do, but there's no way that a majority is getting elected on this issue. People care a lot more about their safety (military), their welfare programs, their social security, healthcare, etc for this to be a major issue to them.

This is the type of issue that people feel like they can just kick the can on and hope the next generation does something drastic to fix the problem. I don't agree with this, but I'm someone who is realistic about solving these issues.
2371  Other / Politics & Society / Re: De-monetization of basic life requirements and beyond. on: March 05, 2019, 08:35:45 PM
People do forget that there is no real demonetization going on, it's a shifting of where the payment is coming from. As when you go on youtube and watch cute cat videos as part of your entertainment instead of watching a movie at a theater -- you're the person that is being monetized. Ads are being pushed on you to buy items, so people are still making money from you from your entertainment -- just in a different way than before. So now you're not directly paying for the item, though you are paying with the information about you which is being sold to marketers to sell to you.

There is without a doubt a lot of fat to be cut in certain industries -- such as in the auto industry. This is an industry which is plagued with middlemen which are just making the process more expensive when it doesn't need to be so. In a perfect world, you could buy directly from the manufacturer and save upwards of 15-20 percent on buying a new car (I'd have to look into the link for the study of this) Though car dealerships have long lobbied against this happening. People also fail to understand that there is LITTLE TO NO REASON TO EVER BUY A NEW CAR. Always buy used, and buy something that isn't going to be expensive to fix (Toyota)

Housing -- I can't think of any way to do this off the top of my head, I'd have to look into it further.

The current EDU system is the biggest scam in all of America (and the rest of the world for that matter) You go to class for years to get a piece of paper showing that you learned how to do x, but when you get a job you really have no real clue how to do that sort of work and you're going to be learning most if not everything on the job. I'm not saying higher education is useless, though there must be a better and cheaper way to do this.

That's my 2c.
2372  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Rats, Public Defecation And Open Drug Use on: March 05, 2019, 08:24:58 PM
Yutube search on "San Francisco homeless."     Cool

I have friends that live in the Bay Area and for the life of me I have no idea why.  They live in aging million dollar homes that where I live would be torn down.  They dodge piles of human feces on the ground when walking down the street on a night out.  Their trash cans get rummaged, their yards get crapped in, and they are accustomed to being begged for money.  There is no better example of the failure of liberal politics in my eyes.  It amazes me that these people actually want to see the rest of the country move in this direction and lambast the middle Americans that want no part of this lifestyle.  

There's no reason, in my mind, for the type of taxes which are present in those sorts of areas. I don't know why anyone would want to live there, and be exposed to the horrible cost of living AND THE HORRIBLE LIVING EXPERIENCE.

I would understand this mentality if people were paying a good amount of money to live in an area that is beautiful and has good work opportunities for them. San Fran (and the rest of the Cal high COL) cities only have the jobs aspect.

In all of these areas all that happens is that they continue to elect the same horrible liberal politicians that put them into this mess, and then complain about the high taxes the problems they have. But then again, I guess that's why everyone is moving to Republican states that are enacting policies that are good for the workers (with amazing wage growth, more job opportunities,etc) and companies that are flocking to these states.

Jet Cash -- even if the US is so bad, I CAN ASSURE YOU that Venezuela is 100000x times worse. There's no way that an inflation rate of 1m percent a year, people starving, elections rigged, etc -- can be as bad as the USA.
2373  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The legitimate Venezuelan government is black - is that the problem? on: March 05, 2019, 12:48:20 AM
Well all I have to go on is the multitude of conflicting reports. I do read that the elections in Venezuela were subject to international scrutiny, and all the reports seem to indicate that they were legitimate and well run. That rather avoids the point that it is no business of Wshington to interfere in them anyway, and certainly not to try to foist a George Washington school of regime change graduate on the country.

I'm interested to see your comment about my being racist, and this seems to be the cry of people who are losing arguments. My comment was a simple statement of reported fact - there are more "people of colour" in Maduro's government, than there are in the pseudo-government of the Trojan Horse jockey. btw, I believe that the PC phrase "people of colour" is more racist than referring to people as black, or dark skinned.

The world perception seems to be shifting over to the belief that the 3rd world country of America has a worse, and more corrupt, political system under the rule of Washington than the current situation in Venezuela. I've just watched a thought provoking video -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhYxkFakE98
I can't comment on it, as I need to do a bit more research and reading, but it wouldn't surprise me if there was a move to break up the Union to free Americans from slavery under Washington. It ties in with the general populist movement that is growing around the world.

As you stated before in your title

"The legitimate Venezuelan government is black - is that the problem" Which is referencing the fact that Western nations (particularly Trumps administration) have an issue with a black government and want to replace him. That's what YOUR saying Jet Cash, and that is an obviously racist statement. You're not even trying to hide it anymore.

The election wasn't well run, and the only people stating that are the people that are on the Maduro team - everyone else is saying that they were OBVIOUSLY illegitimate and a sham. You're simply beleiving an illegitimate government just because that's what supports your narrative.

I'm not going to comment on the US corruption, as I don't know why you feel the need to throw in other random points as a way to recover from your losing argument.
2374  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The legitimate Venezuelan government is black - is that the problem? on: March 04, 2019, 12:43:23 AM
No. The only people that REALLY see race, are the racist. When I'm electing someone, I look at their promises on policy, I don't even care what the color of the skin is or their gender. You are the racist here JetCash.

You don't understand anything about what is going on in Venezuela, nor what the government is. In 2017, Maduro voiced his own personal disproval for the National Assembly of Venezuela (which is President Guaido, is from) as they had shown oppositions to his government -- Maduro has convened a new election for ANOTHER legislative body which is called the "Constituent Assembly" Opposition leaders had called this a sham, and had said that Maduro is attempting to form a dictatorship.

Opposition leaders boycotted this election in protest of Maduro, as he doesn't have the authority to simply dissolve a branch of governement (which is like pratically removing a check on your power, further allowing you to run the country without the peoples input) Without opposition in the election, this new legislative body has 503 members that are all apart of Maduros party.

Maduro even agreed that this government is a sham when he stated
On 11 October 2017 days before the Venezuela's regional elections, President Maduro stated that governors elected will only remain in power if they are subordinate to the ANC, telling voters that "everyone who votes ... recognizes the power of the Constituent National Assembly, because it is what convenes and organizes (the election)".

The election was further shown to be illegitimate when you look at polls of people who supported the measure to dissolve the current legislative body and replace them with a new one (one which would support Maduro) as it shows that only 20 percent supported the move.

If you need more evidence, though I don't think you will even care Jet Cash, the company who provided the voting machines (a Venezuelan-owned company nonetheless) stated that results were tampered with to give Maduro more of a factory. Independent analysis showed that real voter turnout to this election were approximately 11-20 percent, while Maduros government stated that 40 percent of people voted.

This election was not only an illegitimate one to begin with, Maduro further went and tampered with the vote by a couple million to ensure that he wouldn't lose in his sham election.

If you actually believe that Maduro is a legitimate President, you have a problem rationalizing evidence.
2375  Economy / Services / Re: [1 OPEN SLOT] ChipMixer Signature Campaign | 0.00075 BTC/post on: March 02, 2019, 10:48:51 PM
Username: squatz1
Post Count: 2581
BTC Address (must be SegWit): 34bSFkfFcEK5eDDkqAo8iaChaXpDmrQxqw

Will change info if selected, hopefully I can be apart of your team DS!
2376  Economy / Reputation / Re: Community opinion on Signature campaign spreadsheets on: March 01, 2019, 07:43:18 AM
Quote
This is probably because they are asking potential participants to wear the signature to even apply, and do not appear to be accepting everyone

I always thought this was scammy practice, as a lot of campaigns do it and then only respond to someone on if they've been accepted  weeks later. Wasting the time of the people who were trying to join, and other campaign managers for not having a larger talent pool.
2377  Other / Meta / Re: Why do we have so many spam threads in P&S? on: March 01, 2019, 06:40:51 AM
What does everyone else think?

That he is like that black dot on the mirror you always try to ignore at first and after a while you're surprised is gone Tongue

The guy has been there as far as I can remember, with the same nonsense and the same lack of interacting with anyone that falls for the bait and posts there. As far as his posts are contained in his own topics, ignore him and let him voice his "opinions".

I don't think that 'ignore' is the right answer to this, because we take the conspiracy theories to a new high when we allow such horrible posts.

We don't ban here proven scammers, you think we are going to ban someone for voicing his opinion, no matter how insane it is?




This is fair then, maybe I was under a false assumption that these threads were a little too out of line and deviated too far from the regular stuff posted in the board. I'll without a doubt just ignore the user and live life.

I see that there's no real reason to silence him or move him, as he doesn't cause trouble.

Thanks folks! You've made me see the other side of things.
2378  Other / Meta / Re: Why do we have so many spam threads in P&S? on: February 28, 2019, 05:07:36 AM
but he's also the ONLY PERSON.

If he's the only person than there is really no harm in letting him bounce around his own little virtual rubber room.  Better he shits in a few of his own threads than spraying verbal bullshit all over the forum!

...like an area where bullshit conspiracies thrive.

Not sure if you and I are in the same sub or not but it literally is an area where bullshit conspiracies thrive. It's pretty much the unwritten name of the board IMO.  I'd be interested in any thread in the board that is over a few pages long that doesn't have some reference to some wacky horse shit that is made up!  The aggressive posters are so vocal that I'm sure they drive away less confrontation oriented users, I know I post a little less these days with the current group of aggressive users who lack the ability to listen to the other side!

We're not that at all, we're a board with great discussions and a wonderful group of members.

There is definitely a broad range of users on the board and some of them are wonderful but lets be honest there are some pretty special folks around and they seem to gravitate to our board!

I just want to stress the fact that you're a good moderator, and you've done some real good to the section. We're without a doubt much better with you, than without you!

I mean don't get me wrong, I may have worded that a little awkwardely. But -- the stuff that he individually post is without a doubt much worse than some of the stuff that is said on our boards. He's a guy that doesn't interact with any other member in P&S and is given the ability to just chat random amounts of shit without recourse.

I don't think that 'ignore' is the right answer to this, because we take the conspiracy theories to a new high when we allow such horrible posts.
2379  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Where is a good place to play slots? on: February 28, 2019, 03:35:27 AM
Why the hell would you want to play slots?

Worst existing odds, not fair at all. No transparency, no gameplay...
No bot no automatization no script no strategy...

I just don't understand Oo

EXACTLY.

Out of all of the ways that you currently have at your disposal to lose money, you pick SLOTS -- which means that you're going to be giving the house the best odds during this. If you want to get some real odds, do some dice role on sites with a good edge.

Slots is a waste, avoid.
2380  Economy / Gambling / Re: Free betting contest and new platform kings.ag on: February 28, 2019, 03:00:34 AM
Did you guys even read or check what this is all about? it's a free betting contest this means you don't have to pay anything and you can also win free money.
Lol.
Did you just say free?
Nothing is fuckin free mate... Continue using it. If you don't up downloading malware inform of wallets or load malicious scripts then you data will be stolen. Do not be so blind and naive.

Oh, and what kind of serious company/project uses a red trusted member to advertise for them yet we have so many clean trusted members here?

+1 on this.

This is most likely going to be a way to spread some sort of malware, as they're offering an official wallet on here which is NOT something that is typically done by betting companies (at least in a whole separate app) They're either going to steal your coins through this app, OR through just you depositing on their website and having no ability to play.
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