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1401  Economy / Economics / Re: New Hampshire bill to allow taxes to be paid in Bitcoin falls short on: January 21, 2020, 11:43:44 PM
Tax levels are much, much, higher today than they were under the original vision of income taxes passed a little more than a century ago.

When you think about how all pervasive government has become it's quite staggering. It's in every single element of our entire lives. In some areas well over half the population will either by employed by government or is dependent on its handouts.

I'm sure if you'd shown that to the founding fathers they'd fucking puke.

It's gone way too far to roll back but having respect and prudence for public money would no doubt save vast amounts, let alone collecting it from the corporations exploiting the things government provides and weaselling out of paying their dues. Won't happen though.

The sad thing about the government employing tons of people is the reason that politicians do it. They made government so big so they can keep saying that the economy keeps growing. Cause if you spend tons of money to prop up the economy, by employing tons of people (and then these people owning homes, buying groceries, going to bars, etc) then the economy is going to be better then if you didn't.

Just for a moment I'm disregarding the people that are on welfare or any sort of handout.

But think about -- we as a society rely on the US to employ all of these people or we'd be fucked. Because if you cut all these jobs businesses would fail (cant go to the local pizza place if you got fired, or the local movie theater, etc) So even if you don't directly rely on the government funding (as an employee or welfare recipient -- you still rely on the government in someway.
1402  Economy / Economics / Re: USD / Crypto Pairing question on: January 21, 2020, 11:09:34 PM
That doesn't change the fact that there is only only 3 BTC buy order for it does it?

If I understood it right, I think that this may be the "error".

If somebody pushes the price up so badly the BTC buy orders will change, in a way or another:
* some will simply remove them
* some will change them and offer more for $SHIT
Obviously some could remain untouched, but they will be obsolete (too small the offer for now pumped $SHIT) and nobody expects them to be filled.

Now the "official" market price of $SHIT is 1$ and the old unfilled BTC orders won't change that.
And since USDT can be exchanged into Bitcoin easily, the old BTC orders don't affect / matter anymore. As I said, they may be superseded by newer and more expensive buy orders.


All of this can just be explained in one word. Arbitrage. If there was a arbitrage opportunity present, say the USDT verison for Bitcoin was $1000 less then the USD verison of it. That would cause people to (very quickly) correct this. They'd make some money at first, but they'd slowly fill the gap. This is why this sort of thing may happen, but it doesn't last for long.

This is why people may say that this doesn't even happen, because bots are going to clean this up pretty quickly to make some fast cash.s
1403  Economy / Reputation / Re: ChipMixer applicants on 2020w3 (19Jan2020) on: January 21, 2020, 07:47:06 PM
First off wanted to say that this is some great work. +Merited for all the work and stuff, I appreciate it.
Wow, that's a heck of a lot of work you did there!

Turns out I'm the biggest merit earner in some pretty questionable important sections:

Politics & Society
ANNs( Alts)
Off-topic
Archival (tied for 1st)

 Cool

I don't even remember what I got merits for in Off-Topic. It must mostly be for combatting notbatman in the Flat Earth thread.

I don't know if its just because I'm a bit slow and missed this info in the thread or if you pulled this from elsewhere but pretty curious on where I'm at for P&S. I'd think that I'm pretty high up there for just P&S, that's mostly where I chill in.
1404  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What news sources do ya guys use? on: January 21, 2020, 07:33:40 PM
Used Google News for awhile on my phone. Was fine, but I'd rather just pay for WSJ and read that. Wasn't a big fan of Google News 'curating' my news. Never really understood why anyone would like that, sounded like facebook with a ton of people posting bullshit all day.

After I blocked the bullshit what remains is a set of news sources that I want to read - including WSJ but also others, all in one place, including local news for a couple of different places that visit a lot. I like that. It helps when there is a controversial topic and multiple sources report it in slightly (or significantly) different ways. I even got Fox News on it for the lulz in-depth reporting on AOC that I couldn't possibly get anywhere else.

I guess this would help, though this does take a bit of work to ensure that all the bullshit is removed from your Google News. Just cause I'm curious, what providers of news do you leave on your google news? I was always so angry with all the bullshit that they were hitting me with, from VanityFair or Vice or whatever.

I'd be willing to give it another try, just would be nice to see who you use and then I'd continue to adjust my GN from there. Thanks SuchMoon.
1405  Economy / Economics / Re: Cryptocurrency Shines as US Mortgage Debt Exceeds 2008 Levels on: January 21, 2020, 04:04:24 PM
I wouldn't say that the Mortgage Debt is the biggest issue at the moment, as the biggest reason for something like that increasing would be because there are more homebuyers because there are more people being born, growing up, getting through school, buying homes, etc. So a stat like that isn't helpful because it isn't 'per capita'

I've obtained some pretty helpful data though, which compares certain things about the US mortgage market from 2008 to now. The source is Experian, one of the credit reporting agencies, so they're an authority on the topic (see here - https://www.experian.com/blogs/ask-experian/how-much-americans-owe-on-their-mortgages-in-every-state/)

The biggest takeaway from this info is that delinquency rates are pretty stablen right now,and NOWHERE NEAR the 2.4 percent delinquency of the 2008 mortgage crisis. Even as of the last couple years, less and less people are delinquent on paying for their mortgage.
1406  Economy / Economics / Re: Venezuela Is Now More Than 50% Dollarized, Study Finds on: January 21, 2020, 02:58:59 PM
I do not think that the reports that talk about the economic situation in Venezuela will be very accurate. Many political events make the possible inflating of statistics.

Also, the reason why Bitcoin is not used does not seem logical. Bitcoin is used for investment, so the power cut will not be a source of concern, especially with the fluctuation of the currency. You also need a little energy (10 Min enough for phone/PC) to send or receive currencies.

Also, you will not need the Internet and other restrictions.

Accurate on whos side? The reporters from the West who are going to talk about it in a negative way (which it should be reported as, because the situation is bad)

The Venezuelans are probably saying that everything is okay and that nothing could be better right about now (which yet again, couldn't be farther from the truth) The situation in Venezuela is bad, and it's bad because of their government. This is what socialism and communism does to a country.
1407  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Forget World War 3 Protestors are already killing country’s economy. on: January 21, 2020, 04:01:26 AM
I didn't read the articles, but you need to realise that becoming a full time protester is a career choice these days. Globalists like Soros pay monthly retainers to activists, and bonuses when they stir up trouble for national economies. It is reported that the failed businesswoman, Gina Miller, receives £millions from Soros to attempt to mess up Brexit. This is using the legal system for active destruction. The less able just stir up trouble to cause physical destruction and unrest.

I mean while I'd love to just sit here and shit on Soros for being a dick, neither one of us can sit here and say that it's only Soros and the globalists are doing this. Both sides are going this, it's warfare by proxy and it's working to cause issues in the country. Even if the goals of the protestors are never enacted, just causing issues for the country at hand is all these people want to do.

There's always money in chaos.

Global economy is pretty solid right now though, that's the one thing that kinda puts this whole thing away.
1408  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Virginia Governor Declares states of emergency because of GUNS RIGHTS RALLY on: January 21, 2020, 03:54:10 AM
Predictions:

- nothing notable or interesting will happen at the gun nut festival
- there will not be a Civil War in the next several decades or perhaps century
- life will not noticeably change after more gun laws are implemented across the country

If nothing notable is likely to happen, what is the state of emergency for?
It is difficult to take away someone's rights in one 'swoop', it is far easier to take away rights incrementally and over time.


It doesn't appear that there were any violent incidents, nor notable arrests at the rallies today. There is a satirical article by the babylon bee saying that reporters held a moment of silence because there wasn't any violence at the capital in Richmond, VA today. 

Good to hear, this could've gotten pretty bad pretty quickly if one disgruntled member of the 2nd A group got angry and started to take things out on people. Which wouldn't be good for either side. It also would've sucked if there was some undercover ANTIFA trying to make the 2nd A people look bad.

But this is exactly what a protest should be, and this should make some of the members of the Virgina legislature (and Governor) think twice about the laws that they're going to be changing.

ALSO: If it doesn't change the thoughts of the legislature and the Governor, then Republicans have to ride this wave of support into the next election. They have to put out ads saying this is what happens when you let dems control the legislature. It's a winning narrative, you just have to stick with it.
1409  Economy / Economics / Re: Chinese New Year - Crypto Market on: January 21, 2020, 03:43:01 AM
This isn't a real thing, the Chinese new year has no effect on the crypto market or anything along those lines. None of these things have any sort of effect on the market -- the Wall Street bonuses don't do anything, nor do some random holiday in the middle of Indonesia, nor does some random law passed in some no name country.

The only thing you could convince me of effecting the crypto price (and the stock market price) would be the end of year tax loss harvesting in Crypto (and in traditional stocks)

But in reality this doesn't mean anything, Crypto goes up and crypto goes down, just like the stock market. People just write news on 'why' after the fact which is typically bullshit and made up.
1410  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin Can Gain 100% In 2020 - Halving Not Priced In, Says Fundstrat on: January 19, 2020, 04:21:47 PM
Oh isn't that crazy, a guy who owns a lot of Bitcoin thinks that the price of bitcoin is going to go up? Oh, also his clients own a lot of bitcoin so it makes the most sense for them to want this coin to keep moving up.

This is like asking someone who owns a lot of a particular stock, if they think their stock is going to go up. Obviously they're going to say yes, that's what they own it. They can try to back it up with whatever kind of bullshit they want, but it doesn't do anything.

All of this can go up down or sideways, we don't know what way it's going to go and if someone did know the future they'd be all in at this point (or waiting for the time to strike)
1411  Economy / Economics / Re: Stance on bitcoin's effect towards the Global Economy on: January 19, 2020, 04:01:45 PM
I have said this before, and I will say it again, the existence of bitcoin or crypto alone won't help a failing economy. Nonetheless, given how the whole World is going through a recession for years now, and also living in widespread ignorance that recession isn't here yet, rather, its coming in the near future. The World is at its brink of an economic collapse, the global debt is increasing by the day, AND we are, or at least we were almost on the verge of another World War, and 2020 just hasn't gotten to a very solid start people were expecting.

With that said, I wanna hear constructive opinions/predictions/speculations, on how things are gonna end up by the end of this year, and this decade. How is the GDP gonna get affected by everything happening, how are countries going to survive recession, and what is to say that we won't suffer through the Great Depression Phase 2? And most importantly, how is crypto going to come out of this?  

Edit: I forgot to self-mod this topic, so if you spam, I will report you, and get the post deleted.

Where'd you get the info on the world being in a recession for years now? If you're talking about our debt, and things like that that's one thing, but the economy is growing and isn't in a recession right now.

Recession (Defined by Google) - a period of temporary economic decline during which trade and industrial activity are reduced, generally identified by a fall in GDP in two successive quarters.

People are always going to be talking about another recession when one happens. We've heard that another recession is coming for every year since 2008, and we're now in 2020 and there are no signs of a recession. The only talking points among people who think one is coming point to the China Trade Deal, other trade deal issues, etc.

Literally for the past 12 years, people have been hitting the alarm bells and saying that the RECESSION IS COMING and how you should pull your money out of your investments and such, people don't understand that in the traditional investments of stocks and bonds and all that you're going to be unable to time the market. Though I must say, a lot of this comes from my interest in traditional banking as well, so yeah.

But I do think that Crypto is going to be a force, but it's going to have to make itself EASY for people. The fiat on ramps have to be easy to work with, people have to have wallets that aren't hard to use, there has to be a USECASE for them, and things along those lines. We can't all just be speculating on Crypto going up, that doesn't help anyone and it doesn't improve adoption.
1412  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin to Precious Metals Companies on: January 19, 2020, 07:10:34 AM
Just to ask here, are you talking about physical gold or digital gold (backed by physical gold)

If physical gold --> https://www.buybitcoinworldwide.com/buy-gold/bitcoin/ -- Pretty solid list of companies that accept BTC (and other cryptos) for precious metals purchases.

If digital gold --> I'd proceed with caution, though PAX GOLD does seem like one of the more legitimate players in the market.
1413  Economy / Services / Re: [1-4 SLOTS OPEN] ChipMixer Signature Campaign | Sr Member+ | Up to 0.0375 BTC/w on: January 19, 2020, 07:07:47 AM
Username: squatz1
Post Count: 3536
BTC Address (must be SegWit):bc1qes5hwgyc85xll85lk7jym7vl4r26xtlty5zl82

LETS GET THE PARTY STARTED BOYS AND GALS! Thanks for the chance and goodluck to everyone here, this is going to be interesting.

I'm pretty active in the P&S section, though I'm going into other sections more and more now. Merit source in that section.
1414  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: So I created a Trading bot and it's doing 8% a month on: January 17, 2020, 05:01:58 PM
What I do add value to is seeing trusted/well known people praise a service.
I doubt any trusted/well known forum member would put his reputation in line and praise a service that can work today perfectly and make everyone go negative tomorrow.People just need to be aware of the risks before entrusting their funds to a third-party, but that's just my opinion.


Question for @OP, do you take a fee from people's profit made from your bot? If no,what is your business model? How you benefit from people using your bot?

Yes I take 1%, but not from your profit, from the total profit so when we make 9% in a month I make it 8% for everyone.

Good question, thank you!

I'm just doing to come in and join all of the YoBit spammers in shitting all over this.

You're not making 9 percent a month, something like that would be unsustainable. If you were able to make this sort of money, consistentley and without a good deal of risk you wouldn't be sharing it with other people. This is either an investment bot that you got lucky with a few times and now you think it's your golden goose, or you're just starting a literal ponzi scheme.

Just to further on this, if you were able to make 9 percent a month that would be annualized to about 151 percent per year. Yet again I stress that you'd be managing the money of the billionaires if this was legitimate (which it isn't) This is bullshit, and you're a scammer.

Reported. Please don't fall for this folks.

Thanks for the opinion, I started 6 months ago, definitely will manage that kind of money in the future, thanks for the heads up

If you don't mind me asking, how much money do you have under management right about now? Is that something you'd be at liberty to answer?

Anyway you can provide your first trades from 6 months ago so we can audit the 8 percent a month claim. I'd love to see all of this, and you'd be able to show that you're legitimate -- which at the moment this looks pretty bad.
1415  Economy / Economics / Re: New Hampshire bill to allow taxes to be paid in Bitcoin falls short on: January 17, 2020, 04:29:50 PM
While it does make sense in our mind to spend some resources on it. I still don't understand this from a government point of view. What do they gain from it? People are going to be paying their taxes either way, they don't have a choice, it's not like they're opening a new market or gaining new consumers of a product -- they tax people regardless of if they use bitcoin or not.

It sounds great in principle to all of this, but it's really a good deal of wasting resources and stuff when it comes down to the fact that people are going to be paying either way and have the ability to pay from a bank account / debit card / credit card (maybe in some areas)

It reduces friction. It's possible a few people might cough up where they might not have with the extra ball ache of returning to USD. Again it depends on the type of tax. I can well believe tons of people try to dodge capital gains. You can't really escape property taxes.

I mean when it comes to the 10 businesses using it, they're going to be paying things like sales tax, corporate tax, payroll taxes, etc. I'm assuming the only things the state allows them to pay in bitcoin is going to be (if there is corporate tax in the state of Ohio, then corporate tax) and state sales tax. The rest wouldn't work.

Sales tax is pretty simple -- cause all you're doing is remitting the money that you collected from purchases on a daily basis.

Corporate Tax is where you COULD (not legally) fudge the numbers.

Will it reduce the friction? Yes, that's without a doubt tree for the small amount of companies that deal in crypto. Is it worth it for the government to spend these resources? I don't think so, as people are going to have to pay these taxes either way.

I'd love to see it happen, I just don't see the pros for the other side.
1416  Economy / Economics / Re: New Hampshire bill to allow taxes to be paid in Bitcoin falls short on: January 17, 2020, 04:05:01 PM
But unfortunately, people were given the option, decided they didn't want to bother using it. The Ohio people decided it was too expensive to maintain a system that no-one is using. And New Hampshire looked at their experience and decided not to bother either.

You see a similar story with ecommerce. A business enables bitcoin. No-one uses it, but it's a hassle to maintain the wallets or maintain the upgrades demanded by the payment processors. And when the costs exceed the benefits, it gets removed.

The biggest problem with bitcoin is the community. People talk about how lovely it would be to have this that and the other, but never actually support anything with use.

I get where they're coming from. It's stupid to keep a portal open that is totally ignored. But there is an element of if you build it, they will come.

However it's a bit like merchant adoption or its use as a currency, people got it the wrong way around. Those'll be the last elements to arrive, not the first. Merchant adoption probably peaked in 2014 and has been going gradually downhill ever since.

Before earning and spending becomes commonplace it needs to settle in the store of value phase. Right now it's still pure betting and it's understandable why people don't want to give up their bet for bread and butter stuff.

The tricky part is the actual demand may arrive someday with nothing in place to serve it as all of it was abandoned years ago

While it does make sense in our mind to spend some resources on it. I still don't understand this from a government point of view. What do they gain from it? People are going to be paying their taxes either way, they don't have a choice, it's not like they're opening a new market or gaining new consumers of a product -- they tax people regardless of if they use bitcoin or not.

It sounds great in principle to all of this, but it's really a good deal of wasting resources and stuff when it comes down to the fact that people are going to be paying either way and have the ability to pay from a bank account / debit card / credit card (maybe in some areas)
1417  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump Tied Soleimani Hit To Support From GOP Hawks Ahead Of Impeachment Trial on: January 17, 2020, 04:01:08 PM
While I do not trust the Huff Post and those other networks, it is true indeed that he would have only been able to do this with the support of those "hawks". I would still say it was justified though, considering Soleimani was actually in Iraq for the sole purpose of causing unrest.

I think basically what happened was the hawks were already bloodthirsty and then the Iraq attack happened. So Trump ordered the hit and they allowed him to. I don't believe this is related to the impeachment, since causing a new war could ruin his chance of winning.

While this is something that could've been true. I highly doubt that Trump would've been able to convince military generals to go alongside this if they thought it was just a political hit. Soleimani was someone who killed Americans, and was most likely planning the death of many more Americans. Pretty sure this is what was going on.

Trump had caught wind of all of this after Iran had killed a US contractor.

While yes, at the end of the day Trump gets a political win from this. But first and foremost this is a military and strategic win.
1418  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: So I created a Trading bot and it's doing 8% a month on: January 17, 2020, 03:39:06 PM
What I do add value to is seeing trusted/well known people praise a service.
I doubt any trusted/well known forum member would put his reputation in line and praise a service that can work today perfectly and make everyone go negative tomorrow.People just need to be aware of the risks before entrusting their funds to a third-party, but that's just my opinion.


Question for @OP, do you take a fee from people's profit made from your bot? If no,what is your business model? How you benefit from people using your bot?

Yes I take 1%, but not from your profit, from the total profit so when we make 9% in a month I make it 8% for everyone.

Good question, thank you!

I'm just doing to come in and join all of the YoBit spammers in shitting all over this.

You're not making 9 percent a month, something like that would be unsustainable. If you were able to make this sort of money, consistentley and without a good deal of risk you wouldn't be sharing it with other people. This is either an investment bot that you got lucky with a few times and now you think it's your golden goose, or you're just starting a literal ponzi scheme.

Just to further on this, if you were able to make 9 percent a month that would be annualized to about 151 percent per year. Yet again I stress that you'd be managing the money of the billionaires if this was legitimate (which it isn't) This is bullshit, and you're a scammer.

Reported. Please don't fall for this folks.
1419  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Cryptocurrency and Society on: January 17, 2020, 02:49:20 PM
See that is the reason that a good deal of us got into Crypto, because we hated the antiquated system. We hated the fact that the governments control monetary policy and that they use it to overspend and put us into a large amount of debt. They work alongside the bankers to make them money, but they never care about the little guy. All the care about is getting reelected, and all you have to do for that is to either spend more to stimulate the economy or to cut taxes. (Typically, they don't cut taxes)

But the thing about the government giving up this is control is that I don't think it's going to happen as easily as we all talk about it. I've been in the space for a few years now, and people say the same thing about crypto taking over the monetary policy of the government and that it's going to happen every day now.

Right now we have to focus on building, making crypto easier for the people and making the fiat on ramps easier for the people. It shouldn't be so hard to get into crypto, and once you have it it shouldn't just be a speculative asset -- it should be something you should be able to use all the time. I can think of tons of merchants who would be ready to use it (if people did use Bitcoin) because a fee of less then 2 percent to convert it back to USD is much better then dealing with the credit card 2 percent fee, then another merchant fee, then chargebacks, etc.

Crypto can really be something. But we shouldn't start with "TAKING OVER THE GOVERNMENTS MONETARY POLICY" start with everyday transactions, remittances, and so on.
1420  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Virginia Governor Declares states of emergency because of GUNS RIGHTS RALLY on: January 17, 2020, 02:34:14 PM
Still don't see what the issue is for ME using it, if I'm someone who uses it for the (at least in my view) the intended purpose, which is to keep low effort BS out of my thread.

If people want to censor with it then so be it, just avoid those threads. While it may suck and be stupid, that is how it goes.

Your use of it normalizes and legitimizes it. I don't think it should be common or acceptable for anyone to use here. "Just avoid those threads" is not a viable solution. That would make sense if say some one was offended by content, not if they are being prevented form participating in discussion. Avoiding participating in a discussion you are being prevented from participating in is not a solution.

The only solution to your problem would be to talk to Theymos about getting that removed in this section. I'm going to keep using it. Still don't understand the resistance to it to be honest.

I don't live in the US but since this is a right guaranteed by the Constitution, isn't the governor doing something illegal? Usually with declarations of "state of emergency" comes emergency powers that might allow enforcers to break up rallies, right? From what I see these rallyists aren't doing anything illegal.

Mental illness checks are fine, but who's going to define what is and what isn't a mental illness to be able to deny me my constitutional right.

The thing is they define what an illness is based on whatever they like. When people tell you so-and-so makes someone "unfit" just point out that homosexuals used to be sent to insane asylums.
State of emergenices (declared by the Governor) most likely allow him to ban firearms from state grounds.
But in regards to gun controls, the legislature can pass whatever they want and then lawsuits would most likely happen to see if the law is constitutional or not. Though the SC leans towards certain parts of gun control being legal.
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