There are international SANCTIONS against trading with Iran, right now right? Obviously, this would only come into play if you were to deal with someone outside of Iran when doing this deal.

I just want to make it clear that you MAY be violating international sanctions if you were to involve an EU/US bank, or an EU/US person in this trade.

Exactly, people forget to notice the fungibility of money and that the leaders of these nations now don't have to spend the amount of money that charities and other governments contribute. Instead, they can use this on their own projects, corruption, and so on and so forth.

So now, instead of spending double on whatever they were spending on their people, public projects, and so on and so forth -- Now they're just able to keep business as usual because of other countries contributions in regard to the amount of money spent on their people.

Then they take the rest and pocket it. What a sham.

I wouldn't blame Africans for this though, I personally think I would blame charitable groups from stopping innovation from occurring due to their charitable efforts (which they don't even understand why they're detrimental)

Think of a scenario like this - You're someone that makes shoes in an African country, this is your business and your livelihood as of right now. You're currently growing your business, and hire more employees, buy more materials, and buy some machines to lower future costs with a current investment.

Then a charitable organization comes in armed with money from Western countries to 'save the Africans' and they donate millions of shoes to this country. Boom, you're out of business now and you've lost your livelihood.

This happens time and time again when charity groups 'help' and then people don't develop their own markets.

Wouldn't follow any of them tbh, most of them have been involved in some sort of scam where they've accepted money to promote a coin (while saying that they're not sponsored at all, which is horrible)

I know DataDash did this with SUB and received 200k (which he later claimed that he lost) in SUB to promote the coin. The coin obviously pumped after he started promoting it, and he probably made some good money as I highly doubt he actually lost anything. Was just a BS way to attempt to gain back some credibility.

Just do your own research.

True, this is one of the big problems with decentralized services right now. There's no real liquidity on them. The only P2P exchanges that have liqiduity are going to be LBC and Paxful -- though they're most likely at the whim of US and EU regulators so they're not going to try to sacrifice their business to get some BTC into Iran (and violate sanctions)

The only real way to skirt them is through decentralized service, btc atms, and earning money in btc. Though just remember that you are skirting sanctions and most likely violating international and Iranian law.

People think of many things.

Some think that the side effects outweigh the benefit for certain vaccines, which in certain cases MAY be fair. That'd be a choice that would be made for individual vaccines based on the history of side effects on your children. This is the portion that I understand.

There are some people that think that the people that are making and telling people to get vaccines are in this major effort to take over the world, that vaccines cause autism, and so on and so forth --> These are the people that should be ostracized by society.

So the two winners are either American Businesses (and the people that work for them) or Chinese businesses (and the Chinese government and the people that work for them for pennies for each day.

I'd much rather see Americans win, who've been taken advantage of by the Chinese for about 50+ years now. American policy allowed this to happen, and American policy should stop it.


Huawei isn't an awesome handy brand, they steal off of American companies in order to further their own goals. They don't innovate, they don't create their own products -- they leech off the back of those that work hard.

'Awesome' right?

Fiat. (Not saying I like Fiat more)

Even the Crypto stable coins aren't stable, look at something like Dai, Tether, etc -- which has been fluctuating between a couple of percent of their peg for some time. I think that if the USD falls, Bitcoin is going to have to go with it -- because at that point we're going through some sort of insane crisis that may take a LONG time to recover from.

Well yes of course, though I don't agree with this in the least -- though I do know that Trump will cave in order to get a deal on something like this.

The Chinese government is going to want Huawei to have their original market share -- that was in place before the ban -- so they can use their market power to probably backdoor stuff into European (and some American) networking, phones, etc. So this is going to be one of the things they want lifted to finish negotiations -- sad, but that's the truth of world trades.

Hopefully, we'll see some intellectual property protections enforced by the Chinese government after all of this -- I won't be holding my breath though.

Pretty simply -- more people wanted to buy Bitcoin then people that wanted to sell it, which would be in reverse if the price is going down. Pretty basic economics there folks.

There's probably some manipulation on the way up as well (as there is on the way down) -- this is the big reason the SEC won't allow for an ETF to go forward with Bitcoin due to the amount of manipulation certain exchanges can exert.

+1 to that. It's beyond expensive to actually attempt to climb Mt.Everest. As the cost is going to be around $45,000 -- which is just below the median yearly wage in the US, meaning that someone would have to be able to use $45,000 on a trip like this and then forgo any income that they'd be missing during this time.

This would mean that you'd have to have at least 100k to blow on such a trip, source here - https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/magazines/panache/why-the-only-thing-tougher-than-climbing-mt-everest-is-raising-the-fund-for-it/articleshow/46890443.cms

Pretty crazy to be done, though I don't think we should frown upon those with the means to do it. All I want is for them to clean it up after they're done.

While I will show some skepticism to say that yes, maybe this is a power move by the US to flex their dominance over the tech market -- but I cant see it as something like that personally, because these Chinese companies have simply ripped off American tech companies and have used their tech to undercut them. They should be punished for that, as it's not fair in the least to the companies in America.

Calling the US dumb isn't bright at all, China needs the US more than the US needs China. The US could simply divert their factories to other Asian countries, China could be left in the dust like this. There are many other countries in Asia that would love to have this lucrative business.

Huawei must be reigned down upon, they're not a good company in the least. They STEAL FROM OTHER COMPANIES AND RIF PEOPLE OFF.


US Presidents should have cracked down on Chinese violations a LONG time ago.

Ooh, thanks for this. I'll have to read this at some point.

Not surprised to see contrasting views, as the government is obviously going to want them banned for security concerns + there is probably pressure from the US to ban them in favor of US carries such as Cisco. Though the companies in question (that are India's telecom industry) want Huawei because their products are so cheap.

It's a mixture of profit and security which is going to be fun to read about.

Going to have to agree with this, Huawei is 100% working for and cooperating with the Chinese government. They've given them immense leeway when it comes to IP violations, and they're a mega company that has given the middle finger to many large US companies. You're going to have to be in bed with the Chinese government to get away with that sort of thing (or be encouraged, for that matter)


So what you're saying is that people noticed massive security flaws in Huawei machines, but because of price everyone turned a blind eye-- that's great to hear.

The real question is what isn't wrong with a company like Huawei. I'm beyond happy to see a company like Huawei removed from the US market.

Huawei, like most Chinese companies, leeches off of American companies and steal their tech -- because they are a Chinese company though they typically face zero retribution from the Chinese government, and the courts have to deal with their issues. For the record, in most other countries the country in question would protect global intellectual property (IP) but China doesn't do that, and that is one of the main things that Trump is attempting to clamp down on China for.

1. Cisco Patent Lawsuit -

 Huawei copied the source code of Cisco routers and switches to create their switches and then undercut Cisco in the market. It's pretty easy to undercut a company when you're stealing their tech, and you're able to cut out all of the research and development. It must be noted that most companies won't sue Chinese companies (like Cisco did here) because the Chinese owned national media companies will ruin you in the press. That is what was done here to Cisco, and Cisco even stated the following "the damage to Cisco's reputation in China outweighed any benefit achieved through the lawsuit"

2. T-Mobile Smartphone Testing Robot

Huawei yet again is stealing tech from another US company, this time they WALKED INTO T-MOBILES R&D FACILITY AND STOLE THEIR ROBOT. What they were going to do later was to reverse engineer this, and then use it on their phones so they wouldn't have to create this robot themselves. Huawei is ordered to pay 4.8m for industrial espionage.

Plus there are concerns that the Chinese government has a backdoor into their phones, and that Huawei is an agent of the Chinese government. Wouldn't be surprised if it came out that both claims are valid -- as they do seem to work alongside the government when it comes to stealing stuff from American companies (and the government protects them for it)


Check here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Huawei - for tons more of these stories.

I think it may be the only way to get a trade deal out of it -- as the EU pretty much feels that they can bully the UK simply because 'they probably won't leave who no deal, so they'll agree to something at some point.'

It may backfire, but it's the only thing they can try to get a deal as the deals before this have been pretty much BS by May.

Scorpio above me doesn't understand that when the people vote that means they've spoken -- a majority of the country voted to leave, and that means that its a clear decision by a majority of the electorate.

I don't think a no deal is a good idea too, but if it must be done, then it must be done. You're right about the fact that having trade barriers does make trade harder and such -- I do hope that there are no barriers to trade, and the UK can be given its sovereignty back instead of the EU telling them what to do.

We'll see what happens though.

You did read the other portion of what I stated though right, where I went into detail about the reasons that Tron is more susceptible to government intervention as that would be a simple phone call, or court order by US authorities. With Bitcoin, you'd have to spend a large deal of money -- plus the fact that you'd have to fight opposition with people attempting to fight back with their own hardware.

I'm going to be sticking with everything BTC for gambling and such. Not worth it to go with anything else IMO.

The best wallet to use in a circumstance like this is just going to be your own wallet, one which you fully control and have the private keys too. It's not going to make sense to use an exchange wallet, as you're going to get shut down very quickly if you do this.

I know most of the big exchanges, Gemini, Coinbase, Kraken, etc -- are going to ban you from their services if they see you deposit and withdraw (to their addresses, without another wallet in between) to gambling sites. They're going to be required to do this by law, and they don't want to face the scrutiny of the government for not doing it.

Just make a wallet on Electrum and send your deposits to there (mix it if you want, though probably not required) then use this as you please.

The cost of stopping Bitcoin would be much larger than simply telling the Tron board that it's time to be fixed. The problem isn't with the ability of the coin being stopped, because if the government wanted to they could buy tons and tons of ASIC miners and just do their own thing. Though this would spark people mining through their GPUs as an opposition.

It's a fact that it's much easier to take over the Tron network with a phone call and a court order, rather than trying to take over the decentralized BTC network.