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1601  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Vape Products Shouldn't be Banned on: November 28, 2019, 07:03:35 PM
This is while 480,000 people die annually due to cigarettes and only a handful of people have died from vape products -- which were illegally sourced THC concentrate vape products.
This is a false equivalence. Cigarettes have been around for over 100 years and there are a billion people who smoke them. Vaping has been around for 10 years and has a few million users. Most of the deaths from smoking come from diseases like lung cancer or COPD which can take years or decades to develop. It will be many years before the health risks of vaping are fully understood.

Furthermore, there have indeed been deaths from vaping which were using purely nicotine products and not THC products.

Everyone and their mothers knows that its much safer to just use nicotine and nicotine products such as JUUL instead of smoking cigarettes.
Sure, cigarettes are full of numerous horrible additives, but there are plenty of additives in vaping liquids and oils which aren't present in cigarettes and we have very little data for.

People are peddled this lie that JUUL might be worse for you then Cigs.
They might be. You can't say they aren't because we don't have the data yet.

And the honest answer is we don't know yet as we don't know the long term effects.
Exactly.

I don't think vaping products should be banned, because I don't think any drugs should be illegal. You should be free to put whatever you want in your own body provided you don't infringe on anybody else's rights while doing so, and you are fully prepared to pay for the (often very expensive) consequences, not least of them being the health problems. But don't go fooling yourself in to think that these products are safe

I think the biggest takeaway here is that the FDA is failing to regulate the space properly. Instead of doing proper testing on vape products, or ensuring that these random vape products follow the rules -- they just put an all out order to ban things (or a recommendation rather)

Vape products, when properly regulated, ensuring that the juices used aren't as harmful as cigarettes (or something along those lines) are a medical phenomenen and can be used to ease people off of cigarettes.

It's not even the fact that Cigs have been around for so long -- it's that we already know that they're bad and they're killing people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVM3M3o2Nao

Check this video out -- it's about how the FDA was going to endorse vaping but then stopped due to the fact that kids were getting hooked on ecigs. It's a great watch.
1602  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Your thoughts about Greta Thunberg on: November 28, 2019, 05:33:07 PM
This girl is a pawn, and shes used by people in order to further their goals. She's being used to attempt to put climate legislation at the forefront of the world legislation. People don't understand that if the US is going to do something to fight climate change, the rest of the world has to do something in order to make it worthwhile. There would be no reason for just the US to go ahead instead of China, India, and so on getting a free pass to pollute the Earth while the US has to lose out on things.

We'll see what happens with her in the coming months / years. That's the trust test of time.
1603  Economy / Economics / Re: Crypto Taxation on: November 28, 2019, 05:26:58 PM
KYC in itself isn't entirely a bad idea. It does prevent some fraud and adds another layer of security but still depends if the exchange is trustworthy enough. KYC could help retrieve coins sent to wrong address, on exchanges that implements KYC too could use these details to fix some issues. However, even though tax isn't also a bad thing (since it is necessary to have law enforcement and peace and order), I do also disagree on government's hot eyes on cryptocurrencies, especially now that they had seen its potential, it just looks like they just want to profit from these grounds.

I have to disagree.

KYC might not be entirely bad but it is entirely bad, if you know what I mean. We are here in the internet, in a cryptocurrency world where everyone came from different countries that have different identities, personalities, and so many more, that fact solidifies that KYC is not a good thing when it comes to privacy itself, it is like exchanges or anything that requires it are not that trustworthy for me, because look, they could do things they could even though without any KYC, yet they requires it.

And about the taxation in cryptocurrency, I am against it, because Governments should stay away and respect that cryptocurrency doesn't need one.

You're wrong here buddy, KYC is a good idea. It just has to be maintained well.

Every single bank in the world has to adhere to KYC to ensure that there is no money laundering occuring as that is somIf ething that people will abuse if given the chance.

If you want privacy, you're not going to be able to use an exchange that MUST use KYC.

But back onto the topic here:

A lot of people in this forum and in the crypto community think that they're able to avoid taxes by using Crypto or something along those lines. And we shouldn't embrace this narrative because that's not what we're here for. If people are using Crypto as an investment class (which many do) they should pay capital gains on it.

If people are using it as a way to facilitate business online they should pay the taxes on their services -- just like they SHOULD do in cash.
1604  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Billionaire vs Billionaire in the US 2020 Presidential Elections. on: November 28, 2019, 05:19:31 PM
1) To what extent will these two spend to defeat the other person, will their spending break the record of all the previous elections.
To the extent that the US law allows....plus more

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2) Will Russia switch loyalties and support Michale or will it continue to support Trump.

Trump still. Putin generally doesn't like MSM from the US and Trump has been vocal against some of these media outlets.

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3) Will these two attack each other’s past business deals, and make these elections more nastier than it was when Hillary was running as the democratic candidate.
I expect nothing less.


I mean these people hate the news outlets for different reasons. Putin hates them because they spew the truth about him and he isn't able to control the news in America like he controls it in Russia.

But Trump hates the MSM in the US (minus Fox, OANN, maybe the WSJ) because of the fact that they are always against him. They'll never say when he did a good thing and they'll spin everything he did likes hes the devil. That's why the 'orange man bad' memes are present and the hatred towards Trump will always be at an all time high.
1605  Other / Politics & Society / Vape Products Shouldn't be Banned on: November 28, 2019, 05:05:53 PM
We've all seen in the news in the US for the last couple months that all these different vape products and vape flavors are being put under increased scrutiny and being banned because of myths and misunderstandings put out by people.

This is while 480,000 people die annually due to cigarettes and only a handful of people have died from vape products -- which were illegally sourced THC concentrate vape products. Not even products such as JUUL, and other nicotine vape products.

Everyone and their mothers knows that its much safer to just use nicotine and nicotine products such as JUUL instead of smoking cigarettes. Cigarettes are beyond horrible for you. People are peddled this lie that JUUL might be worse for you then Cigs.

And the honest answer is we don't know yet as we don't know the long term effects. BUT -- if we already know that Cigs are horrible for you and we haven't had any issues with E-Cigs in their decade or so on the marketplace then I think I know which one we should go with.

Yes the Government should impose their regulations and their taxes on these products -- but come on guys lets fucking fix the problem of smoking and use E-Cigs to ease people off of Cigs instead of just pushing them back towards the worst legal product known to man.
1606  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Let’s decode Trumps Doctored Photo which he himself tweeted. on: November 28, 2019, 04:27:18 PM
Not much to decode here besides the fact that Trump thinks he's going to be able to 'win' the public opinion battle on this impeachment trial. He thinks that the House may go ahead and just censure him, not impeach him and he'll be able to ride on through a reelection campaign.

If we're going off of history here, it's not easy for an incumbent (the President) to win reelection because they're able to use the power of their office to win their reelection.

But I mean, nothing about President Trump -- an outside candidate -- is the norm so we can't really rely on history here because we're outside of what we have in the history books. We're learning as we go here.s
1607  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The World in 2020 on: November 28, 2019, 04:09:12 PM
I think the craziest thing about this presidency is the fact that Trump is the biggest news story every single day. There's not one day that you will go online and see that someone else as the top headline.

This wasn't the case for Obama or Bush or anyone before him.

Everyday people wait for what Trump does, or tweets, or says and then they start making their news stories for the day. I think that's INSANE.

There has never been a president with whom a media war of this proportions was ever led.
They will make up anything to use against him.

I mean even if they aren't going against Trump in particular, I'm just saying that Trump is in the news everyday. Good or bad, but the guy is literally at least on the front page of the news everyday.

It's something that a friend of mine brought up, and it's completely unprecedented.
1608  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Health tips people need to know on: November 28, 2019, 01:18:52 AM
Most health problems in the modern world come from food. We're eating worse and worse. I think that in the 19th and the early 20th century we were eating the healthiest. It was the times when receipes were really sophisticated and people preferred a rich diet with lots of meat and veggies but not as much sugar and almost no artificial additives.
Now we're basically eating processed shit with a lot of spices and preservatives and it shows.

I think most people know this sort of thing, and people know that they should probably go to an all plant based diet -- but it's not always so easy and cheap for the average family compared to eating the shitty cheap food.

Much better for you to go to eating all plant based food, but I honestly couldn't do it. I love red meat, chicken, eggs, milk and all those other things too much.

Processed foods are killing us, but we're all stubborn and stuck in our ways.
1609  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Tesla sources cobalt from Democratic Republic of Congo on: November 28, 2019, 12:30:26 AM
Oh, I thought that was Rwanda. I just hope this income from cobalt would actually lift the country from poverty rather than become another resource curse, like diamonds were for other countries in Africa.

Yeah that's not going to happen when the country is plagued by corruption, abuses by the government, and no democracy at all.

Like yes -- would it be great if the government there would take some of the money from the cobalt mines and put it towards developing schools in the area, or further healthcare research, or something along those lines.

It truly would be great -- but it's going into the pockets of warlords.

Well one is free to dream. Botswana managed to escape the chaos and wars that befell the other diamond-producing countries so they might be doing something right that heavy exporting countries like DRC can learn from. Rwanda also made several improvements since the 94 genocide it seems.

I believe there would definitely be development in these rare resource exporting countries, especially with China starting to invest in them. What that would that mean for the people is what's uncertain, especially since China isn't particular about their partner's policies regarding rights, etc.

Oh do I think it is possible for this to happen? Yes. But you truly do need to have a government which is willing to give up power and to have faith in their system. You can't think you're the only person who can do your job, or that you're the only hope for the development of the country.

Typically rulers in these countries lead for decades, because they think they're the only hope for this country. When in reality they're not.

You have to believe in the system of your nation, and not the system of yourself.
1610  Other / Politics & Society / Re: why are are allowed to criticize everything except jews or truth on: November 27, 2019, 11:47:39 PM
Because it is outright banned on most of the normie internet

What are you even talking about here? On most of the internet I think there is a pretty big anti Israel sentiment -- pointing to reddit here

Lol no.. Reddit is a censorship hellhole.. They screwed  r/The_Donald..
Facebook, twitter, insta, youtube, all the big tech companies delete and ban this type of stuff..

Post the contents of this thread to any of them and see what happens..

I would think that this is something that would be censored on The_Donald, because of the fact that The_Donald is pretty pro israel and in turn pro jewish.

I feel like I could run a trial of this by making a reddit account, and posting it all across reddit and seeing how it works. Anyone want to use their Reddit account for this reason?

How hard is it to make a burner reddit account from TOR these days?

I'd give you an account but not one easily traceable to me to go test antisemitism banning with, lol.. Ya dig?


Edit
I made a burner reddit account for you and PM'd you the login username and password..

I would like to see this test


I'll test it on this account. Might not be able to post in certain areas due to the fact that the account is new. That's the portion that I wanted to test.

Either one of us could go right head and try if you want. You wanna do it or do you want me to?
1611  Other / Politics & Society / Re: why are are allowed to criticize everything except jews or truth on: November 27, 2019, 09:47:10 PM
Because it is outright banned on most of the normie internet

What are you even talking about here? On most of the internet I think there is a pretty big anti Israel sentiment -- pointing to reddit here

Lol no.. Reddit is a censorship hellhole.. They screwed  r/The_Donald..
Facebook, twitter, insta, youtube, all the big tech companies delete and ban this type of stuff..

Post the contents of this thread to any of them and see what happens..

I would think that this is something that would be censored on The_Donald, because of the fact that The_Donald is pretty pro israel and in turn pro jewish.

I feel like I could run a trial of this by making a reddit account, and posting it all across reddit and seeing how it works. Anyone want to use their Reddit account for this reason?
1612  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Which US presidential candidate is the lesser evil for BTC? on: November 27, 2019, 09:21:15 PM
Which US presidential candidate is the lesser evil for BTC?

There are a lot of factors to balance regarding this question.

If the money system crashed today, it would be good for BTC. The value and recognition of BTC would go way up.

If the money system crashes later (because it is going to crash... nothing can stop it), the crash will be worse so it might be even better for BTC. But if the crash takes the electrical grid and the Internet down, BTC will be just as useless as fiat.

The Federal Reserve Bank is doing all it can do to keep fiat from crashing. They are doing an excellent job, if only by accident. They are introducing all kinds of "things" to hold fiat in place... like Quantitative Easing. These "things" are only patches to make it last a little longer. But so far, the patches have extended the life of the USD fiat 20 to 40 years longer than it would have lasted naturally.

One of the things they are doing is looking at the idea of a global currency. I can't tell if such a currency would be a fiat patch, or only an extension of the fiat Ponzi. But either way, it might include BTC, or it might not.

The point is, in the short term, the winner that crashes the fiat system is supporting BTC. But in the long term, it might work like this or it might not. BTC might be totally eliminated by the drastic steps it would take to introduce a global currency. But then, so would our freedom.

Cool

This just isn't true in the least.

If you are to look at most of the purchasing in bitcoin its without a doubt going to come from retail investors. These retail investors are only investing in bitcoin because of the fact that they have disposable income from their jobs and (hopefully) they're already in other investment classes which are much less risky.

Throughout this entire conversation I am assuming that regular everyday people consider bitcoin an investment, instead of a currency -- like me and other people consider bitcoin on this forum.

If the rest of the investment world goes to shit, people lose their jobs b/c the currency is crashing (which points to other problems) then bitcoin is going to die too. The price, at least. That will stall development in the area.

You forget the part about the crashed money system. BTC people will jump right into using BTC, and showing a needy world how to use BTC. BTC will become a way of life for buying and selling... if the grids don't come crashing down with the fiat crash.

Fiat will be brought down suddenly. It will happen with the closing of the Fed, the orders of the President, some natural disaster that takes one of the grids down, or who knows what other reasons. If BTC isn't ready to go, it won't survive, either.

If it is Presidential manipulations of money processes outside of BTC that crash fiat, indirectly it will be the fault of the President.

Cool

I keep forgetting that you're unable to understand anything buddy.

You do understand that BTC and Fiat (not even just USD, all FIAT) are interwoven in some way. People aren't going to invest in BTC if they begin to foreclose on their homes again, or if they lose their jobs, or if their company is going under and their pension and 401k is gone because we're going into a recession.

We can't survive without FIAT, yes.

If you can prove otherwise -- well if anyone else can prove otherwise, that'd be great.

Just because fiat is an investment just like BTC, doesn't mean they are interwoven. Some people use investments to do trading in their living essentials. If fiat went down, people would use whatever was left to do their trading just to live. BTC (if it lasted) would be one of the options.

People survived for all the history of the world before 1913. Money isn't necessarily fiat.

Cool

You're not even reading what I'm saying at this point.

Fiat isn't an investment -- at least when it comes to EUR, British Pounds (Before Brexit), and USD. These are all currencies which are RELATIVELY stable.

Bitcoin, Stocks, Bonds, CD's, Real Estate, and so on and so forth are investments. Bitcoin is going to be the most risky investment. The others are more stable -- think Real Estate, stocks, bonds, etc.
1613  Other / Politics & Society / Re: House committee moves bill to decriminalize marijuana on: November 27, 2019, 09:06:34 PM
Lets be real for a second. Both parties get money from people who benefit from Marijuana being illegal. I'll even go through a list of people relating to this.....

You left out Lawyers, who have the single largest cash grab from marijuana being illegal, and who are > 90% Democrat.

Did leave out lawyers, and I apoligize for that. Though that stat most likely isn't true.

From the information which I sourced from http://verdantlabs.com/politics_of_professions/ - it seems like certain portions of law are more democrat and other portions are more republican, though the split seems to be in the realm of 70-30 Democrat.


That is an interesting split out by that website.

Thanks.

But I would argue, that if one was able to have a stat on "drug offense attorneys" it would almost entirely liberal leaning. Maybe for historical reasons.

I think that would be fair to put under 'trial attorneys'

But at the end of the day, both sides are making money on this and if you can't see this you're just avoiding the obvious.
1614  Other / Politics & Society / Re: why are are allowed to criticize everything except jews or truth on: November 27, 2019, 08:36:29 PM
I'll honestly never understand the weird obsession with the jews on here, and in some circles.

Because it is outright banned on most of the normie internet that you probably frequent and this site is one of the few places that isn't controlled by, ahem, those who outright ban it..

"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize."


What are you even talking about here? On most of the internet I think there is a pretty big anti Israel sentiment -- pointing to reddit here -- and in turn that means an anti jewish sentiment.

I will never understand the large scale conspiracy about the Jewish people and the Jewish faith because when most people go after them its with random blog posts with no real reporting regarding it.
1615  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Tesla sources cobalt from Democratic Republic of Congo on: November 27, 2019, 06:54:40 PM
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Yes before 2003. It's still a savage country but going from making children into soldiers and sex slaves to employ is some progress. It's Africa. These people used to murder women and children with machetes only a decade ago.

Oh, I thought that was Rwanda. I just hope this income from cobalt would actually lift the country from poverty rather than become another resource curse, like diamonds were for other countries in Africa.

Yeah that's not going to happen when the country is plagued by corruption, abuses by the government, and no democracy at all.

Like yes -- would it be great if the government there would take some of the money from the cobalt mines and put it towards developing schools in the area, or further healthcare research, or something along those lines.

It truly would be great -- but it's going into the pockets of warlords.
1616  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Billionaire vs Billionaire in the US 2020 Presidential Elections. on: November 27, 2019, 06:48:35 PM
American election is far from the amount of Dollars in your account and how you can influence the media but good policy that has positive impact on the Americans. If you said media power then remind yourself the election that produced Donald Trump, based on the media propaganda it was believed that Democrat won the election but that was not the case at the end.

This just isn't true in the least.

Most of it is left up to how much media you can get about your campaign. Yes -- you may be able to do better with clear plans and ideas for what you're going to do when you lead, but it's not required if you have great coverage of you -- or just coverage of you all the time by the major news networks.

Look at the Trump campaign, the guy mostly had general plans of the things that he was going to do or wanted to do. Said a lot of outlandish stuff and got tons of media attention when he knew that he needed it -- because he was in a field of 18 other GOP candidates and needed to win the nomination.

I don't recall the exact number, but due to how outlandish Trump was and how straight to the point he was I think he got a few BILLION DOLLARS in free media advertising because they were talking about him all the time.

So -- you truly just the media, and people supporting you.
1617  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Which US presidential candidate is the lesser evil for BTC? on: November 27, 2019, 06:04:04 PM
Which US presidential candidate is the lesser evil for BTC?

There are a lot of factors to balance regarding this question.

If the money system crashed today, it would be good for BTC. The value and recognition of BTC would go way up.

If the money system crashes later (because it is going to crash... nothing can stop it), the crash will be worse so it might be even better for BTC. But if the crash takes the electrical grid and the Internet down, BTC will be just as useless as fiat.

The Federal Reserve Bank is doing all it can do to keep fiat from crashing. They are doing an excellent job, if only by accident. They are introducing all kinds of "things" to hold fiat in place... like Quantitative Easing. These "things" are only patches to make it last a little longer. But so far, the patches have extended the life of the USD fiat 20 to 40 years longer than it would have lasted naturally.

One of the things they are doing is looking at the idea of a global currency. I can't tell if such a currency would be a fiat patch, or only an extension of the fiat Ponzi. But either way, it might include BTC, or it might not.

The point is, in the short term, the winner that crashes the fiat system is supporting BTC. But in the long term, it might work like this or it might not. BTC might be totally eliminated by the drastic steps it would take to introduce a global currency. But then, so would our freedom.

Cool

This just isn't true in the least.

If you are to look at most of the purchasing in bitcoin its without a doubt going to come from retail investors. These retail investors are only investing in bitcoin because of the fact that they have disposable income from their jobs and (hopefully) they're already in other investment classes which are much less risky.

Throughout this entire conversation I am assuming that regular everyday people consider bitcoin an investment, instead of a currency -- like me and other people consider bitcoin on this forum.

If the rest of the investment world goes to shit, people lose their jobs b/c the currency is crashing (which points to other problems) then bitcoin is going to die too. The price, at least. That will stall development in the area.

You forget the part about the crashed money system. BTC people will jump right into using BTC, and showing a needy world how to use BTC. BTC will become a way of life for buying and selling... if the grids don't come crashing down with the fiat crash.

Fiat will be brought down suddenly. It will happen with the closing of the Fed, the orders of the President, some natural disaster that takes one of the grids down, or who knows what other reasons. If BTC isn't ready to go, it won't survive, either.

If it is Presidential manipulations of money processes outside of BTC that crash fiat, indirectly it will be the fault of the President.

Cool

I keep forgetting that you're unable to understand anything buddy.

You do understand that BTC and Fiat (not even just USD, all FIAT) are interwoven in some way. People aren't going to invest in BTC if they begin to foreclose on their homes again, or if they lose their jobs, or if their company is going under and their pension and 401k is gone because we're going into a recession.

We can't survive without FIAT, yes.

If you can prove otherwise -- well if anyone else can prove otherwise, that'd be great.
1618  Other / Politics & Society / Re: why are are allowed to criticize everything except jews or truth on: November 27, 2019, 02:01:25 AM
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1) you get censored.

2) you get banned.

3) you get murdered if your rich and making a big enough influence.


I'll honestly never understand the weird obsession with the jews on here, and in some circles. But I'll face your questions head on.

1. Who is censoring you? Is it someone on this board? Someone in real life? Someone on reddit? Etc?

2. Who is banning you (and from what) Plus the rest of the questions from the above ^

3. Any specifics on people being murdered?
1619  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Which US presidential candidate is the lesser evil for BTC? on: November 27, 2019, 01:51:54 AM
Which US presidential candidate is the lesser evil for BTC?

There are a lot of factors to balance regarding this question.

If the money system crashed today, it would be good for BTC. The value and recognition of BTC would go way up.

If the money system crashes later (because it is going to crash... nothing can stop it), the crash will be worse so it might be even better for BTC. But if the crash takes the electrical grid and the Internet down, BTC will be just as useless as fiat.

The Federal Reserve Bank is doing all it can do to keep fiat from crashing. They are doing an excellent job, if only by accident. They are introducing all kinds of "things" to hold fiat in place... like Quantitative Easing. These "things" are only patches to make it last a little longer. But so far, the patches have extended the life of the USD fiat 20 to 40 years longer than it would have lasted naturally.

One of the things they are doing is looking at the idea of a global currency. I can't tell if such a currency would be a fiat patch, or only an extension of the fiat Ponzi. But either way, it might include BTC, or it might not.

The point is, in the short term, the winner that crashes the fiat system is supporting BTC. But in the long term, it might work like this or it might not. BTC might be totally eliminated by the drastic steps it would take to introduce a global currency. But then, so would our freedom.

Cool

This just isn't true in the least.

If you are to look at most of the purchasing in bitcoin its without a doubt going to come from retail investors. These retail investors are only investing in bitcoin because of the fact that they have disposable income from their jobs and (hopefully) they're already in other investment classes which are much less risky.

Throughout this entire conversation I am assuming that regular everyday people consider bitcoin an investment, instead of a currency -- like me and other people consider bitcoin on this forum.

If the rest of the investment world goes to shit, people lose their jobs b/c the currency is crashing (which points to other problems) then bitcoin is going to die too. The price, at least. That will stall development in the area.
1620  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What is in mind of those, who against vaccination? on: November 27, 2019, 01:19:29 AM
That'd be a choice that would be made for individual vaccines based on the history of side effects on your children.

Choices made most times by parents/Guardians who do little or no good research. It’s would have been a long solved issue (Vaccination being good or bad/when/who should be vaccinated) if these parents decide to do their job. Unfortunately, it’s a Choice that would affect someone else’s life and not the parent’s. It would be easy if kids were able to make some decisions themselves, and face the consequences that results.

I'm really talking about the ones that do real research and talk to their doctors regarding this. As I do think that for some people, the side effects may truly outweigh the benefits to the person itself.

I do understand the argument regarding the fact that all people should be vaccinated and that it helps everyone if this is the case. But I do think that if there are legitimate side effects that people are having, that can be proved, there is something that should be done.
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