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1481  Other / Archival / Re: [Archived] Profit tracking. on: January 01, 2020, 10:46:46 PM
Not trying to rush you or anything buddy, just wanted to know if we'd be getting an update at some point?

Even a ballpark percentage is fine for BTC/BCH or whatever is easiest for you. Just like to see if this would be worth it to get involved in!

Just going to bump this again, would love to see the info.
1482  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How does this World work?(legally) - Life-savings(fiat)confiscated with BTC-e on: January 01, 2020, 09:49:52 PM
@darkangel11
(MoneyPolo  said (in August 2017), it was immediately received by BTC-e. So i didn't fill their "Payment Claim" form again now.)

I understand lawyers can help to move ignorant or greedy companies, but
Why do goverment organs ignore people? isn't their purpose to help?  
(Contact form seems streamlined, limited to 2000 characters)
Why do i have to search for crumbs as a victim. You mean as if i they were a thief and i was a detective?

In my proper world, i was expecting an email from confiscators directly or through a letter form my bank, every day.
(Thinking they finish what they start.)  Not sure how many accounts are as easy/obvious as mine. But in their place,
if you ever worked with spreadsheets, wouldn't you imagine getting there soon?

Usually if you're facing a responses like " we don't have it", or government agencies responding that they have no information or they were not responsible for the operation, you have to do your own investigation. Otherwise they're going to keep redirecting you and each of these agencies will have 30 days to respond and you'll be waiting for months just to cross them out from your list.
You need to establish who has your money. They probably don't care about the victims and expect them to come and ask for their money but to do do it you have to first know who exactly was responsible for the assets belonging to BTC-e. I'm talking about the department and agent in charge of the case.

I think that they might be being honest about the whole situation. I don't think that the government was able to seize Bitcoin from BTC-E -- besides MAYBE what was in a hot wallet with little to no security -- because it'd be impossible to seize.

I mean without a doubt continue to follow up. I'd recommend getting in touch with legal counsel to make your claims a bit more legitimate. The US government may ignore you, but with a legal letterhead and some legal claims -- they know they're going to have to work with ya.

Yet again -- Good Luck.
1483  Economy / Economics / Re: ECB President: There is clearly a demand out there that we have to respond to on: January 01, 2020, 09:42:54 PM
Honestly even if the stablecoin projects in the cryptospace pushed government in the right direction of adopting better banking techniques in the US, I think we should all be happy. I mean yeah, it still comes with the same flaws as something like Venmo or CashApp which have massive privacy problems. But for the large majority of people in the Western World, Bitcoin really doesn't help them -- USD and better banking does.

In the US we have some of the most antiquated banking systems in the world. We don't have instant transfers -- as transfers as of right now take a few days -- or you pay for a wire and that costs money.

If that's something that we fix then great, I think we'd all be better off with a digital USD/EURO alongside the paper versions as well.
1484  Other / Politics & Society / Re: About fixing up Detroit and untested rape kits on: January 01, 2020, 09:36:32 PM
snip

Now I know the point of thread. I thought the OP was talking about a new type of rape kit that hasn't been tested for its effectiveness yet.

And yes, that's a lot of rapists that got to rape again, and reproduce even more. Spreading out their gene pool.

This is one time that I believe abortion should be morally acceptable. I'm not saying the kids would surely grow up into rapists but there's probably a larger chance that if they inherit the father's predisposition that they'd be crime-involved... Especially if the mother was forced to raise the child.

It'll always remind her of what happened, it's very possible she'll hate it. And you know what happens when you grow up knowing your parent hates you.

While I don't disagree with your stance here, there is always adoption...

While that's an option as well, do we really want to flood the already underfunded adoption system / foster care system with more children?

But onto Detroit -- all of this isn't surprising. You have a city which was a industrial hub in the US, people flocked there for great opportunities and did well. It all went away like a Thanos 'snap' and that was the end of that. It's not surprising the city is in shambles and can't support itself as most people lost their jobs and the city doesn't have the tax revenue to be paying for much services.

1485  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How does this World work?(legally) - Life-savings(fiat)confiscated with BTC-e on: December 31, 2019, 11:16:06 PM
thank you
@squatz1   ("95% of all bad" is statistically rather impossibe. More so because most exchanges didn't offer KYC. Bitcoin was not yet defined as real money in most countries.) - Bad enough whatever percentage! Sad
A market has two halves (bitcoin vs. fiat).  Assume most of BTC-e's Bitcoins were from a bad source, that still results in a majority of good funds and users, that need to be protected.  (And next to Fiat, the sources of Altcoins were likely fine at that time, from miners.)

I'm into math and improving the world.   Did BTC-e "hire trolls" on BitcoinTalk and more?  My info is dated but Bitstamp & BTC-e just were the "original" (oldest) bitcoin exchanges, the techie's choice?  (BTC-e had the most serious features/API, with no shiny layout/copywriting.)   Coinmarketcap(.com) looked like this for long: 1. Bitfinex 2. OkCoin  3. Bitstamp 4. BTC-E )   I was/am more suspicious about the big ones, Bitfinex, OkCoin, Bitmex from Hong Kong, they still dont offer KYC?. Bitmex volume is $Billions/day Shocked.  Why arent they closed down?


At the time, a good deal of exchanges didn't have KYC for regular trading -- but didn't allow for FIAT withdrawls without KYC info because their banks would force that sort of stuff. I'm assuming that BTC-E had been laundering fiat as well for clients, which is the reason that they had been shutdown by the US gov.

Yes, I do understand your point about there being good people using the exchange as well - that's the sad part about this whole thing -- I do still wish you luck.

Anyone on here know a good deal about BTC-E and can comment? I'm kinda just spitballing from news articles.
1486  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Americans are lucky, they have Trump and Pelosi on: December 31, 2019, 06:33:26 PM
Every country has two "clowns" and their own "circus".
It is just that America is international and the most powerful country in the world so the media covers all the news that happen there as it might affect people all around the world.

+1 to that.

The only reason you hear about it in the US is that we're the most powerful country in the world and typically the policy that happens / changes here is going to effect the world in some sort of way.

It actually kinda sucks for anyone international here just because their politicians get to hide behind the news in the US -- so they don't get as much scrutiny as they used to have.
1487  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump doesn't care about the deficit, no one does. on: December 31, 2019, 05:51:10 PM
The US is not going to such a place.

How do you imagine it ending, then? At the current trajectory, it looks to me like debt will go exponential in 2030-2040.

 - Will Congress somehow massively rein in spending and/or massively increase taxes despite not really having any incentive to do so?
 - Will people/institutions/governments' demand for treasuries grow exponentially alongside the exponential increase in debt, allowing interest rates to remain low?
 - Will the US default on its treasuries, wiping out many Americans' retirement accounts in a very obvious way? (Hyperinflation might do the same thing, but it's less obvious.)
 - Will the Fed print trillions of dollars every year in order to buy treasuries, but yet this money will not cause hyperinflation? If it won't cause hyperinflation, where will the money go? The money would be created and given to the government in exchange for treasuries, and the government would be spending it on things like medical expenses, social security benefits, and military hardware, so it should in fact enter the economy pretty quickly & widely.

The only incentive for Congress to do so would be something happening - like some sort of financial meltdown where the government is forced to or we go into utter chaos. Where the demand crashes for treasury bonds because the people see the writing on the wall. But then again, any other investment you go into if you shun T-Bonds is going to go to shit too, cause the if the US government goes to shit we have a ton of other issues.

I think the most likely scenario is that we clean up the deficit, instead of cleaning up the debt. If you are to do that at least you stop the bleeding and the interest payments don't continue to increase. -- Balanced Budget Amendment Right there.

But even in my most likely scenario, Congress still has to rein in on spending and or raise revenues. So honestly I don't think we're going to see the change unless we have some sort of tea party revolution round 2 -- or some other party or something along  those lines.
1488  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How does this World work?(legally) - Life-savings(fiat)confiscated with BTC-e on: December 31, 2019, 01:07:10 AM
If all of this is legitimate, I'd like to preface for saying that it is horrible that you lost this money. I do wish you luck in getting whoever seized the funds of BTC-E to return them. Though I'm personally unaware as to if the Justice Department / FBI / USA had seized Bitcoins, as it seems like that would be impossible. It would be possible for the US to freeze and seize fiat -- but with Bitcoin, we all know how that works.

Here's some info about BTC-E by the way, they had been a dirty exchange for years prior and had been processing (LAUNDERING) funds for tons of hacks with no regard for the law.


On Wednesday, in the wake of the arrest of Vinnik, WizSec published a blogpost presenting the findings of an investigation into the Mt. Gox thefts that they have apparently been preparing for years. According to WizSec, the Mt. Gox hot wallet private keys were stolen sometime in 2011, and the hacker (or multiple hackers) continued to steal bitcoin through 2012 and 2013. The bitcoin were laundered through wallets controlled by Alexander Vinnik. The indictment claims that 300,000 bitcoin were stolen from Mt. Gox went directly to three connected BTC-e accounts “directly linked” to “BTC-e administrative accounts” that only BTC-e admins and operators could have had access to. At least one of the accounts — under the name “Vamnedam” — was controlled by Vinnik and “others known and unknown.” (The “others known” are either not named in the indictment or have been redacted from the published document.)

More bitcoin from the theft were sent to other Mt. Gox wallets and wallets at a third exchange — the now-defunct Tradehill, which operated out of San Francisco, California. From there, they eventually ended up at BTC-e, in an account that was directly controlled by Vinnik.

WizSec also claims that the wallets that laundered Mt. Gox coins also handled “coins stolen from Bitcoinica, Bitfloor and several other thefts from back in 2011 and 2012.”

It’s not clear whether Vinnik was directly involved in the Mt. Gox theft, or how close he is to any of those previous thefts, or even the CryptoWall ransomware hackers whose funds he is accused of laundering. But when it comes to Mt. Gox, at least, BTC-e’s proximity to the theft is fairly suspicious.

BTC-E wasn't registered properly with the USA, and I'm assuming that had been them on the radar long before these other things came up.

95 percent of all ransomware cashouts happened on BTC-E (From the Verge article from before)

This exchange was very dirty and very sketchy, this wasn't hard to notice. I do wish you luck though, as it is horrible to lose all of this money and not have anyone telling you anything.
1489  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Americans are lucky, they have Trump and Pelosi on: December 30, 2019, 11:06:11 PM
I think of it like this. In the US, we have enough to the point that we're able to focus on the bullshit. We're able to spend time sitting around and watching reality TV shows, or cartoons, or whatever and still able to survive. That's not something that is present in other countries. But I digress to something else for a moment.

In the US we obviously have political problems like any other country though. We focus so much on the Federal elections (President, Senate, Representatives, cabinet picks, supreme court) but we ignore the local politicans that run our everyday life (think of the local judges, attorney, building departments, county executives, etc) These are the people who decide our lives, they decide what you're allowed to build in your own property -- if you can built it, what types of forms you have to fill out.

They charge you the bulk of your taxes (Setting the Sales Tax, Property and School Taxes), they also provide you the bulk of the services you interact with daily (Roads and Road maintenance, Local Police and Fire, Education, etc)

I'm actually going to be making a thread about this ignorance in the US.
1490  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump doesn't care about the deficit, no one does. on: December 30, 2019, 11:00:52 PM
Yeah, there's zero chance of the debt being resolved without some big disaster. The incentives just aren't there. Politicians get reelected by bragging about what they've delivered to their constituents, not by endlessly explaining why they tried to defund <voter's favorite project>. So you get things like McConnell's $1 billion gift to Kentucky in the latest budget. To pass a budget, every politician gets to demand increases in the total.

Currently the debt per taxpayer is $187,000, about $9000 of which came just this year. Obviously this isn't ever going to be paid.

You can play with policies to reduce the debt in this little game. For most people, it's pretty difficult to do it while worrying just about your own ideals, but imagine that you were a politician who also had to satisfy your largely-clueless voters. It's not happening.

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the next generation is saddled with something

It won't necessarily be the next generation:
 - By 2025, interest payments on the debt are projected to exceed the military budget.
 - By 2026, the Medicare Trust Fund is projected to run out of money.
 - The median baby boomer will retire in a couple of years.
 - Some predict that we're in a bond bubble that's coming to an end, leading perhaps to much higher interest rates within a few years.
 - China, Russia, Iran, etc. have a strong interest in challenging the USD's dominance, especially as the US becomes increasingly aggressive toward them.

I think that the only realistic end result is the collapse of the dollar through hyperinflation. If interest rates quickly rise or if deficits continue on their current trajectory for 5-20 years, the debt will start to truly go exponential. Once this happens, the Fed will try to rescue the situation by printing money, but this will cause hyperinflation, and the world will lose faith in the dollar. A worthless dollar "solves" the debt situation, but obviously it'd be a world-shaking event which would do enormous & widespread damage.

But because the dollar is currently the world reserve currency, this could take decades if nothing major happens to speed things up.

I mean at the end of the day, there's no reason for politicians -- within their own self interest -- to want to fix this problem. Why would they? They know that trying to fix the debt / lower the deficit is a losing goal -- see Bush having to raise taxes and then losing reelection. Politicans know that they're not going to have a job if they try to face the problem, so they don't. Instead they kick the can and they move on. Just wanted to say this again, though I know you've already stated such.

Insane insane insane figures Theymos -- it's disgusting that we've (as an electorate) allowed our politicians to get away with this.

The only way this works out 'somewhat' is if GDP continues to rise so that debt is still under 100-120 percent of GDP. At least that's manageable with the economy.

It'd just be nice to stop the bleeding, try to have a balanced budget by 2025 or something like that.



1491  Other / Politics & Society / Trump doesn't care about the deficit, no one does. on: December 30, 2019, 06:18:12 PM
While this isn't fully Bitcoin related, I still did think that this topic did require some sort of conversation. Just as a note, I'm going to be posting this thread here and in the P&S section for maximum visibility. I do hope that's fine.

Here's the quick and simple summary of all of this: The US deficit is soaring in the Trump era, as it reached $984B in 2019. This was fueled by spending increases, and tax cuts.

But lets take a walk down memory lane, when Republicans used to care about spending and Democrats even went across the aisle to help out as well. In 2011, the GOP House of Rep pushed for a Balanced Budget Amendment -- pretty much forcing the government to have a balanced budget every year. Due to this, the Obama Administration tried to cut back back on spending and had done a good job at a certain point. There is a bit of leeway you have to give the Obama administration though, given that they controlled the executive during a time of a recession they obviously would have a higher deficit then most presidents.

Trump had even promised to fight the Debt and the Deficit, but nothing has come out of this. Trump rarely mentions it anymore, as it's a losing game for him. Republicans ignore it as they know going against Trump is political suicide -- and Democrats mention it here and there but it's not enough.

Both sides are hypocrites -- only caring about problems when the other side is causing it. Democrats only carea about deficits when Republicans are doing it, and Republicans only care about deficits when Democrats are doing it.

We shouldn't kick the can down any longer. We must focus on the deficit and the debt and focus on it now, instead of trying to focus on it when it's too late and the next generation is saddled with something that has spiraled too far out of control.

Sources:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/10/25/us-deficit-hit-billion-marking-nearly-percent-increase-during-trump-era/
https://www.thebalance.com/us-deficit-by-year-3306306
https://apnews.com/caeb6d6c4eff45e4bc5da12db06004bc
1492  Economy / Economics / Trump has disregarded the deficit, a key campaign promise. on: December 30, 2019, 06:17:36 PM
While this isn't fully Bitcoin related, I still did think that this topic did require some sort of conversation. Just as a note, I'm going to be posting this thread here and in the P&S section for maximum visibility. I do hope that's fine.

Here's the quick and simple summary of all of this: The US deficit is soaring in the Trump era, as it reached $984B in 2019. This was fueled by spending increases, and tax cuts.

But lets take a walk down memory lane, when Republicans used to care about spending and Democrats even went across the aisle to help out as well. In 2011, the GOP House of Rep pushed for a Balanced Budget Amendment -- pretty much forcing the government to have a balanced budget every year. Due to this, the Obama Administration tried to cut back back on spending and had done a good job at a certain point. There is a bit of leeway you have to give the Obama administration though, given that they controlled the executive during a time of a recession they obviously would have a higher deficit then most presidents.

Trump had even promised to fight the Debt and the Deficit, but nothing has come out of this. Trump rarely mentions it anymore, as it's a losing game for him. Republicans ignore it as they know going against Trump is political suicide -- and Democrats mention it here and there but it's not enough.

Both sides are hypocrites -- only caring about problems when the other side is causing it. Democrats only carea about deficits when Republicans are doing it, and Republicans only care about deficits when Democrats are doing it.

We shouldn't kick the can down any longer. We must focus on the deficit and the debt and focus on it now, instead of trying to focus on it when it's too late and the next generation is saddled with something that has spiraled too far out of control.

Sources:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/10/25/us-deficit-hit-billion-marking-nearly-percent-increase-during-trump-era/
https://www.thebalance.com/us-deficit-by-year-3306306
https://apnews.com/caeb6d6c4eff45e4bc5da12db06004bc
1493  Economy / Economics / Re: A Nobel-winning economist says it’s time to kill the GDP metrics on: December 27, 2019, 05:08:46 PM
For example, if your tax rates stay steady from year to year, but tax receipts fall, then the economy is doing badly no matter what GDP says.

And of course, you have an example when this was happening, right?  Grin

Putting more value on metrics like economic inequality, the deteriorating middle class, environmental degradation, etc. would make places like the US look much worse.

Why the hell should the indicator of how powerful the economy of a country is take into consideration environmental degradation?
That would lead to a series of far more idiotic indexes.
How are you going to quantify this, how are you going to measure it?

You think US will look worse, then how is China going to look? Or India?
Probably because it more virgin forests, Bulgaria will become the new Switzerland  Grin Grin Grin

I would prefer to see people living in moderation, cutting down on unnecessary stuff owned by individual and relying more on natural stuff. I think this is one of the secrets to happiness.

Yeah, I would love to see others doing this. Others!
Natural stuff...Please type the next message by carrier pigeon  Grin Grin

Agree with this.

The issue isn't GDP. It's that we use GDP for, and forget about what is done to increase that GDP. As I said before, GDP increasing isn't always 'more output being produced for more consumers'

It could be caused by natural disasters, some sort of health crisis, warfare, etc.

We use GDP as the end-all be all economic indicator when it can be used as a complement to others.
1494  Economy / Economics / Re: A Nobel-winning economist says it’s time to kill the GDP metrics on: December 26, 2019, 07:54:48 AM
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GDP is on the upswing, yet Los Angeles burns regularly, and the U.S. president faces impeachment.
I don't really get the point of this part of the quote, since those things are only factors that might potentially affect the economy and it isn't as though this is the first time in the history of economics that there's been severe unrest, disasters, and everything else happening.  There are always things going on that might affect a country's economy, but good luck trying to measure the impact before the effect happens.

So this is one economist blabbering on about some iconoclastic, paradigm-shifting lunacy.  The man probably deserves some respect for his accomplishments, but I trust the academic community will be the best judge of whether to listen to his suggestions, much like what happens in the scientific community.  There are well-known scientists who don't believe the HIV virus exists and have said as much, but that line of thinking hasn't exactly gone mainstream.  True knowledge will (hopefully) always prevail.

President facing impeachment doesn't really do anything to GDP.

But natural disaster -- like wildfires do cause GDP to increase. As money is going to have to spent by government on overtime for employees to stop the fire (Fire department), securing areas and getting people out of places (mix of police and fire), treating people with burns or smoke inhaling problems (hospital staff)

Then you're going to have to rebuild areas, maybe spend some money on prevention. You're talking about a ton of contractors coming in to build new houses, new businesses, etc.

Natural Disasters cause a GDP boost as more output is required to makeup for what is lost.

1495  Economy / Economics / Re: Hong Kong protestors call for sanctions against HSBC bank on: December 26, 2019, 07:44:45 AM
Banks are left with no choice. They run on fiat, under the government. Non-compliance would hurt their business more. They can't pretty much do anything, since the government politicians and law enforcement could always use their power at their will. They also aren't able to support cryptocurrencies either since it is also restricted by the government.

HSBC is not in control of such, articles also states that the account closing was conducted by the police, and not voluntarily conducted by HSBC themselves.

Thank you. Thank you so much for this. This is beyond true. This is regulators in countries where they operate telling them what they have to do. A bank isn't going to take a political stance towards something for no reason, they're doing it from a regulatory and a cost benefit analysis view of things. There'd be no other reason for them to do this besides that.

I WILL THANK YOU AGAIN FOR BEING BEYOND LOGICAL HERE. Most people on the board aren't.

+Merited. I'll be keeping an eye on your posts. Thanks again.
1496  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The 50p Brexit coin has resurfaced. on: December 26, 2019, 07:35:42 AM

They don't want to have to take on tons and tons of migrants -- who they're unable to care for -- without their own government approving such action.


let me remember my history knowledge, who forced a constitution on germany that forced it to basically feed, educate and house everyone that comes to germany and asks for asylum?

it was you (uk)

how about you join suffering with germany the constitution you imposed upon it.

its also not that way that germany wants to get enslaved by the entire middle east and africa.

germany is mirrowing on whole europe the constitution it was imposed upon.

btw all immigrants comming to germany vote the german left (like democrats in us) who prevent the removal of those articles cementing the enslavement.

I mean after WW1 when this was done, people knew that this was one of the biggest reason behind Hitlers rise to power (and Mussolini) and why WW2 occured. Things like this aren't going to be repeated due to that fact.

I don't think forced repatritions to the point of a country going into a depression go on par with forcing a country to take on migrants.

Then again, if you don't want to be apart of an international community like the EU -- vote to leave and move on. There's no reason to not at that point.;
1497  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump Writes Pelosi An Open 6 Page Letter For Historical Purposes on: December 26, 2019, 06:44:07 AM
tldr

I doubt his worshipping followers will put in the time or effort to read that, much less comprehend it.
He should split it up into his trademark nonsensical tweets with spelling and grammatical errors, then his base will get all fired up for his next rambling rant farcical rally.

But that's not what this is about.

Trump is able to say to his followers that he wrote this long letter explainging what Pelosi did wrong. Conservative pundits can go through it and pull the most important stuff and use it for headlines, and Trump can use those to tweet about -- riling up his base.

Trump knows EXACTLY how to rile up the base. He's doing a great job with it, and we'll confirm that it went well in 2020.
1498  Other / Politics & Society / Re: While people stare at Trumps Ukraine comments, Biden is let off the hook. on: December 26, 2019, 05:25:51 AM
I have my doubts as to if Trump will get impeached, but if he does get impeached, I would predict that both Joe and Hunter Biden will be asked to testify and their corruption will be highlighted. Both will be under political pressure to not plead the fifth and a trump impeachment could ironically lead to criminal charges against some closely associated with the Obama administration.

This was the plan from the start. There is a reason Trump mentioned Crowdstrike in that call, it was a trap for thirsty dems looking for anything to latch on to, baiting them into exposing Biden.




The Senate isn't going to do this. McConell continues to signal that he wants a fast and quick acquittal. Trump and some Conservatives are saying that they want both Bidens to come in front of them and talk, but that truly could backfire and the Republicans don't want to risk it.

With public opinion in the 48-48 range. They know that they're going to be able to sweep this under the rug and move on. That's the best thing Trump can do for his reelection campaign. Better not to risk it.
1499  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Good and Bad are idiotic classifications, and don't work universally on: December 26, 2019, 12:08:54 AM

Even if I hate responding to Scorpio threads because they're stupid, I'll make an exception because of how stupid the information being spread here is.

While yes, in some cultures there is a bit of fuzzyness on what is good and what is bad. Universially we agree on a good deal of things, which is why we're still able to use the classifications of good and bad.

Killing People = Bad
Robbing People = Bad
Raping = Bad

There are some broad terms that we can and should agree on.

Even when Scorpio talks about Trumps wall being hated by Americans and Mexicans. If Trumps wall is hated by Mexicans that assumes that Mexicans hate that it isn't as easy as it used to be to illegally immigrate to the US. Americans should love it, as illegal immigrants are bad news.
1500  Economy / Economics / Re: A Nobel-winning economist says it’s time to kill the GDP metrics on: December 25, 2019, 11:54:10 PM
This is even a lesson in modern economics. You're taught that GDP truly isn't a good measure of activity because you''re unable to differentiate between the good and the bad.

Think about it like this:

If a Hurricane is to happen right now in America, the goods and services being distributed throughout the area after the Hurricane would cause a GDP Boost
If people require surgeries due to lung cancer from smoking, GDP will increase.
If the land/air/whatever is being polluted and the government / private groups come in and spend a good deal of money on cleanings, GDP will increase as money is spent on a service of cleaning (and the goods required in such)

The problem is that politicians are always focused on the short term because they want to be reelected. They always need to continue the growth, and they can't focus on the next decade, or two decades, or etc. They're focused on the next six months to a year because they want to keep their job.
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