Yes, they will be invalid. If 1 BTC is 5 BCC, and you spend 1 BCC, then you can't spend it again in the other chain. In other words, you will have 0.8 BTC.

But I hope I'm wrong and you can sell BCC for BTC and vice-versa, like any alt coin.

I'm worried.

People selling the BCC are falling into a trap.

And it's a ingenious one. The replay protection is there, if you sell in one chain, you sell in the other.

If you dump BCC, you will be dumping BTC too.

BTC will crash.

And it will be not provoked by rich investors. It will be the users themselves.

Replay protection. If you spend in one chain, you will also have spend on the other, so that you can't replay the same operation again. This is being badly explained, and people are being convinced they will have free coins.

But those coins are the same ones you bought earlier, they will be just in another chain, with another name and behaving like an alt coin.

The future market value was set just to have a initial price for it. So people will think they will be receiving free coins at 500+ dollars each.

They will just dump it, and the equivalent (probably in a relation of 5:1) will be dumped in the legacy chain, due to the replay protection.

Price of BCC will dump to the ground, but the equivalent BTC will also be dumped.

Then the rich investors will buy all this BCC, which is centralized by the mining cartels. Then they fork and BTC is left alone.

Big blocks will be the norm and in ten years you will need 1 petabyte to store the blockchain. Goodbye P2P.

I was thinking in moving at least half of it to LTC. Maybe I'm wrong, but if I'm right it will take too much time to recover, and LTC will be up faster.

You have strong points. There's always have been market manipulation and that is the reason why I dont keep studying graphs, highs and lows and all that stuff. Since the pumps are always sudden, you can't predict it.

I have wallets of Bitcoin, Litecoin, Dash and Ethereum. All stored in my computer. I'm pulling my money out of the exchanges for the 1st August, retrieving all that I can from said coins.

My only question is, how much low bitcoin might fall after SegWit is implemented? Would it fall to a hundred dollars? Or would it fall to $1700 like Goldmann Sachs "predicted"? I want to know what is the best time to buy more.

10 trillion is completely possible, not in 3 years, like McAfee said, but in 10.

Marketcap for gold is 8 trillion, so yes, it is possible for bitcoin to reach 10 trillion in 10 years.

OP is a unbeliever.

Very true. I was sympathetic to the idea of increasing block size until I saw a graphic showing it would reach 1tb for the blockchain to be stored in a computer, in case it would increase block size to 2mb.

Then I remembered Ethereum Mist which I had my computer turned on constantly for two weeks to download its blockchain, and it never completed it, making me drop it. And as you know, Ethereum is supported by big corporations, big banks, oligarchies, even Microsoft. Ethereum is very centralized and its creator dictates what happens in that network.

Then it occurred to me the external hd where I have the blockchain is a very old 640gb Samsung, with a usb 2.0 port. And it occurred to me I would never be able to run a bitcoin node again, if it were to increase block size, since 2mb would be only the beginning of a long centralization process.

Well, I had my accounts hacked in Bittrex and HitBTC by 24th July. The hacker also tried to hack into Poloniex, but this one asks for a code sent by email.

It was my fault, I used the same password in the three exchanges, and I was not using 2FA, a foolish attitude from my part. The hacker messed my Bittrex funds, he sold everything he could for bitcoins, except the altcoins below 50k satoshis in value. However, he was not able to withdraw it from Bittrex, since this would require a confirmation by email. I had nothing stored in HitBTC.

The interesting part is that I also have a account in Btc-e, and if I'm not mistaken I was using the same password there too. The attack was nearly the same time people reported Btc-e shutting down.

The exchanges sent emails with logging information, but not Btc-e. The hacker used a proxy and Chrome as browser.

Não sei porque os caras se irritam tanto com o Rover Ver.

Ele vai vender tudo baratinho, bitcoin a preço de banana, desconto de 500%. Vai sair no desconto pra quem não pôde entrar antes.

Só comprar e holdar.

Correct value for bitcoin at this moment is 100k dollars.

It IS undervalued, extremely undervalued, due to ego-fighting between weak effeminated freaks.

Let's pray to the Bear God so that we can have a $1700 price by monday, and be able to buy lots of bitcoins before it will go to the moon.

$1700 when? I want to buy more.

Na verdade eu só pretendo vender quando atingir 500k dólares. E mesmo assim seria apenas uma fração.

Ou então pra usar cartão pré-pago do tipo AdvCash, que é carregado com bitcoins.

Eu acho que eu sei de onde veio o hacker.

Eu também usava esta senha no BTC-e. Mas nunca comprei nada lá.

São tantas senhas e tantos sites que acabo usando sempre senhas similares em sites diferentes.

Então estou começando a acreditar, que foi realmente hackeado, e ele procurou contas em outras exchanges.

Por enquanto estão abafando o caso. Mas acho que é verdade sim, foi hackeado junto com o mixer após o caso da Alphabay.

It's still a fake bitcoin.

The only real one is bitcoin unlimited infinity classic pwnzor plus with a 320tb block size.

E o valor do BTC já despencou pra 2400 dólares.

Obrigado Jihan Wu e Roger Ver por espalharem pânico no meio dos n00bs com esta palhaçada de BCC.

Espero que desça para 1700 dólares logo e uns 6500 reais aqui.

It's still a opportunity to buy with a DISCOUNT.

How to know when the bottom is reached? I have been following the trends and sunday always seems the most deep it can go, and it always tries to recover in monday.

I think it should be three years with SegWit until increasing the block size to 2mb.

Three months is rushed, and dangerous.

Estou num impasse. Queria comprar mais um bitcoin antes do foguete partir, mas queria comprar por uns 5 mil reais, acham que o preço chega lá até segunda feira?

Estão dumpando 1000 bitcoins toda hora nas exchanges estrangeiras. Ou é a Goldman Sachs ou é a turma do Roger Ver manipulando o preço pra chegar nos 1700 dólares.

Isn't all this bitcoin drama the so-called "currency war" between the US and China?