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1621  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 17, 2018, 10:18:41 PM
If this holds, I might have to start paying more attention to this Russian mystic guy who speaks in tongues and probably sleeps on a bed of nails.

Who is this mystical Russian creature you are speaking about?


The Rasputin of crypto.
1622  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 17, 2018, 10:12:03 PM
dont celebrate just yet
we are not out of the danger zone

we should be ok at 13k


15k.

Also, remember theres the CME contract to expire yet.
1623  Economy / Speculation / Re: Calling top at $16500 (NEW 17th Jan: $4,100 bottom called) on: January 17, 2018, 06:12:02 PM
If $4100 and $16500 were fixed values, we would be trading and multiplying our coins. We could buy four bitcoins at the bottom for one sold at the top.

Unfortunatelly, it is not.
1624  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 17, 2018, 04:44:33 PM
I am going to sell my BTC holdings. Watch the price Skyrocket now!

I am going to take this one for the team!... You can thank me later!

Here we go!....

EDIT: Price just rose to 10K....


Again.
1625  Local / Português (Portuguese) / Re: Preço não para de cair. Nada mais pode ser feito. on: January 17, 2018, 03:03:58 PM
A grande queda do Bitcoin é iminente, fujam enquanto é tempo!


Não.


1626  Economy / Speculation / Re: SELLL!!!!!!!!! TESTED 2X AT 10200 = CRASH!!!!!! on: January 17, 2018, 02:58:03 PM
Adoption levels are so low that this thing is still in SLEEP MODE right now.


Less than 0.5% of the world population have bitcoins.

There's more space to go up, than to go down.

1627  Economy / Speculation / Re: Who is currently losing money on bitcoin? on: January 17, 2018, 02:36:06 PM
Everybody is. Bitcoin is money, if its value drops, then you are losing money.
1628  Economy / Speculation / Re: Call the Bottom, Bloody Edition on: January 17, 2018, 02:31:00 PM
I was thinking in 8k, but after I got a closer look to the charts, I guess it will be 5k.

1629  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 17, 2018, 02:26:01 PM
10k being tested, four and five digits from one second to the next.

October was actually 4-5k, I checked it. I was confusing the numbers.



So we have these two floors, around 8k and 4k. These are the most stable positions, the others are like steep mountain walls.
1630  Economy / Speculation / Re: Do we ALWAYS have FUD on the 2nd-3rd weeks of January?? on: January 17, 2018, 02:10:36 PM
Yes, but this year is more intense, due to Wall Street interference.
1631  Economy / Speculation / Re: Crash is over, nice call on the bottom guys! ATH will come quickly on: January 17, 2018, 02:06:42 PM
Many expecting $8k if $10k support is broken.


8k was sidelined for a week, back in November. That's why we consider a strong support.

Most of the rise was on December, right before the opening of futures.
1632  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 17, 2018, 01:54:54 PM
I never liked of wall street entering in the bitcoin market expecting this kind of tricks.


And the leverage, how it plays into that?

From my (little) understanding, they use the leverage to worsen the effects of a big short.

1633  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 17, 2018, 01:45:31 PM
so transaction fees have actually halved  Lips sealed


Its showing 435k satoshis per kb here, for 6 blocks confirmation. Last time I checked was around 300k.

1634  Economy / Speculation / Re: The big picture which may have been missed. on: January 17, 2018, 01:39:34 PM
Do you believe in the principle of our current (flawed) banking system ? Fine, do as you want and sell, try to profit the wave of cryptos, extend your fiat and forget about it. If you're right, every cryptos will go down eventually.
Do you believe in cryptos ? Buy more, hodl. If you're right, value will increase.


Your answer is in Venezuela.

It is not a matter of beliefs, but of facts.

1635  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 17, 2018, 12:44:31 PM
I thought it was 1776


He is celebrating the founding of the Royal Netherlands Navy, which was in 1488.
1636  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 17, 2018, 12:41:15 PM
I hope it stops at 8k.

But it can go to 5k, due to the noobs panicking. Just look at the other threads.

Never invest what you cannot lose. Never go all in. Always start with 5-15% of what you have.

Always hold it, until it matches what you want to buy with it, something expensive, like a sports car or a house.

And even when it matches what you want, dont sell it all, only a small part. Plan for dozens of cars or houses, not just one. Plan for a retirement.

Bitcoin critics are buying it at this moment. People like Dimon and Buffet are buying it. They dont need to understand the tech, they have clerks to take care of it.

The problem with these noobs is that they put all their money on it. Everything, their entire wages go to it. That's the recipe for disaster.
1637  Economy / Speculation / Re: SELLL!!!!!!!!! TESTED 2X AT 10200 = CRASH!!!!!! on: January 17, 2018, 12:27:28 PM
This crash happens every year, always in January.

This year is more intense, because of futures markets. They opened in December because they studied the charts, and noticed the usual crash in January.

Most of the pump starting in November was done by millionaires associated with hedge funds. This was after futures was announced by the end of October.

When futures opened in December, they bet on shorts, and using leverage, sold contracts by 10x the price. They sold contracts without having it, taking loans from the house.

Then they go back to the bitcoin exchanges and short it. They dont do it alone, but in groups, so it is all coordinated, like they did with gold and silver before. The short provokes a panic, the price matches the contract, and then they cash it out, with 10x the price stipulated in it. That is, if he shorted 1000 bitcoins, he got 10000 bitcoins, but with the value in cash.

What he will do with all this cash? He will buy more bitcoins and pump the price again, this time even higher because of the leverage. Rinse and repeat, and a lot of people will suffer from it.

It will become worse when it opens in Nasdaq, probably by April or May. Probably bitcoin will be "tamed" in a couple years, like they did with gold and silver. We just dont know at what price it will stay, as some of these millionaires are bulls and will bet on longs.

Now, someone will say that if you hold your bitcoins in cold storage, we might get safe due to smaller supply. But what dictate the price is what is being traded on the exchanges, so they can do the same thing with a low volume.

But nothing of this is possible if there is no panic.

The return to the mean in Eliott's Wave is between 5k and 8k. It should be 8k, if we count only those institutional pumps, but theres the panicked noobs, and they will drive the price even lower, to around 5k.

Bears will say the mean is between $200 and $800, but most of these bears are shilling for BCash, and wants the flippening to happen. However, every altcoin is going down with bitcoin, due to the panic. Notice that theres no future markets for altcoins, only for bitcoins, so the real driving force on this crash are the noobs selling it at a loss.
1638  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 16, 2018, 09:11:26 PM



Around 30k if follows the patterns of 2015 and 2016, and around 200k if follows the pattern of 2017.
1639  Economy / Speculation / Re: $800-$4000 will be the bottom. on: January 16, 2018, 08:36:46 PM
But from there until calling the bottom at 800$... there's quite a long way and makes OP get into the long list of FUDers.


Just add a zero to his numbers. The bottom will be between $8000 and $40000.
1640  Economy / Speculation / Re: $800-$4000 will be the bottom. on: January 16, 2018, 08:27:43 PM
It doesn´t really matter whether you look at LedgerX, CBOE or CME - the trading
volume is dismal at all of them! The introduction of Bitcoin futures so far hasn´t really
had any impact on the BTC price in my opinion.


Really? Who do you think was buying thousands of bitcoins in November and first half of December, after futures got announced? The same guys who are now betting for shorts. They pumped the price, and now they are dumping it. Then they claim the cash from their bets, and use it to buy more bitcoins, recovering what they lost dumping it. They use a leverage of 10x in their bets, so they win 10 times what they dumped. These are big players, they have millions of dollars at their disposal. We cant do anything against them, as anyone can buy criptos, even governments.

If there was no futures, we would be stationed around 10-11k by mid-December and falling to 7-8k due to the January dip (see charts from previous years). But what we had was a steep rise to 20k and now we are falling back to October levels.
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