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Economy / Speculation / Re: The Mt Gox coin sales
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on: March 08, 2018, 03:06:51 PM
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I know that the governments are going to settle it in cash which is unfair since BTC is now x10 of what it was during the Goxing.
What % will governments get?
Shareholders will get whatever amount is needed in order to cover their equivalent value back in the day, which is not that much, given that the price was cheaper.
What I don't know is if Karpeles will get it cash settled as well or will get the actual bitcoins back. I've read that Karpeles will get the actual coins and he will get a ton, more than 100k BTC...
I wonder how is it possible that Karpeles is going to get any coins at all after such a scam. He is going to be a billionaire and free of any jail sentences, amazing. So now Karpeles could crash the market after the thing ends.
And then the % for the government which is not clear to me.
Why would he receive all these coins when the users are settled in cash? He is probably going to receive in cash as well. Unless there's some manipulation going on, and he dump the coins following instructions from governments, taking some part of the profits for himself. They can very well do that. |
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Why this panic selling is good
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on: March 08, 2018, 03:02:42 PM
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He can't dump the coins in the bin. Someone's buying them. So there is a stable demand. The price of course will fall but it is quickly restored after the reset. I like that the coins will be distributed to different users. This will make the price more stable and predictable. Whales is always trouble for the users of cryptocurrencies.
If the whales arent buying it. |
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Economy / Speculation / Re: The Mt Gox coin sales
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on: March 08, 2018, 02:56:18 PM
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Apparently the trustee is also selling BCash, so I assume they are going to give them their BCash equivalents too.
He is not giving back the coins to the users. The issue is being settled in cash. Worse still, the price was settled at the time the "hack" happened, which will leave the users at a loss. Governments will still have thousands of bitcoins after the cash is distributed. They will be able to crash the price at any time. |
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin will never reach 20,000 again
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on: March 07, 2018, 09:31:45 PM
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Sorry but this is delusional.
Not if bitcoin was revolving around 16k right now, but isnt. We are going back to 8k AGAIN. So it will increase much less than it did in 2017. We will reach 20k in due time, but it can take weeks or a couple of months. If bitcoin will still be at 10k by April, then I would say 30-50k by the end of the year, but if it go higher, then 50-70k. I only hope that we have at least one sidechain ready, because the demand will be higher. |
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Apocalypse BTC! How low will it go?
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on: March 07, 2018, 08:15:55 PM
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But the last year BTC chart looks almost exactly like the doom/gloom bubble chart below we are all familiar with... (click on 1 year BTC link below and compare)
The take off looks like to be on 2 October. The bear trap is on 6 November. The "return to normal" is on 1 January. Now we are in the "return to mean" phase, but theres that hole in 19 February, which can be interpreted as a new bear trap. If it would be the entire year, the price should be around $2500 now. |
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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on: March 07, 2018, 07:58:24 PM
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Wealth transferred from naive consumers straight into Wall Street's front pocket. This ain't what I signed up for.
Me too. I only bought my first coin when I had a use case for it. But what can we do about it? People keep saying those futures markets are good for bitcoin, that we need "legitimacy" and "recognition" by the authorities. The results are right there. |
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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on: March 06, 2018, 02:25:19 PM
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From 12 to 8 is a 33% variation. Maybe this kind of variation will be the norm now.
Double the price from 6 to 12, fall to 8, then double again to 16, fall to around 10, then double again to 20. How much time would this take?
I dont think we can reach 100k this year anymore. For that, we would be at 20k right now.
But we can still reach 50-70k by the end of the year.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Weekend disaster?
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on: March 04, 2018, 04:37:29 PM
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Because the bank is closed, so the panic seller will not be able to withdraw fiat from it. In this way, when the market stabilizes in the coming week, the panic seller will re-buy bitcoin at a higher price, in case he had sold it in the weekend.
The panic buyer will also not be able to put fiat on the exchange and buy, during weekends, so he will buy in the coming week, when the price recovers.
Its a mechanism built on panic and anxiety. It works because most people are in bitcoin only to increase their fiat holdings, nothing more. They dont want to use bitcoin to buy stuff. I dont understand why the bankers fears it.
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Local / Português (Portuguese) / Re: Poloniex é Comprada por US$ 400 Milhões
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on: March 03, 2018, 12:48:28 AM
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No começo eu defendia bastante a exchange ser descentralizada assim como as moedas são descentralizadas... Na verdade, até hoje acho que deveriam ser, porém é inviável devido à segurança. Os usuários em geral não verificam o código, e sabemos que existem moedas com códigos maliciosos que podem comprometer os fundos dos usuários de uma exchange. E a questão do voto não resolve isso, pois no caso de existir uma moeda com código malicioso ia sempre ter pessoas defendendo os dois lados quanto à inclusão na exchange, negando que o código é inseguro. Por outro lado, nas exchanges privadas temos um pouco de segurança, porém estamos nas mãos dos interesses dos proprietários. Então o lance é pesar os dois lados, mas paricularmente ainda não sei qual é melhor. Porém assim que lançarem uma exchange descentralizada, eu não teria coragem de colocar meus investimentos lá no começo. Esperaria pelo menos 1 ano pra ver o que ia acontecer. Na verdade já tem um projeto desse, chamado "SUPERNET", um projeto liderado por ninguém menos do que o JL777 (o lendário "Whale" - sim, ele que deu origem ao termo "Baleia", usado hoje para se referir àqueles caras com enormes quantidades de BTC). Espero que dê certo. Vou colocar o link aí em baixo: http://barterdex.supernet.org/O código só é malicioso para quem comprar e vender a tal moeda. Não afetaria a blockchain da exchange, que seria separada das moedas. Cada moeda teria uma carteira separada. O unico risco seria se estas carteiras forem SPVs e correrem o risco de serem hackeadas, mas aí creio que seria o mesmo risco de alguém invadir sua conta numa exchange centralizada (quando, por exemplo, você não usa 2FA, já aconteceu comigo). |
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