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1221  Economy / Securities / Re: Financial Reporting for Securities on: June 05, 2013, 12:28:02 AM
Any advances in this department?

Maybe our exchanges of virtual shares can start demanding proper reporting?

I'm coming full circle on this.  Most of my attempts at cleaning up the landscape have backfired.  Even legit issuers go wherever regulation is most lax.  Can't blame them.  Why make things harder on yourself unnecessarily?

Businesses here are really simple so is the accounting.
It is not that hard to type in your income, expenses and value of you equipment, investments etc... unless you let is pile up or have no idea what you really got. If issuer do not know wtf is going on, how can investors know? Or let me put it this way, if issuers do not care to know... oh never mind, maybe this idea is years to early and we need to keep playing this kindergarten for few more years.

Yup, I hear ya.  All businesses should be doing spreadsheets internally just for their own operations.  If you are investing in a stock and they can't show you (at least) an overview of their numbers (at least) quarterly, you're in for a world of hurt.

I happen to have spreadsheets out the wazoo for my assets, but so far these are only privately necessary due to the nature of my assets.
1222  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: June 04, 2013, 10:46:33 PM
I wouldnt feel good with AM accepting credit card payments. Thats way too risky. Similar to getting paid with paypal.

So all the websites that accept credit cards are doomed and should immediately stop ?  Huh

No, but this is a BTC business and it is in all of our best interests that they only sell for BTC.
1223  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] TAT.VIRTUALMINE - IPO at 12PM EST - Early Bidding is Open on: June 04, 2013, 09:08:23 PM
I pity the person who sold 1000 TAT.VM shares at 0.0007 instead of 0.007 by mistake on bf .That's what created an interesting V in the chart.

hehe yeah i shaw and was like whaaaat?

Yeah, if you go to Bitfunder you can see there's almost always some asshole who's got an offer of 1000 or 10,000 or something for the same price as the IPO with the a zero or two extra after the decimal, trying to catch people slipping.  I guess it worked this time...

Still, I think it's an asshole thing to do.  Everyone on Bitfunder could be doing that, this guy isn't clever, just a dick.

The free market is so free that it sometimes goes commando.
1224  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: June 04, 2013, 08:55:21 PM
What is it with bitcoiners not seeing the value in professional communications & marketing? Other than better math skills, this is probably the most deficient aspect of bitcoin business.

Thanks, this is exactly my point.

Think Friedcat said something along the lines that these type of things are less important than working on building a better product for the shareholders.
And let the shareholders decide what to do with their bitcoins when it came to saving them. Since they had the funding they needed for their projects (Around the time of the large dividend when friedcat made his reply regarding AM growth)
That said they have enough to run the company so a marketing arm would be nice
Till then just the Facebook Fan page lol

By that interpretation, maybe we need to be setting up a separate arm of AM to market it. An AM Shareholders Fund or such. Of course this would be totally impractical because even if it got off of the ground, we'd have no knowledge of AM's production capacity or other plans that might relate to its marketing.

EDIT: That said, if AM is looking for marketing and advertising help, I'd be willing to spearhead the effort. Marketing & Branding are what I've spent most of my life doing...

Well TAT you are diversified enough in AM that you could make their advertising arm and marketing while advertising the pass-thrus and Virtual mine Smiley

Aim for the top 50 or bust
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=219416.0;topicseen

Also if your spearheading such a project drop me a line would help out as well to world conquest he-he

I already dabble Wink
1225  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: June 04, 2013, 08:41:14 PM
What is it with bitcoiners not seeing the value in professional communications & marketing? Other than better math skills, this is probably the most deficient aspect of bitcoin business.

Thanks, this is exactly my point.

Think Friedcat said something along the lines that these type of things are less important than working on building a better product for the shareholders.
And let the shareholders decide what to do with their bitcoins when it came to saving them. Since they had the funding they needed for their projects (Around the time of the large dividend when friedcat made his reply regarding AM growth)
That said they have enough to run the company so a marketing arm would be nice
Till then just the Facebook Fan page lol

By that interpretation, maybe we need to be setting up a separate arm of AM to market it. An AM Shareholders Fund or such. Of course this would be totally impractical because even if it got off of the ground, we'd have no knowledge of AM's production capacity or other plans that might relate to its marketing.

EDIT: That said, if AM is looking for marketing and advertising help, I'd be willing to spearhead the effort. Marketing & Branding are what I've spent most of my life doing...
1226  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTC-TC] Community Exchange w/ Options, DRIP, 2FA, API, CSV, etc. on: June 04, 2013, 08:23:29 PM
I'm not sure where or how to respond to the dissenting votes for my TAT.VIRTUALMINE application, so I will do so here:

I think here is a good place to discuss it.  I would hope that shareholders subscribe to the official site threads.

Cheers.


Is any guidance given to voters as to what requirements need to be met for a yes vote to be justifiable? Or is it merely up to each individual's personal values?
1227  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTC-TC] Community Exchange w/ Options, DRIP, 2FA, API, CSV, etc. on: June 04, 2013, 08:05:46 PM
I'm not sure where or how to respond to the dissenting votes for my TAT.VIRTUALMINE application, so I will do so here:

1. One person says this is not a bond, but it is. It is simply not the kind of bond people are used to. It is what's called a "callable structured bond" or simply a "structured bond".

2. Another person expresses that they simply will not approve a bond that is not guaranteed to pay out full ROI. First, I can easily argue that ALL bond assets present this risk. Furthermore, what I am providing is a dynamic and speculative instrument. This is not just a case of putting in X dollars, and knowing you will get X+Y% back on a specified date. Almost none of the bonds in bitcoin work that way anyway.

3. One person also says "A bond is a loan to be repaid. "Additional shares may be issued at fair market price at any time" means it can be diluted at any time." If it is a bond, then how can it be diluted? These structured bonds are ALWAYS worth 1MH/s, that is their denomination.

I know this is not your average offering, and I know it is a high-risk speculative tool, but the fact of the matter is that similar offerings already exist on BTCTC, and most of them are actually worse for the buyer in both risk and yield.

It is a bit frustrating to have to be held back for these reasons so far, as they are opinions, not fundamental flaws in my offering, nor based on any real concern for its viability, transparency, or reputation of the issuer.
1228  Economy / Auctions / Re: [AUCTION] 27 Direct ASICMINER Shares. No Minimums! on: June 04, 2013, 07:26:37 PM
i think a high bid from a guy whos label says potential scammer has confused everyone... I honestly dont know if theres any point in me bidding anymore so this auction is effectively over for me.  I cant compete with someone whos bid i won't know will count or not.  suspect others could be in the same boat.  It'll be interesting to see if there are any more bids now.



I have pm'd the auctioneer with a possible solution.
1229  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: June 04, 2013, 06:55:03 PM
Hi,

I think this is a great idea, since provides some organization and improves comunication between shareholders and Friedcat.

If somebody compiles it, i would like to add a question:

Q- ¿Had Friedcat considered to start an advertising campaign here in the forum?

I remember BFL campaign.  These guys may dont be great making chips, but they are good at marketing.  Every single person was noticed all the time, about that BFL ASICS.

I have read many shareholders focusing on ASICMINER website development. It could be fine, but i mean that a single advertising campaingn could works quite well improving sales and revenues.

Also, as a shareholder, i would like to include some ASICMINER advertise in my signature space.

Just curious, what benefit would a marketing campaign provide to shareholders? I speculate that there is no shortage of people willing to buy ASICMINER hardware (at this point, at least.)

What is it with bitcoiners not seeing the value in professional communications & marketing? Other than better math skills, this is probably the most deficient aspect of bitcoin business.
1230  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTCTC][[ASICMINER-PT]] - Public trading of ASICMINER shares on: June 04, 2013, 05:25:02 PM
Burnside, I have a pm out to you regarding LTCGlobal shares and voting rights already, but I do want to ask one particular question publically.

I recall that those shares provided voting rights for new assets, but when I read the current description, no such info is mentioned.

What happened?

There was a change in it to prevent people buying shares, voting on their own assets, then dumping the shares (change made after something along those lines actually happened).

Unless there's been a change since that and I've missed it (unlikely) current rule is that you get to vote once you've held 10 or more shares for at least 7 days.  I don't hold 10 or more shares so can't confirm for certain.

That info no longer appears either. Also, it would seem to be pretty impractical in costs to buy enough shares to vote your own asset up...

I don't see any rules about voting anywhere anyway...

Probably not the right thread for this.  Smiley

It's one of those things I'm happy to answer for shareholders, but not particularly excited about posting publicly.  The goal is to give shareholders a say in what shows up on the exchange, not the other way around.  (Giving scammers potential info on how to game it.)  Wink

Happy to answer any questions via PM or site support requests from shareholders.

Cheers.


Sorry, I keep mistaking this thread for the official BTCTC official one. However, I already did send the pm Smiley
1231  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTCTC][[ASICMINER-PT]] - Public trading of ASICMINER shares on: June 04, 2013, 04:18:58 PM
Burnside, I have a pm out to you regarding LTCGlobal shares and voting rights already, but I do want to ask one particular question publically.

I recall that those shares provided voting rights for new assets, but when I read the current description, no such info is mentioned.

What happened?

There was a change in it to prevent people buying shares, voting on their own assets, then dumping the shares (change made after something along those lines actually happened).

Unless there's been a change since that and I've missed it (unlikely) current rule is that you get to vote once you've held 10 or more shares for at least 7 days.  I don't hold 10 or more shares so can't confirm for certain.

That info no longer appears either. Also, it would seem to be pretty impractical in costs to buy enough shares to vote your own asset up...

I don't see any rules about voting anywhere anyway...
1232  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTCTC][[ASICMINER-PT]] - Public trading of ASICMINER shares on: June 04, 2013, 04:00:36 PM
Burnside, I have a pm out to you regarding LTCGlobal shares and voting rights already, but I do want to ask one particular question publically.

I recall that those shares provided voting rights for new assets, but when I read the current description, no such info is mentioned.

What happened?
1233  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: June 04, 2013, 03:56:32 PM
If #2 is true, can the price increase be more "artificial" that what we think? If AM is steadily buying backs shares, it pushes price up but without reflecting actual demand for it.


I have confirmation that there is more than one payout address.

Can you find out which one so we can correct this study?


I believe the other payout address(es) are private intentionally, to protect very large shareholders.
1234  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: June 04, 2013, 03:37:55 PM
If #2 is true, can the price increase be more "artificial" that what we think? If AM is steadily buying backs shares, it pushes price up but without reflecting actual demand for it.


I have confirmation that there is more than one payout address.
1235  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: June 04, 2013, 03:24:32 PM
Everyone, please stop dominating your discussion and, more importantly, your thinking in USD. Thus is a Bitcoin operating operating in China that is minting bitcoins by mining and selling hardware globally.

Random interjection is random.
1236  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: June 04, 2013, 03:10:25 PM
At least missing the 21516 that BTC Trading Co claims they have. That's a good place to start.

Not to mention all the TAT shares they have.

Mine are in there, as I mentioned earlier. I expect that all of Burnside's and DeadTerra's are in there as well.

There are only two likely answers:

1. There is a pool of shareholders that are paid from a 2nd address.
2. Bitfountain/AM have bought back shares.

If #2 is true, this changes the whole outlook for the current market price, meaning that most of the public shares are already in circulation on the passthroughs, and that there are very few "direct" shares left to buy. If this is true, it would be great for price stability, and possibly lead to an increase in value for all shares.

This is something I would love to hear Friedcat chime in on.

On that note, I think someone should compile a list of FAQ from shareholders that have gone unanswered. This list should be have no more than 3 questions at a time, and be posted in some kind of clear, concise way here, and in a pm to Friedcat. We should not waste his time with bullshit requests, but real relevant questions would be nice.

Discuss!
1237  Economy / Auctions / Re: Another 575 ASICMINER shares (Fixed price) on: June 04, 2013, 03:03:14 PM
Payment sent!
1238  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] TAT.VIRTUALMINE - IPO at 12PM EST - Early Bidding is Open on: June 04, 2013, 02:22:38 PM
How would you get on the other side of this currently?

This issue is logically a bet against network difficulty increase.

Are there any securities or derivatives that would place you on the other side?

https://bitfunder.com/asset/CoinBr.iDiff-O
1239  Economy / Auctions / Re: Another 575 ASICMINER shares (Fixed price) on: June 04, 2013, 01:24:45 PM
Hah.  Alright.   Smiley  Done and done.

I saw the transaction for the rest of the shares, btw.  Thanks!

Waiting for payment:
Code:
caoxg		25  shares
ThickAsThieves 395 shares
gravito 10  shares

[/quote]

Escrow request has been initiated with John K.

Nothing against Chaang-Noi, but I have a partner on this deal and he wanted to go with the most trusted provider known. Smiley
1240  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] TAT.VIRTUALMINE - IPO at 12PM EST - Early Bidding is Open on: June 04, 2013, 12:37:28 PM
Just as an FYI, my intent is for this asset to last as long as possible. The buyback terms are there as a way to exit the asset if necessary (something I hope to avoid as long as possible) not as a design to "pull a fast one" the moment it appears profitable to do so. I can't predict the future, and I definitely needed a way to stop the train if that's what's called for.

Keep in mind that if/when this asset depreciates, new bonds could still be issued at market prices, which could keep this asset afloat longer than most. The inspiration for this offering was indeed to find the bottom price for mining hashes, and provide that price, thus correcting the entire PMB (and some regular hardware mining) asset market.

I'm not saying this asset will last forever, or be perpetually profitable, or will never depreciate, or will never close down. I'm simply saying it was built to be used an instrument to anyone that understands how to use it, as well as any that don't.

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