Hah! Years. By then it will be long over.

Right, I've followed that chain of events/thoughts pretty well so far, and I am familiar with organofcorti's claims too.

The data hall is full of jupiters, not neptunes, right ?

And it is hash power from this hall which makes it possible for KNC to provide you with a plan B in case Neptune is late, right ?

So basically,  many of you cancelled your Neptune orders for refunds or for FrankenJupiter pain when Neptune wasn't late, and those of you who didn't got rewarded with the promise of a 2 for 1 deal.

And you cancelled because KNC built a data hall out of company profits and started mining bitcoin just like everybody else ?

The only complexity in this story seems to be their promise not to mine with more than 5% of the hashrate they sell …  I guess if organofcorti's analysis is correct, the claim that they broke this promise must be true.

Good luck to all of you miners hoping to have bitcoin mining all to your self.

Nobody thought this would happen? As soon as KnC started announcing that datorhall, they should have expected someone would come along with actual good intentions and pull the rug from under their feet, sad though it is to say, i'll give that KnC farm until christmas before they are forced to power it down due to an actual spread of the network hashrate being too big for it to cope... alternatively Dr Bunsen and Beaker could become resellers for Spondoolies in Scandinavia 

"The aggressive push for sales" was explained at some length, for example: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=521520.msg6293879#msg6293879

We're directing wandering customers to the group buy: http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/blogs/news/13780541-special-easter-passover-discount-on-sp30-group-purchase

We don't guarantee or promise ROI. We do believe it's a terrific deal with very good chance for an excellent ROI. We can't predict the hash-rate. We can't predict BTC value.

We never said that we won't be accountable for delays. We did say that we'll deliver on time and on spec.

We wouldn't have taken pre-orders if we had any doubts about our ability to deliver. We won't take pre-orders for our 3rd gen which is an higher risk.

yes

Hey dumbass, why even open your mouth and confirm you're retarded?

Those module boards should NEVEREVEREVEREVEREVEREVER be called wafers. It makes me cry!!



Now go crawl back to whatever filthy hole you came from.  Or I'll cry some more and get abusive...

okay, then you are simply way off base, as I never said anything like that.
and its a personal attack against me, which is off topic and unwarranted, unwanted, and obviously a venting of frustration because you know I posted the coindesk Gox article above and you are in denial. Childish.

c'mon

You forgot to mark the sentence "KNC really is mining to bail out Gox".
All I can read is that a group of investors is interested into Gox and offers 1 btc for it.
Nowhere it says they will pay for any losses at all.

What will happen is:
The investors are profiting from all the personal data about you stored in Gox's databases
The remaining company funds will be used to pay out what's left - a fraction of your lost BTC.
The only money they will invest is to keep up the daily work, to expand the business, develop new features and do some marketing.
They will never ever invest from their personal pockets 650.000 BTC to pay out all missing funds.

Thinking that KnC as a company, who are not even directly involved in this Investment, are willing to spend 90% of their company profits  to pay out your lost Gox coins makes me wonder in what mental state you are.
These are separate pockets, even if there's one person coincidently connected to both KnC and Gox.

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Back to KnCMiner's  Big Picture.
KnC was founded by miners who where unhappy when they bought mining-hardware themselves, so they wanted to become their own manufacturer (statement from last yrs April or so). Plus banking background and the picture is complete. You make others pay your chip dev, manufacturing house and datorhalls then get rid of them.

*) limited batch1+2 and nothing else except a hand full of RMA-boards sold as upgrades (collect necessary fundings, but keep diff low)
*) controller boards with 6 ports for a 4 board miner (datacenter was plan A)
*) 'keep some coins handy' (do not buy from competition)
*) collect big money after implying trustworthiness and competence from Jupiter batch1+2 and
 put it Q1 for second gen when it never was a real possibility (get more free loans)
*) mining against customers, so the customers are competition
*) refunding over time some with the profits made from Datorhall which has been built with Neptue preorder money
*) announcing an offer forcing the remaining, from an economical point of view, to refund (now they can keep it all themselves, less competition)
*) maybe some cash was still missing, so they did a Titan ponzi scheme, at the end there will be no Titan but a refund or conversion to neptune cloud
*) offering old hardware (400*18 boards) with 90 day warranty in order to replace it with 20nm tech (seems like dataorhall comes first). They will replace a row of 6 boards with 4 new Neptune boards (Jupiter: 18*400=7200; Neptune: 1200*4=4800).

I'm sure the 'soon' delivery means something else than everyone hopes who was going for this option..
now --> next week ---> very soon -----> soon ------> soonish -------> end of time

believe the new owner is in japan if he's the same guy running kalyhost

which is not good considering epic disaster