Cricket match prediction discussions

[noormcs5]

It remains to be seen how Pakistan cricket has improved during his tenure. Whatever the cricket board chairman says irrelevantly. But it is true that even though Pakistan cricket has improved, Ramij Raja is viewed negatively by many in the cricketing world. Because there is some differences in his speech. After all we want every country's cricket to thrive and conduct cricket with honesty and integrity. As a result at least cricket will improve.

No doubt we have too many positive changes after arrival of Ramiz Raja as President of PCB even till very long way to go for them if they want to be bigger and stable in this game and around the world but still good approach by him for handling things which was never been good and favourable for the long term games future but as few already mentioning above positive and negative points of this post and attitude this is surely happening in subcontinent specially in Pakistan because system is not strong and many form cricketers which fail to have any post or contract with leagues can also show their frustration even they never deserve for this post, but they feel it's not justifying by them hopefully things will be changed, and they could be able to understand this all.

Pakistan has emerged as a strongest team in the world in almost 2 3 years and hard work is obvious in that . Definitely there is a role of PCB in that too from finding these great talented boys and polish them to bring the best out of them. Everything is clear and transparent so just appreciate things right now and look at the positive side of the picture.

How do you say that Pakistan is the strongest team in recent few years when they are not able to win a major ICC tournament recently? Even if in their home series they lost to England by 4-3 in the seven T20 games series.

Yes, I agree that the Pakistan team possesses some greatest talent in batting and bowling but when it comes to the overall performance of the team, they lack consistency, and hence they are unable to win the series and tournaments.

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[dezoel]

How do you say that Pakistan is the strongest team in recent few years when they are not able to win a major ICC tournament recently? Even if in their home series they lost to England by 4-3 in the seven T20 games series.

Yes, I agree that the Pakistan team possesses some greatest talent in batting and bowling but when it comes to the overall performance of the team, they lack consistency, and hence they are unable to win the series and tournaments.

Saying Pakistan is the strongest side not good they are just good and exciting side which is unpredictable and can give any result on their day like on first day they are losing against Zimbabwe then on next day they can beat team like South Africa which is their best part they have few quality bowlers and batsmen but still they have never been ideal unit due to their unpredictable nature and poor management which is long term issue with them most of the players having issue with non issues things which never solved.

Recently I watch social media and YouTube there was too much noise about their World Cup selection and now again team which is going to compete against England for the test series but no one caring about this all because mostly things happen just for some attention on media.

[JSRAW]

How do you say that Pakistan is the strongest team in recent few years when they are not able to win a major ICC tournament recently? Even if in their home series they lost to England by 4-3 in the seven T20 games series.

Yes, I agree that the Pakistan team possesses some greatest talent in batting and bowling but when it comes to the overall performance of the team, they lack consistency, and hence they are unable to win the series and tournaments.

I believe he might be talking about T-20 performance only. 

IMO They are an excellent T-20 side but okay in ODI and average in the Red ball cricket. @dezoel mentioned the keyword unpredictable and I tend to agree with this term that they are a highly unpredictable team and for this reason, they are exciting even when they play poor cricket.

[Juggy777]

How do you say that Pakistan is the strongest team in recent few years when they are not able to win a major ICC tournament recently? Even if in their home series they lost to England by 4-3 in the seven T20 games series.

Yes, I agree that the Pakistan team possesses some greatest talent in batting and bowling but when it comes to the overall performance of the team, they lack consistency, and hence they are unable to win the series and tournaments.

I believe he might be talking about T-20 performance only.  

IMO They are an excellent T-20 side but okay in ODI and average in the Red ball cricket. @dezoel mentioned the keyword unpredictable and I tend to agree with this term that they are a highly unpredictable team and for this reason, they are exciting even when they play poor cricket.

@JSRAW I too agree that they’re really unpredictable because all had expected them to crash out early in the T20 World Cup, but they managed to reach the finals surprising all including their fan’s. However they do have the potential to become one of the strongest team, but for that their player’s need to have a better mentality because at time’s they just tend to give up way to easily.

[Sithara007]

If the USA starts playing cricket more seriously, ICC is going to benefit a lot from them because looking at the USA, a lot of other countries are also going to be very interested in cricket. But that is not happening. The USA is just here because ICC is giving them a shitload of money. Those types of money are not even being given to the top-tier African teams. And the USA is getting that money for free. I wouldn’t have any problem with this type of money actually including the popularity of cricket in the USA. But that did not happen either.

Back in 2000, Jag Mohan Dalmiya (then president of the ICC) announced that he will make the United States as a priority market for cricket expansion. More than two decades have passed, and there has been no growth at the grassroot levels. US team is entirely made up of former U-19 and first class cricketers from India, Pakistan and West Indies. And the USACA is one of the most corrupt cricket boards in the word. Over the years, more hundreds of millions of USD in funds were provided by the ICC, and most of this remains untraced and unaccounted.

[coinism]

Back in 2000, Jag Mohan Dalmiya (then president of the ICC) announced that he will make the United States as a priority market for cricket expansion. More than two decades have passed, and there has been no growth at the grassroot levels. US team is entirely made up of former U-19 and first class cricketers from India, Pakistan and West Indies. And the USACA is one of the most corrupt cricket boards in the word. Over the years, more hundreds of millions of USD in funds were provided by the ICC, and most of this remains untraced and unaccounted.

On one side ICC is giving boards like usa millions of usd for cricket development with no progress while countries which have huge potential for cricket are ignored by ICC like Kenya. The focus should be on countries where there are native players who play cricket not countries like UAE, Oman thay make up team of expats.

[Sithara007]

Back in 2000, Jag Mohan Dalmiya (then president of the ICC) announced that he will make the United States as a priority market for cricket expansion. More than two decades have passed, and there has been no growth at the grassroot levels. US team is entirely made up of former U-19 and first class cricketers from India, Pakistan and West Indies. And the USACA is one of the most corrupt cricket boards in the word. Over the years, more hundreds of millions of USD in funds were provided by the ICC, and most of this remains untraced and unaccounted.

On one side ICC is giving boards like usa millions of usd for cricket development with no progress while countries which have huge potential for cricket are ignored by ICC like Kenya. The focus should be on countries where there are native players who play cricket not countries like UAE, Oman thay make up team of expats.

Who will tell the ICC? I am not expecting any big changes for the next cycle (2024-31) as well. It pains me that what happened to Kenya is repeating with other associates as well. BTW, the African qualifiers for the next T20 World Cup are ongoing right now. A total of 16 teams are taking part and almost all of them are majority native. I enjoyed watching some of the matches in Fancode. The overall quality shows a continuous improvement. Some of the newcomers such as Mali and Seychelles are struggling, but I am sure that they will also catch up.

[laurenB7742]

Back in 2000, Jag Mohan Dalmiya (then president of the ICC) announced that he will make the United States as a priority market for cricket expansion. More than two decades have passed, and there has been no growth at the grassroot levels. US team is entirely made up of former U-19 and first class cricketers from India, Pakistan and West Indies. And the USACA is one of the most corrupt cricket boards in the word. Over the years, more hundreds of millions of USD in funds were provided by the ICC, and most of this remains untraced and unaccounted.

On one side ICC is giving boards like usa millions of usd for cricket development with no progress while countries which have huge potential for cricket are ignored by ICC like Kenya. The focus should be on countries where there are native players who play cricket not countries like UAE, Oman thay make up team of expats.

Can anyone explain to me why this is happening? I really have no idea why the ICC is still funding them. There is no point in doing that because they are not improving at all in my opinion. They are just taking the money and doing who knows what. I don't think this money is actually being used for the improvement of cricket in the USA.

Who will tell the ICC? I am not expecting any big changes for the next cycle (2024-31) as well. It pains me that what happened to Kenya is repeating with other associates as well. BTW, the African qualifiers for the next T20 World Cup are ongoing right now. A total of 16 teams are taking part and almost all of them are majority native. I enjoyed watching some of the matches in Fancode. The overall quality shows a continuous improvement. Some of the newcomers such as Mali and Seychelles are struggling, but I am sure that they will also catch up.

Obviously, no one is in a position to speak anything to the ICC. Any board that wishes to address the ICC has to be one of the top 4 boards. Umm, but they are not intending to do that. And if any smaller cricket board decides to say anything, they are not going to be heard of by the ICC. Cricket has been played for a long time. But it's a shame that we still have to see a cricket world cup being played by only 12-16 teams.

[noormcs5]

How do you say that Pakistan is the strongest team in recent few years when they are not able to win a major ICC tournament recently? Even if in their home series they lost to England by 4-3 in the seven T20 games series.

Yes, I agree that the Pakistan team possesses some greatest talent in batting and bowling but when it comes to the overall performance of the team, they lack consistency, and hence they are unable to win the series and tournaments.

Saying Pakistan is the strongest side not good they are just good and exciting side which is unpredictable and can give any result on their day like on first day they are losing against Zimbabwe then on next day they can beat team like South Africa which is their best part they have few quality bowlers and batsmen but still they have never been ideal unit due to their unpredictable nature and poor management which is long term issue with them most of the players having issue with non issues things which never solved.

Recently I watch social media and YouTube there was too much noise about their World Cup selection and now again team which is going to compete against England for the test series but no one caring about this all because mostly things happen just for some attention on media.

I would say that people create too much hype about the Pakistan team's performances when I don't see any consistency in the team. Without any consistency how can one think that they are a good cricketing nation 

@JSRAW I too agree that they’re really unpredictable because all had expected them to crash out early in the T20 World Cup, but they managed to reach the finals surprising all including their fan’s. However they do have the potential to become one of the strongest team, but for that their player’s need to have a better mentality because at time’s they just tend to give up way to easily.

Don't you think that their unpredictable nature makes it extremely difficult to bet on the matches in which the Pakistan team is playing? I already had a bad experience as I lost some significant money while betting against them 
Now I avoid betting on their matches.

[BobK71]

I would say that people create too much hype about the Pakistan team's performances when I don't see any consistency in the team. Without any consistency how can one think that they are a good cricketing nation 

One of the major problems of Pakistani cricket is their lack of consistency. I have seen few matches of last Asia Cup where Pakistan performed very well. I was sure that Pakistan might win the Asia Cup. Pakistan won against several teams including India, Afghanistan, Hong Kong and Bangladesh but lost against Sri Lanka in the final. Again their performance was good in World Cup cricket but they could not score runs in the final match. All in all they have potential but they are not able to utilize that potential. When consistency comes into their game they can be hopeful of victory in any tournament.

[JSRAW]

Back in 2000, Jag Mohan Dalmiya (then president of the ICC) announced that he will make the United States as a priority market for cricket expansion. More than two decades have passed, and there has been no growth at the grassroot levels. US team is entirely made up of former U-19 and first class cricketers from India, Pakistan and West Indies. And the USACA is one of the most corrupt cricket boards in the word. Over the years, more hundreds of millions of USD in funds were provided by the ICC, and most of this remains untraced and unaccounted.

On one side ICC is giving boards like usa millions of usd for cricket development with no progress while countries which have huge potential for cricket are ignored by ICC like Kenya. The focus should be on countries where there are native players who play cricket not countries like UAE, Oman thay make up team of expats.

How much money USACA get from the ICC anyway?

Last I heard they were going bankrupt and ICC had to stop their funding because of irregularity in their financial accounts. Don't know what happened after that but it wasn't a hunky dory situation for them.

[TheGreatPython]

@JSRAW I too agree that they’re really unpredictable because all had expected them to crash out early in the T20 World Cup, but they managed to reach the finals surprising all including their fan’s. However they do have the potential to become one of the strongest team, but for that their player’s need to have a better mentality because at time’s they just tend to give up way to easily.

Don't you think that their unpredictable nature makes it extremely difficult to bet on the matches in which the Pakistan team is playing? I already had a bad experience as I lost some significant money while betting against them  
Now I avoid betting on their matches.

Surely this is beauty of the game mostly you have to watch games without any bet which is also really amazing stuff and this is not happening first time as we have last Champions Trophy no one caring about Pakistan and bookmakers put them at sixth or seventh number, but they won this trophy same stuff happening here in this T20i World Cup while most of the bookmakers and fans were feeling England, India, New Zealand and Australia are hot favourite then Pakistan jumps into final which is completely miracle from them and Netherlands.

But sadly most of the time people are not caring about this, and they want most of the games predictable which is clearly unusual as right now we have interesting stuff with many games in Soccer World Cup are ending into shocking results which is creating amazing stuff for the fans around the world.

[Tony116]

I would say that people create too much hype about the Pakistan team's performances when I don't see any consistency in the team. Without any consistency how can one think that they are a good cricketing nation 

One of the major problems of Pakistani cricket is their lack of consistency. I have seen few matches of last Asia Cup where Pakistan performed very well. I was sure that Pakistan might win the Asia Cup. Pakistan won against several teams including India, Afghanistan, Hong Kong and Bangladesh but lost against Sri Lanka in the final. Again their performance was good in World Cup cricket but they could not score runs in the final match. All in all they have potential but they are not able to utilize that potential. When consistency comes into their game they can be hopeful of victory in any tournament.

Pakistan has been playing cricket for a very long time. It is a shame that we still have to say Pakistan has some potential. By this time, there should be one of the finest teams in the world, not a potentially good team. They should have been able to compete against the most competitive teams like Australia, England, and India, and not have one-sided losses. We can often see that Pakistan loses key matches.

It always feels like Pakistanis only keeping their opponent, in a good fight, but not performing well enough to win in many cases. Just like the World Cup final. Pakistan should have been able to do much better. But in the end, the only thing we could say was that Pakistan had given Australia a good fight.

[dezoel]

I would say that people create too much hype about the Pakistan team's performances when I don't see any consistency in the team. Without any consistency how can one think that they are a good cricketing nation 

One of the major problems of Pakistani cricket is their lack of consistency. I have seen few matches of last Asia Cup where Pakistan performed very well. I was sure that Pakistan might win the Asia Cup. Pakistan won against several teams including India, Afghanistan, Hong Kong and Bangladesh but lost against Sri Lanka in the final. Again their performance was good in World Cup cricket but they could not score runs in the final match. All in all they have potential but they are not able to utilize that potential. When consistency comes into their game they can be hopeful of victory in any tournament.

Even Pakistan cricket is never been ideal but still they have amazing history with many ups and downs and interesting records are going with them in last fifty years they had never been consistent by nature even right now their women's team is also not consistent one day they beat India and very next day they lost against Thailand which is really shocking thing happening in this game by Pakistan.

In last three big events they lost against Australia in last world Cup UAE then they lost against Sri Lanka in Asian Cup Final and now lost against England in T20i World Cup final is surely one of the amazing stuff but no ideal because they need to work on few basic things which are important but good thing they are giving their best in really difficult situation which is another interesting stuff from them.

[Sithara007]

How much money USACA get from the ICC anyway?

Last I heard they were going bankrupt and ICC had to stop their funding because of irregularity in their financial accounts. Don't know what happened after that but it wasn't a hunky dory situation for them.

The USACA gets more than other associate nations such as Nepal and Papua New Guinea, because the United States is a "priority area" for the ICC. I am not sure about the exact allocation, but it is definitely more than $1 million per year (Nepal receives around $200,000 per year). The USACA uses most of this amount to "buy" players from West Indies and South Asia. A large part of their national team players are former U-19 players from West Indies and Pakistan, as well as a few first-class and international players. And a significant share of the funds get stolen, and that is the reason why they are facing bankruptcy.

[JSRAW]

How much money USACA get from the ICC anyway?

Last I heard they were going bankrupt and ICC had to stop their funding because of irregularity in their financial accounts. Don't know what happened after that but it wasn't a hunky dory situation for them.

The USACA gets more than other associate nations such as Nepal and Papua New Guinea, because the United States is a "priority area" for the ICC. I am not sure about the exact allocation, but it is definitely more than $1 million per year (Nepal receives around $200,000 per year). The USACA uses most of this amount to "buy" players from West Indies and South Asia. A large part of their national team players are former U-19 players from West Indies and Pakistan, as well as a few first-class and international players. And a significant share of the funds get stolen, and that is the reason why they are facing bankruptcy.

Not sure if it's a correct assessment.

I remember reading a USACA bankruptcy report last month or so and it looked like ICC stopped USACA funding for like 1-2 quarters, mainly due to their accounting %uckups and the amount was more or less the same as $200K.

This is a recent report.
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/sports/usa-cricket-cash-flow-situation-critical-icc-suspends-funding-for-third-quarter-report/articleshow/94595230.cms

[Sithara007]

Not sure if it's a correct assessment.

I remember reading a USACA bankruptcy report last month or so and it looked like ICC stopped USACA funding for like 1-2 quarters, mainly due to their accounting %uckups and the amount was more or less the same as $200K.

This is a recent report.
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/sports/usa-cricket-cash-flow-situation-critical-icc-suspends-funding-for-third-quarter-report/articleshow/94595230.cms

The 200K figure that is given in the article is for the pending invoices (match fees and other payments owed to the players and non-playing staff), and not the allocation from the ICC. US is one of the priority countries (others being Scotland, UAE, Oman.etc) and therefore receive a higher than average annual allocation from the ICC. And it surprises me that despite receiving so much from the ICC, they failed to find enough money to pay their players and contractors. And till now, no one knows where all the money went.

[coinism]

Pakistan has been playing cricket for a very long time. It is a shame that we still have to say Pakistan has some potential. By this time, there should be one of the finest teams in the world, not a potentially good team. They should have been able to compete against the most competitive teams like Australia, England, and India, and not have one-sided losses. We can often see that Pakistan loses key matches.

It always feels like Pakistanis only keeping their opponent, in a good fight, but not performing well enough to win in many cases. Just like the World Cup final. Pakistan should have been able to do much better. But in the end, the only thing we could say was that Pakistan had given Australia a good fight.

If you are referring to last T20 WC then it was England not Australia that beat Pakistan after a tense fight. I don't think India in current form can be classified as competitive team (just an average team), Pakistan right now is as good as good as any other test team. The issue with Pakistan is there struggling middle order, if they can find few players that can play well at number 4,5 and 6 position then they have bowling lineup that can easily win the match. 

[Juggy777]

I would say that people create too much hype about the Pakistan team's performances when I don't see any consistency in the team. Without any consistency how can one think that they are a good cricketing nation  

One of the major problems of Pakistani cricket is their lack of consistency. I have seen few matches of last Asia Cup where Pakistan performed very well. I was sure that Pakistan might win the Asia Cup. Pakistan won against several teams including India, Afghanistan, Hong Kong and Bangladesh but lost against Sri Lanka in the final. Again their performance was good in World Cup cricket but they could not score runs in the final match. All in all they have potential but they are not able to utilize that potential. When consistency comes into their game they can be hopeful of victory in any tournament.

Pakistan has been playing cricket for a very long time. It is a shame that we still have to say Pakistan has some potential. By this time, there should be one of the finest teams in the world, not a potentially good team. They should have been able to compete against the most competitive teams like Australia, England, and India, and not have one-sided losses. We can often see that Pakistan loses key matches.

It always feels like Pakistanis only keeping their opponent, in a good fight, but not performing well enough to win in many cases. Just like the World Cup final. Pakistan should have been able to do much better. But in the end, the only thing we could say was that Pakistan had given Australia a good fight.

@Tony116 I believe that PCB is at fault here for not grooming player’s well and not helping them cultivate the winning mentality which effects them when they play in important matches. Furthermore if PCB can sort out their issue's then Pakistan can dominate all format’s of cricket for a very long time, but in my personal opinion it’ll take few year’s before they can win matches/tournaments on the same level like Australia, England and team India do.

[wiss19]

I believe that PCB is at fault here for not grooming player’s well and not helping them cultivate the winning mentality which effects them when they play in important matches. Furthermore if PCB can sort out their issue's then Pakistan can dominate all format’s of cricket for a very long time, but in my personal opinion it’ll take few year’s before they can win matches/tournaments on the same level like Australia, England and team India do.

In subcontinent most of the boards are not having any well settled system which helps players, and they can do good for the long term most of the time we have issues of nepotism and personal like and dislikes which is surely killing merit and talent of the many youths even in many areas we have serious domestic issues which never allow having positive development for the progress of the game.

In recent years, we have few good changes in Pakistan domestic system but still it's never been easy to adopt them and have positive results from this all because political influence and many other aspects are creating mess up which never allowing to have strong system with merit and helpful for quality players to give their best just because of this when they are playing in SENA countries they never have confident mostly they play under pressure and lost games narrowly.