Cricket match prediction discussions

[Tony116]

@Tony116 I believe that PCB is at fault here for not grooming player’s well and not helping them cultivate the winning mentality which effects them when they play in important matches. Furthermore if PCB can sort out their issue's then Pakistan can dominate all format’s of cricket for a very long time, but in my personal opinion it’ll take few year’s before they can win matches/tournaments on the same level like Australia, England and team India do.

It is undoubtedly going to take time because Pakistan is not in a stable position from a political standpoint. And of course, the political situation of a country is far more complicated and consequential than cricket. Obviously, they should look to fix those problems first. A country gets recognized through cricket. But a country cannot even function properly without a stable political situation. And even with all those problems, I think Pakistan is doing quite well. But there is no doubt that they will have to do better if they want to compete at the top level.

This not only fits to Pakistan many other countries are also losing quality due to too much involvement of Franchise cricket which is all about power hitting instead of technique and skills just few countries are having level, but this is also far from which few have around 15 to 20 years back now it's all about money and time pass like Soccer players are doing in world in next few years things could be more the worst about the technique and quality of cricket because we have few big leagues are not attracting players in T10 league and The Hundred.

Pakistan's domestic setup is also not world-class even they have good funds and things to manage this but corruption which is the biggest issue in third world countries which preventing to have fair system and better things for bringing quality players in system whereas Australia and England are much stronger in this case.

Pakistan cricket board has lots of problems to deal with. And the fact that Pakistan could not host international cricket for a long time has been a big problem for them. Obviously when a country is not being able to host international cricket, and that has also been the case for so long, the parents of a lot of young kids who are interested in cricket are obviously more likely to say that cricket is not the right path to choose. At least not professionally. And that also causes a lot of problems.

Another thing that I am not very sure about but I have my doubts is that the Pakistan cricket board has a few corrupt individuals. They are also not helping the improvement of Pakistan cricket. And another thing is that as long as the selectors are not going to be unbiased, the national team is not going to improve.

Pakistan has produced a lot of world-class players. But I agree with you that the setup of Pakistan cricket is not very good, to be honest. And domestic setup is obviously not as it should be.

[redsun114]

Every player is not going to be able to perform every day. And Pakistan has to understand that really well. If they are expecting Babar Azam, Rizwan, and Shaheen Shah Afridi to perform on a regular basis, they will have some problems. Because they might have one or two off days. Those days, there should have been other players who could take their place and do well for Pakistan. But right now I do not see any players like that. There are players who can come in clutch against weaker opponents like Afghanistan or Bangladesh. But not against those more formidable opponents like Australia, England, or India.

Here, we have to check ground realities as well for Pakistan cricket which is never been ideal as they are completely failure to have good and strong domestic setup which is important for having good and positive results in all levels with their pitches and grounds are also not giving them good facilities which increase players confidence, and they are able to perform good in all environments these all things needs professional approach which is not in current system even Ramiz Raja is doing good things but still it's long way to go for them because of political influence they are not able to have required results.

Right now we have good things happening at the top of India with now they are able to challenge teams like England and Australia which having the strongest system, but Pakistan is completely failure in this with in today match first day of game how things going this is clearly giving all details to every one who is related to cricket.

[KennyR]

@Tony116 I believe that PCB is at fault here for not grooming player’s well and not helping them cultivate the winning mentality which effects them when they play in important matches. Furthermore if PCB can sort out their issue's then Pakistan can dominate all format’s of cricket for a very long time, but in my personal opinion it’ll take few year’s before they can win matches/tournaments on the same level like Australia, England and team India do.

It is undoubtedly going to take time because Pakistan is not in a stable position from a political standpoint. And of course, the political situation of a country is far more complicated and consequential than cricket. Obviously, they should look to fix those problems first. A country gets recognized through cricket. But a country cannot even function properly without a stable political situation. And even with all those problems, I think Pakistan is doing quite well. But there is no doubt that they will have to do better if they want to compete at the top level.

This not only fits to Pakistan many other countries are also losing quality due to too much involvement of Franchise cricket which is all about power hitting instead of technique and skills just few countries are having level, but this is also far from which few have around 15 to 20 years back now it's all about money and time pass like Soccer players are doing in world in next few years things could be more the worst about the technique and quality of cricket because we have few big leagues are not attracting players in T10 league and The Hundred.

Pakistan's domestic setup is also not world-class even they have good funds and things to manage this but corruption which is the biggest issue in third world countries which preventing to have fair system and better things for bringing quality players in system whereas Australia and England are much stronger in this case.

Pakistan cricket board has lots of problems to deal with. And the fact that Pakistan could not host international cricket for a long time has been a big problem for them. Obviously when a country is not being able to host international cricket, and that has also been the case for so long, the parents of a lot of young kids who are interested in cricket are obviously more likely to say that cricket is not the right path to choose. At least not professionally. And that also causes a lot of problems.

Another thing that I am not very sure about but I have my doubts is that the Pakistan cricket board has a few corrupt individuals. They are also not helping the improvement of Pakistan cricket. And another thing is that as long as the selectors are not going to be unbiased, the national team is not going to improve.

Pakistan has produced a lot of world-class players. But I agree with you that the setup of Pakistan cricket is not very good, to be honest. And domestic setup is obviously not as it should be.

The country had a big break in hosting tournaments. The same keeps them down. They're are at the beginning of building new cricketing infrastructure within the country. As mentioned the domestic cricket is good, but not to the level of neighbouring countries. The Pakistan Super League is another setback, taking the revenue into consideration the importance might've moved towards it. Corruption is all around and there will be corrupt hands that truly destruct the progress.

[BobK71]

@Tony116 I believe that PCB is at fault here for not grooming player’s well and not helping them cultivate the winning mentality which effects them when they play in important matches. Furthermore if PCB can sort out their issue's then Pakistan can dominate all format’s of cricket for a very long time, but in my personal opinion it’ll take few year’s before they can win matches/tournaments on the same level like Australia, England and team India do.

It is undoubtedly going to take time because Pakistan is not in a stable position from a political standpoint. And of course, the political situation of a country is far more complicated and consequential than cricket. Obviously, they should look to fix those problems first. A country gets recognized through cricket. But a country cannot even function properly without a stable political situation. And even with all those problems, I think Pakistan is doing quite well. But there is no doubt that they will have to do better if they want to compete at the top level.

This not only fits to Pakistan many other countries are also losing quality due to too much involvement of Franchise cricket which is all about power hitting instead of technique and skills just few countries are having level, but this is also far from which few have around 15 to 20 years back now it's all about money and time pass like Soccer players are doing in world in next few years things could be more the worst about the technique and quality of cricket because we have few big leagues are not attracting players in T10 league and The Hundred.

Pakistan's domestic setup is also not world-class even they have good funds and things to manage this but corruption which is the biggest issue in third world countries which preventing to have fair system and better things for bringing quality players in system whereas Australia and England are much stronger in this case.

Pakistan cricket board has lots of problems to deal with. And the fact that Pakistan could not host international cricket for a long time has been a big problem for them. Obviously when a country is not being able to host international cricket, and that has also been the case for so long, the parents of a lot of young kids who are interested in cricket are obviously more likely to say that cricket is not the right path to choose. At least not professionally. And that also causes a lot of problems.

Another thing that I am not very sure about but I have my doubts is that the Pakistan cricket board has a few corrupt individuals. They are also not helping the improvement of Pakistan cricket. And another thing is that as long as the selectors are not going to be unbiased, the national team is not going to improve.

Pakistan has produced a lot of world-class players. But I agree with you that the setup of Pakistan cricket is not very good, to be honest. And domestic setup is obviously not as it should be.

The country had a big break in hosting tournaments. The same keeps them down. They're are at the beginning of building new cricketing infrastructure within the country. As mentioned the domestic cricket is good, but not to the level of neighbouring countries. The Pakistan Super League is another setback, taking the revenue into consideration the importance might've moved towards it. Corruption is all around and there will be corrupt hands that truly destruct the progress.

It is true that when a country is away from international cricket for a long time then the common people do not have confidence in that country's cricket. Cricket infrastructure continues to crumble. But the situation in Pakistan cricket is slightly different. Even though they can't host any international matches in their own country, they try to cover it abroad. They have managed cricket in Abu Dhabi for almost a long time. All their franchise leagues are conducted at the same venue. They have tried to hold on to their cricket even through tough times. They have also suffered huge financial loss by conducting cricket in a foreign country. But overall they tried to improve from that position.

[Sithara007]

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Pakistan has produced a lot of world-class players. But I agree with you that the setup of Pakistan cricket is not very good, to be honest. And domestic setup is obviously not as it should be.

Domestic cricket was always a concern for Pakistan. Previously it used to be dominated by the club sides, but then the PCB rightly moved to a province-based setup. The current setup has improved the quality a lot, although a lot of work still needs to be done. Asking some of the national team members to take part in the domestic matches, and telecasting some of the important matches on TV can be very helpful. Also, it will be a good idea to have some of these domestic teams to visit SENA nations once in a while, for friendly matches against county or Sheffield Shield teams.

[coinism]

Domestic cricket was always a concern for Pakistan. Previously it used to be dominated by the club sides, but then the PCB rightly moved to a province-based setup. The current setup has improved the quality a lot, although a lot of work still needs to be done. Asking some of the national team members to take part in the domestic matches, and telecasting some of the important matches on TV can be very helpful. Also, it will be a good idea to have some of these domestic teams to visit SENA nations once in a while, for friendly matches against county or Sheffield Shield teams.

These days only preference is given to T20 and Pakistan is not a different in this regard. On local TV, only T20 tournaments of domestic cricket are shown not ODI or test. PCB is not a small board and can afford to send his local teams to SENA to give exposure to domestic cricketers.
Only test format can produce genuine cricketers not T20 format. These days even test cricketers are selected from T20 leagues.

[BobK71]

Domestic cricket was always a concern for Pakistan. Previously it used to be dominated by the club sides, but then the PCB rightly moved to a province-based setup. The current setup has improved the quality a lot, although a lot of work still needs to be done. Asking some of the national team members to take part in the domestic matches, and telecasting some of the important matches on TV can be very helpful. Also, it will be a good idea to have some of these domestic teams to visit SENA nations once in a while, for friendly matches against county or Sheffield Shield teams.

These days only preference is given to T20 and Pakistan is not a different in this regard. On local TV, only T20 tournaments of domestic cricket are shown not ODI or test. PCB is not a small board and can afford to send his local teams to SENA to give exposure to domestic cricketers.
Only test format can produce genuine cricketers not T20 format. These days even test cricketers are selected from T20 leagues.

Although the matter is strange, it is true in some cases. Firstly Pakistan Cricket Board seems to me not very strong financially. And there are some reasons behind it. Especially their board cannot organize international series or tournaments for a long time. I think this is their main problem. If they are successful in managing some events in their home ground then it is possible to bring quick success in other areas as well. I think the more revenue they can earn from cricket they will ensure better cricket as well as able to find better cricketers.

[stars_world]

Domestic cricket has always been a concern of Pakistan. A country away from international cricket for a long time then the general public has no faith in that country's cricket. Cricket infrastructure continues to collapse. However the situation in Pakistani cricket is slightly different. Even though they are unable to host international matches in their own country, they try to cover them abroad. They have been managing cricket in Abu Dhabi for almost a long time. All of their franchised leagues are conducted in the same place. They have tried to keep their cricket going even through tough times. They also suffered huge financial losses by playing cricket in a foreign country. But overall they are trying to improve themselves from that position.

[CryptoYar]

Corruption is all around and there will be corrupt hands that truly destruct the progress.

Might be there will be some. but, I don't think Rameez Raja is a corrupt person. And I believe he wants to take Pakistan cricket forward. Yes it will take time because nothing happens overnight but surely he will.

Firstly Pakistan Cricket Board seems to me not very strong financially.

Wrong!

Pakistan cricket board is 4th richest board In terms of sponsorships, TV rights, and other revenue sources.


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[JSRAW]

Pakistan cricket board is 4th richest board In terms of sponsorships, TV rights, and other revenue sources.


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Damn seriously? With all due respect but this data is bullshit. ZCB, CSA and BCB are ahead of CA? Don't know what kind of stuff these data providers are smoking.

Cricket Australia recently sold its FTP for like 100s millions of dollars to the Indian market (a historically high price). ECB is about to fetch a more or less similar amount, it's a public record plz google it.

Please point me to one FTP deal PCB signed in a recent year.

[Sithara007]

Damn seriously? With all due respect but this data is bullshit. ZCB, CSA and BCB are ahead of CA? Don't know what kind of stuff these data providers are smoking.

Cricket Australia recently sold its FTP for like 100s millions of dollars to the Indian market (a historically high price). ECB is about to fetch a more or less similar amount, it's a public record plz google it.

Please point me to one FTP deal PCB signed in a recent year.

Agreed. Cricfann is not a reliable source, and they seems to have just pulled up random data from somewhere. And net-worth is not a very important metric. I would rather go for annual revenues. Either this data is outright wrong, or outdated. The biggest joke is that Zimbabwe Cricket board is given as richer than Cricket Australia!! ZCB was almost bankrupt a few years back when ICC suspended them. Even now they haven't cleared all of their outstanding dues and debts. And I don't think that CSA is richer than the ECB. ECB is ahead of the other boards (apart from the BCCI) by a large distance.

[kro55]

Every player is not going to be able to perform every day. And Pakistan has to understand that really well. If they are expecting Babar Azam, Rizwan, and Shaheen Shah Afridi to perform on a regular basis, they will have some problems. Because they might have one or two off days. Those days, there should have been other players who could take their place and do well for Pakistan. But right now I do not see any players like that. There are players who can come in clutch against weaker opponents like Afghanistan or Bangladesh. But not against those more formidable opponents like Australia, England, or India.

Here, we have to check ground realities as well for Pakistan cricket which is never been ideal as they are completely failure to have good and strong domestic setup which is important for having good and positive results in all levels with their pitches and grounds are also not giving them good facilities which increase players confidence, and they are able to perform good in all environments these all things needs professional approach which is not in current system even Ramiz Raja is doing good things but still it's long way to go for them because of political influence they are not able to have required results.

Right now we have good things happening at the top of India with now they are able to challenge teams like England and Australia which having the strongest system, but Pakistan is completely failure in this with in today match first day of game how things going this is clearly giving all details to every one who is related to cricket.

It will take Pakistan a lot of time to reach the level that India is at right now. Because the Pakistan Cricket Board is going through a lot of problems. And Pakistan is a country that is also not in the best of shape right now. We have been discussing the political problems that Pakistan is going through. I think Pakistan will have to fix domestic cricket first.

If the domestic setup does not get fixed, the players that are getting produced right now will also start decreasing.

If the domestic setup is good, you will at least have a good supply of young cricketers, no matter what happens on the cricket board. And another advantage that India has over Pakistan is that the IPL which allows a lot of young cricketers to show their talent.

[savetheFORUM]

With all due respect but this data is bullshit. ZCB, CSA and BCB are ahead of CA? Don't know what kind of stuff these data providers are smoking.

Cricket Australia recently sold its FTP for like 100s millions of dollars to the Indian market (a historically high price). ECB is about to fetch a more or less similar amount, it's a public record plz google it.

Please point me to one FTP deal PCB signed in a recent year.

With most chances no one can provide perfect data about this all because things are not clear about this all but still after googled we can go with these things which are near the perfect and these all are showing we have India, Australia, England and Pakistan at top four even I have feeling if Pakistan have some stability in economy and political then surely they can go at second spot but good thing happening they are at the fourth spot which is also not bad at all for them.

[Tony116]

Pakistan cricket board has lots of problems to deal with. And the fact that Pakistan could not host international cricket for a long time has been a big problem for them. Obviously when a country is not being able to host international cricket, and that has also been the case for so long, the parents of a lot of young kids who are interested in cricket are obviously more likely to say that cricket is not the right path to choose. At least not professionally. And that also causes a lot of problems.
Another thing that I am not very sure about but I have my doubts is that the Pakistan cricket board has a few corrupt individuals. They are also not helping the improvement of Pakistan cricket. And another thing is that as long as the selectors are not going to be unbiased, the national team is not going to improve.
Pakistan has produced a lot of world-class players. But I agree with you that the setup of Pakistan cricket is not very good, to be honest. And domestic setup is obviously not as it should be.

The country had a big break in hosting tournaments. The same keeps them down. They're are at the beginning of building new cricketing infrastructure within the country. As mentioned the domestic cricket is good, but not to the level of neighbouring countries. The Pakistan Super League is another setback, taking the revenue into consideration the importance might've moved towards it. Corruption is all around and there will be corrupt hands that truly destruct the progress.

It is true that when a country is away from international cricket for a long time then the common people do not have confidence in that country's cricket. Cricket infrastructure continues to crumble. But the situation in Pakistan cricket is slightly different. Even though they can't host any international matches in their own country, they try to cover it abroad. They have managed cricket in Abu Dhabi for almost a long time. All their franchise leagues are conducted at the same venue. They have tried to hold on to their cricket even through tough times. They have also suffered huge financial loss by conducting cricket in a foreign country. But overall they tried to improve from that position.

KennyR, In my opinion, the only thing that is going to disrupt the balance of a cricket board, and the progress of a cricketing country, is corruption. The reason behind this is that it does not matter how many skilled players you have, or how strong your pipeline is. In a situation where there is corrupted personnel in charge of the board, there is no way he will be able to even pick the best players who can help the team do better. It is important to keep in mind that nepotism and favoritism are always going to be a part of this region, especially in this subcontinental region.

[Maidak]

Damn seriously? With all due respect but this data is bullshit. ZCB, CSA and BCB are ahead of CA? Don't know what kind of stuff these data providers are smoking.

Cricket Australia recently sold its FTP for like 100s millions of dollars to the Indian market (a historically high price). ECB is about to fetch a more or less similar amount, it's a public record plz google it.

Please point me to one FTP deal PCB signed in a recent year.

Agreed. Cricfann is not a reliable source, and they seems to have just pulled up random data from somewhere. And net-worth is not a very important metric. I would rather go for annual revenues. Either this data is outright wrong, or outdated. The biggest joke is that Zimbabwe Cricket board is given as richer than Cricket Australia!! ZCB was almost bankrupt a few years back when ICC suspended them. Even now they haven't cleared all of their outstanding dues and debts. And I don't think that CSA is richer than the ECB. ECB is ahead of the other boards (apart from the BCCI) by a large distance.

Honestly, I did not have any idea that the Pakistan Cricket Board was one of the richest. Actually, I did not have any idea about the money that the Pakistan Cricket Board has.
After watching the post made by @CryptoYar I really thought that there was a mistake.
And after that, I actually googled which is the richest cricket board in the world currently. And almost every link that I visited, I saw Pakistan Cricket listed as the fourth.

But at the same time, it is also true that most of those links look like they might not be reliable sources. After checking a little more, I also found out that some of those links are almost 6 months old. Actually, that was the time when Imran Khan was President of Pakistan if I recall correctly. So, it is possible that during that period of time Pakistan had a healthy budget for cricket. But now I highly doubt that they have that type of money.

[Sithara007]

Honestly, I did not have any idea that the Pakistan Cricket Board was one of the richest. Actually, I did not have any idea about the money that the Pakistan Cricket Board has.
After watching the post made by @CryptoYar I really thought that there was a mistake.
And after that, I actually googled which is the richest cricket board in the world currently. And almost every link that I visited, I saw Pakistan Cricket listed as the fourth.

But at the same time, it is also true that most of those links look like they might not be reliable sources. After checking a little more, I also found out that some of those links are almost 6 months old. Actually, that was the time when Imran Khan was President of Pakistan if I recall correctly. So, it is possible that during that period of time Pakistan had a healthy budget for cricket. But now I highly doubt that they have that type of money.

After Rameez Raja took over as the president of the PCB, their financial situation has improved. But even now the ICC funds ($16 million per year) represent more than half of their budget. For countries such as England and Australia, the ICC funds (roughly the same amount as PCB receives), represent a tiny fraction of the overall revenue. The main reason for this lower revenue is the complex TV broadcasting rules in Pakistan, which mandates the content to be shared with national television (PTV). Lack of tours from India is another reason.

[mm2543363580]

After Rameez Raja took over as the president of the PCB, their financial situation has improved. But even now the ICC funds ($16 million per year) represent more than half of their budget. For countries such as England and Australia, the ICC funds (roughly the same amount as PCB receives), represent a tiny fraction of the overall revenue. The main reason for this lower revenue is the complex TV broadcasting rules in Pakistan, which mandates the content to be shared with national television (PTV). Lack of tours from India is another reason.

PCB could pull out of 2023 Asia Cup if tournament is moved out of Pakistan.
This India Pakistan tension is far from being over at-least not under PM Modi government. There are news that India is pulling out from Asia cup and in reply Pakistan not taking part in ODI world cup in India. The only reason is that since India has got good position in ICC and getting huge benefit from IPL thats why its easy for them to skip Pakistan tour.

[CryptoYar]

Damn seriously? With all due respect but this data is bullshit. ZCB, CSA and BCB are ahead of CA? Don't know what kind of stuff these data providers are smoking.

Not sure about Cricket Australia & Cricket South Africa.
according to some sites, Cricket Australia(CA) is at #7 and CSA (Cricket South Africa) is at #2 - on the other hand, some others (CA) is at #2 and CSA at #6.

Buut one thing is perfectly clear that PCB is at #4th with net worth of $55 million.

But even now the ICC funds ($16 million per year) represent more than half of their budget. For countries such as England and Australia, the ICC funds (roughly the same amount as PCB receives), represent a tiny fraction of the overall revenue.

When you compare PCB's revenue with boards like England and Australia, you should not forget that Pakistan was unable to host any series in thier home grounds for a long time. While thats wasn't the case with these two boards.

[BobK71]

After Rameez Raja took over as the president of the PCB, their financial situation has improved. But even now the ICC funds ($16 million per year) represent more than half of their budget. For countries such as England and Australia, the ICC funds (roughly the same amount as PCB receives), represent a tiny fraction of the overall revenue. The main reason for this lower revenue is the complex TV broadcasting rules in Pakistan, which mandates the content to be shared with national television (PTV). Lack of tours from India is another reason.

PCB could pull out of 2023 Asia Cup if tournament is moved out of Pakistan.
This India Pakistan tension is far from being over at-least not under PM Modi government. There are news that India is pulling out from Asia cup and in reply Pakistan not taking part in ODI world cup in India. The only reason is that since India has got good position in ICC and getting huge benefit from IPL thats why its easy for them to skip Pakistan tour.

The behavior of these two countries seems like cricket is their personal property. They see one another country as the enemy. Which I am not aware that any other countries in the world had such a situation with the game. Cricket should be considered a universal game. ICC's should take 0 tolerance policy in this fact. If they force two teams then everything can be clear.

[Naficopa]

After Rameez Raja took over as the president of the PCB, their financial situation has improved. But even now the ICC funds ($16 million per year) represent more than half of their budget. For countries such as England and Australia, the ICC funds (roughly the same amount as PCB receives), represent a tiny fraction of the overall revenue. The main reason for this lower revenue is the complex TV broadcasting rules in Pakistan, which mandates the content to be shared with national television (PTV). Lack of tours from India is another reason.

PCB could pull out of 2023 Asia Cup if tournament is moved out of Pakistan.
This India Pakistan tension is far from being over at-least not under PM Modi government. There are news that India is pulling out from Asia cup and in reply Pakistan not taking part in ODI world cup in India. The only reason is that since India has got good position in ICC and getting huge benefit from IPL thats why its easy for them to skip Pakistan tour.

The behavior of these two countries seems like cricket is their personal property. They see one another country as the enemy. Which I am not aware that any other countries in the world had such a situation with the game. Cricket should be considered a universal game. ICC's should take 0 tolerance policy in this fact. If they force two teams then everything can be clear.

That's right India Pakistan politics and tension always comes in their cricket and that's why their matches are more like a cricket war . Why can't cricket be separated from politics and other tensions ?   How much players get affected by these extra tensions?
Now ICC should strictly deal this matter of Asia Cup and world cup and shouldnot come under pressure of any cricket board.