Cricket match prediction discussions

[YinShuiSiYuan]

I believe that PCB is at fault here for not grooming player’s well and not helping them cultivate the winning mentality which effects them when they play in important matches. Furthermore if PCB can sort out their issue's then Pakistan can dominate all format’s of cricket for a very long time, but in my personal opinion it’ll take few year’s before they can win matches/tournaments on the same level like Australia, England and team India do.

In subcontinent most of the boards are not having any well settled system which helps players, and they can do good for the long term most of the time we have issues of nepotism and personal like and dislikes which is surely killing merit and talent of the many youths even in many areas we have serious domestic issues which never allow having positive development for the progress of the game.

In recent years, we have few good changes in Pakistan domestic system but still it's never been easy to adopt them and have positive results from this all because political influence and many other aspects are creating mess up which never allowing to have strong system with merit and helpful for quality players to give their best just because of this when they are playing in SENA countries they never have confident mostly they play under pressure and lost games narrowly.

Pakistan has shown a great deal of improvement as compared to previous team  , this recent team has revived Pakistan's name on international level as far as cricket is concerned.  Current team under Babar Azam captaincy have won may matches  series and qualified for many finals and definitely if they'll work hard and remain determined they will win World Cup final too.
Yes there is problem of nepotism and selection on basis of personal favours and this is present in all criteria boards .

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[BobK71]

I believe that PCB is at fault here for not grooming player’s well and not helping them cultivate the winning mentality which effects them when they play in important matches. Furthermore if PCB can sort out their issue's then Pakistan can dominate all format’s of cricket for a very long time, but in my personal opinion it’ll take few year’s before they can win matches/tournaments on the same level like Australia, England and team India do.

In subcontinent most of the boards are not having any well settled system which helps players, and they can do good for the long term most of the time we have issues of nepotism and personal like and dislikes which is surely killing merit and talent of the many youths even in many areas we have serious domestic issues which never allow having positive development for the progress of the game.

In recent years, we have few good changes in Pakistan domestic system but still it's never been easy to adopt them and have positive results from this all because political influence and many other aspects are creating mess up which never allowing to have strong system with merit and helpful for quality players to give their best just because of this when they are playing in SENA countries they never have confident mostly they play under pressure and lost games narrowly.

Pakistan has shown a great deal of improvement as compared to previous team  , this recent team has revived Pakistan's name on international level as far as cricket is concerned.  Current team under Babar Azam captaincy have won may matches  series and qualified for many finals and definitely if they'll work hard and remain determined they will win World Cup final too.
Yes there is problem of nepotism and selection on basis of personal favours and this is present in all criteria boards .

Their cricket has improved. The current T20 squad returning from the final in most of the big tournaments. They have lacking in some places otherwise i would say that this is one of the good teams. Maybe everyone in the cricket area is expressing the same thing that Pakistan needs some good batting. The formation of a team that does not have to be dependent on top order, is very important for Pakistan cricket.

[Naficopa]

I believe that PCB is at fault here for not grooming player’s well and not helping them cultivate the winning mentality which effects them when they play in important matches. Furthermore if PCB can sort out their issue's then Pakistan can dominate all format’s of cricket for a very long time, but in my personal opinion it’ll take few year’s before they can win matches/tournaments on the same level like Australia, England and team India do.

In subcontinent most of the boards are not having any well settled system which helps players, and they can do good for the long term most of the time we have issues of nepotism and personal like and dislikes which is surely killing merit and talent of the many youths even in many areas we have serious domestic issues which never allow having positive development for the progress of the game.

In recent years, we have few good changes in Pakistan domestic system but still it's never been easy to adopt them and have positive results from this all because political influence and many other aspects are creating mess up which never allowing to have strong system with merit and helpful for quality players to give their best just because of this when they are playing in SENA countries they never have confident mostly they play under pressure and lost games narrowly.

Pakistan has shown a great deal of improvement as compared to previous team  , this recent team has revived Pakistan's name on international level as far as cricket is concerned.  Current team under Babar Azam captaincy have won may matches  series and qualified for many finals and definitely if they'll work hard and remain determined they will win World Cup final too.
Yes there is problem of nepotism and selection on basis of personal favours and this is present in all criteria boards .

Their cricket has improved. The current T20 squad returning from the final in most of the big tournaments. They have lacking in some places otherwise i would say that this is one of the good teams. Maybe everyone in the cricket area is expressing the same thing that Pakistan needs some good batting. The formation of a team that does not have to be dependent on top order, is very important for Pakistan cricket.

Yes the problem with their middle order batting and batsman  overall if that is solved and worked on Pakistan  will definitely win many finals and series.  Current Pakistani team is best in everything balling batting both ,just batting order needs to be worked on for improvement. 

[TheGreatPython]

Pakistan has shown a great deal of improvement as compared to previous team  , this recent team has revived Pakistan's name on international level as far as cricket is concerned.  Current team under Babar Azam captaincy have won may matches  series and qualified for many finals and definitely if they'll work hard and remain determined they will win World Cup final too.
Yes there is problem of nepotism and selection on basis of personal favours and this is present in all criteria boards .

Pakistan has much stronger and quality teams in past as well but still their main problem was they had never been predictable which is surely amazing stuff for some cases, but recently they are improving, but now they are not having a strong unit which give them good fight until end most of the time they are depended on just two or three players which is not ideal situation if they want to have good mark on the game then surely they need to work on domestic with strong system and strategy which give them good unit and better replacements which helps them in International matches right now they have short list which is surely not good for their campaign in all three formats with right now England, India and Australia are having big edge which need to cover with their performance and quality instead of numbers.

[Tony116]

@Tony116 I believe that PCB is at fault here for not grooming player’s well and not helping them cultivate the winning mentality which effects them when they play in important matches. Furthermore if PCB can sort out their issue's then Pakistan can dominate all format’s of cricket for a very long time, but in my personal opinion it’ll take few year’s before they can win matches/tournaments on the same level like Australia, England and team India do.

It is undoubtedly going to take time because Pakistan is not in a stable position from a political standpoint. And of course, the political situation of a country is far more complicated and consequential than cricket. Obviously, they should look to fix those problems first. A country gets recognized through cricket. But a country cannot even function properly without a stable political situation. And even with all those problems, I think Pakistan is doing quite well. But there is no doubt that they will have to do better if they want to compete at the top level.

In subcontinent most of the boards are not having any well settled system which helps players, and they can do good for the long term most of the time we have issues of nepotism and personal like and dislikes which is surely killing merit and talent of the many youths even in many areas we have serious domestic issues which never allow having positive development for the progress of the game.
In recent years, we have few good changes in Pakistan domestic system but still it's never been easy to adopt them and have positive results from this all because political influence and many other aspects are creating mess up which never allowing to have strong system with merit and helpful for quality players to give their best just because of this when they are playing in SENA countries they never have confident mostly they play under pressure and lost games narrowly.

For some reason, I feel like Pakistan has lost their venom. Pakistan was a far better team in the past. But now they have to depend on a few players to perform to get a win. That is not an ideal situation for them at all. And I also do not think that Pakistan has been able to produce the type of player that they used to.

[dezoel]

@Tony116 I believe that PCB is at fault here for not grooming player’s well and not helping them cultivate the winning mentality which effects them when they play in important matches. Furthermore if PCB can sort out their issue's then Pakistan can dominate all format’s of cricket for a very long time, but in my personal opinion it’ll take few year’s before they can win matches/tournaments on the same level like Australia, England and team India do.

It is undoubtedly going to take time because Pakistan is not in a stable position from a political standpoint. And of course, the political situation of a country is far more complicated and consequential than cricket. Obviously, they should look to fix those problems first. A country gets recognized through cricket. But a country cannot even function properly without a stable political situation. And even with all those problems, I think Pakistan is doing quite well. But there is no doubt that they will have to do better if they want to compete at the top level.

This not only fits to Pakistan many other countries are also losing quality due to too much involvement of Franchise cricket which is all about power hitting instead of technique and skills just few countries are having level, but this is also far from which few have around 15 to 20 years back now it's all about money and time pass like Soccer players are doing in world in next few years things could be more the worst about the technique and quality of cricket because we have few big leagues are not attracting players in T10 league and The Hundred.

Pakistan's domestic setup is also not world-class even they have good funds and things to manage this but corruption which is the biggest issue in third world countries which preventing to have fair system and better things for bringing quality players in system whereas Australia and England are much stronger in this case.

[kro55]

Pakistan has shown a great deal of improvement as compared to previous team  , this recent team has revived Pakistan's name on international level as far as cricket is concerned.  Current team under Babar Azam captaincy have won may matches  series and qualified for many finals and definitely if they'll work hard and remain determined they will win World Cup final too.
Yes there is problem of nepotism and selection on basis of personal favours and this is present in all criteria boards .

Pakistan has much stronger and quality teams in past as well but still their main problem was they had never been predictable which is surely amazing stuff for some cases, but recently they are improving, but now they are not having a strong unit which give them good fight until end most of the time they are depended on just two or three players which is not ideal situation if they want to have good mark on the game then surely they need to work on domestic with strong system and strategy which give them good unit and better replacements which helps them in International matches right now they have short list which is surely not good for their campaign in all three formats with right now England, India and Australia are having big edge which need to cover with their performance and quality instead of numbers.

Right now, whenever Pakistan is playing against the top four teams, actually not only the top four teams, whenever Pakistan is playing against teams that are quite competitive and play cricket regularly their target certain players of Pakistan with all their force. Because they know that Pakistan is not going to be able to win if those players do not perform well for Pakistan. And that’s where I agree with @TheGreatPython that Pakistan has become very predictable. And that did not happen previously in Pakistan. In my opinion. At least not to this extent.

Pakistan is giving a good fight to the top teams. I have no doubt about that. But Giving a good fight is not going to cut it at the top level of cricket.

[Sithara007]

Right now, whenever Pakistan is playing against the top four teams, actually not only the top four teams, whenever Pakistan is playing against teams that are quite competitive and play cricket regularly their target certain players of Pakistan with all their force. Because they know that Pakistan is not going to be able to win if those players do not perform well for Pakistan. And that’s where I agree with @TheGreatPython that Pakistan has become very predictable. And that did not happen previously in Pakistan. In my opinion. At least not to this extent.

Pakistan is giving a good fight to the top teams. I have no doubt about that. But Giving a good fight is not going to cut it at the top level of cricket.

I will not deny the fact that Pakistan is one of the top teams, capable of defeating the pig-3 in ICC tournaments. But the main issue is with consistency. Even top players such as Babar Azam and Shaheen Shah Afridi are being inconsistent nowadays. And this is one of the reasons why they are failing to win ICC tournaments recently. There is so much talent within Pakistan, but despite all that the full potential is not being reached. One thing the PCB can do is to give the U-23 and A teams more exposure by conducting foreign tours. That will strengthen their player pool.  

[kro55]

I will not deny the fact that Pakistan is one of the top teams, capable of defeating the pig-3 in ICC tournaments. But the main issue is with consistency. Even top players such as Babar Azam and Shaheen Shah Afridi are being inconsistent nowadays. And this is one of the reasons why they are failing to win ICC tournaments recently. There is so much talent within Pakistan, but despite all that the full potential is not being reached. One thing the PCB can do is to give the U-23 and A teams more exposure by conducting foreign tours. That will strengthen their player pool.  

Every player is not going to be able to perform every day. And Pakistan has to understand that really well. If they are expecting Babar Azam, Rizwan, and Shaheen Shah Afridi to perform on a regular basis, they will have some problems. Because they might have one or two off days. Those days, there should have been other players who could take their place and do well for Pakistan. But right now I do not see any players like that. There are players who can come in clutch against weaker opponents like Afghanistan or Bangladesh. But not against those more formidable opponents like Australia, England, or India.

[Tony116]

@Tony116 I believe that PCB is at fault here for not grooming player’s well and not helping them cultivate the winning mentality which effects them when they play in important matches. Furthermore if PCB can sort out their issue's then Pakistan can dominate all format’s of cricket for a very long time, but in my personal opinion it’ll take few year’s before they can win matches/tournaments on the same level like Australia, England and team India do.

It is undoubtedly going to take time because Pakistan is not in a stable position from a political standpoint. And of course, the political situation of a country is far more complicated and consequential than cricket. Obviously, they should look to fix those problems first. A country gets recognized through cricket. But a country cannot even function properly without a stable political situation. And even with all those problems, I think Pakistan is doing quite well. But there is no doubt that they will have to do better if they want to compete at the top level.

This not only fits to Pakistan many other countries are also losing quality due to too much involvement of Franchise cricket which is all about power hitting instead of technique and skills just few countries are having level, but this is also far from which few have around 15 to 20 years back now it's all about money and time pass like Soccer players are doing in world in next few years things could be more the worst about the technique and quality of cricket because we have few big leagues are not attracting players in T10 league and The Hundred.

Pakistan's domestic setup is also not world-class even they have good funds and things to manage this but corruption which is the biggest issue in third world countries which preventing to have fair system and better things for bringing quality players in system whereas Australia and England are much stronger in this case.

Pakistan cricket board has lots of problems to deal with. And the fact that Pakistan could not host international cricket for a long time has been a big problem for them. Obviously when a country is not being able to host international cricket, and that has also been the case for so long, the parents of a lot of young kids who are interested in cricket are obviously more likely to say that cricket is not the right path to choose. At least not professionally. And that also causes a lot of problems.

Another thing that I am not very sure about but I have my doubts is that the Pakistan cricket board has a few corrupt individuals. They are also not helping the improvement of Pakistan cricket. And another thing is that as long as the selectors are not going to be unbiased, the national team is not going to improve.

Pakistan has produced a lot of world-class players. But I agree with you that the setup of Pakistan cricket is not very good, to be honest. And domestic setup is obviously not as it should be.

[redsun114]

Every player is not going to be able to perform every day. And Pakistan has to understand that really well. If they are expecting Babar Azam, Rizwan, and Shaheen Shah Afridi to perform on a regular basis, they will have some problems. Because they might have one or two off days. Those days, there should have been other players who could take their place and do well for Pakistan. But right now I do not see any players like that. There are players who can come in clutch against weaker opponents like Afghanistan or Bangladesh. But not against those more formidable opponents like Australia, England, or India.

Here, we have to check ground realities as well for Pakistan cricket which is never been ideal as they are completely failure to have good and strong domestic setup which is important for having good and positive results in all levels with their pitches and grounds are also not giving them good facilities which increase players confidence, and they are able to perform good in all environments these all things needs professional approach which is not in current system even Ramiz Raja is doing good things but still it's long way to go for them because of political influence they are not able to have required results.

Right now we have good things happening at the top of India with now they are able to challenge teams like England and Australia which having the strongest system, but Pakistan is completely failure in this with in today match first day of game how things going this is clearly giving all details to every one who is related to cricket.

[KennyR]

@Tony116 I believe that PCB is at fault here for not grooming player’s well and not helping them cultivate the winning mentality which effects them when they play in important matches. Furthermore if PCB can sort out their issue's then Pakistan can dominate all format’s of cricket for a very long time, but in my personal opinion it’ll take few year’s before they can win matches/tournaments on the same level like Australia, England and team India do.

It is undoubtedly going to take time because Pakistan is not in a stable position from a political standpoint. And of course, the political situation of a country is far more complicated and consequential than cricket. Obviously, they should look to fix those problems first. A country gets recognized through cricket. But a country cannot even function properly without a stable political situation. And even with all those problems, I think Pakistan is doing quite well. But there is no doubt that they will have to do better if they want to compete at the top level.

This not only fits to Pakistan many other countries are also losing quality due to too much involvement of Franchise cricket which is all about power hitting instead of technique and skills just few countries are having level, but this is also far from which few have around 15 to 20 years back now it's all about money and time pass like Soccer players are doing in world in next few years things could be more the worst about the technique and quality of cricket because we have few big leagues are not attracting players in T10 league and The Hundred.

Pakistan's domestic setup is also not world-class even they have good funds and things to manage this but corruption which is the biggest issue in third world countries which preventing to have fair system and better things for bringing quality players in system whereas Australia and England are much stronger in this case.

Pakistan cricket board has lots of problems to deal with. And the fact that Pakistan could not host international cricket for a long time has been a big problem for them. Obviously when a country is not being able to host international cricket, and that has also been the case for so long, the parents of a lot of young kids who are interested in cricket are obviously more likely to say that cricket is not the right path to choose. At least not professionally. And that also causes a lot of problems.

Another thing that I am not very sure about but I have my doubts is that the Pakistan cricket board has a few corrupt individuals. They are also not helping the improvement of Pakistan cricket. And another thing is that as long as the selectors are not going to be unbiased, the national team is not going to improve.

Pakistan has produced a lot of world-class players. But I agree with you that the setup of Pakistan cricket is not very good, to be honest. And domestic setup is obviously not as it should be.

The country had a big break in hosting tournaments. The same keeps them down. They're are at the beginning of building new cricketing infrastructure within the country. As mentioned the domestic cricket is good, but not to the level of neighbouring countries. The Pakistan Super League is another setback, taking the revenue into consideration the importance might've moved towards it. Corruption is all around and there will be corrupt hands that truly destruct the progress.

[BobK71]

@Tony116 I believe that PCB is at fault here for not grooming player’s well and not helping them cultivate the winning mentality which effects them when they play in important matches. Furthermore if PCB can sort out their issue's then Pakistan can dominate all format’s of cricket for a very long time, but in my personal opinion it’ll take few year’s before they can win matches/tournaments on the same level like Australia, England and team India do.

It is undoubtedly going to take time because Pakistan is not in a stable position from a political standpoint. And of course, the political situation of a country is far more complicated and consequential than cricket. Obviously, they should look to fix those problems first. A country gets recognized through cricket. But a country cannot even function properly without a stable political situation. And even with all those problems, I think Pakistan is doing quite well. But there is no doubt that they will have to do better if they want to compete at the top level.

This not only fits to Pakistan many other countries are also losing quality due to too much involvement of Franchise cricket which is all about power hitting instead of technique and skills just few countries are having level, but this is also far from which few have around 15 to 20 years back now it's all about money and time pass like Soccer players are doing in world in next few years things could be more the worst about the technique and quality of cricket because we have few big leagues are not attracting players in T10 league and The Hundred.

Pakistan's domestic setup is also not world-class even they have good funds and things to manage this but corruption which is the biggest issue in third world countries which preventing to have fair system and better things for bringing quality players in system whereas Australia and England are much stronger in this case.

Pakistan cricket board has lots of problems to deal with. And the fact that Pakistan could not host international cricket for a long time has been a big problem for them. Obviously when a country is not being able to host international cricket, and that has also been the case for so long, the parents of a lot of young kids who are interested in cricket are obviously more likely to say that cricket is not the right path to choose. At least not professionally. And that also causes a lot of problems.

Another thing that I am not very sure about but I have my doubts is that the Pakistan cricket board has a few corrupt individuals. They are also not helping the improvement of Pakistan cricket. And another thing is that as long as the selectors are not going to be unbiased, the national team is not going to improve.

Pakistan has produced a lot of world-class players. But I agree with you that the setup of Pakistan cricket is not very good, to be honest. And domestic setup is obviously not as it should be.

The country had a big break in hosting tournaments. The same keeps them down. They're are at the beginning of building new cricketing infrastructure within the country. As mentioned the domestic cricket is good, but not to the level of neighbouring countries. The Pakistan Super League is another setback, taking the revenue into consideration the importance might've moved towards it. Corruption is all around and there will be corrupt hands that truly destruct the progress.

It is true that when a country is away from international cricket for a long time then the common people do not have confidence in that country's cricket. Cricket infrastructure continues to crumble. But the situation in Pakistan cricket is slightly different. Even though they can't host any international matches in their own country, they try to cover it abroad. They have managed cricket in Abu Dhabi for almost a long time. All their franchise leagues are conducted at the same venue. They have tried to hold on to their cricket even through tough times. They have also suffered huge financial loss by conducting cricket in a foreign country. But overall they tried to improve from that position.

[Sithara007]

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Pakistan has produced a lot of world-class players. But I agree with you that the setup of Pakistan cricket is not very good, to be honest. And domestic setup is obviously not as it should be.

Domestic cricket was always a concern for Pakistan. Previously it used to be dominated by the club sides, but then the PCB rightly moved to a province-based setup. The current setup has improved the quality a lot, although a lot of work still needs to be done. Asking some of the national team members to take part in the domestic matches, and telecasting some of the important matches on TV can be very helpful. Also, it will be a good idea to have some of these domestic teams to visit SENA nations once in a while, for friendly matches against county or Sheffield Shield teams.

[coinism]

Domestic cricket was always a concern for Pakistan. Previously it used to be dominated by the club sides, but then the PCB rightly moved to a province-based setup. The current setup has improved the quality a lot, although a lot of work still needs to be done. Asking some of the national team members to take part in the domestic matches, and telecasting some of the important matches on TV can be very helpful. Also, it will be a good idea to have some of these domestic teams to visit SENA nations once in a while, for friendly matches against county or Sheffield Shield teams.

These days only preference is given to T20 and Pakistan is not a different in this regard. On local TV, only T20 tournaments of domestic cricket are shown not ODI or test. PCB is not a small board and can afford to send his local teams to SENA to give exposure to domestic cricketers.
Only test format can produce genuine cricketers not T20 format. These days even test cricketers are selected from T20 leagues.

[BobK71]

Domestic cricket was always a concern for Pakistan. Previously it used to be dominated by the club sides, but then the PCB rightly moved to a province-based setup. The current setup has improved the quality a lot, although a lot of work still needs to be done. Asking some of the national team members to take part in the domestic matches, and telecasting some of the important matches on TV can be very helpful. Also, it will be a good idea to have some of these domestic teams to visit SENA nations once in a while, for friendly matches against county or Sheffield Shield teams.

These days only preference is given to T20 and Pakistan is not a different in this regard. On local TV, only T20 tournaments of domestic cricket are shown not ODI or test. PCB is not a small board and can afford to send his local teams to SENA to give exposure to domestic cricketers.
Only test format can produce genuine cricketers not T20 format. These days even test cricketers are selected from T20 leagues.

Although the matter is strange, it is true in some cases. Firstly Pakistan Cricket Board seems to me not very strong financially. And there are some reasons behind it. Especially their board cannot organize international series or tournaments for a long time. I think this is their main problem. If they are successful in managing some events in their home ground then it is possible to bring quick success in other areas as well. I think the more revenue they can earn from cricket they will ensure better cricket as well as able to find better cricketers.

[stars_world]

Domestic cricket has always been a concern of Pakistan. A country away from international cricket for a long time then the general public has no faith in that country's cricket. Cricket infrastructure continues to collapse. However the situation in Pakistani cricket is slightly different. Even though they are unable to host international matches in their own country, they try to cover them abroad. They have been managing cricket in Abu Dhabi for almost a long time. All of their franchised leagues are conducted in the same place. They have tried to keep their cricket going even through tough times. They also suffered huge financial losses by playing cricket in a foreign country. But overall they are trying to improve themselves from that position.

[CryptoYar]

Corruption is all around and there will be corrupt hands that truly destruct the progress.

Might be there will be some. but, I don't think Rameez Raja is a corrupt person. And I believe he wants to take Pakistan cricket forward. Yes it will take time because nothing happens overnight but surely he will.

Firstly Pakistan Cricket Board seems to me not very strong financially.

Wrong!

Pakistan cricket board is 4th richest board In terms of sponsorships, TV rights, and other revenue sources.


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[JSRAW]

Pakistan cricket board is 4th richest board In terms of sponsorships, TV rights, and other revenue sources.


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Damn seriously? With all due respect but this data is bullshit. ZCB, CSA and BCB are ahead of CA? Don't know what kind of stuff these data providers are smoking.

Cricket Australia recently sold its FTP for like 100s millions of dollars to the Indian market (a historically high price). ECB is about to fetch a more or less similar amount, it's a public record plz google it.

Please point me to one FTP deal PCB signed in a recent year.

[Sithara007]

Damn seriously? With all due respect but this data is bullshit. ZCB, CSA and BCB are ahead of CA? Don't know what kind of stuff these data providers are smoking.

Cricket Australia recently sold its FTP for like 100s millions of dollars to the Indian market (a historically high price). ECB is about to fetch a more or less similar amount, it's a public record plz google it.

Please point me to one FTP deal PCB signed in a recent year.

Agreed. Cricfann is not a reliable source, and they seems to have just pulled up random data from somewhere. And net-worth is not a very important metric. I would rather go for annual revenues. Either this data is outright wrong, or outdated. The biggest joke is that Zimbabwe Cricket board is given as richer than Cricket Australia!! ZCB was almost bankrupt a few years back when ICC suspended them. Even now they haven't cleared all of their outstanding dues and debts. And I don't think that CSA is richer than the ECB. ECB is ahead of the other boards (apart from the BCCI) by a large distance.