Health and Religion

[BADecker]

^ It seems that Pharaoh Akhenaton made ancient Egypt strong when he moved the nation into monotheism. But when he tried to become the god of his monotheism, he became weak. When he fell, his sons (and others) turned the nation back to polytheism. After that, Egypt gradually became weak.

[mirror001]

Have you imagened that the world is a frightening and frosty place, and contemplating it in its actual nature does not make one cheerful?

What makes a tyke more joyful: 1.) Believing a mystical mythical person brings presents from the North Pole on account of good conduct, or 2.) Understanding that presents originate from mother and father's diligent work, and when you hear them agonizing over cash or battling about it - you know in some little way you are a piece of that anxiety?Reality infrequently bring bliss, just a feeling of scholarly alleviation. It additionally for the most part makes a greater number of inquiries than it answers, regardless of any impermanent illumination. What number of us could ever leave the womb, if given the decision? It is warm and safe in there - and everything is dealt with. Be that as it may, outside that womb is the place life happens and things get muddled.

Religion resembles the scholarly womb - aside from this is one you need to leave, and it's alarming and takes quality of character to do as such.

[BADecker]

What makes people cheerful? God makes them cheerful at the cheerful times. When they doubt God, then they become cheerless. If they trust God, they can be cheerful in many troubles. God makes them cheerful.

[CoinCube]

Taking modern nihilism seriously
http://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2017/09/taking-modern-nihilism-seriously.html?m=1

The pervasive nihilism of modernity serves to block any move away from the prevalent insanity and despair; because our problems are at the level of basic (metaphysical) assumptions, yet any attempt to discover, examine and revise these assumptions is shipwrecked instantly by nihilism.

Nihilism therefore functions as the conservatism of radical inversion - it serves to conserve the metaphysical assumptions that underpin secular leftism.

Nihilism, by this meaning, is disbelief in reality; it is the feeling (rather than the conviction) that nothing is really-real, that everything is uncertain - that anything may be wrong.

The modern world view is based on the objectivity of perceptions (eg. in science) - yet we also know that perceptions are often wrong (seeing is not believing). Modern morality is based on the primacy of feelings - modern ethics are all versions of utilitarianism, that is of good being happiness and evil being suffering - yet we know that feelings are temporary, reversible, influenced by psychology, illness, drugs and propaganda.

In sum, in a world built on perceptions and feelings - we know that neither are reliable, nor solid, nor even known for sure. Hence the nihilism.

Modern nihilism is indeed a feeling, rather than a thought - because (pretty obviously) one cannot have a conviction that 'nihilism is true', because that is self-refuting; rather the strength and intractability of nihilism comes from its being a feeling we can't shake-off, rather than a proposition that we are logically-compelled to acknowledge.

Consequently, modern people are stuck in a situation in which their nihilism ruins their lives, but in which they do not take their nihilism seriously - because if they did they would behave very differently. They would not argue-in-favour of nihilism, they would not use nihilism as any kind of argument - they would not even attempt to communicate, they would not plan, they would not do anything which interfered with their current selfish gratification... and so on.

What happens is that people have a feeling of nihilism, which is unpleasant and usually takes the form of fear. So they address the situation at the level of feelings by some combination of displacing nihilism with other feelings and obliterating the feeling of nihilism.

For example by distracting with the mass media, by distracting with the pursuit of sex or status; or obliteration by intoxication with drugs or sleep or immersive media - and all the other characteristically modern evasions.

That modern nihilism is a matter of feeling rather than thinking is in fact a potential solution to the problem. If we take nihilism seriously, and seriously think about it - and keep thinking about it, we will be forced to make a decision between:

1. Accepting the truth of nihilism, and behaving accordingly.

2. Discovering that nihilism is not the bottom line of our conviction.

Of course, this is a dangerous tactic, since accepting the truth of nihilism may lead to suicide or a short-fast-track to death by short-term-self-indulgence (including harming or killing others, when doing so happens to gratify an individual).

But - given the rarity of consistent nihilism, it is likely that most people would recognise that their deepest and most pervasive feeling is not nihilism, but something opposed to nihilism.

In sum, individuals may discover their own bedrock convictions - their personal certainties, stronger than nihilism, upon which they can begin to build meaning purpose and genuine relationships.

Dangerous though it is; taking nihilism seriously, and rigorously thinking-it-though for ourselves, is probably the only way out from its trap.

It was for me.

Secular atheism, when lived out with intellectual honestly, leads to nihilism.

Why Secular Atheism Leads to Nihilism
http://templestream.blogspot.com/2015/02/nihilism-is-logical-philsophical.html

[CoinCube]

Most US Jews oppose Trump but the Orthodox stick with him
http://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/faith-and-values/most-us-jews-oppose-trump-but-the-orthodox-stick-with/article_ceb03957-3764-5222-87cc-4757efb7b0ab.html

A new survey of U.S. Jews offers a breakdown of the Jewish vote in favor of President Donald Trump and suggests those divisions — among the major streams of Judaism — remain fairly constant nine months later.

Though the majority of Jews did not vote for Trump, exit polls showed, those who identify as Orthodox were the most supportive of Trump on Election Day and continue to give him high marks.

Fifty-four percent of Orthodox Jews say they voted for Trump, according a new survey by the American Jewish Committee, or AJC. That was well above 24 percent of Conservative Jews, 10 percent of Reform Jews, 8 percent of Reconstructionist Jews, and 14 percent of respondents who identify themselves as “just Jewish.”

Conversely, Hillary Clinton garnered 13 percent of the Orthodox vote, 60 percent of Conservative Jewish vote, 78 percent of the Reform vote, and 89 percent of Reconstructionist vote.

The survey also shows that when it comes to politics, American Jews don’t differ much from the rest of the American public: Those who voted for Trump still support him

...

That suggests a wide and growing polarization between Orthodox Jews who comprise a minority of the U.S. Jewish population and tend to skew conservative, and the far larger Reform and Conservative movements that comprise the majority of U.S. Jews and skew liberal.

If current trends hold very soon the Orthodox will be the majority.


Dramatic Orthodox Growth Is Transforming the American Jewish Community

Trump’s Poll Numbers Show How He’s Lost The Jews — Except The Orthodox
http://forward.com/news/382624/trumps-terrible-poll-numbers-show-how-hes-lost-the-jews-except-the-orthodox/

Some 71% of those who identify as Orthodox approve of Trump, compared with 25% of Conservatives, 11% of Reform, 8% of Reconstructionists and 14% of those identifying as “just Jewish.”

[CoinCube]

What should be done and why should we do it?
https://albionawakening.blogspot.co.uk/2017/09/what-should-be-done-and-why-should-we.html?m=1

What is needed is a metamorphosis of thinking - a qualitative change in the form of thinking.

(Because modern thinking is intrinsically incoherent, pathological and anti-Christian: we really must change it. Modern Man has tried and tried to believe in Christianity while thinking like a nihilist - it doesn't work. The dead materialism of the thinking weakens, erodes, subverts the belief.)

But specifically why must we change thinking? Aside from its fundamentally anti-Christian structure and assumptions and implications; what are the reasons?

1. We have the urge and the need to change it

Positively, we want more and better than life can have with the way we currently think; negatively we are experiencing alienation and all the consequent nihilism (lack of meaning, purpose and relation).

I say 'we' have this urge and need... well I do - and that inner drive is sufficient for me; but not everybody does. Indeed, probably only few people have the urge and need, so...

2. Consequences

It is our divine destiny to move beyond our current way of thinking; this is the path of theosis by which we become more-god-like, more fully gods. We need to think the way God thinks - qualitatively.

And if we do not, then our fate will be one of corruption, decline away from the divine; and ultimately of deliberate, purposive, self-chosen degradation, god-rejection hence damnation.

(We may, or may not, experience greater suffering - but it is possible that our souls may become ruined, our spirits poisoned; even while our minds, bodies and feelings are pampered and indulged.)

3. Freedom

We want to be free - we want, that is, to be awake, conscious, self-aware and active in thought; and not to be unconscious, constrained and compelled, asleep, distracted, and passive in our thinking. The new mode of thinking is for those who really want real freedom - as a priority.  

4. We want to grow-up

At present our culture is wilfully stuck in adolescence, clinging to perpetual youth; or else we turn back from this horror and attempt (only ever with partial success, because it is doomed to fail) to return to the mode of being of childhood. But we may wish instead to grow-up, to become more-and-more intensely and frequently as-God-is in thinking: the spiritually adult way of thinking and being.

5. Living in thinking

We may wish to live in our thinking; in our newly active state of knowing; and not, as is currently usual, to live in our feelings or in our minds. We may wish to know directly and inwardly, rather than at secondhand via communications and media. We may wish to live personally, familially, uniquely and specifically; rather than generally, generically, abstractly, institutionally. And by judgement; rather than by committees, votes, procedures, consensus, coercion, laws, rules, principles, protocols...


What - exactly - should we do?

Do one thing - and that thing is Primary Thinking; or by another name, Final Participation (Owen Barfield); or by another name Pure Thinking, or the Imaginative Soul (Rudolf Steiner).

But what does this entail? How would thinking actually change? In short it is thinking of the real/ deep/ divine self - and it is thinking that we recognise as valid and unbounded (it is heady stuff this thinking!).

Many, many things would result - here collected under eight headings...

1. Metaphysics - a new set of fundamental assumptions concerning the nature of reality. This is the basis for taking primary thinking seriously - as valid; and it is also the consequence of primary thinking, seriously pursued.(A virtuous cycle.)

2. Healing - therapy for the chronic sickness of our soul, the split between self and environment - between experience and theory; which has afflicted Man ever since the commencement of modernity with its self-consciousness.

(The problem always was there, but as a child and in earlier eras were were not aware of it; we simply took experience for granted.)

Thinking has (so far) been our plague; but primary thinking can become the cure of its own disease.  

3. Meaning, purpose and relationship built-into our way of thinking (instead of being excluded by it).

4. A transformation, a beginning of evolution - the experience (and expectation of) a moving-towards the goal of metamorphosis, of a changed and better way of thinking and being.

5. Motivation. At present Western, modern Man is profoundly demotivated - he does not want to do anything very much, very far ahead or to make sacrifices for something better...

Primary thinking will be - by contrast - a joy, an enthusiasm, an excitement and an expectation; a recovery of deep and lasting motivation.

(So freedom and motivation both... that is good.)

6. Positivity, optimism. These are products of faith in the goodness of God as loving parent; and the trust that our actual lives are, therefore, adequate to fulfilling his deepest wishes for our eternal well-being. This we can know directly - unmediated - by primary thinking. With Christ's gift of repentance, we are then immune to everything life may throw at us; anything can be turned to good...

7. Agency and Freedom. Do we truly want to be free - free in our deepest thought? Live from our-selves, not coerced or passive but generative, creative? Pursuit of freedom, agency, creativity all become possible, indeed inevitable - in the deepest sense. In primary thinking, freedom is directly experienced - we can observe our freedom in-action.

8. Autonomy. Because our (true) self is divine, because God is within us, because we have direct knowledge of God; then we have a solid and certain basis for everything.

We are not dependent on the chances of institutions, society, books, preserved traditions or uncorrupted authorities... even when these are all lacking, we can survive and thrive - by trial/ error/ repentance we can develop, and move towards The Good.

We need not go it alone - we can and should accept genuine help when available and needed; but we are not dependent on the external.

[Doomzoom]

Any religion is injurious to health!

[XinXan]

It's probably true that religion makes people happy because it gives you an alternative for death however, it's an illusion, you will eventually die and there will be no heaven, no after life, no purpose, no meaning just emptiness, that's life, nothing special, we really are just something that happened and there is no purpose. Knowing this reality is not going to do any good for anyone's happiness but regardless of feelings is still the truth.

[CoinCube]

It's probably true that religion makes people happy because it gives you an alternative for death however, it's an illusion, you will eventually die and there will be no heaven, no after life, no purpose, no meaning just emptiness, that's life, nothing special, we really are just something that happened and there is no purpose. Knowing this reality is not going to do any good for anyone's happiness but regardless of feelings is still the truth.

Nihilism (from the Latin nihil, nothing) is a philosophical doctrine that suggests the lack of belief in one or more reputedly meaningful aspects of life. Most commonly, nihilism is presented in the form of existential nihilism, which argues that life is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value.

What you have embraced here XinXan is the philosophy of nihilism. It is one of the most dangerous and toxic of the philosophical dead ends precisely because it it's so unhealthy and so difficult to escape once accepted.

I was never a nihilist so I am not the best person to help those with this particular condition. Bruce Charlton was a former nihilist so I would recommend reading his comments on nihilism I posted immediately above.

Nihilism locks you into noncooperation and is ultimately a barrier to freedom. I illustrated how this occurs in my posts on the prisoners dilemma immediately above. For the nihilist betrayal is the only logical action in prisoners dilemma. The Nash equilibrium becomes destiny.

Humans are by and large emotional and rational creatures. To truly achieve our potential, however, we need to elevate our nature and become superrational. Humanity must solve the prisoners dilemma and the ethical flaw it highlights.

There are two ways to limit the fallout from a prisoners dilemma type problem. The first and best way is to make the actors superrational instead of rational. This is very hard as it requires one to fundamentally elevate the nature of the participants.

Thus most of the the time we pursue simpler stopgap solutions to lock rational players into a metagame which alters short term decision making. In the case of the prisoners dilemma you introduce the crime syndicate on the outside that punishes those who talk.

The stopgap measures work for a time (sometimes a long time) but are vulnerable to being undermined as the fundamental problem (flawed participants) remains. In the case of the prisoners dilemma the crime syndicates may lose power or a witness protection program may be offered.

Since this is a bitcoin forum it should be noted that decentralized ledgers are this second stopgap type of solution. Self interest and greed are leveraged into support for an algorithm that introduces decentralized computational enforced transparency and verification. This limits the ability defect via abuse of seigniorage or debasement or forgery.

Stopgap measures can work but are vulnerable. In the case of a decentralized ledger the weakness is at the developer level where attempts can be made to seize control of the protocol via controlling future changes and updates. This is exactly where the attacks on bitcoin will and are occurring.

The world is not going to become superrational in the timeframe needed to deal with our imploding financial system. Thus stopgap measures are necessary. Fortunately it looks like decentralized ledgers are arriving just in time to provide the needed emergency relief.

I believe transparency is the fundamental advance of our time as I noted in the table below.

Cycles of Contention

		Cycle #1	Cycle #2	Cycle #3	Cycle #4	Cycle #5	Cycle #6
	Mechanism of Control	Knowledge of Evil	Warlordism	Holy War	Usury	Universal Surveillance	Hedonism
	Rulers	The Strong	Despots	God Kings/Monarchs	Capitalists	Oligarchs (NWO)	Decentralized Government
	Life of the Ruled	"Nasty, Brutish, Short"	Slaves	Surfs	Debtors	Basic Income Recipients	Knowledge Workers
	Facilitated Advance	Knowledge of Good	Commerce	Rule of Law	Growth	Transparency	Ascesis

Ultimately the rational individuals set themselves on a path towards destruction just as rational nations do who abandon superrationality and descend into stealing and power vacuums. The most successful may succeed for a generation or two if they are top dog but they have locked themselves into a prisoners prisoners dilemma which can lead only to their distruction at the hands of someone more powerful or their taking the role of local top dog of a sinking ship eventually finding themselves utterly uncompetitive in an age that rewards cooperation.

All knowledge traces back ultimately to certain apriori truths. The knowledge that life has meaning and purpose follows from the apriori truth of God.

If you deny the infinite you must choose different almost always nihilistic assumptions. These will obviously lead you to different and usually toxic conclusions.

Religion is a the only functional superrationality protocol. It maximizes superrationality and thus positive societal outcomes. It is the only force that enables suspension of defect-defect equilibrium like the prisoners dilemma or the power vacuum. When a superrationality protocol is abandoned (widespread rejection of religion) the gradual vice of ever increasing defection sets in and the countdown towards destruction of the society commences.

Paradoxically enough, the release of initiative and enterprise made possible by popular self-government ultimately generates disintegrating forces from within. Again and again after freedom has brought opportunity and some degree of plenty, the competent become selfish, luxury-loving and complacent, the incompetent and the unfortunate grow envious and covetous, and all three groups turn aside from the hard road of freedom to worship the Golden Calf of economic security.

The historical cycle seems to be: From bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to apathy; from apathy to dependency; and from dependency back to bondage once more."

It is moral degradation that leads to bondage for it is moral strengthening that allows free and strong societies to be built in the first place.

This is why Ethical Monotheism is so important and the reason why so much that is good in the world came from the west.

Without it we are reduced to merely rational actors. We become desperate prisoners who cannot escape the Nash equilibrium of defection and betrayal.

[Pubg_man205]

What makes people cheerful? God makes them cheerful at the cheerful times. When they doubt God, then they become cheerless. If they trust God, they can be cheerful in many troubles. God makes them cheerful.

People are cheerful comfortable conditions of life and lack of health problems, and not faith in God. Many atheists are much happier than religious people. It seems to me that sometimes religious people are unable to enjoy life because of the stupid prohibitions of their religion.

[BADecker]

What makes people cheerful? God makes them cheerful at the cheerful times. When they doubt God, then they become cheerless. If they trust God, they can be cheerful in many troubles. God makes them cheerful.

People are cheerful comfortable conditions of life and lack of health problems, and not faith in God. Many atheists are much happier than religious people. It seems to me that sometimes religious people are unable to enjoy life because of the stupid prohibitions of their religion.

The big difference is that if the person is a Christian, his happiness goes on into eternity, while the atheist's happiness ends at death if not sooner.

[yoseph]

What makes people cheerful? God makes them cheerful at the cheerful times. When they doubt God, then they become cheerless. If they trust God, they can be cheerful in many troubles. God makes them cheerful.

People are cheerful comfortable conditions of life and lack of health problems, and not faith in God. Many atheists are much happier than religious people. It seems to me that sometimes religious people are unable to enjoy life because of the stupid prohibitions of their religion.

As a christian i will say that nothing prohibits us from enjoying life as we see fit, The Bible says itself that we are free to do anything that we like but it also states that not everything that we do is beneficial for us. You can drink and smoke but its not going to be good for your health in the long term.

[Astargath]

What makes people cheerful? God makes them cheerful at the cheerful times. When they doubt God, then they become cheerless. If they trust God, they can be cheerful in many troubles. God makes them cheerful.

People are cheerful comfortable conditions of life and lack of health problems, and not faith in God. Many atheists are much happier than religious people. It seems to me that sometimes religious people are unable to enjoy life because of the stupid prohibitions of their religion.

The big difference is that if the person is a Christian, his happiness goes on into eternity, while the atheist's happiness ends at death if not sooner.

We are all going to die and end up in the same place no matter how much you want to believe we are special, I know it's hard to admit but it's the reality, there is nothing beyond death.

[BADecker]

What makes people cheerful? God makes them cheerful at the cheerful times. When they doubt God, then they become cheerless. If they trust God, they can be cheerful in many troubles. God makes them cheerful.

People are cheerful comfortable conditions of life and lack of health problems, and not faith in God. Many atheists are much happier than religious people. It seems to me that sometimes religious people are unable to enjoy life because of the stupid prohibitions of their religion.

The big difference is that if the person is a Christian, his happiness goes on into eternity, while the atheist's happiness ends at death if not sooner.

We are all going to die and end up in the same place no matter how much you want to believe we are special, I know it's hard to admit but it's the reality, there is nothing beyond death.

In addition to the proof that God exists that I have been showing you at the "Scientific proof that God exists?" thread, at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.0, there is scientific proof that the Bible is the Word of God.

The Bible proof is a bit more complicated to explain, and it is impossible to explain to a person who doesn't understand that God exists.

The strongest proof for God is not a scientific proof. It is a relation proof. When a person accepts the Spirit of God into his/her life, the person has personal relationship with God, and personal proof.

Those who don't accept the Holy Spirit don't have that proof. That's why they think that such proof is make-believe.

[Astargath]

What makes people cheerful? God makes them cheerful at the cheerful times. When they doubt God, then they become cheerless. If they trust God, they can be cheerful in many troubles. God makes them cheerful.

People are cheerful comfortable conditions of life and lack of health problems, and not faith in God. Many atheists are much happier than religious people. It seems to me that sometimes religious people are unable to enjoy life because of the stupid prohibitions of their religion.

The big difference is that if the person is a Christian, his happiness goes on into eternity, while the atheist's happiness ends at death if not sooner.

We are all going to die and end up in the same place no matter how much you want to believe we are special, I know it's hard to admit but it's the reality, there is nothing beyond death.

In addition to the proof that God exists that I have been showing you at the "Scientific proof that God exists?" thread, at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.0, there is scientific proof that the Bible is the Word of God.

The Bible proof is a bit more complicated to explain, and it is impossible to explain to a person who doesn't understand that God exists.

The strongest proof for God is not a scientific proof. It is a relation proof. When a person accepts the Spirit of God into his/her life, the person has personal relationship with God, and personal proof.

Those who don't accept the Holy Spirit don't have that proof. That's why they think that such proof is make-believe.

If the bible is the word of god then god is an idiot. Allowing slavery, killing people, stupid laws, there is nothing good about that god. He even killed everyone with the flood which btw makes no sense when he could have just wiped everyone and start over again but instead he decided to complicate it by creating a world wide flood that would kill everyone but a few people and then rebuild everything again.

[BADecker]

What makes people cheerful? God makes them cheerful at the cheerful times. When they doubt God, then they become cheerless. If they trust God, they can be cheerful in many troubles. God makes them cheerful.

People are cheerful comfortable conditions of life and lack of health problems, and not faith in God. Many atheists are much happier than religious people. It seems to me that sometimes religious people are unable to enjoy life because of the stupid prohibitions of their religion.

The big difference is that if the person is a Christian, his happiness goes on into eternity, while the atheist's happiness ends at death if not sooner.

We are all going to die and end up in the same place no matter how much you want to believe we are special, I know it's hard to admit but it's the reality, there is nothing beyond death.

In addition to the proof that God exists that I have been showing you at the "Scientific proof that God exists?" thread, at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.0, there is scientific proof that the Bible is the Word of God.

The Bible proof is a bit more complicated to explain, and it is impossible to explain to a person who doesn't understand that God exists.

The strongest proof for God is not a scientific proof. It is a relation proof. When a person accepts the Spirit of God into his/her life, the person has personal relationship with God, and personal proof.

Those who don't accept the Holy Spirit don't have that proof. That's why they think that such proof is make-believe.

If the bible is the word of god then god is an idiot. Allowing slavery, killing people, stupid laws, there is nothing good about that god. He even killed everyone with the flood which btw makes no sense when he could have just wiped everyone and start over again but instead he decided to complicate it by creating a world wide flood that would kill everyone but a few people and then rebuild everything again.

LOL!

There is this Great Being who is so great that He made the universe. And you won't take the time to read the Bible to find out why He does what He does. Rather, you think yourself so smart that you just know that God is an idiot.

Keep on pushing yourself into tininess. Soon you will turn yourself into empty space in the box.

LOL.

[Astargath]

What makes people cheerful? God makes them cheerful at the cheerful times. When they doubt God, then they become cheerless. If they trust God, they can be cheerful in many troubles. God makes them cheerful.

People are cheerful comfortable conditions of life and lack of health problems, and not faith in God. Many atheists are much happier than religious people. It seems to me that sometimes religious people are unable to enjoy life because of the stupid prohibitions of their religion.

The big difference is that if the person is a Christian, his happiness goes on into eternity, while the atheist's happiness ends at death if not sooner.

We are all going to die and end up in the same place no matter how much you want to believe we are special, I know it's hard to admit but it's the reality, there is nothing beyond death.

In addition to the proof that God exists that I have been showing you at the "Scientific proof that God exists?" thread, at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.0, there is scientific proof that the Bible is the Word of God.

The Bible proof is a bit more complicated to explain, and it is impossible to explain to a person who doesn't understand that God exists.

The strongest proof for God is not a scientific proof. It is a relation proof. When a person accepts the Spirit of God into his/her life, the person has personal relationship with God, and personal proof.

Those who don't accept the Holy Spirit don't have that proof. That's why they think that such proof is make-believe.

If the bible is the word of god then god is an idiot. Allowing slavery, killing people, stupid laws, there is nothing good about that god. He even killed everyone with the flood which btw makes no sense when he could have just wiped everyone and start over again but instead he decided to complicate it by creating a world wide flood that would kill everyone but a few people and then rebuild everything again.

LOL!

There is this Great Being who is so great that He made the universe. And you won't take the time to read the Bible to find out why He does what He does. Rather, you think yourself so smart that you just know that God is an idiot.

Keep on pushing yourself into tininess. Soon you will turn yourself into empty space in the box.

LOL.

He is an idiot, it's a fact. Humans are flawed and his laws are flawed and stupid.

[BADecker]

What makes people cheerful? God makes them cheerful at the cheerful times. When they doubt God, then they become cheerless. If they trust God, they can be cheerful in many troubles. God makes them cheerful.

People are cheerful comfortable conditions of life and lack of health problems, and not faith in God. Many atheists are much happier than religious people. It seems to me that sometimes religious people are unable to enjoy life because of the stupid prohibitions of their religion.

The big difference is that if the person is a Christian, his happiness goes on into eternity, while the atheist's happiness ends at death if not sooner.

We are all going to die and end up in the same place no matter how much you want to believe we are special, I know it's hard to admit but it's the reality, there is nothing beyond death.

In addition to the proof that God exists that I have been showing you at the "Scientific proof that God exists?" thread, at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.0, there is scientific proof that the Bible is the Word of God.

The Bible proof is a bit more complicated to explain, and it is impossible to explain to a person who doesn't understand that God exists.

The strongest proof for God is not a scientific proof. It is a relation proof. When a person accepts the Spirit of God into his/her life, the person has personal relationship with God, and personal proof.

Those who don't accept the Holy Spirit don't have that proof. That's why they think that such proof is make-believe.

If the bible is the word of god then god is an idiot. Allowing slavery, killing people, stupid laws, there is nothing good about that god. He even killed everyone with the flood which btw makes no sense when he could have just wiped everyone and start over again but instead he decided to complicate it by creating a world wide flood that would kill everyone but a few people and then rebuild everything again.

LOL!

There is this Great Being who is so great that He made the universe. And you won't take the time to read the Bible to find out why He does what He does. Rather, you think yourself so smart that you just know that God is an idiot.

Keep on pushing yourself into tininess. Soon you will turn yourself into empty space in the box.

LOL.

He is an idiot, it's a fact. Humans are flawed and his laws are flawed and stupid.

A little bit farther, now. Soon you will be in such a deep hole you will never get out.

 

EDIT: Of course, you might find gold down in your hole.  

EDIT2: Of course, you'll never be able to get it out. 

[Astargath]

What makes people cheerful? God makes them cheerful at the cheerful times. When they doubt God, then they become cheerless. If they trust God, they can be cheerful in many troubles. God makes them cheerful.

People are cheerful comfortable conditions of life and lack of health problems, and not faith in God. Many atheists are much happier than religious people. It seems to me that sometimes religious people are unable to enjoy life because of the stupid prohibitions of their religion.

The big difference is that if the person is a Christian, his happiness goes on into eternity, while the atheist's happiness ends at death if not sooner.

We are all going to die and end up in the same place no matter how much you want to believe we are special, I know it's hard to admit but it's the reality, there is nothing beyond death.

In addition to the proof that God exists that I have been showing you at the "Scientific proof that God exists?" thread, at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.0, there is scientific proof that the Bible is the Word of God.

The Bible proof is a bit more complicated to explain, and it is impossible to explain to a person who doesn't understand that God exists.

The strongest proof for God is not a scientific proof. It is a relation proof. When a person accepts the Spirit of God into his/her life, the person has personal relationship with God, and personal proof.

Those who don't accept the Holy Spirit don't have that proof. That's why they think that such proof is make-believe.

If the bible is the word of god then god is an idiot. Allowing slavery, killing people, stupid laws, there is nothing good about that god. He even killed everyone with the flood which btw makes no sense when he could have just wiped everyone and start over again but instead he decided to complicate it by creating a world wide flood that would kill everyone but a few people and then rebuild everything again.

LOL!

There is this Great Being who is so great that He made the universe. And you won't take the time to read the Bible to find out why He does what He does. Rather, you think yourself so smart that you just know that God is an idiot.

Keep on pushing yourself into tininess. Soon you will turn yourself into empty space in the box.

LOL.

He is an idiot, it's a fact. Humans are flawed and his laws are flawed and stupid.

A little bit farther, now. Soon you will be in such a deep hole you will never get out.

 

EDIT: Of course, you might find gold down in your hole.  

EDIT2: Of course, you'll never be able to get it out. 

Hey you are free to believe whatever you want but you can't tell me the bible is a good book. There are whole chapters dedicated to instruct people on how to enslave other people and how you can beat your slaves because they are your property or how being homosexual is a sin.

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Your assumption that atheism and socialism are somehow downsides of high IQ is deeply flawed. Also, isn't it quite telling that the smarter a person is, the less likely they are to believe fairytales? I never understand how people can't just see that maybe they should revisit their beliefs rather than constantly saying that things like science are being manipulated to disprove their beliefs. The obvious answer is that bronze age mythology is just as wrong as Norse mythology or Greek. There is no Odin, there is no Zeus, there is no Yahweh. Ask yourself why 2 of those statements don't bother you, but the third one does. Anything that you use to disprove the first two will disprove your own god too.