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[coinlocket$]

I'd rather would see races in old school tracks like Suzuka, Hungaroring, Hockenheim than in these fancy new circuits like Singapore, Sochi or some new tracks which are planned in future - they are much more boring than these old tracks.

I prefer tracks where you can overtake, SPA and Monza are masterpieces.

Hungaroring has 1 point where you can overtake.
Suzuka, meh.

Hockenheim was better in his old configuration but now is ok for overtakes.

Tracks in Austria, Japan, Singapore and (wil never happen) Monaco, needs to be changed.

[bbc.reporter]

@coinlocket. Agreed. Monaco is the trophy that every driver dreams about. I reckon that if there was a plan to remove it, another prestigious street race should replace it. Maybe London or Paris?

In any case, another Mercedes constructors championship. When is the engine change hehehe?

[Naida_BR]

@coinlocket. Agreed. Monaco is the trophy that every driver dreams about. I reckon that if there was a plan to remove it, another prestigious street race should replace it. Maybe London or Paris?

In any case, another Mercedes constructors championship. When is the engine change hehehe?

I don't think that it is an engine advantage for Mercedes.
We have seen in many races this season that Ferrari lost wins due to bad strategies. Also they didn't define who is the 1st and 2nd driver in the team, and this is a problem for Ferrari is they wanted to win the constructors championship.

[swogerino]

@coinlocket. Agreed. Monaco is the trophy that every driver dreams about. I reckon that if there was a plan to remove it, another prestigious street race should replace it. Maybe London or Paris?

In any case, another Mercedes constructors championship. When is the engine change hehehe?

I don't think that it is an engine advantage for Mercedes.
We have seen in many races this season that Ferrari lost wins due to bad strategies. Also they didn't define who is the 1st and 2nd driver in the team, and this is a problem for Ferrari is they wanted to win the constructors championship.

I think that the concept of first and second driver is a wrong one which impacts the beauty of racing in itself.Mercedes also has not a first and second driver although it may look like they have.The last victory of Bottas shows this.They favor the driver with the highest probability to win a race.

[DaveF]

The Formula E Valencia Testing for the 2019-20 season has started.
Link to the results PDF from yesterday:

http://results.fiaformulae.com/Results/05_2019-20/00_Valencia%20Testing/ABB%20FIA%20Formula%20E%20Championship/201910150900_Test%20session%201/03_Classification_Test%20session%201.PDF?_ga=2.55931305.36943030.1571253188-133239463.1571253188

Link to the main site:

https://www.fiaformulae.com/en/championship/valencia-test

I know I am in the minority, but *I* like it.

-Dave

[1982dre]

Sad news?

A big storm is coming in Japan, the qualification round can be delayed to Sunday morning.

And they had to make changes in schedule. They cancelled FP3 and moved qualification to Sunday - it will happen in early morning just few hours before the race. There will be no action on the track on Saturday.

@LTU_btc. Which might really be the ideal schedule for the teams and their drivers if this sport was not a business hehe.

Also, bet for Max to win? It might be a wet race.

Max and rain is a good combination. That race at Brazil was just amazing.

@LTU_btc let’s hope we get to see the live race tomorrow, and hopefully the safety cars will stay away otherwise it’ll spoil the race. Max has a good chance of winning due to his current form, but he needs to start on the podium tomorrow otherwise he may not be able to win in such conditions due to visibility issues.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2016/nov/14/max-verstappen-brazilian-grand-prix-felipe-massa

Too bad Max races was ruined by Leclerc. The whole team was aiming for a win in Japan and then such race. 

[swogerino]

Sad news?

A big storm is coming in Japan, the qualification round can be delayed to Sunday morning.

And they had to make changes in schedule. They cancelled FP3 and moved qualification to Sunday - it will happen in early morning just few hours before the race. There will be no action on the track on Saturday.

@LTU_btc. Which might really be the ideal schedule for the teams and their drivers if this sport was not a business hehe.

Also, bet for Max to win? It might be a wet race.

Max and rain is a good combination. That race at Brazil was just amazing.

@LTU_btc let’s hope we get to see the live race tomorrow, and hopefully the safety cars will stay away otherwise it’ll spoil the race. Max has a good chance of winning due to his current form, but he needs to start on the podium tomorrow otherwise he may not be able to win in such conditions due to visibility issues.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2016/nov/14/max-verstappen-brazilian-grand-prix-felipe-massa

Too bad Max races was ruined by Leclerc. The whole team was aiming for a win in Japan and then such race. 

That is racing,I think it was not intentional and probably Max and all other drivers should have been a bit more careful in the start of the race as we saw many touches there.The race was beautiful as it has always been in Suzuka in the last years and I think we all enjoyed it.

[Juggy777]

Sad news?

A big storm is coming in Japan, the qualification round can be delayed to Sunday morning.

And they had to make changes in schedule. They cancelled FP3 and moved qualification to Sunday - it will happen in early morning just few hours before the race. There will be no action on the track on Saturday.

@LTU_btc. Which might really be the ideal schedule for the teams and their drivers if this sport was not a business hehe.

Also, bet for Max to win? It might be a wet race.

Max and rain is a good combination. That race at Brazil was just amazing.

@LTU_btc let’s hope we get to see the live race tomorrow, and hopefully the safety cars will stay away otherwise it’ll spoil the race. Max has a good chance of winning due to his current form, but he needs to start on the podium tomorrow otherwise he may not be able to win in such conditions due to visibility issues.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2016/nov/14/max-verstappen-brazilian-grand-prix-felipe-massa

Too bad Max races was ruined by Leclerc. The whole team was aiming for a win in Japan and then such race. 

That is racing,I think it was not intentional and probably Max and all other drivers should have been a bit more careful in the start of the race as we saw many touches there.The race was beautiful as it has always been in Suzuka in the last years and I think we all enjoyed it.

@swogerino I’ll agree it was not intentional and at the end of day it’s sports sometimes your favourite driver wins sometimes he looses there’s no need to get upset over what happened. Indeed the race turned out better than I thought, but I would not call it a perfect race due to that incident.

[Naida_BR]

Sad news?

A big storm is coming in Japan, the qualification round can be delayed to Sunday morning.

And they had to make changes in schedule. They cancelled FP3 and moved qualification to Sunday - it will happen in early morning just few hours before the race. There will be no action on the track on Saturday.

@LTU_btc. Which might really be the ideal schedule for the teams and their drivers if this sport was not a business hehe.

Also, bet for Max to win? It might be a wet race.

Max and rain is a good combination. That race at Brazil was just amazing.

@LTU_btc let’s hope we get to see the live race tomorrow, and hopefully the safety cars will stay away otherwise it’ll spoil the race. Max has a good chance of winning due to his current form, but he needs to start on the podium tomorrow otherwise he may not be able to win in such conditions due to visibility issues.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2016/nov/14/max-verstappen-brazilian-grand-prix-felipe-massa

Too bad Max races was ruined by Leclerc. The whole team was aiming for a win in Japan and then such race. 

That is racing,I think it was not intentional and probably Max and all other drivers should have been a bit more careful in the start of the race as we saw many touches there.The race was beautiful as it has always been in Suzuka in the last years and I think we all enjoyed it.

@swogerino I’ll agree it was not intentional and at the end of day it’s sports sometimes your favourite driver wins sometimes he looses there’s no need to get upset over what happened. Indeed the race turned out better than I thought, but I would not call it a perfect race due to that incident.

Max Verstappen is always reckless. Something similar happened between Leclerc and Max at Austria.
At that case none was kicked out of the race, but still Verstappen was so aggressive and pushed Leclerc out of track. I think he should be careful in order to protect himself in the future.

[coinlocket$]

New hopeful fun GP for F1 this week, these are results of 2018 according to Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Mexican_Grand_Prix

Qualification
1    3    Australia Daniel Ricciardo    Red Bull Racing-TAG Heuer    1:15.866    1:15.845    1:14.759    1
2    33    Netherlands Max Verstappen    Red Bull Racing-TAG Heuer    1:15.756    1:15.640    1:14.785    2
3    44    United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton    Mercedes    1:15.673    1:15.644    1:14.894    3
4    5    Germany Sebastian Vettel    Ferrari    1:16.089    1:15.715    1:14.970    4
5    77    Finland Valtteri Bottas    Mercedes    1:15.580    1:15.923    1:15.160    5
6    7    Finland Kimi Räikkönen    Ferrari    1:16.446    1:15.996    1:15.330    6

Race
1    33    Netherlands Max Verstappen    Red Bull Racing-TAG Heuer    71    1:38:28.851    2    25
2    5    Germany Sebastian Vettel    Ferrari    71    +17.316    4    18
3    7    Finland Kimi Räikkönen    Ferrari    71    +49.914    6    15
4    44    United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton    Mercedes    71    +1:18.738    3    12
5    77    Finland Valtteri Bottas    Mercedes    70    +1 lap    5    10


This seems a race for agile cars, can be a race for Redbull, 1st sessions starts soon.

[1982dre]

Sad news?

A big storm is coming in Japan, the qualification round can be delayed to Sunday morning.

And they had to make changes in schedule. They cancelled FP3 and moved qualification to Sunday - it will happen in early morning just few hours before the race. There will be no action on the track on Saturday.

@LTU_btc. Which might really be the ideal schedule for the teams and their drivers if this sport was not a business hehe.

Also, bet for Max to win? It might be a wet race.

Max and rain is a good combination. That race at Brazil was just amazing.

@LTU_btc let’s hope we get to see the live race tomorrow, and hopefully the safety cars will stay away otherwise it’ll spoil the race. Max has a good chance of winning due to his current form, but he needs to start on the podium tomorrow otherwise he may not be able to win in such conditions due to visibility issues.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2016/nov/14/max-verstappen-brazilian-grand-prix-felipe-massa

Too bad Max races was ruined by Leclerc. The whole team was aiming for a win in Japan and then such race. 

That is racing,I think it was not intentional and probably Max and all other drivers should have been a bit more careful in the start of the race as we saw many touches there.The race was beautiful as it has always been in Suzuka in the last years and I think we all enjoyed it.

@swogerino I’ll agree it was not intentional and at the end of day it’s sports sometimes your favourite driver wins sometimes he looses there’s no need to get upset over what happened. Indeed the race turned out better than I thought, but I would not call it a perfect race due to that incident.

Max Verstappen is always reckless. Something similar happened between Leclerc and Max at Austria.
At that case none was kicked out of the race, but still Verstappen was so aggressive and pushed Leclerc out of track. I think he should be careful in order to protect himself in the future.

Well in Austria there wasn't that much happening. That was hard racing but wasn't reckless like he was at the beginning.

[elda34b]

No need to keep quoting when you only replied to the last sentence. It's getting hard to read this topic now.
Rossi made a decent FP run in Australia. The doctor also 'wants' to race against his brother, some article said. It would be amazing if he continues racing until he's 50 years old.

[coinlocket$]

Looking at FP2 Verstappen seems to be very competitive even with the new motor.

Keep in mind they were around the time of 1:16 so the pole position probably will be 1.14 and something.

Verstappen and Redbull dominated the last 2 edition of this GP but they got the Renault power unit, this year should be a different story, if he will lead the qualification the gap will be very close.

I don't think he can compete and Ferrari will take the pole, let's see what will happen.

[Naida_BR]

Looking at FP2 Verstappen seems to be very competitive even with the new motor.

Keep in mind they were around the time of 1:16 so the pole position probably will be 1.14 and something.

Verstappen and Redbull dominated the last 2 edition of this GP but they got the Renault power unit, this year should be a different story, if he will lead the qualification the gap will be very close.

I don't think he can compete and Ferrari will take the pole, let's see what will happen.

Qualification round in some hours from now.
I love the Mexico track and I think that it is time for Verstappen to shine in this race. Hamilton is going to secure the title I think.

[coinlocket$]

FP3 right now, nobody on the track is not raining but the track is wet.

No one is risking their car, the quality is in 2 hours. Last 30 minutes about this shaming session.

[Naida_BR]

Max Verstappen got the pole position, the Ferrari's are following in the grid.
Such a putty for Bottas who crashed in the last corner. The Mercedes team will have a difficult night fixing his car and making it ready for tomorrow's race.

[coinlocket$]

Huge crash for Bottas!

Verstappen got the pole BUT he is under investigation for not decreasing the speed when Bottas crashed.
The normal rule is: Remove the lap time when he didn't slow down.


This case is different: They are investigating for ignoring the allert of safety and in this case they can remove all of his times and removing the pole so.

Let's see what happens

[bbc.reporter]

@coinlocket$. Max was removed from his pole position. Sometimes it might be better to keep quiet about some situations. See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil hehehe.


Max Verstappen has been stripped of his Mexican Grand Prix pole position after the stewards handed him a three-place grid penalty for failing to slow for Valtteri Bottas’ Q3 crash…

Verstappen was running behind Bottas when the Finn crashed heavily at Turn 17. The Red Bull driver passed one yellow flag en route to bettering his initial leading lap time in qualifying.

After speaking to Verstappen and reviewing video, audio and telemetry evidence, the stewards ruled the Red Bull driver “attempted to set a meaningful lap time and failed to reduce his speed in the relevant marshalling sector.”

Source https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.verstappen-stripped-of-mexican-gp-pole-for-ignoring-yellow-flag-leclerc.1DiWB8Fo9O0tZcbG8RJYvA.html

[Juggy777]

@coinlocket$. Max was removed from his pole position. Sometimes it might be better to keep quiet about some situations. See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil hehehe.


Max Verstappen has been stripped of his Mexican Grand Prix pole position after the stewards handed him a three-place grid penalty for failing to slow for Valtteri Bottas’ Q3 crash…

Verstappen was running behind Bottas when the Finn crashed heavily at Turn 17. The Red Bull driver passed one yellow flag en route to bettering his initial leading lap time in qualifying.

After speaking to Verstappen and reviewing video, audio and telemetry evidence, the stewards ruled the Red Bull driver “attempted to set a meaningful lap time and failed to reduce his speed in the relevant marshalling sector.”

Source https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.verstappen-stripped-of-mexican-gp-pole-for-ignoring-yellow-flag-leclerc.1DiWB8Fo9O0tZcbG8RJYvA.html

@bbc.reporter I feel Verstappen is guilty of not slowing down post the crash, he got greedy to finish first and broke the rule and he’s been rightly punished for it. This race will be very exciting now as both the Ferrari drivers Charles and Vettel are starting at the first and second position respectively, do you’ll feel they can win this race?.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.verstappen-stripped-of-mexican-gp-pole-for-ignoring-yellow-flag-leclerc.1DiWB8Fo9O0tZcbG8RJYvA.html

[coinlocket$]

Oh, in the end, they give a penalty for him...
Well in my country in these cases we say "he acted like a chicken".

He had the pole what was his reason to ignore flags? Good penalty.
The weather, however, can be rain.

The race is in a few hours.