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March 07, 2020, 02:01:18 AM
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This is for anyone, but mostly for atheists who rely on science.

Banned TED Talk: The Science Delusion - Rupert Sheldrake at TEDx Whitechapel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TerTgDEgUE


Big Bang is a Lie - Rupert Sheldrake | London Real

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BcE_qDkORE


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March 07, 2020, 02:08:15 AM
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It matters not: these discussions serve another benefit to my own education. Refinement of philosophical understanding comes much more easily when you have someone to discuss them with, and given BADecker's eagerness thereof, I consider him a fairly apt partner for this purpose.

However, with BADecker, you're just arguing alone against a wall of nonsense. This guy believes a book like Harry Potter is the gospel of truth.
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March 07, 2020, 05:38:06 PM
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Thanks for upholding Sheldrake's info by not supplying any counter info.

As I have shown, science is partially a belief system. Most of the belief system part lies in science theories. Sheldrake shows us where there are other parts that are belief system.

The big thing that hides the belief system part of science theory, is the fact that science theory often has some science fact at its base. Some science fact(s) are used to support the theory. This hides the fact that the science theory itself is an unknown. And to believe that it is true when it is unknown, is to have a science belief system.

Science, one of the religions of man!... such a powerful religion that it tends to obscure the religion(s) that point to God. So science brings about atheism... but at least often supports it. Of course, the weakness of atheism is shown through the stronger science that shows that God exists.

Thanks for the advice for me and Sheldrake to go back to school. Now that we have, and have included factual knowledge about science in our schooling, come with us to the real school of science, rather than the brainwashing that selfish science consensus uses to promote their own selfish ends.

God exists and is in control. Please don't wait until you die to find this out. Your choice, however.

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March 07, 2020, 06:18:46 PM
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The proof for the Dead Sea Scrolls is God, of course. However, the odds, while they are probably low enough in this case to not be proof (as science considers proof by odds), are definitely high enough to make believers out of anybody who sees them and is honest with himself.
I once again ask for your answer to the simple multiple-choice question. This will facilitate further understanding.

As of this current point, it is still unclear whether you are entering an infinite regress, an axiomatic claim, or in the midst of a circular argument.
Regarding your multiple choice question, it seems to be irrelevant to this discussion. Why? Because it is part of the basic questions we all ask. We don't have the answer to the question with regard to a building up from the basics. If we did, everybody would be on the same page with religion... be it God religion or atheism religion.

Since you would rather focus on our "talk" as the point, rather than on atheism, and to attempt to make the "points" and "articles" of talking into the topic, you are going off-topic regarding this thread.



Of course, God doesn't have to be called "God" to be God. The word "God" - especially these days - has many connotations attached to it that are not necessarily applicable to the Being we call God. So, use a better word. The Great First Cause is a form I like somewhat. While it doesn't have much of the meaning for God that other words might, it's appeal lies in the idea that God is original, before all, made it all, and set everything into motion.
Interesting. What makes you inclined to your branch of Biblical representation thereof as opposed to any other representation of God is what I'm trying to grasp, however.
I'm confused about why you have question about this. I thought I had clearly set it down, both in simple form and complex form. Let me repeat it here in simple one-word form >>> Science.

Note that each person who believes or thinks about science or God, does so at least slightly differently than every other person. So, essentially, when a person says that he believes the same as anyone else - has the same religion - if he doesn't include in his saying that he is speaking in simple, general ways, he is lying... whether he knows it or not.



It's rather unfortunate for you that you seem to like to drag the idea of God down into all kinds of simplistic ideas and formulas where you can split Him apart.
That is not what I am doing and if you have made this assumption then I would be happy to elaborate on the specific passage of which you made this conclusion.
God is not the simple thing that has to do with B and B0. Such talk is getting down to the basics (sort of) which are so basic that the discussion could go on for a long time before showing the reality of God or atheism. Fun to talk, but there are other things in life than this basic kind of talk in a forum... other things that show the reality of God's existence.

However, even though God isn't the simplicity, Himself, He deals perfectly with the tiniest simplicity. Atheists - people who try to make themselves out to be God above the real God - are simple enough in themselves that they can never get down to the real B and B0, anyway. Perhaps there is a section in the forum for math and logic experts?



The fact that we can think and choose shows that God exists in each of us.
I can only assume you are referring to a concept of free will, which we have yet to define.
Thank Goodness that we have dictionaries and encyclopedias!



Then one day, the final mutation happened in one of them. This being evolved past the point where it needed a body to be alive. Not only this, but it also evolved to the point where it could actually control the space-time continuum.
This is an interesting theory albeit unclear in its origin.
I didn't know it was a theory. I thought it was a story, one that might be used as some kind of parable at times. I would ask for your source for it being a theory... if I were interested.



Isn't it time that we cast aside the religion that is against God, and embrace the reality of the existence of God? Why focus on the beating down something that can't be destroyed, while only destroying ourselves instead?
Are all organized religions against your idea of God? Which particular set of dogmas and beliefs is the correct one to follow?

All religions are against some of the parts of my idea of God. It's God that holds me in my religion, so how could I understand even my own religion?

Here's what is interesting about atheists. They don't WANT to understand the parts of their idea of God, in their atheism religion... that they are setting themselves up as God when they try to believe that He doesn't exist. This is what will destroy them.

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March 07, 2020, 06:21:30 PM
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Religious zealots using the internet and computers, all based on science, to spread their anti-science bullshit. Is that hypocrisy or just plain ignorance?
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March 07, 2020, 06:27:28 PM
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Religious zealots using the internet and computers, all based on science, to spread their anti-science bullshit. Is that hypocrisy or just plain ignorance?

Yes, absolutely!

It's really time for the atheism religious zealots to turn and realize that science is simply another thing that God has made. This will turn them from being wrong religious zealots into being right religious zealots.

For example. Imagine that simple electrolysis of water was something that was unknown to ancient peoples thousands of years ago. Then, whenever it was that it was discovered, electrolysis became known to people/scientists.

But the thing that we have yet to figure out is, did electrolysis even exist before it was discovered. Perhaps the fact that scientists were looking for how things worked, and God was answering their request (prayer), prompted the loving God to invent electrolysis - and all the other scientific, physics operations - as they were requested by scientists.

In other words, no scientific knowledge existed until God made the particluar science, simply to satisfy scientists. How do we know that this isn't what is happening regarding all discoveries, but especially scientific ones? They weren't in existence until the scientists discovered them.

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March 07, 2020, 06:37:21 PM
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I hear BADecker just started reading Harry Potter and changed his religion already. Kids these days...
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March 07, 2020, 06:59:49 PM
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I hear BADecker just started reading Harry Potter and changed his religion already. Kids these days...

^^^ How can an atheist get so off-topic as this^^, right in one of his home threads?

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March 07, 2020, 07:15:32 PM
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Do not argue with a fool. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. Instead, make fun of him.
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March 07, 2020, 07:22:38 PM
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Do not argue with a fool. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. Instead, make fun of him.

Gradually becoming a God believer as you gain wisdom, right? Proverbs 29:9:
If a wise person goes to court with a fool, the fool rages and scoffs, and there is no peace.

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March 07, 2020, 07:43:10 PM
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You're a good boy BADecker, you've learned to read! Go get a sweet!
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March 07, 2020, 11:20:02 PM
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You're a good boy BADecker, you've learned to read! Go get a sweet!

Well, thank you kindly, Lambowei. God already provided me with a sweatshirt. I don't need a sweater.

Now you need to figure out what to read, so that you can find out about God. He might provide you with the sweater that I didn't need.

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March 08, 2020, 12:32:12 AM
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This reminds me of a cute little story I used in the evolution thread. I'll repeat it here, between the lines, so that you can ignore it easier if you want.



In some galaxy far, far away... ~snip~... (the usual BADecker utter bollocks lunacy)



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Well thanx for those lines letting me know where to ignore your ridiculous "cute little story."
Though you really didn't need to go to the trouble there dude.
I see a post next to your username and I automatically know it will all be laughable nonsense.

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March 08, 2020, 12:47:11 AM
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This reminds me of a cute little story I used in the evolution thread. I'll repeat it here, between the lines, so that you can ignore it easier if you want.



In some galaxy far, far away... ~snip~... (the usual BADecker utter bollocks lunacy)



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Well thanx for those lines letting me know where to ignore your ridiculous "cute little story."
Though you really didn't need to go to the trouble there dude.
I see a post next to your username and I automatically know it will all be laughable nonsense.

No, thank you. After all, anybody steeped in laughable nonsense as you are, will find laughable nonsense wherever he looks, and in anything he wishes to find laughable nonsense. Such is often the way atheists laugh at God, to their own hurt, later.

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March 08, 2020, 04:05:13 AM
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No, thank you.
But I didn't offer you anything.

After all, anybody steeped in laughable nonsense as you are,
I'm steeping in nonsense alright, but only when I read your posts (as I previously inferred)

...will find laughable nonsense wherever he looks...
see above

....and in anything he wishes to find laughable nonsense.
you are proving my point

Such is often the way atheists laugh at God,
How can I laugh at something that doesn't exist?

... to their own hurt, later.
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I'm still waiting for your imaginary friend to smite me....

....Oh jeeezus....I must be bored tonight.....  (burp)

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March 08, 2020, 04:18:00 AM
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Science is not a belief system.  Rupert needs to go back to school.

yeah actually it is.

basically any system

 atheist
religious
scientific

Are  all belief systems.

Science does require repeatable independent experiments 🧫.

But still involves belief that repeatable independent experiments are not a simple trick done by a god or gods.

Not that I choose to believe God or no God.

I am honest enough to know I am too stupid to know what is real or true..

So I stick with being agnostic and let others argue about the true nature of reality .
  

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March 08, 2020, 06:37:50 AM
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As of this current point, it is still unclear whether you are entering an infinite regress, an axiomatic claim, or in the midst of a circular argument.
Regarding your multiple choice question, it seems to be irrelevant to this discussion. Why? Because it is part of the basic questions we all ask. We don't have the answer to the question with regard to a building up from the basics. If we did, everybody would be on the same page with religion... be it God religion or atheism religion.
That seems strange, because I know many philosophers that establish themselves with coherentism, foundationalism, and infinitism. This is not a simple matter of "which do you prefer, apples or peaches?" but rather a core aspect of how you determine truth.

Even if you don't know your own belief structure, you may still be able to discover the underlying core behind it by use of the Socratic method or logical/syllogistic deconstruction.

Since you would rather focus on our "talk" as the point, rather than on atheism, and to attempt to make the "points" and "articles" of talking into the topic, you are going off-topic regarding this thread.
I'm not sure why this is a problem. If certain points of discussion lead to the reason for Atheism (whatever one's definition of that is) then would they not be on-topic? For that matter, if we were following in sequence, we reach a Sorites paradox of determining the point at which we breached on-topicness. Aren't words fun?

Note that each person who believes or thinks about science or God, does so at least slightly differently than every other person. So, essentially, when a person says that he believes the same as anyone else - has the same religion - if he doesn't include in his saying that he is speaking in simple, general ways, he is lying... whether he knows it or not.
Interesting! Correct me if you so choose: interpretations of this Great First Mover (GFM) may differ between individuals yet the essence of the GFM remains constant? Certainly, this can be seen in various other conceptual ideas (your previous example of 'love' serves as a proper example).

God is not the simple thing that has to do with B and B0. Such talk is getting down to the basics (sort of) which are so basic that the discussion could go on for a long time before showing the reality of God or atheism. Fun to talk, but there are other things in life than this basic kind of talk in a forum... other things that show the reality of God's existence.
This would have been much simpler had you started with this idea rather than mentioning anything Biblical. If GFM is detached from tangible objects, then let's discard the Biblical and Dead Sea Scroll topic and focus on GFM itself.

Atheists - people who try to make themselves out to be God above the real God
I fail to recognize where I have made this claim.

Thank Goodness that we have dictionaries and encyclopedias!
Of which, show slight variations in their definitions. Just as you do not know my definition of free will, I do not know yours. The existence of a dictionary definition doesn't mean that someone has their own ideas of some term X. Regardless, we can abandon this topic if you do not wish to delve further.

This is an interesting theory albeit unclear in its origin.
I didn't know it was a theory. I thought it was a story, one that might be used as some kind of parable at times. I would ask for your source for it being a theory... if I were interested.
Replace theory with story, if you want. That was my intended semantic construction, anyway.
Still having fun here.

If I were to be honest, I would say that my belief in a GFM has no pragmatic influence upon my actions and experiences in the world and thus the tautological nature is of no substance to my life. You may have a different conclusion from your belief structure, which is why I want to ascertain its nature.

If its nature is indeterminable, then no problem: whether I believe in it or not won't matter, since we have no causal link behind belief/non-belief and some arbitrary event.
If its nature is determinable, then it should be determinable in absolution, since any lack of understanding of an entity should pose doubt behind causal links derived thereof.

A simple example of the latter would be a basic "doubling" algorithm, with one word hidden:
If you send some amount of money to me, I will return twice the amount negatively.

There you have it: comprehension of almost the entirety of the algorithm could lead to any possibility of events
(note that my word addition could be placed anywhere in the algorithm and does not have to be limited to a singular word)

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March 08, 2020, 02:23:28 PM
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I'm still waiting for your imaginary friend to smite me....

....Oh jeeezus....I must be bored tonight.....  (burp)

God is giving you the opportunity to turn to Him. Later in life, He will smite you as you asked. If you haven't turned to Him by then, you won't find any relief from your smiting.

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If I were to be honest, I would say that my belief in a GFM has no pragmatic influence upon my actions and experiences in the world and thus the tautological nature is of no substance to my life. You may have a different conclusion from your belief structure, which is why I want to ascertain its nature.

If its nature is indeterminable, then no problem: whether I believe in it or not won't matter, since we have no causal link behind belief/non-belief and some arbitrary event.
If its nature is determinable, then it should be determinable in absolution, since any lack of understanding of an entity should pose doubt behind causal links derived thereof.

A simple example of the latter would be a basic "doubling" algorithm, with one word hidden:
If you send some amount of money to me, I will return twice the amount negatively.

There you have it: comprehension of almost the entirety of the algorithm could lead to any possibility of events
(note that my word addition could be placed anywhere in the algorithm and does not have to be limited to a singular word)

All your beliefs in this world influence God in the ways He responds to you through nature. Everything that happens to you is based on the way God set things up for your life, and the way God responds to your faith in Him.

Just because you don't recognize that you have faith in Him just to remain alive, doesn't mean it isn't so.

Who can reach down into his own body cells, and look objectively at the structure of his own DNA? But even if someone could, then He would have to understand the programming to know the whole of himself objectively. And, if he did this, he just might find the structure of his basic subconscious thinking.

All of this goes back to God, Who structured it all in the beginning, in such ways that after countless cause-and-effect operations, you have intelligence and emotions and a body to live in.

In point, your free will is a faith-in-God thing. God looks at the strength and direction of your faith in Him, and moves the rest of the universe so that you are given life in the ways that you have it... even if He has to go back to the beginning and jiggle all C&E a little, because your free will faith changed dramatically at some point in time.

God is influence by your free will faith because He wants to be. Ultimately in your life, He will set your faith in stone, in the place where it exists, be it more in favor of Him, or less in favor of Him. This will happen at your death. Your faith position will affect your eternal destiny.

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March 08, 2020, 02:47:39 PM
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This guy BADecker must get off thinking about god. I bet he imagines jesus when he reaches climax.
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