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October 19, 2018, 09:05:56 PM
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And yes, the distinction is pretty subtile and the perception of witnesses true role is complex as you stated.

I think the consensus is more about the perception of who is honest or not than about the witnesses. Witnesses units are just milestones (and assistants to validate previous transactions as fast as possible) in the path until the genesis unit which allows normal nodes to selected the best/main chain.  

But, imo, you can't say "they are just milestones" when they are a key element. The referee of the match. The flow that makes transactions confirm and root them into reality. The path that all users follow to achieve finality of data they post.

Can you have a formal match without referee? No.

They are THE milestones.

Also I wanted to share another thing.

"well, we dont need to focus on tps because low usage...". But I see it differently:

Can be presented byteball to, for example, google, and ask them to be a witness, with a transaction platform which "only" achieves 15tps and clogs up at 20? NO.

Can be a good advertising the real tps amount after improvements? YES YES definitely yes.

These milestones are key elements for normal nodes due to their reputation of honesty and because they immune the network against some kinds of attacks. But pathes choose by normal nodes don't need to cross all the witnesses (majority is enough) and in fact they can be parallel until the main chain jonction. In worst case scenario, the jonction will occur only at the genesis unit.

It's hypothetical, and deserves Tony confirmation, but I think that it could be possible to have a formal match even without "referees" because the normal nodes will choose the best path, from their own point of view, until the genesis unit. Unfortunately, the path could be pretty long and could cross the path of bad players. That's why Tony introduced the witnesses concept as a shortcut until the genesis unit and to immune the network against attacks.

Well, TPS is a complex question. I don't think to be able to give you a good answer because I agree at same time with the previous answer and with your position. I can just hope to be myself working on an improvement ^_^;
  
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October 20, 2018, 09:41:42 AM
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wow nice pump today for gbyte on cryptox Shocked
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October 20, 2018, 02:59:22 PM
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wow nice pump today for gbyte on cryptox Shocked

Nothing special about it, most markets for 24h are in green.
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October 20, 2018, 06:26:23 PM
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October 20, 2018, 11:18:03 PM
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wow nice pump today for gbyte on cryptox Shocked

I am looking at it on Bittrex and there is a small 10% bump in price but nothing to be excited about. Currently the daily volume is only 6BTC so it basically means that the GBYTE market at the moment is very ill liquid.

I think until we break the 0.016 GBYTE/BTC rate then we are still in a bear market and we can still be making newer lows. Its unfortunate that we didn't get the Binance listing last month.
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October 21, 2018, 01:01:52 AM
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Wild witness wasting bytes appeared!
https://i.imgur.com/pt9JFMv.png

True, be an official witness requires a high reputation within the Byteball community and the chance to have your witness unit selected as lighthouse is very low to not say inexistant. But this point can't stop you to run your own witness node and to set it in your main wallet to be your own witness and have your transaction confirmed faster. And if your friends trust you, you can be their permuted witness. And more people trust you, more chances you have to see your witness unit selected as a milestone of the main chain and even give you the hope to be elected as official in future.
Would you trust any individual? I dont know who to trust, so I let the hub/network restrictions decide.


In plus, running a non-official witness node will create an alternate version of history that could save all the chain integrity in case of unfortunate behaviors by one or more witnesses.
All chain integrity could be harm by unfortunate behaviors by one or more witnesses??!?!? Really??

By the way, in my interpretation, the majority of witnesses means 6+1.
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Well, if you don't trust yourself barborrico, who can you trust ;-)

Honnest witnesses are here to warranty the chain integrity as lighthouses/milestones. And as I stated to pineapple express, bad behaviors can be detected by honnest witnesses. For instance, if dishonnest witnesses collude in an attempt to rewrite history, this foolish act will inevitabily generate orphan units and that breaks the chain integrity of these units until the genesis unit. Honnest witnesses will then select a parallel history to keep chain integrity.

Sorry barborrico and pinneapple express,

Small imprecision, it's not only honest witnesses that can detect bad behaviors and rupture of chain integrity but also normal nodes. So, normal nodes can change their path until older witness-authored units or worst until the genesis unit through alternate chains.
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October 21, 2018, 05:45:24 AM
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wow nice pump today for gbyte on cryptox Shocked

I am looking at it on Bittrex and there is a small 10% bump in price but nothing to be excited about. Currently the daily volume is only 6BTC so it basically means that the GBYTE market at the moment is very ill liquid.

I think until we break the 0.016 GBYTE/BTC rate then we are still in a bear market and we can still be making newer lows. Its unfortunate that we didn't get the Binance listing last month.

Speculators don't put money in a coin with an association to a bite gag. Even a listing on Binance does not change this.

Marketing is still miserable, but in the end it's what the gamblers are into, because you can hardly actually apply a project so far.
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wow nice pump today for gbyte on cryptox Shocked

I am looking at it on Bittrex and there is a small 10% bump in price but nothing to be excited about. Currently the daily volume is only 6BTC so it basically means that the GBYTE market at the moment is very ill liquid.

I think until we break the 0.016 GBYTE/BTC rate then we are still in a bear market and we can still be making newer lows. Its unfortunate that we didn't get the Binance listing last month.

Speculators don't put money in a coin with an association to a bite gag. Even a listing on Binance does not change this.

Marketing is still miserable, but in the end it's what the gamblers are into, because you can hardly actually apply a project so far.

Speculators put money where they want without care about immature opinions.

Your negativity is useless and most of your posts are irrelevants and irrespectuous.

Try at less to read carefully the whitepaper to avoid to look silly.
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October 21, 2018, 10:49:49 AM
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wow nice pump today for gbyte on cryptox Shocked

I am looking at it on Bittrex and there is a small 10% bump in price but nothing to be excited about. Currently the daily volume is only 6BTC so it basically means that the GBYTE market at the moment is very ill liquid.

I think until we break the 0.016 GBYTE/BTC rate then we are still in a bear market and we can still be making newer lows. Its unfortunate that we didn't get the Binance listing last month.

Speculators don't put money in a coin with an association to a bite gag. Even a listing on Binance does not change this.

Marketing is still miserable, but in the end it's what the gamblers are into, because you can hardly actually apply a project so far.

Speculators put money where they want without care about immature opinions.

Your negativity is useless and most of your posts are irrelevants and irrespectuous.

Try at less to read carefully the whitepaper to avoid to look silly.
People like you are responsible for falling demand.
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October 21, 2018, 01:30:39 PM
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Speculators don't put money in a coin with an association to a bite gag. Even a listing on Binance does not change this.

Marketing is still miserable, but in the end it's what the gamblers are into, because you can hardly actually apply a project so far.

Speculators put money where they want without care about immature opinions.

Your negativity is useless and most of your posts are irrelevants and irrespectuous.

Try at less to read carefully the whitepaper to avoid to look silly.
People like you are responsible for falling demand.

I agree with CryptoUnicornRider, the name of the project is exactly immature as you are, so if it is immature for most then it means that most speculators are immature.

There are many projects with horrible name, but it seems they have more mature speculators who don't spread FUD so much, because without getting yourself involved and just whining about stuff that are not done as you like makes the price more volatile and drops harder when everything goes down.

So thanks, FUDsters, you can be proud of managing to get GBYTE as low at it is with your constant whining. Yor greatest skill is whining.
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October 21, 2018, 03:38:17 PM
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Let's do some constructive criticism:

When a user attests their identity, there is a field called "ID number". Anyone would expect here the personal identifier issued by government. Instead, this ID is the card ID, so when the card is renewed it changes.

https://github.com/Jumio/implementation-guides/blob/master/netverify/netverify-retrieval-api.md

use personalNumber instead of number, which is using actually (line 95): https://github.com/byteball/real-name-attestation/blob/master/modules/jumio_api.js
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October 21, 2018, 04:15:52 PM
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Let's do some constructive criticism:

When a user attests their identity, there is a field called "ID number". Anyone would expect here the personal identifier issued by government. Instead, this ID is the card ID, so when the card is renewed it changes.

https://github.com/Jumio/implementation-guides/blob/master/netverify/netverify-retrieval-api.md

use personalNumber instead of number, which is using actually (line 95): https://github.com/byteball/real-name-attestation/blob/master/modules/jumio_api.js


This is true, but probably the reason for that is because not all passports have personal code on it, but all have document number.
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October 21, 2018, 04:33:25 PM
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Let's do some constructive criticism:

When a user attests their identity, there is a field called "ID number". Anyone would expect here the personal identifier issued by government. Instead, this ID is the card ID, so when the card is renewed it changes.

https://github.com/Jumio/implementation-guides/blob/master/netverify/netverify-retrieval-api.md

use personalNumber instead of number, which is using actually (line 95): https://github.com/byteball/real-name-attestation/blob/master/modules/jumio_api.js


This is true, but probably the reason for that is because not all passports have personal code on it, but all have document number.
Two options then:
- personalNumber?personalNumber:number;
- rename that field to Document ID and add Number ID if it exists.

I think this must be changed, because the reason of existence of this bot is to attest identities, not document cards. What do you think?
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October 21, 2018, 04:58:18 PM
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Let's do some constructive criticism:

When a user attests their identity, there is a field called "ID number". Anyone would expect here the personal identifier issued by government. Instead, this ID is the card ID, so when the card is renewed it changes.

https://github.com/Jumio/implementation-guides/blob/master/netverify/netverify-retrieval-api.md

use personalNumber instead of number, which is using actually (line 95): https://github.com/byteball/real-name-attestation/blob/master/modules/jumio_api.js


This is true, but probably the reason for that is because not all passports have personal code on it, but all have document number.
Two options then:
- personalNumber?personalNumber:number;
- rename that field to Document ID and add Number ID if it exists.

I think this must be changed, because the reason of existence of this bot is to attest identities, not document cards. What do you think?

It doesn't attest documents, it attest identities, but it just can't make sure that they are all unique. You can't do that also because some nations allow to have multiple citizenship.

It would be nice to have more info, but you can't rename existing fields because that would break backwards compatibility, so you could just add new extra fields, but this fields is problematic because it doesn't always exist.

Real name attestation can't become a way to make sure that all attested identities are unique because there will always be documents that doesn't have personal code. What it can do and what it does is that it proves that you are who you claim to be because your face matches with the document that you provided. Check-in to some hotel and you will see that nobody cares about your personal code, what they care about is document ID because it is always there. It is more important to be sure that the user is who they claim to be than the user is unique.

Same way when you are doing a KYC and have to provide some bill that is sent to your address, you are not attesting your address, nobody cares about your address, what you are attesting there is that you are living in a jurisdiction of the country that you claimed to be living.
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October 21, 2018, 05:00:51 PM
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Maybe this time the whole market will grow a little. At least the fact that the market is more often already green is nice to watch
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October 21, 2018, 06:46:15 PM
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Byteball big problems is lack of reputable witnesses, scalability, adoption, store of value. From my experience the most useless coin in the portfolio shows the best growth. That's why you need to buy as many gbytes as you can!
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October 21, 2018, 10:41:00 PM
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Byteball big problems is lack of reputable witnesses, scalability, adoption, store of value. From my experience the most useless coin in the portfolio shows the best growth. That's why you need to buy as many gbytes as you can!
I think you have a personality disorder. What happened to your FUD? Shouldn't I be selling all my coins on cryptox following your advice?

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October 22, 2018, 01:01:21 AM
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https://twitter.com/ByteballOrg/status/1053243171260588032
Cool

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October 22, 2018, 06:40:25 AM
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Byteball big problems is lack of reputable witnesses, scalability, adoption, store of value. From my experience the most useless coin in the portfolio shows the best growth. That's why you need to buy as many gbytes as you can!
I think you have a personality disorder. What happened to your FUD? Shouldn't I be selling all my coins on cryptox following your advice?
No no no it's time to buy bro
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October 22, 2018, 09:03:50 AM
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Some customers who are rather inexperienced with Cryptocurrencies buy Bitcoins. Why? Because it's easy.

Bitcoin is not attractive because it is technically better than other coins, but because you can USE this currency. That's why this coin is becoming increasingly popular, while bite ball and other projects are dependent on the greed of fugitive speculators, who certainly don't want to use these coins to pay for goods and services.

The compulsive effort to get bite ball among the people will certainly not contribute to its spread. On the contrary, everyone who gets the coins for free will either forget them, bet them or convert them into Fiat as soon as possible, because you can't do anything else with them.
And therefore the bite ball commuity remains small and insignificant... and probably dissolves more and more.
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