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November 07, 2018, 11:23:26 AM
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Writers wanted!

New Byteball contest: https://www.reddit.com/r/ByteBall/comments/9ud8j5/writers_wanted_new_byteball_contest/
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November 07, 2018, 11:52:50 AM
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https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/out-of-context

You quoted me by cutting out everything that explained why the rankings are meaningless because you wanted to make me look stupid. Let me explain you again: if the prices of almost all cryptocurrencies dropped over 90%, but also a lot of new cryptocurrencies were created during the bull-run then did Byteball dropped in rankings because it lost a lot more in price or because a lot new cryptocurrencies were created. That's why rankings are meaningless, because rank 51 and 52 itself doesn't tell you anything besides the order of marketcap size.

Oh come on bro, editing reply posts to make them more readable is standard practice on forums, don't be a dick

Your logic is flawed, I can find numerous examples of coins that have stayed in the top50 for years now,  despite all the new coins, BUT, during this same period byteball dropped approx 150 ranking places, and you say that is meaningless ... XMR, NEM, LTC, Dash are all still top20,  most next tier coins down to rank 50 are relatively stable in rankings too. Yes, prices have tanked for everything, but CMC rankings are quite stable especially the top50, despite all the new coins.

CMC ranking is an important metric, especially over time.

Your logic is ridiculous if it doesn't recognize a ranking drop of  approx 150 places is very meaningful,  some new projects struggle for recognition which explains their low rankings, BUT byteball was a top50 coin (not exactly sure what the highest rank BB achieved was), it was highly visible with lots of support, and then BB LOST it, people who liked Tony as a dev, and the tech itself have stopped supporting. That is clearly shown by the ranking drop of 150 places on CMC, and it's meaningful, despite all the obvious flaws with young crypto markets.

Trimming quotes is fine, if you don't take them out of context.

Of course there are coins that stayed in TOP50 for years, these are TOP20 coins you are talking about. The ranking there is less to change because marketcap is in billions. The further down the ranking list, the more meaningless the ranking becomes. There is huge difference if the coin is on 7th place or 8th place, there is little difference, if the coin is on 157th or 207th. TOP10 is stable now, it used to be that TOP5 was stable, even so that many index funds won't touch anything out of TOP5. TOP50 is not stable, many new coins shot up in there during bull-run.
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November 07, 2018, 11:57:05 AM
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Byteball is gonna eat all, whatever your call, you've proven wrong all day long.
Whats up hey what's up hoe coming here bitchin like we were foes.

Don't worry, don't hurry, it ain't gonna go any lowie.
So don't stress lower your tongue stretch people see a wretch.  Roll Eyes
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November 07, 2018, 12:10:39 PM
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Byteball is gonna eat all, whatever your call, you've proven wrong all day long.
Whats up hey what's up hoe coming here bitchin like we were foes.

Don't worry, don't hurry, it ain't gonna go any lowie.
So don't stress lower your tongue stretch people see a wretch.  Roll Eyes

Crypto is just game of believe if we have strong nervous system than it's easy for us to control over our emotions and stay calm down during panic situation. If we will keep strong believe than one day it will rock.

 
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November 07, 2018, 12:20:30 PM
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Byteball is gonna eat all, whatever your call, you've proven wrong all day long.
Whats up hey what's up hoe coming here bitchin like we were foes.

Don't worry, don't hurry, it ain't gonna go any lowie.
So don't stress lower your tongue stretch people see a wretch.  Roll Eyes

Crypto is just game of believe if we have strong nervous system than it's easy for us to control over our emotions and stay calm down during panic situation. If we will keep strong believe than one day it will rock.
In the right market segment it is already doing so today.
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November 07, 2018, 01:22:06 PM
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I'm guessing English is not your first language. Which could in part be why there is a slight communication loss. Not that is a criticism at all.
What communication loss? Wasn't it you who said that we should freeze Max Kordek (ceo of lisk) wallet? And then changed your story to voluntary staking idea. I think you have problems with English.

meanwhile Max Kordek ceo of lisk own the biggest byterbal individual wallet, and paid $0. Are you crazy tarmo888?
Let's take a vote to freeze that wallet, and any other huge wallets we know ico managers are holding


I see now that  it is a language barrier.

These are separate ideas and not related at all except for the word freeze.

Like my previous example you can not just grab 2 words from 2 different paragraphs and conflate them to mean the same thing.

Like

1. changing the rules in a way that is seen as negatively impacting investors without consultation...

is not the same as

2. changing the rules to benefit investors after full consultation.

You can't say because 1 destroyed trust that 2 would destroy trust also because there are the same words about changing rules in there.

There is no changing my story these are seperate ideas relating to seperate actions.


1. is the taking back an unfair amount of free coins given to someone on the basis of bitcoin that were not even theirs.

2. is relating to the distribution of the 22% remaining via a process that would resemble a tiered pos system with voluntary lockdown by real investors.

these are not mutually exclusive and not even really related.


Please do your best to understand and take time to think it over before replying.

After reading back through our discussion I can honestly say I believe you are confused and not deliberately trying to mislead people.

Can anyone else confirm this person really is a dev working for BB???

How do I know I am not being trolled here

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November 07, 2018, 02:11:52 PM
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I'm guessing English is not your first language. Which could in part be why there is a slight communication loss. Not that is a criticism at all.
What communication loss? Wasn't it you who said that we should freeze Max Kordek (ceo of lisk) wallet? And then changed your story to voluntary staking idea. I think you have problems with English.

meanwhile Max Kordek ceo of lisk own the biggest byterbal individual wallet, and paid $0. Are you crazy tarmo888?
Let's take a vote to freeze that wallet, and any other huge wallets we know ico managers are holding

I see now that  it is a language barrier.

1. is the taking back an unfair amount of free coins given to someone on the basis of bitcoin that were not even theirs.

How do I know I am not being trolled here


Do you understand that this is the main reason why Bitcoin was created (2008 bailout anybody?), so nobody could not take away something that you already have? This is not a language barrier, it is crazy to even suggest something like that like freezing somebody's account retro-actively. You are being trolling by yourself.
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November 07, 2018, 03:41:33 PM
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I'm guessing English is not your first language. Which could in part be why there is a slight communication loss. Not that is a criticism at all.
What communication loss? Wasn't it you who said that we should freeze Max Kordek (ceo of lisk) wallet? And then changed your story to voluntary staking idea. I think you have problems with English.

meanwhile Max Kordek ceo of lisk own the biggest byterbal individual wallet, and paid $0. Are you crazy tarmo888?
Let's take a vote to freeze that wallet, and any other huge wallets we know ico managers are holding

I see now that  it is a language barrier.

1. is the taking back an unfair amount of free coins given to someone on the basis of bitcoin that were not even theirs.

How do I know I am not being trolled here


Do you understand that this is the main reason why Bitcoin was created (2008 bailout anybody?), so nobody could not take away something that you already have? This is not a language barrier, it is crazy to even suggest something like that like freezing somebody's account retro-actively. You are being trolling by yourself.

You should really quote the entire post and put it all into context really.

Imagine if with bitcoin you could decide to turn off miners rewards  after they purchased machinery. 

Anyway fellow byteball fan. Let us not quibble over small matters like getting back huge proportions of the minting that were claimed for free under questionable means. However actually max seems okay and I think he could well decide to do something nice with the bytes so I wasn't actually singling him out. If I were these big ico managers with tons of free bytes I would have distributed them to my ico investors or actually just not claimed them in the first place.

Let's for now put that behind us if everyone thinks that is a bad idea.

Let's move forward and work together on things.

I'm actually one of the main promoters on the main board regarding byteball actually. You should be very pleased to have me onboard and not be instructing me to start my own fork off of byteball.

If I were community manager here I would have huge community behind byteball  by now. Obviously I would not have made some of the rash decisions that have been made without getting the community onboard first. But what is done is done we can still succeed if we all work together.

I'm ready.





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November 07, 2018, 04:53:08 PM
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Imagine if with bitcoin you could decide to turn off miners rewards  after they purchased machinery.  
This is not Bitcoin! I repeat, NOT A Bitcoin, not even a fork. There is no miners - no economy of scale. By linking your Bitcoin address to Byteball one, you did not need to buy any machinery.
Nobody is entitled for Byteball bytes and nothing is taken away from anybody if they don't get it. Goal of Byteball distribution is to be fair and as wide as possible, doesn't matter which distribution method archives that goal. If anybody thinks that they know how to have even fairer and wider distribution then ideas are welcome and if you are developer then you can apply for grant too to build that distribution method. If you are wondering why some kind of distribution methods have not implemented yet then there is probably reasons for that, it's pretty easy: just ask yourself, would that be fair and wide distribution? And then next one, does it bring any other value to platform after the distribution is over or is it just for sake of distribution.

I'm actually one of the main promoters on the main board regarding byteball actually. You should be very pleased to have me onboard and not be instructing me to start my own fork off of byteball.
All forks are welcome, it is not a bad thing, everybody wins (from more developers on similar tech).

If I were community manager here I would have huge community behind byteball  by now. Obviously I would not have made some of the rash decisions that have been made without getting the community onboard first. But what is done is done we can still succeed if we all work together.
Maybe you could be a great community manager, I do not know that, but I am skeptical about it if you consider locking somebody's funds retro-actively as viable solution for a cryptocurrency. Also, would help if you understood the differences of Bitcoin and Byteball. No miners is pretty obvious thing, which should be super difficult to miss.
I am also not aware if there is a position like that available, I am not running for that position, I am just fighting against the FUD that this Byteball announcements topic is full of.
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November 07, 2018, 05:00:58 PM
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Imagine if with bitcoin you could decide to turn off miners rewards  after they purchased machinery. 
This is not Bitcoin! I repeat, NOT A Bitcoin, not even close. There is no miners - no economy of scale. By linking your Bitcoin address to Byteball one, you did not need to buy any machinery.
Nobody is entitled for Byteball bytes and nothing is taken away from anybody if they don't get it. Goal of Byteball distribution is to be fair and as wide as possible, doesn't matter which distribution method archives that goal. If anybody thinks that they know how to have even fairer and wider distribution then ideas are welcome and if you are developer then you can apply for grant too to build that distribution method. If you are wondering why some kind of distribution methods have not implemented then there is probably reasons for that, it's pretty easy: just ask yourself, would that be fair and wide distribution?

I'm actually one of the main promoters on the main board regarding byteball actually. You should be very pleased to have me onboard and not be instructing me to start my own fork off of byteball.
All forks are welcome, it is not a bad thing, everybody wins.

If I were community manager here I would have huge community behind byteball  by now. Obviously I would not have made some of the rash decisions that have been made without getting the community onboard first. But what is done is done we can still succeed if we all work together.
Maybe you could be a great community manager, I do not know that, but I am skeptical about it if you consider locking somebody's funds as viable solution for a cryptocurrency. Also, would help if you understood the differences of Bitcoin and Byteball. No miners is pretty obvious thing, which should be super difficult to miss.
I am also not aware if there is a position like that available, I am not running for that position, I am just fighting against the FUD that this Byteball announcements topic is full of.

If you are doing what you believe is best for BB then that is good enough.

All will have different opinions on what is best. My opinion is simply to keep as many people happy as possible so we can build a strong community. I acknowledge opinions on deeper technical matters are not anything the community should concern themselves with unless they have a deep understanding of this technology.

Let's move forward and a pull this back to a more sensible MC in the top 50 at least.

I suspect there has been a long period of accumulation here.

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November 07, 2018, 05:19:04 PM
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how long does it usually take for the first confirmation?
10 minutes and still nothing.

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November 07, 2018, 05:30:34 PM
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how long does it usually take for the first confirmation?
10 minutes and still nothing.



Maybe your  wallet is out of sync. Try to click the area where your bytes are shown. It  triggers  synchronization.

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November 07, 2018, 05:32:15 PM
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how long does it usually take for the first confirmation?
10 minutes and still nothing.



Byteball is very fast, I once did a transaction sending to an exchange and it was finished in less than 5 minutes as I recall. Try to ask directly to the support center.
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November 07, 2018, 05:49:14 PM
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how long does it usually take for the first confirmation?
10 minutes and still nothing.



5-15 minutes to be confirmed and final.
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November 07, 2018, 06:09:03 PM
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Imagine if with bitcoin you could decide to turn off miners rewards  after they purchased machinery. 
This is not Bitcoin! I repeat, NOT A Bitcoin, not even close. There is no miners - no economy of scale. By linking your Bitcoin address to Byteball one, you did not need to buy any machinery.
Nobody is entitled for Byteball bytes and nothing is taken away from anybody if they don't get it. Goal of Byteball distribution is to be fair and as wide as possible, doesn't matter which distribution method archives that goal. If anybody thinks that they know how to have even fairer and wider distribution then ideas are welcome and if you are developer then you can apply for grant too to build that distribution method. If you are wondering why some kind of distribution methods have not implemented then there is probably reasons for that, it's pretty easy: just ask yourself, would that be fair and wide distribution?

I'm actually one of the main promoters on the main board regarding byteball actually. You should be very pleased to have me onboard and not be instructing me to start my own fork off of byteball.
All forks are welcome, it is not a bad thing, everybody wins.

If I were community manager here I would have huge community behind byteball  by now. Obviously I would not have made some of the rash decisions that have been made without getting the community onboard first. But what is done is done we can still succeed if we all work together.
Maybe you could be a great community manager, I do not know that, but I am skeptical about it if you consider locking somebody's funds as viable solution for a cryptocurrency. Also, would help if you understood the differences of Bitcoin and Byteball. No miners is pretty obvious thing, which should be super difficult to miss.
I am also not aware if there is a position like that available, I am not running for that position, I am just fighting against the FUD that this Byteball announcements topic is full of.

Let's move forward and a pull this back to a more sensible MC in the top 50 at least.

Donate the remaining 22% to UNICEF and focus on the current needs.

Distribution, adoption and circulation will then happen on their own, and as a result, the value of the project and the price of the coins will increase.

More suggestions?
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November 07, 2018, 06:42:14 PM
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Donate the remaining 22% to UNICEF and focus on the current needs.

Distribution, adoption and circulation will then happen on their own, and as a result, the value of the project and the price of the coins will increase.

More suggestions?


1) fair
2) wide
3) not just a distribution

And in what sense does that distribution method tick any of the boxes above, if everything goes just from one entity to another? it's just changes hands who will have a control over 22% of the marketcap.

For example, all kind of attestation methods (not just KYC) have some kind of cost, so it helps if there are funds now that let users do those attestation without cost and even get rewarded. Having users who have attested something about themselves helps other bot builders to build services that use that info without having to worry about how to build the onboarding proccess if they need to ask tons of info about the users.

For example, if you want to start selling airplane tickets with Byteball bots (and also flight insurance as extra) then at the moment, you have all the features you need to build that. You don't have to ask the users to go find their passport and type in their passport details and you can offer them insurance on Byteball DAG. Also, you can be sure that the details that they gave you from their private profile are correct without any typos, because it has been verified by Jumio.

I understand that you are against KYC, but every attestation method helps
* distribute the funds as rewards and attract new users with that.
* add more value to Byteball platform as features that other bot developers could use.

And KYC helps that it's fair, same person will not be rewarded twice. Only thing left is find more methods that are even more wider, all over the world.
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November 07, 2018, 07:07:48 PM
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The emperor allows the people to speak to him.
We are all very deeply touched and kiss his feet in thanksgiving. ... Thank you... thank you.  Kiss

https://twitter.com/ByteballOrg/status/1060222615510487041
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November 08, 2018, 11:24:35 AM
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All will have different opinions on what is best. My opinion is simply to keep as many people happy as possible so we can build a strong community.

Hmmm...


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I like the idea. I will see later how to do a bytes tipbot for slack
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November 08, 2018, 11:56:52 AM
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All will have different opinions on what is best. My opinion is simply to keep as many people happy as possible so we can build a strong community.

Hmmm...


Undecided I never heard the answer to my question, * * * Don't you like the idea of integrating into discord or Slark?

I like the idea. I will see later how to do a bytes tipbot for slack


Whilst that pic of you is very fetching- - I think it displays the fact that you don't fully understand building a united and strong community is needed to gain traction.

There are several types of leadership the most successful form through keeping the majority happy.

If you are a leader and believe your way is really the best way forward then thorough debate can only reinforce this in the minds of the community and once they understand they will help you not fight against it.






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