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November 04, 2018, 10:03:49 AM
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Ask your neighborhood why they are not interested in Cryptos and analyze the reactions.

You should also remember to ask your neighbothood what they think about crypto once the financial market will have crashed worse than 2008 - as it surely will, and they will have lost their beloved FIAT money. I see many people now saying Byteball (as all of crypto) have no real world use. That's quite true... for now. But don't forget why Bitcoin was allegedly created in the first place: to create a form of money which would not disappear by magic as FIAT money DID disappear and in big quantities in 2008.
We're now just setting the foundations for the future. And compared to other coins Byteball's tech is outstanding in this process.
Who exactly is the bite balls target group?
Mine, i.e. the producer and trader at least not. As a result, not the consumers either.

My customers pay with Bitcoin. The customers of others especially with Monero. The latter in particular is becoming increasingly important. Monero has the highest turnover on BISQ.

When Fiat crashes also the regulated markets crash.
The already exponentially growing unregulated market will then gain enormous popularity and correspondingly the currencies that dominate this market, mainly because there is an infrastructure for it.

So who should be interested in bite ball?


We will see. No real predictions can be made for the day FIAT will crash. We'll then enter a stage of extreme chaos and therefore total unpredictibility. It's reasonable to think that the easiest to use coins will at that point eventually get sudden adoption by those unable to deal with more complicate coins and thrive. I find Byteball one of the most easy to use around, even though that aspect still can improved.
This consideration has more to do with religion (hope and believe) than with facts.
Depending on the wallet, the use of Bitcoin may not be more complicated. - But here there are clear, prominent features:
They trade Fiat directly for Bitcoin. Why? Because it is possible.
You exchange Bitcoin for goods and services. Why? Because there is a growing infrastructure for it.

None of this can be offered by bite ball. Worse still: The bite ball regime has so far consistently ignored the naming of both factors. Rather one deals there with the development of useless nonsense.

Consequence: Although technically better it will undoubtedly sink in the flood of other Altcoins, simply because the benefit is missing or cannot be convincingly conveyed. The demand is missing, and with a dumb distribution policy it is not increased either.
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November 04, 2018, 10:46:51 AM
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Only difference is that Byteball tries to distribute it fairly, but Bitcoin basically distributes to those already rich guys who have the most computing power.
Is it not fair that the person who made risky investments in mining made the right bet and is now rich, while the average tarmo888 spent his savings on cakes, apartment renovation, a deposit in a bank and now he envies to miners? Are you one of those communists who believe that justice is when a lazy idiot and a talented entrepreneur own an equal share of wealth?
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This consideration has more to do with religion (hope and believe) than with facts.
Depending on the wallet, the use of Bitcoin may not be more complicated. - But here there are clear, prominent features:
They trade Fiat directly for Bitcoin. Why? Because it is possible.
You exchange Bitcoin for goods and services. Why? Because there is a growing infrastructure for it.

None of this can be offered by bite ball. Worse still: The bite ball regime has so far consistently ignored the naming of both factors. Rather one deals there with the development of useless nonsense.

Consequence: Although technically better it will undoubtedly sink in the flood of other Altcoins, simply because the benefit is missing or cannot be convincingly conveyed. The demand is missing, and with a dumb distribution policy it is not increased either.
that's all right, bitcoin have the biggest infrastructure and the most famous.
but maybe is not for all time. You know the story of netscape, lycos, yahoo, altabista, fireball and co?
The infrastructure is very fast change to a other coin.
If tomorrow litecoin is the favorite for all, how much time they need to change?

Something bothers me:
You are right in many points, but he depends on the tone.
You say we are not enough objectively and you use words like "The bite ball regime", why?

Come on, we discuss factually. Criticism is important, but your point of view all altcoins are shit.
If Byteball have the same growing infrastructure, who win the race? (just a mind game)
With Litecoin, Ethereum, Monero whatever the same, DOGE too  Wink

*Indeed the bitcoin lightning network kill in the future many alts.

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November 04, 2018, 11:21:45 AM
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Only difference is that Byteball tries to distribute it fairly, but Bitcoin basically distributes to those already rich guys who have the most computing power.
Is it not fair that the person who made risky investments in mining made the right bet and is now rich, while the average tarmo888 spent his savings on cakes, apartment renovation, a deposit in a bank and now he envies to miners? Are you one of those communists who believe that justice is when a lazy idiot and a talented entrepreneur own an equal share of wealth?

I don't envy miners because I wouldn't want to be one. I am talking about what is the goal of Byteball distribution, which is fair distribution and mass adoption - as many as possible should get some bytes. You are confusing Byteball with lottery where the ones who risked the most might win the most.

And Google communism, you don't understand what is communism, you use that word just to offend other people. Communism is not about lazy idiot and a tallented entrepreneur having equal share of wealth. Maybe you will learn something about socialism too, but Byteball is not socialism either - Byteball distribution is not a redistribution of wealth, it is just initial distribution of coins, to get this thing started.

Also, Google a word "fair", it means "treating people equally without favouritism or discrimination", so only one distribution method is not fair. To be fair, there needs to be as many as possible distribution methods. Also, distributing to early Bitcoin holders is not fair because they got those long time ago when the price was much cheaper. Basically, distributing to Bitcoin holders limits the number of people who could get the bytes and rewards heavenly very early Bitcoin investors.

It is kind of amazing that this is still not understood, even when almost a year has past, everybody just thinks about their own ass, how to acquire as many bytes as possible.
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November 04, 2018, 12:17:50 PM
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You are right in many points, but he depends on the tone.
You say we are not enough objectively and you use words like "The bite ball regime", why?
Because here you can't get any further with friendliness.
The demands, which I repeat from the view of a manufacturer and trader here in every second posting are now more than a year old and are arrogantly ignored. That means you don't even get an answer to your objections, not even by email.
Now I am, considering the unnecessary omissions, just angry.

Since I am probably the only trader here with corresponding needs, I feel like a caller in the desert. The other critics rather complain about points that don't affect me and my colleagues so much.
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November 04, 2018, 01:13:06 PM
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Maybe you don't see a Byteball community managers here on Bitcointalk because they find it hopeless to have any serious discussions here, where everybody just shouts out their opinions how things should be done, over and over again. It could be also because Bitcointalk lacks proper moderation like Reddit has.



just shouts opinions of how things should be done??

1. the full moon airdrops were what many investors based their investment on. Asking them to continue as promised is not shouting opinions like shouting out random uneducated requests regarding technical matters beyond their understanding. This has destroyed faith in the project.

2. saying don't knowing give HUGE amounts of the entire minting to ico managers from competing projects - same as above

3. noticing swathes of noobs in threads everywhere calling byteball expensive and iota cheap is again simply an observation.

Don't try to claim that reasonable,sensible and logical statements/requests are nothing other that people and screaming random opinions with no foundations worth a debate.

the fact you would try to call them fud is even more amusing.

Go fork your own project is not what you say to a community after receiving their support for years.

The fact someone gave you a merit for such a reply is a demonstration of person lacking basic understanding of english. You can not merit someone for posting totally false and misleading nonsense.

There are many projects with very good community managers and board managers. The fact they can get along with bitcointalk but you can not - - then perhaps you should look at yourselves not point fingers at a dissatisfied community.

I notice the only projects that start complaining about the behaviour of their communities on bitcointalk are those that follow the same pattern of changing the rules half way through and not listening at all to feedback from the community.








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In reality, 67% of bytes has been already distributed (most of that to Bitcoin holders). 1% goes to founder and 10% to Byteball Foundation (development and marketing) - this makes that 22% is still left to distribute. It is not that much and it is not that different than Bitcoin. Only difference is that Byteball tries to distribute it fairly, but Bitcoin basically distributes to those already rich guys who have the most computing power.



Look the fact you said this shows me I am dealing with a completely insane individual.

Byteball gave the vast majority of Byteball to the ALREADY RICHEST GUYS THE GUYS THAT HAD ALREADY THE MOST BITCOINS. The tiny % left is not going to change that.

I am not trying to destroy the price of byteball. I own a lot of byteball.

The suggestions I have ever made are for the good of byteball. To try a pass them as fud is complete insanity.

Let's forget the issue with the distribution it is over and we can not change it.

Let's forget the issue with lying to byteball investors about full moon airdrops. It is done.

Let's consider changing the units on exchanges to megabytes before the next bull run and next wave of noobs telling us byteball is too expensive and we will buy cheaper iota.


Let's try and consider and debate in a sensible way any future suggestions from the community that seem logical and are favoured by a proportion of the community and not just ignore them.

I am confident in this project pulling a x20 -x50 if we can make a few small changes and improvments.

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this makes that 22% is still left to distribute. Only difference is that Byteball tries to distribute it fairly, but Bitcoin basically distributes to those already rich guys who have the most computing power.
meanwhile Max Kordek ceo of lisk own the biggest individual byterbal wallet Cheesy
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November 04, 2018, 01:48:05 PM
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this makes that 22% is still left to distribute. Only difference is that Byteball tries to distribute it fairly, but Bitcoin basically distributes to those already rich guys who have the most computing power.
meanwhile Max Kordek ceo of lisk own the biggest byterbal individual wallet, and paid $0. Are you crazy tarmo888?


Let's take a vote to freeze that wallet, and any other huge wallets we know ico managers are holding.

Sure going back on the rules is something we have done before that affected lots of small investors was not cool so going back on the rules to rectify a huge mistake will soon blow over.

I could have linked much more btc to get free byteballs but only linked a tiny amount to not be greedy. Others had no such worries. You can not rely on peoples sense of fair play. They just take the max they can.

Anyway let's all try to get along and not let infighting destroy the community further.

Just in future let's debate any sensible requests from the community that gets some traction with others here.

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November 04, 2018, 01:54:05 PM
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Not to beat a dead house, but this whole emphasis on "fair distribution" by tarmo and shit talking about Bitcoin is laughable.

You know what's not fair? Announcing a distribution schedule and mechanism, then pulling the rug out from under it two or three times - first cancelling BTC air drops, then delaying Bytes drops, and finally abandoning the original distribution mechanism completely.

You know what else isn't fair? Dribbling out coins to people that have access to shit loads of crappy CPUs (WCG) and account farmers on steem. That's really unfair to me as I only have like five computing devices and think steem is a swamp of shit tier content born out of a scam.

You know what is fair? Announcing a distribution mechanism and schedule and standing by it like it's etched in stone. In ten years Bitcoin hasn't changed its mechanism or schedule at all. You think it would be more "fair" to halt mining and pass out remaining BTC to WCG bot nets and steem lords?
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yeah steem distribution is the apogee of the byterbal madness. Honestly, i won't be surprised if these madmen will close this topic and create a moderated one. This is the only place where these sectarians cannot drown out the voice of the community. LOL they wrote more than a dozen complaints about my posts in the hope that they would ban me.



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this makes that 22% is still left to distribute. Only difference is that Byteball tries to distribute it fairly, but Bitcoin basically distributes to those already rich guys who have the most computing power.
meanwhile Max Kordek ceo of lisk own the biggest byterbal individual wallet, and paid $0. Are you crazy tarmo888?


Let's take a vote to freeze that wallet, and any other huge wallets we know ico managers are holding.


Cheesy And I am the crazy one here? Smiley Maybe let's take a vote to freeze your wallet?

The fact that you suggest something insane like that confirms that you have zero idea what cryptocurrencies are for and how Byteball works Cheesy

Just a hint, you can't sensor transactions on Byteball, it would be possible only if majority of the witnesses would collude, but it will go against the protocol rules and it would be visible for everybody and would result in hard-fork.

On Bitcoin, in theory, you could do it, just need to have enough computing power and you can decide, which transactions get added to block.
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I contacted Sasha Ivanov, founder of Waves, about the linked address 1NGfrU4YNp8dox1gLeUDyjD5Vpfck9no5j that has 4800 BTC from Waves ICO.  His response was that if the project is successful, he is going to distribute our coin as dividend to Waves holders.

So, even the largest (so far) whale in our distribution is a kind of collective investment entity.

What people say and what people do are sometimes not the same thing.

Should have been nulled like the other huge wallets. Project is destroyed before it starts. The enriching the richest automatically does not go over well with most of the crypto community.


This one just popped up while I was finishing mine:
XCQ3LC6BSRGLPKC6LDQBTHZBKHLGIS5B   3HsSR84zReeBt5fTMESWJ2y18pMo5gz2Sq   12295.96991428     20.5916     tx

12.2k BTC  Shocked

At the moment going to get 20% of distribution.

Yeah nice hey .... will be able to manipulate the market at will. NULL these whales now and save the project or let it go ahead as a non starter.

I guarantee this project will be a pariah.

Everyone should have put more pressure on tonych to make the distribution fairer from the start. I am the only person that has put any kind of sustained pressure on him and he refuses to even enter the discussion choosing to avoid the questions and rather focus on discussing the tech. Browse this entire thread its full of people praising this distributional model thinking they are getting something for free. You are getting zero for free if you hold other alts. This is a dilution coin that will be controlled by BTC whales and exchanges. Both of whom will get richer by making you get poorer than you already are.

The tech will be cloned and distributed in a more fair manner you can guarantee this.

This coin is merely an experiment by BTC whales to see if they can guarantee whale share in all future altcoin markets without risking their whale BTC stash.

The only people praising this form of distribution should be those with at the minimum of 100 BTC at hand  since they will gain over and over by distributional models like this. I do not support this model although I assume that I would stand to gain substantially more than many of those that do support it if I linked all of my BTC.

This is simply not a fair manner of distribution and I hope the project does not become a success at all. Sorry but although the tech looks great and tonych seems not a bad guy we can not have waves of alts distributing like this in future it is simply the most unfair model you can nearly design.
Great example of great communication from the first days. Nice to reread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1608859.2180
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November 04, 2018, 02:51:59 PM
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Not to beat a dead house, but this whole emphasis on "fair distribution" by tarmo and shit talking about Bitcoin is laughable.

You know what's not fair? Announcing a distribution schedule and mechanism, then pulling the rug out from under it two or three times - first cancelling BTC air drops, then delaying Bytes drops, and finally abandoning the original distribution mechanism completely.

You know what else isn't fair? Dribbling out coins to people that have access to shit loads of crappy CPUs (WCG) and account farmers on steem. That's really unfair to me as I only have like five computing devices and think steem is a swamp of shit tier content born out of a scam.

You know what is fair? Announcing a distribution mechanism and schedule and standing by it like it's etched in stone. In ten years Bitcoin hasn't changed its mechanism or schedule at all. You think it would be more "fair" to halt mining and pass out remaining BTC to WCG bot nets and steem lords?

Another one who doesn't know what fair means. Nobody is entitled to get the bytes and if distribution doesn't work then it needs to be fixed, not just continue with a broken one. Bitcoin is laughable, was designed to be decentralized currency, but thanks to a broken distribution system, becomes more centralized with every day. Byteball is moving in other direction, started as centralized and becomes more decentralized every day.
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this makes that 22% is still left to distribute. Only difference is that Byteball tries to distribute it fairly, but Bitcoin basically distributes to those already rich guys who have the most computing power.
meanwhile Max Kordek ceo of lisk own the biggest byterbal individual wallet, and paid $0. Are you crazy tarmo888?


Let's take a vote to freeze that wallet, and any other huge wallets we know ico managers are holding.


Cheesy And I am the crazy one here? Smiley Maybe let's take a vote to freeze your wallet?

The fact that you suggest something insane like that confirms that you have zero idea what cryptocurrencies are for and how Byteball works Cheesy

Just a hint, you can't sensor transactions on Byteball, it would be possible only if majority of the witnesses would collude, but it will go against the protocol rules and it would be visible for everybody and would result in hard-fork.

On Bitcoin, in theory, you could do it, just need to have enough computing power and you can decide, which transactions get added to block.

Look now,  it's better to admit you just hammer away on your keyboard without giving much thought to what you are writing. That is better than sticking to and try to defending the obviously insane ramblings that are there for anyone to laugh at. The fact you are unable to see why that paragraph is shocking is very worrying.

Let us hope your are "developing" the logo or something non critical that can be altered fairly easily.

To freeze genuine investors who purchased byteball on the open market ( i have purchased 10x more than i got for linking a small amount of btc) is not the same as freezing a HUGE amount of the total byteball that was given for FREE to a competing project manager for the bitcoin of others he was holding for the apparent development of his own competing project.

Tony did not allow this by accident. He was totally aware that competing project managers would link the dev fund wallets and suck up huge swathes of the total byteball minting because we brought it up before it went live.

At this time would it really be difficult for tony to collude with his 11 other personalities? especially if it was what that was what the community wanted.

I don't actually think it would be a great idea since we need to not pull any moves that crush the trust more for byteball. It would just be another change that should not happen.

It would be great to consult the community on big changes like stopping full moon air drops and such. These kinds of decisions are actually better made with vast agreement since otherwise the community loses faith.

I think it is better than tonych does not allow you to post further because your posts seem to confirm the suspicions of the remaining community: that the devs here believe a community should just be ready for any kinds of 180 changes whether good or bad for them regardless of what has been promised. Also the community should not question or raise any debate because only devs have the right to an opinion. Any complaints about not keeping to agreements is whining and fud.

I would keep "developing" the logo and get a new spokes person for byteball if you want any chance of gaining some traction.

I understand on deeper technical matters the community must not expect to have too much input. Although some decisions could be explained if people ask. However on simple matters that I have mentioned already there is no need for the communities opinions to be totally excluded.

Now stop replying to me unless you have something new to add. I can't waste time restating the obvious over and over and asking what is only reasonable and a given in most communities. You want a community to bring you a network effect then you need to treat the community (your investors) with some respect.

Regarding the 20-50x - That is depending on many factors but it is realistic for this to eventually become a top 20 project if a few things can be sorted out.





















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November 04, 2018, 07:54:19 PM
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this makes that 22% is still left to distribute. Only difference is that Byteball tries to distribute it fairly, but Bitcoin basically distributes to those already rich guys who have the most computing power.
meanwhile Max Kordek ceo of lisk own the biggest byterbal individual wallet, and paid $0. Are you crazy tarmo888?


Let's take a vote to freeze that wallet, and any other huge wallets we know ico managers are holding.


Cheesy And I am the crazy one here? Smiley Maybe let's take a vote to freeze your wallet?

The fact that you suggest something insane like that confirms that you have zero idea what cryptocurrencies are for and how Byteball works Cheesy

Just a hint, you can't sensor transactions on Byteball, it would be possible only if majority of the witnesses would collude, but it will go against the protocol rules and it would be visible for everybody and would result in hard-fork.

On Bitcoin, in theory, you could do it, just need to have enough computing power and you can decide, which transactions get added to block.

Look now,  it's better to admit you just hammer away on your keyboard without giving much thought to what you are writing. That is better than sticking to and try to defending the obviously insane ramblings that are there for anyone to laugh at. The fact you are unable to see why that paragraph is shocking is very worrying.

Let us hope your are "developing" the logo or something non critical that can be altered fairly easily.

To freeze genuine investors who purchased byteball on the open market ( i have purchased 10x more than i got for linking a small amount of btc) is not the same as freezing a HUGE amount of the total byteball that was given for FREE to a competing project manager for the bitcoin of others he was holding for the apparent development of his own competing project.

Tony did not allow this by accident. He was totally aware that competing project managers would link the dev fund wallets and suck up huge swathes of the total byteball minting because we brought it up before it went live.

At this time would it really be difficult for tony to collude with his 11 other personalities? especially if it was what that was what the community wanted.

I don't actually think it would be a great idea since we need to not pull any moves that crush the trust more for byteball. It would just be another change that should not happen.

It would be great to consult the community on big changes like stopping full moon air drops and such. These kinds of decisions are actually better made with vast agreement since otherwise the community loses faith.

I think it is better than tonych does not allow you to post further because your posts seem to confirm the suspicions of the remaining community: that the devs here believe a community should just be ready for any kinds of 180 changes whether good or bad for them regardless of what has been promised. Also the community should not question or raise any debate because only devs have the right to an opinion. Any complaints about not keeping to agreements is whining and fud.

I would keep "developing" the logo and get a new spokes person for byteball if you want any chance of gaining some traction.

I understand on deeper technical matters the community must not expect to have too much input. Although some decisions could be explained if people ask. However on simple matters that I have mentioned already there is no need for the communities opinions to be totally excluded.

Now stop replying to me unless you have something new to add. I can't waste time restating the obvious over and over and asking what is only reasonable and a given in most communities. You want a community to bring you a network effect then you need to treat the community (your investors) with some respect.

Regarding the 20-50x - That is depending on many factors but it is realistic for this to eventually become a top 20 project if a few things can be sorted out.

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this makes that 22% is still left to distribute. Only difference is that Byteball tries to distribute it fairly, but Bitcoin basically distributes to those already rich guys who have the most computing power.


22% of coin supply distributed as a final new year moon drop, then Tony exits into the background to enjoy his hard-earned 1% and concentrate on dev work, leaving foundation to assist community members in further promotion activities and spreading adoption. That would put byteball back in top50 almost immediately!
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this makes that 22% is still left to distribute. Only difference is that Byteball tries to distribute it fairly, but Bitcoin basically distributes to those already rich guys who have the most computing power.


22% of coin supply distributed as a final new year moon drop, then Tony exits into the background to enjoy his hard-earned 1% and concentrate on dev work, leaving foundation to assist community members in further promotion activities and spreading adoption. That would put byteball back in top50 almost immediately!

And then what? Moon drops are over, already over half were distributed like that, if they waste the rest of 22% by giving it away like that then they don't have funds to reward newcommers anymore. Everybody suggesting more moon drop like distribution are thinking about getting themselves richer, not about mass adoption, which is the goal. What's the point of having more bytes if there is no users. That's why Bitcoin doesn't distribute everything at once either, but it's distributed over 100 years.
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this makes that 22% is still left to distribute. Only difference is that Byteball tries to distribute it fairly, but Bitcoin basically distributes to those already rich guys who have the most computing power.


22% of coin supply distributed as a final new year moon drop, then Tony exits into the background to enjoy his hard-earned 1% and concentrate on dev work, leaving foundation to assist community members in further promotion activities and spreading adoption. That would put byteball back in top50 almost immediately!

And then what? Moon drops are over, already over half were distributed like that, if they waste the rest of 22% by giving it away like that then they don't have funds to reward newcommers anymore. Everybody suggesting more moon drop like distribution are thinking about getting themselves richer, not about mass adoption, which is the goal. What's the point of having more bytes if there is no users. That's why Bitcoin doesn't distribute everything at once either, but it's distributed over 100 years.
distribution to steem shitposters doesn't help to adoption. Show me merchants who joined after steem or wcg distribution. (Sigh) 99% of the merchants joined in time of bitcoin distribution. Milano enthusiast joined with help a bitcoin distribution.
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this makes that 22% is still left to distribute. Only difference is that Byteball tries to distribute it fairly, but Bitcoin basically distributes to those already rich guys who have the most computing power.


22% of coin supply distributed as a final new year moon drop, then Tony exits into the background to enjoy his hard-earned 1% and concentrate on dev work, leaving foundation to assist community members in further promotion activities and spreading adoption. That would put byteball back in top50 almost immediately!

And then what? Moon drops are over, already over half were distributed like that, if they waste the rest of 22% by giving it away like that then they don't have funds to reward newcommers anymore. Everybody suggesting more moon drop like distribution are thinking about getting themselves richer, not about mass adoption, which is the goal. What's the point of having more bytes if there is no users. That's why Bitcoin doesn't distribute everything at once either, but it's distributed over 100 years.
distribution to steem shitposters doesn't help to adoption. Show me merchants who joined after steem or wcg distribution. (Sigh) 99% of the merchants joined in time of bitcoin distribution. Milano enthusiast joined with help a bitcoin distribution.
Your team is the anchor around byterbal neck.

Steem and WCG distributions are so small compared to how much was wasted with moon drops. So, where are those HODLers now? Are they still using Byteball? Do they still have bytes or they just sold them to buy more BTC, so they could get more bytes with next moon drop, so they could sell it to buy more BTC again, and so on. Bitcoin distribution didn't work and that's why it was discontinued. Better distribution methods are available now, which engage unique users and distribution will take lot more time, which is better (for mass adoption) in long run.
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