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November 07, 2018, 06:42:14 PM
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Donate the remaining 22% to UNICEF and focus on the current needs.

Distribution, adoption and circulation will then happen on their own, and as a result, the value of the project and the price of the coins will increase.

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1) fair
2) wide
3) not just a distribution

And in what sense does that distribution method tick any of the boxes above, if everything goes just from one entity to another? it's just changes hands who will have a control over 22% of the marketcap.

For example, all kind of attestation methods (not just KYC) have some kind of cost, so it helps if there are funds now that let users do those attestation without cost and even get rewarded. Having users who have attested something about themselves helps other bot builders to build services that use that info without having to worry about how to build the onboarding proccess if they need to ask tons of info about the users.

For example, if you want to start selling airplane tickets with Byteball bots (and also flight insurance as extra) then at the moment, you have all the features you need to build that. You don't have to ask the users to go find their passport and type in their passport details and you can offer them insurance on Byteball DAG. Also, you can be sure that the details that they gave you from their private profile are correct without any typos, because it has been verified by Jumio.

I understand that you are against KYC, but every attestation method helps
* distribute the funds as rewards and attract new users with that.
* add more value to Byteball platform as features that other bot developers could use.

And KYC helps that it's fair, same person will not be rewarded twice. Only thing left is find more methods that are even more wider, all over the world.
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November 07, 2018, 07:07:48 PM
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The emperor allows the people to speak to him.
We are all very deeply touched and kiss his feet in thanksgiving. ... Thank you... thank you.  Kiss

https://twitter.com/ByteballOrg/status/1060222615510487041
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November 08, 2018, 02:24:44 AM
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 Undecided I never heard the answer to my question, * * * Don't you like the idea of integrating into discord or Slark?
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November 08, 2018, 11:24:35 AM
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All will have different opinions on what is best. My opinion is simply to keep as many people happy as possible so we can build a strong community.

Hmmm...


Undecided I never heard the answer to my question, * * * Don't you like the idea of integrating into discord or Slark?

I like the idea. I will see later how to do a bytes tipbot for slack

Let there be light!
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November 08, 2018, 11:56:52 AM
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All will have different opinions on what is best. My opinion is simply to keep as many people happy as possible so we can build a strong community.

Hmmm...


Undecided I never heard the answer to my question, * * * Don't you like the idea of integrating into discord or Slark?

I like the idea. I will see later how to do a bytes tipbot for slack


Whilst that pic of you is very fetching- - I think it displays the fact that you don't fully understand building a united and strong community is needed to gain traction.

There are several types of leadership the most successful form through keeping the majority happy.

If you are a leader and believe your way is really the best way forward then thorough debate can only reinforce this in the minds of the community and once they understand they will help you not fight against it.






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November 08, 2018, 12:23:24 PM
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A product with benefits makes everyone happy, bite ball doesn't even make speculators happy anymore.

Twitter celebrates a service that bites wants to accept:
https://twitter.com/ByteballOrg/status/1060456412986400769

This is an absolute breakthrough. The bite ball project is saved.
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November 08, 2018, 12:54:05 PM
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Experienced again today.
Cryptos are not simple to convey if there is no possibility to change Fiat easily into Coins. And "easily" means: implemented in the app.
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November 08, 2018, 03:05:53 PM
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I'm interested in getting into the identity verification issue, so as to be able to send vouchers to friends. However, there are a few things I'd like to understand first on that topic.
This is the medium post which has introduced the subject in January 2018:

https://medium.com/byteball/bringing-identity-to-crypto-b35964feee8e

Someone below the article is asking : "Can I have several accounts with the same identity?" and the answer is "yes". But I didn't understand exactly how that would work.

Let's say I'd like to create a wallet with a "public" profile, ie linked to my identity, in the app on my laptop. Later I'd decide to "extend" my identity also to a wallet I'm having on my mobile phone and/or to a multisig wallet on my PCs. How exactly would I have to do?

And another question: If I'm creating a wallet with little funds inside an app where is already another (main) wallet of mine with all my funds (which for obvious reasons I'd like to keep private) - would it be possible to connect my identity just to the wallet with the little funds while keeping full privacy over the other wallet(s) which are in the same app? If yes, what should I especially pay attention to?

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November 08, 2018, 03:35:09 PM
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I'm interested in getting into the identity verification issue, so as to be able to send vouchers to friends. However, there are a few things I'd like to understand first on that topic.
This is the medium post which has introduced the subject in January 2018:

https://medium.com/byteball/bringing-identity-to-crypto-b35964feee8e

Someone below the article is asking : "Can I have several accounts with the same identity?" and the answer is "yes". But I didn't understand exactly how that would work.

Let's say I'd like to create a wallet with a "public" profile, ie linked to my identity, in the app on my laptop. Later I'd decide to "extend" my identity also to a wallet I'm having on my mobile phone and/or to a multisig wallet on my PCs. How exactly would I have to do?

And another question: If I'm creating a wallet with little funds inside an app where is already another (main) wallet of mine with all my funds (which for obvious reasons I'd like to keep private) - would it be possible to connect my identity just to the wallet with the little funds while keeping full privacy over the other wallet(s) which are in the same app? If yes, what should I especially pay attention to?

If the bot asks you do share your private profile from your wallet (that's where your data is saved, there is no public profile, DAG only has hash), you can share any data from your private profile with that bot and the bot can verify if the Real Name Attestor has posted a hash about it, so the data is not manipulated.

Attested addresses need to be single-address wallets, so I think you can create as many single-address wallets on as many devices and attest them again, I haven't tried it though.

Probably not great to have all your funds on single-address wallet, which is created by default as a first wallet since this January. You get little bit more privacy if you have your funds on wallets that are not single-address wallets (wallets that generate new change addresses). If you move the funds out of that single-address wallet and then attest it publicly (email or steem attestation) then it will be visible that address with your email or steem username once had that many bytes, but they need to do lot more to find out, which change addresses it has moved in your other wallet. With email and steem attestation, you have also option to do the private attestation, but then you won't get the features that let's others use them as aliases to your Byteball address. You can always later go from private to public (except real name attestation), but not other way.
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November 08, 2018, 03:38:55 PM
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Undecided I never heard the answer to my question, * * * Don't you like the idea of integrating into discord or Slark?

What kind of confirmation do you need that this is a cool idea? Some liked the idea that much that they already did it for Discord 2 months ago.

Is it possible to send bytes using other chats? or only through the byte wallet? I think if you add a similar function to discard or Slark, it will be a huge success.  Shocked

There was Discord bot developed during Steem Use-a-thon https://steemit.com/byteball/@genievot/byteball-use-a-thon-1st-entry-submission-request-discord-byteball-bot-completing-my-first-entry-1537618092396
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November 08, 2018, 06:13:19 PM
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I'm interested in getting into the identity verification issue, so as to be able to send vouchers to friends. However, there are a few things I'd like to understand first on that topic.
This is the medium post which has introduced the subject in January 2018:

https://medium.com/byteball/bringing-identity-to-crypto-b35964feee8e

Someone below the article is asking : "Can I have several accounts with the same identity?" and the answer is "yes". But I didn't understand exactly how that would work.

Let's say I'd like to create a wallet with a "public" profile, ie linked to my identity, in the app on my laptop. Later I'd decide to "extend" my identity also to a wallet I'm having on my mobile phone and/or to a multisig wallet on my PCs. How exactly would I have to do?

And another question: If I'm creating a wallet with little funds inside an app where is already another (main) wallet of mine with all my funds (which for obvious reasons I'd like to keep private) - would it be possible to connect my identity just to the wallet with the little funds while keeping full privacy over the other wallet(s) which are in the same app? If yes, what should I especially pay attention to?

If the bot asks you do share your private profile from your wallet (that's where your data is saved, there is no public profile, DAG only has hash), you can share any data from your private profile with that bot and the bot can verify if the Real Name Attestor has posted a hash about it, so the data is not manipulated.

Attested addresses need to be single-address wallets, so I think you can create as many single-address wallets on as many devices and attest them again, I haven't tried it though.

Probably not great to have all your funds on single-address wallet, which is created by default as a first wallet since this January. You get little bit more privacy if you have your funds on wallets that are not single-address wallets (wallets that generate new change addresses). If you move the funds out of that single-address wallet and then attest it publicly (email or steem attestation) then it will be visible that address with your email or steem username once had that many bytes, but they need to do lot more to find out, which change addresses it has moved in your other wallet. With email and steem attestation, you have also option to do the private attestation, but then you won't get the features that let's others use them as aliases to your Byteball address. You can always later go from private to public (except real name attestation), but not other way.

Thanks for your answer. Still not everything is clear to me. I know nothing about the "steem attestation" so I don't understand how this fits with the theme and half of your explanation makes therefore no sense to me.

My question which went unanswered is what  "Can I have several accounts with the same identity?" and the answer is "yes". " exactly means.
Do you have to perform a new KYC (at a $8 cost) for every new address you create or is it possible to apply an already made KYC also to new addresses?
I'm asking because I'd probably want to have an attested address being a multisig address, but in this moment I have no access to all my devices so if'd undergo the KYC now I would have to apply it only to one non-multisig address.

I'm happy that Byteball is seeking mass adoption but I can assure you that it is still damned complicated to sort such things out (and I'm no latecomer in this field) and both a simple way to do such things and clear set of explanation and tutoriar are totally missing. Still only a business for nerds, sorry I have to say that.

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November 08, 2018, 06:25:57 PM
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Thanks for your answer. Still not everything is clear to me. I know nothing about the "steem attestation" so I don't understand how this fits with the theme and half of your explanation makes therefore no sense to me.

My question which went unanswered is what  "Can I have several accounts with the same identity?" and the answer is "yes". " exactly means.
Do you have to perform a new KYC (at a $8 cost) for every new address you create or is it possible to apply an already made KYC also to new addresses?
I'm asking because I'd probably want to have an attested address being a multisig address, but in this moment I have no access to all my devices so if'd undergo the KYC now I would have to apply it only to one non-multisig address.

I'm happy that Byteball is seeking mass adoption but I can assure you that it is still damned complicated to sort such things out (and I'm no latecomer in this field) and both a simple way to do such things and clear set of explanation and tutoriar are totally missing. Still only a business for nerds, sorry I have to say that.

Nobody at the bite ball royal court is interested in that.
Facts resistance is their policy.

Mass adoption?! - That is ridiculous.
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I'm interested in getting into the identity verification issue, so as to be able to send vouchers to friends. However, there are a few things I'd like to understand first on that topic.
This is the medium post which has introduced the subject in January 2018:

https://medium.com/byteball/bringing-identity-to-crypto-b35964feee8e

Someone below the article is asking : "Can I have several accounts with the same identity?" and the answer is "yes". But I didn't understand exactly how that would work.

Let's say I'd like to create a wallet with a "public" profile, ie linked to my identity, in the app on my laptop. Later I'd decide to "extend" my identity also to a wallet I'm having on my mobile phone and/or to a multisig wallet on my PCs. How exactly would I have to do?

And another question: If I'm creating a wallet with little funds inside an app where is already another (main) wallet of mine with all my funds (which for obvious reasons I'd like to keep private) - would it be possible to connect my identity just to the wallet with the little funds while keeping full privacy over the other wallet(s) which are in the same app? If yes, what should I especially pay attention to?

If the bot asks you do share your private profile from your wallet (that's where your data is saved, there is no public profile, DAG only has hash), you can share any data from your private profile with that bot and the bot can verify if the Real Name Attestor has posted a hash about it, so the data is not manipulated.

Attested addresses need to be single-address wallets, so I think you can create as many single-address wallets on as many devices and attest them again, I haven't tried it though.

Probably not great to have all your funds on single-address wallet, which is created by default as a first wallet since this January. You get little bit more privacy if you have your funds on wallets that are not single-address wallets (wallets that generate new change addresses). If you move the funds out of that single-address wallet and then attest it publicly (email or steem attestation) then it will be visible that address with your email or steem username once had that many bytes, but they need to do lot more to find out, which change addresses it has moved in your other wallet. With email and steem attestation, you have also option to do the private attestation, but then you won't get the features that let's others use them as aliases to your Byteball address. You can always later go from private to public (except real name attestation), but not other way.

Thanks for your answer. Still not everything is clear to me. I know nothing about the "steem attestation" so I don't understand how this fits with the theme and half of your explanation makes therefore no sense to me.

My question which went unanswered is what  "Can I have several accounts with the same identity?" and the answer is "yes". " exactly means.
Do you have to perform a new KYC (at a $8 cost) for every new address you create or is it possible to apply an already made KYC also to new addresses?
I'm asking because I'd probably want to have an attested address being a multisig address, but in this moment I have no access to all my devices so if'd undergo the KYC now I would have to apply it only to one non-multisig address.

I'm happy that Byteball is seeking mass adoption but I can assure you that it is still damned complicated to sort such things out (and I'm no latecomer in this field) and both a simple way to do such things and clear set of explanation and tutoriar are totally missing. Still only a business for nerds, sorry I have to say that.


I am guessing, it depends what an account means, if it is a OS account then it is like new device. If the account is a different wallet inside of the app then same private profile can be used with any of the wallets within same OS account.

But no worries, I will try to answer again in more detail, just differently, so maybe it makes sense this way:
* You can only attest single-address wallet, so you can't attest your multisig wallet because it is not single-address. You also can't attest wallet that has change addresses, but ...
* attestations are saved in the private profile inside your app (per OS account), so it doesn't matter much, which wallet you use on that device because if the bot asks you to provide your identity, you can provide it no matter what wallet you have selected.
* The way attestations work is that they are either private or public and linked to single-address wallet, real name attestation is always private, so only hash is public on DAG. email or steem attestations can either be private or public and if user picks public then email/username are public on DAG too. Reason I mention this is that public attestations can be looked up to see whose email/username is linked to which address, but with private attestation you can only check if the profile provided by user is not tampered with (and actually attested by correct attestor), you can't go and look on DAG everybody who are born on year 2000.
* I have not tried to attest with real name attestation on another device, but I am guessing it will ask $8 again if you want to attest it on multiple devices because Jumio will still need to make sure that it's a valid document and it is indeed you. I don't know if there is any other limitations about doing it on multiple devices, but I am guessing you won't get rewards twice on next device with same ID (needs to be different ID for a reward).

Whether it is business for nerds or not, hard to tell. I think we nerds are the ones who want to figure out beforehand what is the most optimal way how to setup these things, but most people will probably just attest the default single-address wallet they have and be done with it.
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November 08, 2018, 11:25:26 PM
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I'm interested in getting into the identity verification issue, so as to be able to send vouchers to friends. However, there are a few things I'd like to understand first on that topic.
This is the medium post which has introduced the subject in January 2018:

https://medium.com/byteball/bringing-identity-to-crypto-b35964feee8e

Someone below the article is asking : "Can I have several accounts with the same identity?" and the answer is "yes". But I didn't understand exactly how that would work.

Let's say I'd like to create a wallet with a "public" profile, ie linked to my identity, in the app on my laptop. Later I'd decide to "extend" my identity also to a wallet I'm having on my mobile phone and/or to a multisig wallet on my PCs. How exactly would I have to do?

And another question: If I'm creating a wallet with little funds inside an app where is already another (main) wallet of mine with all my funds (which for obvious reasons I'd like to keep private) - would it be possible to connect my identity just to the wallet with the little funds while keeping full privacy over the other wallet(s) which are in the same app? If yes, what should I especially pay attention to?

If the bot asks you do share your private profile from your wallet (that's where your data is saved, there is no public profile, DAG only has hash), you can share any data from your private profile with that bot and the bot can verify if the Real Name Attestor has posted a hash about it, so the data is not manipulated.

Attested addresses need to be single-address wallets, so I think you can create as many single-address wallets on as many devices and attest them again, I haven't tried it though.

Probably not great to have all your funds on single-address wallet, which is created by default as a first wallet since this January. You get little bit more privacy if you have your funds on wallets that are not single-address wallets (wallets that generate new change addresses). If you move the funds out of that single-address wallet and then attest it publicly (email or steem attestation) then it will be visible that address with your email or steem username once had that many bytes, but they need to do lot more to find out, which change addresses it has moved in your other wallet. With email and steem attestation, you have also option to do the private attestation, but then you won't get the features that let's others use them as aliases to your Byteball address. You can always later go from private to public (except real name attestation), but not other way.

Thanks for your answer. Still not everything is clear to me. I know nothing about the "steem attestation" so I don't understand how this fits with the theme and half of your explanation makes therefore no sense to me.

My question which went unanswered is what  "Can I have several accounts with the same identity?" and the answer is "yes". " exactly means.
Do you have to perform a new KYC (at a $8 cost) for every new address you create or is it possible to apply an already made KYC also to new addresses?
I'm asking because I'd probably want to have an attested address being a multisig address, but in this moment I have no access to all my devices so if'd undergo the KYC now I would have to apply it only to one non-multisig address.

I'm happy that Byteball is seeking mass adoption but I can assure you that it is still damned complicated to sort such things out (and I'm no latecomer in this field) and both a simple way to do such things and clear set of explanation and tutoriar are totally missing. Still only a business for nerds, sorry I have to say that.


I am guessing, it depends what an account means, if it is a OS account then it is like new device. If the account is a different wallet inside of the app then same private profile can be used with any of the wallets within same OS account.

But no worries, I will try to answer again in more detail, just differently, so maybe it makes sense this way:
* You can only attest single-address wallet, so you can't attest your multisig wallet because it is not single-address. You also can't attest wallet that has change addresses, but ...
* attestations are saved in the private profile inside your app (per OS account), so it doesn't matter much, which wallet you use on that device because if the bot asks you to provide your identity, you can provide it no matter what wallet you have selected.
* The way attestations work is that they are either private or public and linked to single-address wallet, real name attestation is always private, so only hash is public on DAG. email or steem attestations can either be private or public and if user picks public then email/username are public on DAG too. Reason I mention this is that public attestations can be looked up to see whose email/username is linked to which address, but with private attestation you can only check if the profile provided by user is not tampered with (and actually attested by correct attestor), you can't go and look on DAG everybody who are born on year 2000.
* I have not tried to attest with real name attestation on another device, but I am guessing it will ask $8 again if you want to attest it on multiple devices because Jumio will still need to make sure that it's a valid document and it is indeed you. I don't know if there is any other limitations about doing it on multiple devices, but I am guessing you won't get rewards twice on next device with same ID (needs to be different ID for a reward).

Whether it is business for nerds or not, hard to tell. I think we nerds are the ones who want to figure out beforehand what is the most optimal way how to setup these things, but most people will probably just attest the default single-address wallet they have and be done with it.


Thanks, that is a very good answer. As for for they've meant with "account" we should ask both who made that question and who gave that answer on that medium post. Coming to your answer:

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You can only attest single-address wallet, so you can't attest your multisig wallet because it is not single-address.

Are you 100% sure about that? If I create a new wallet inside the app and i select the option for creating a multisig wallet I still am allowed to check also the option to make it a single address wallet. So shouldn't that allow that single address multisig wallet to be used for the Jumio attestation?
This is an important question because if this is possible then:
1. You can prove your identity when necessary regardless of where you are and which of your devices you are using since you have a multisig wallet.
2. With a multisig wallet you enjoy a higher protection against losing your attested wallet due to hardware failure etc.

Finally: if attestations are saved in the private profile inside your app, does that somehow affect your privacy if you are using not attested wallets and you DON'T want to reveal your identity? I guess the answer is no, but this is something we should really be sure about.

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You can only attest single-address wallet, so you can't attest your multisig wallet because it is not single-address.

Are you 100% sure about that? If I create a new wallet inside the app and i select the option for creating a multisig wallet I still am allowed to check also the option to make it a single address wallet. So shouldn't that allow that single address multisig wallet to be used for the Jumio attestation?
This is an important question because if this is possible then:
1. You can prove your identity when necessary regardless of where you are and which of your devices you are using since you have a multisig wallet.
2. With a multisig wallet you enjoy a higher protection against losing your attested wallet due to hardware failure etc.

Finally: if attestations are saved in the private profile inside your app, does that somehow affect your privacy if you are using not attested wallets and you DON'T want to reveal your identity? I guess the answer is no, but this is something we should really be sure about.

You are right, I totally missed that, there is indeed option like that. I have not tried it with multisig, maybe it prompts your other wallet too, so you could save the private profile, if not then the private profile is only in device that communicated with the bot.

EDIT: private profile is stored only in one device at the moment.

You are revealing your identity only when you want to reveal by selecting "..." button from chat, clicking "insert private profile" and choosing, which values you want to share
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November 09, 2018, 03:48:00 PM
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Finally, Byteball started moving upwards.
The coin rose around 7% today.
Nevertheless, recent total daily volume has been low, which should be increased significantly in order to play as one of strong momentum for future movements of GBYTE.

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November 09, 2018, 05:48:03 PM
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Finally, Byteball started moving upwards.
The coin rose around 7% today.
Nevertheless, recent total daily volume has been low, which should be increased significantly in order to play as one of strong momentum for future movements of GBYTE.
And what is your proposal to increase demand (and thus volume)?
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And what do you think now the value of the coin on the exchange is overstated or Vice versa understated? As far as I can tell, technically the coin should be in the first hundred.
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November 10, 2018, 03:55:46 AM
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Byteball is now on Delta Direct! Download the app and add GBYTE for updates from the team.  Cool

https://delta.app/
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