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November 23, 2018, 06:22:57 PM
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Hi everybody,

Last week, I sponsored a friend with a smartvoucher. Everything goes fine.

Then, I sent him few bytes to allow him to experiment the wallet and to validate his email address.

He validates it. Find the unit here : https://explorer.byteball.org/#7Lj+fRiMde1q9bZNbiUNAKo7EuWGs+CtNa5dLenAdbM=

Unfortunately, he never received the 10$ reward.

So, could the Byteball team assist my friend to get his reward ? And for my personal education, could you explain me what happens ? I have my idea on the question and it's the main subject of my next article, so your opinion could help me to be more precise.

Thank you very much
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November 23, 2018, 10:43:26 PM
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The Byteball Platform - Thoughts on a Rebrand

Greetings Byteball Community and Team.

My apologies for such a long post, and a re-post from our Reddit thread, but I felt some may not see it otherwise and that a full explanation was in order...

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Thank you for sharing that post which I found to be an extremely interesting point of view. In fact the 5 merits I sent don't seem to do justice.

Disappointing I thought to see the very first response and others afterwards focusing on domain name and  accusing you of trying to profit from that. I didn't reach anywhere near that conclusion when I read through it. Rather I believe you have written from your heart how it is the state of the project as you see it.  I for one think it is good that you have held these domains for such a cheap price. (When Dash bought Dash.org it cost a lot lot more). Of course community might not agree with you anyway on choices of names...

I always considered the absolute top priorities for this project is to 1) become as decentralised as soon as possible by having a full list of independant witnesses and 2) to have the  supply distributed ASAP but some aspects of your post make me reconsider my view. Perhaps rebranding and some refocus might have more merit than I had considered.

I think bytecash is perfect for renaming blackbytes. I endorse that name totally. Tony have you seen this idea? Please consider. In fact I'd almost forgotten about blackbytes, they feel extremely neglected at this point like some unwanted skeleton in the closet.  Even though I was very intruigued by them when I first got into byteball. As you rightly point out they are a huge asset and should be promoted at the forefront. Is byteball so focused on proving ID on the DAG now blackbytes would rather be forgotten?

About  the name for bytes to G-Bytes I'm not so keen. Its very close to the symbol for the denomination, of G meaning 1,000,000,000 bytes. Could that not cause confusion? I think the platform could stay as byteball to me. Or maybe 'the byteball platform' HOwever I like that you have made such a clear reminder that bytes are for powering the platform and apps and stuff and that cashbytes (blackbytes) are there to be the cash.

As for the distribution I'm not going to go into it all again in detail I've had my say many times in many different ways earlier in the thread, basically I think I agree with you on that.
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November 24, 2018, 05:43:46 AM
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Are there any translation bounties for wallet or website?
If yes, is there some limit for languages?
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November 24, 2018, 05:54:58 AM
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The Byteball Platform - Thoughts on a Rebrand

Greetings Byteball Community and Team.

My apologies for such a long post, and a re-post from our Reddit thread, but I felt some may not see it otherwise and that a full explanation was in order...

... ...


Thank you for sharing that post which I found to be an extremely interesting point of view. In fact the 5 merits I sent don't seem to do justice.

Disappointing I thought to see the very first response and others afterwards focusing on domain name and  accusing you of trying to profit from that. I didn't reach anywhere near that conclusion when I read through it. Rather I believe you have written from your heart how it is the state of the project as you see it....


Thank you afbitcoins! Your post captured my intention perfectly.

I thought long and hard how to approach this topic and realized that there is no pleasing everyone. Some will read my post with hostility and suspicion and some like you will see it for what it was - The fact is, I'm simply trying to do something positive for the project - as I have been trying to do (in my own way) ever since I first got involved.

I sincerely believe that the best possible replacement name for Blackbytes is CashByte and that a shift in focus a bit more to the privacy aspects on DAG could do the project a whole lot of good.

As someone who never got any free Bytes through full moon distributions, and who bought Byteball on the open market believing that I would receive a dividend, I think it's entirely reasonable to ask for a small payment from the community fund for my time, effort and money invested over time if the community likes the name(s) I suggested, and went to the trouble of registering to protect - it's not like I'm asking for a fortune - I'm quite sure the consultants working on a name change are getting paid at least ten times as much.

Anyways, I'm sure some will immediately jump to attack mode once again.

It's too bad that because of how things have played out for Byteball, a lot of negativity has developed on this forum. It's completely understandable, and spirited discussions are absolutely necessary, but if Byteball (or whatever it is to be called) is to thrive and prosper going forward, we must try to rebuild a community that works more harmoniously toward our common goal, instead of seizing the first opportunity to snipe at one another.

C'mon folks, let's all try to row together a bit more. A thriving community is essential if the Byteball platform is to succeed.

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November 24, 2018, 10:47:15 AM
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Hi everybody,

Last week, I sponsored a friend with a smartvoucher. Everything goes fine.

Then, I sent him few bytes to allow him to experiment the wallet and to validate his email address.

He validates it. Find the unit here : https://explorer.byteball.org/#7Lj+fRiMde1q9bZNbiUNAKo7EuWGs+CtNa5dLenAdbM=

Unfortunately, he never received the 10$ reward.

So, could the Byteball team assist my friend to get his reward ? And for my personal education, could you explain me what happens ? I have my idea on the question and it's the main subject of my next article, so your opinion could help me to be more precise.

Thank you very much


Did they have @harvard.edu or @eesti.ee email address? Because at the moment, only those email addresses are rewarded and smart vouchers are only for real name attestation for now.
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November 24, 2018, 11:00:24 AM
Last edit: November 24, 2018, 01:43:35 PM by tarmo888
 #21026

The Byteball Platform - Thoughts on a Rebrand

Greetings Byteball Community and Team.

My apologies for such a long post, and a re-post from our Reddit thread, but I felt some may not see it otherwise and that a full explanation was in order...

... ...


Thank you for sharing that post which I found to be an extremely interesting point of view. In fact the 5 merits I sent don't seem to do justice.

Disappointing I thought to see the very first response and others afterwards focusing on domain name and  accusing you of trying to profit from that. I didn't reach anywhere near that conclusion when I read through it. Rather I believe you have written from your heart how it is the state of the project as you see it....


Thank you afbitcoins! Your post captured my intention perfectly.

I thought long and hard how to approach this topic and realized that there is no pleasing everyone. Some will read my post with hostility and suspicion and some like you will see it for what it was - The fact is, I'm simply trying to do something positive for the project - as I have been trying to do (in my own way) ever since I first got involved.

I sincerely believe that the best possible replacement name for Blackbytes is CashByte and that a shift in focus a bit more to the privacy aspects on DAG could do the project a whole lot of good.

As someone who never got any free Bytes through full moon distributions, and who bought Byteball on the open market believing that I would receive a dividend, I think it's entirely reasonable to ask for a small payment from the community fund for my time, effort and money invested over time if the community likes the name(s) I suggested, and went to the trouble of registering to protect - it's not like I'm asking for a fortune - I'm quite sure the consultants working on a name change are getting paid at least ten times as much.

Anyways, I'm sure some will immediately jump to attack mode once again.

It's too bad that because of how things have played out for Byteball, a lot of negativity has developed on this forum. It's completely understandable, and spirited discussions are absolutely necessary, but if Byteball (or whatever it is to be called) is to thrive and prosper going forward, we must try to rebuild a community that works more harmoniously toward our common goal, instead of seizing the first opportunity to snipe at one another.

C'mon folks, let's all try to row together a bit more. A thriving community is essential if the Byteball platform is to succeed.



Obviously, you think that CashByte is the best replacement for the blackbytes because you have already squatted the domain name. I can already see at least 2 people (maybe just one, but can't tell if you have 2 usernames or not) who will be pissed off about the new name when the branding agency finds a different alternative for the privacy coin. And that has been my main concern with the name change from the beginning that there will always be somebody thinking that they had a better name for it. Even with the name change, there will be people who will still say that the new name is holding back the project because it is not what they were thinking is a best one.

I would have probably totally ignored your post if it would have not looked like a cash grab via domain squatting because it didn't add anything new to the discussion other than a nice story around the names that you squatted.

I have also squatted couple of domains and I am willing to give them away for the price of $10 each - that is the cost of trouble of registering a domain.
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November 24, 2018, 01:09:28 PM
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Effects from bitcoin falls this time are terrible.
I can not deny this fact, and everyone too.
Nevertheless, we all might see the lights at the end of tunnel soon, like Roman said.
Byteball, in reality, is a good project, developed by energetic, efficient, and generous team.
I believe in Byteball.
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November 24, 2018, 02:44:52 PM
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In full disclosure, I have gone to the trouble of registering some domains to try to protect the names I have mentioned. I was worried that they could be unavailable or fall into unsympathetic hands. Not all were available in the exact form desired, but enough of them were secured to make this a viable option if that is what the Team and Community desire.
If the Community, Team and Tony like the idea or a part of it, then it is my intention to transfer ownership of the relevant domain(s) at a nominal fee to the organization. I am asking for 10 GBYTE and 10 x 2.11 GBB (BlackBytes) as payment from the Community funds for my efforts. If no one cares, then I guess it's my loss and I'm ok with that.

P.S. Please bear with me if it takes me a little time to respond to any feedback this post might get - I'm absolutely swamped at the moment.

While I don't have much to say about rest of your long post, this part just feels evil. Domains cost $10 and your trouble was worth 30 times of that + whatever the blackbytes are worth? You basically squatted the names to make a profit and then wrote a nice story around it. How many domains did you squatted? To me, it feels like these domains have already fallen into unsympathetic hands, but I guess it doesn't matter much because it hasn't been announced yet what the branding agency came up with.

Well, he had those names in mind, so it is not cypersquatting, it is a measure to AVOID cybersquatting, if his idea is accepted he fully deserves a little prize for the solution he has provided, if it is not accepted, then he'd make a little loss and nobody would care about these domain names anyway.
Since you don't understand what Cybersquatting is, check the definition given on wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybersquatting

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November 24, 2018, 03:11:35 PM
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Well, he had those names in mind, so it is not cypersquatting, it is a measure to AVOID cybersquatting, if his idea is accepted he fully deserves a little prize for the solution he has provided, if it is not accepted, then he'd make a little loss and nobody would care about these domain names anyway.
Since you don't understand what Cybersquatting is, check the definition given on wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybersquatting

That is just semantics. Yes, it is true that he didn't cybersquat existing trademark, but what he basically did was that bought a domains and then wrote a nice long post how the names he came up with were "best possible replacement name". If you want a known name for that behavior, that can be called as lobbying.

Anyways, this is not the proccess how Byteball gets a rebranding. There is a branding agency hired who will come up with the possible news names (and they will make sure it will not sound stupid in other languages). I think it has been said that community opinion will be taken account for selecting the final one, but I have no idea when that happens.
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Well, he had those names in mind, so it is not cypersquatting, it is a measure to AVOID cybersquatting, if his idea is accepted he fully deserves a little prize for the solution he has provided, if it is not accepted, then he'd make a little loss and nobody would care about these domain names anyway.
Since you don't understand what Cybersquatting is, check the definition given on wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybersquatting

That is just semantics. Yes, it is true that he didn't cybersquat existing trademark, but what he basically did was that bought a domains and then wrote a nice long post how the names he came up with were "best possible replacement name". If you want a known name for that behavior, that can be called as lobbying.

Anyways, this is not the proccess how Byteball gets a rebranding. There is a branding agency hired who will come up with the possible news names (and they will make sure it will not sound stupid in other languages). I think it has been said that community opinion will be taken account for selecting the final one, but I have no idea when that happens.

Well, he just made a proposal, which is something always welcome - it's called brainstorming, of course the branding agency will then come with their own proposals and-or conclusions. And my personal opinion is very similar of the one of afbitcoins - bytecash is quite cool, while G-Bytes is actually quite terrible IMO.

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November 24, 2018, 04:16:26 PM
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Well, he had those names in mind, so it is not cypersquatting, it is a measure to AVOID cybersquatting, if his idea is accepted he fully deserves a little prize for the solution he has provided, if it is not accepted, then he'd make a little loss and nobody would care about these domain names anyway.
Since you don't understand what Cybersquatting is, check the definition given on wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybersquatting

That is just semantics. Yes, it is true that he didn't cybersquat existing trademark, but what he basically did was that bought a domains and then wrote a nice long post how the names he came up with were "best possible replacement name". If you want a known name for that behavior, that can be called as lobbying.

Anyways, this is not the proccess how Byteball gets a rebranding. There is a branding agency hired who will come up with the possible news names (and they will make sure it will not sound stupid in other languages). I think it has been said that community opinion will be taken account for selecting the final one, but I have no idea when that happens.

Well, he just made a proposal, which is something always welcome - it's called brainstorming, of course the branding agency will then come with their own proposals and-or conclusions. And my personal opinion is very similar of the one of afbitcoins - bytecash is quite cool, while G-Bytes is actually quite terrible IMO.

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November 24, 2018, 05:01:23 PM
Last edit: November 24, 2018, 08:07:23 PM by tarmo888
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Well, he had those names in mind, so it is not cypersquatting, it is a measure to AVOID cybersquatting, if his idea is accepted he fully deserves a little prize for the solution he has provided, if it is not accepted, then he'd make a little loss and nobody would care about these domain names anyway.
Since you don't understand what Cybersquatting is, check the definition given on wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybersquatting

That is just semantics. Yes, it is true that he didn't cybersquat existing trademark, but what he basically did was that bought a domains and then wrote a nice long post how the names he came up with were "best possible replacement name". If you want a known name for that behavior, that can be called as lobbying.

Anyways, this is not the proccess how Byteball gets a rebranding. There is a branding agency hired who will come up with the possible news names (and they will make sure it will not sound stupid in other languages). I think it has been said that community opinion will be taken account for selecting the final one, but I have no idea when that happens.

Well, he just made a proposal, which is something always welcome - it's called brainstorming, of course the branding agency will then come with their own proposals and-or conclusions. And my personal opinion is very similar of the one of afbitcoins - bytecash is quite cool, while G-Bytes is actually quite terrible IMO.

Cryptoruble?


I propose Byte Money - Byteball already has a byte.money domain for that too.

Oh, sh1t, it already exists: "Byte Money services the South African funeral parlor market by providing cash receipting and auditing services."
https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/byte-money
Well, it seems they are the true crypt-o-currency.
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November 25, 2018, 08:47:37 AM
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Thanks to Byteball Community member, henric, for this attempt to analyze Byteball aspects through the unconventional prism of metaphysics!

https://steemit.com/byteball/@henric/byteball-unus-mundus
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November 27, 2018, 11:24:46 AM
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Hi everybody,

Last week, I sponsored a friend with a smartvoucher. Everything goes fine.

Then, I sent him few bytes to allow him to experiment the wallet and to validate his email address.

He validates it. Find the unit here : https://explorer.byteball.org/#7Lj+fRiMde1q9bZNbiUNAKo7EuWGs+CtNa5dLenAdbM=

Unfortunately, he never received the 10$ reward.

So, could the Byteball team assist my friend to get his reward ? And for my personal education, could you explain me what happens ? I have my idea on the question and it's the main subject of my next article, so your opinion could help me to be more precise.

Thank you very much


Did they have @harvard.edu or @eesti.ee email address? Because at the moment, only those email addresses are rewarded and smart vouchers are only for real name attestation for now.

Hi Tarmo888,

Thank you very much for the answer. You're absolutely right !

I registered my email address few weeks ago but I was hurry this day, so I didn't take time to read anything Grin But I was sincerely thinking I received the reward... my mistake... so, I will pay the 10$ to my friend as an apology ^_^;

I will send him the bytes with his email Cheesy first experiment !!!

But I'm a bit sad, my theory will stay at theory level without proof ^_^: And my influenza doesn't help.

see you soon
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November 29, 2018, 07:58:17 AM
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Read the latest Byteball email newsletter: Fun New Distribution

https://medium.com/@byteballjesus/read-the-latest-byteball-email-newsletter-fun-new-distribution-bd9198692a82
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November 29, 2018, 11:41:55 AM
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The speculators will be thrilled.

I, on the other hand, still can't sell anything against black bites.
Will that ever be possible? - I don't know.

"Historical index for the Byteball Bytes price prediction: E
Byteball Bytes price equal to 30.126 USD at 2018-11-29, but your current investment may be devalued in the future."

https://walletinvestor.com/forecast/byteball-bytes-prediction

But bite ball is in good company.
Let's see which projects are the first to find their way out of their filter bubble and echo chamber.
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November 29, 2018, 12:28:46 PM
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That's very nice. Is there any date already set when this "game" to receive bytes will be launched? When will the rules be published?

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November 29, 2018, 02:00:55 PM
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That's very nice. Is there any date already set when this "game" to receive bytes will be launched? When will the rules be published?

Excellent, finally a next step in distribution and it seems like a fun way to manage it. Hopefully it will be limited to recently active wallets. Looking forward to see more how this will be working.

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November 29, 2018, 02:51:55 PM
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That's very nice. Is there any date already set when this "game" to receive bytes will be launched? When will the rules be published?

Excellent, finally a next step in distribution and it seems like a fun way to manage it. Hopefully it will be limited to recently active wallets. Looking forward to see more how this will be working.

To spread the coin more evenly, it has to be aimed at recently created, active and creating brand new wallets.
Otherwise it goes to the whales. After all, mass adoption is aimed. Also - there is no push for creating
relay nodes, nor a complete guide how to do it.
Example, I'm willing to run such node, but i need a thorough guide, since Linux is not my main focus.
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November 29, 2018, 05:24:18 PM
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That's very nice. Is there any date already set when this "game" to receive bytes will be launched? When will the rules be published?

Excellent, finally a next step in distribution and it seems like a fun way to manage it. Hopefully it will be limited to recently active wallets. Looking forward to see more how this will be working.

To spread the coin more evenly, it has to be aimed at recently created, active and creating brand new wallets.
Otherwise it goes to the whales. After all, mass adoption is aimed. Also - there is no push for creating
relay nodes, nor a complete guide how to do it.
Example, I'm willing to run such node, but i need a thorough guide, since Linux is not my main focus.

You forgot the fact that whales can create also new wallets and addresses, so this spreading coins to recently created ones has no effect, but distribution that has some kind of attestation gives somewhat control over not having the same people rewarded too many times.

Detailed guide how to run headless-wallet, relay and hub will be published soon. If you would be in Byteball community on Slack then you would already seen some drafts about them.
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