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November 29, 2018, 05:54:21 PM
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That's very nice. Is there any date already set when this "game" to receive bytes will be launched? When will the rules be published?

Excellent, finally a next step in distribution and it seems like a fun way to manage it. Hopefully it will be limited to recently active wallets. Looking forward to see more how this will be working.

To spread the coin more evenly, it has to be aimed at recently created, active and creating brand new wallets.
Otherwise it goes to the whales. After all, mass adoption is aimed. Also - there is no push for creating
relay nodes, nor a complete guide how to do it.
Example, I'm willing to run such node, but i need a thorough guide, since Linux is not my main focus.

You forgot the fact that whales can create also new wallets and addresses, so this spreading coins to recently created ones has no effect, but distribution that has some kind of attestation gives somewhat control over not having the same people rewarded too many times.
I had a hunch: Only those who drop their pants (KYC) are allowed to play along.  Grin
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November 29, 2018, 06:32:42 PM
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I had a hunch: Only those who drop their pants (KYC) are allowed to play along.  Grin

Do you have any actually ideas how to distribute coins so whales don't get it (whale can be any script-kiddie who finds a loophole). Nobody wants a coin, where most of it is owned by whales, that is no way different than fiat currencies. Why are you even here, Byteball clearly doesn't fit with what you want, go buy some Monero.
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November 29, 2018, 06:59:27 PM
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OMG again. KYC your mom russian spies
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November 29, 2018, 07:02:05 PM
Last edit: November 29, 2018, 07:20:03 PM by Thul
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Those who engage in this nonsense have no place in the Cryptoworld. - Basically they only want Fiat.
And where do the bites end up? - Exactly, with the whales.  Tongue

I, on the other hand, still can't sell anything against black bites.
Will that ever be possible? - I don't know.

.. Why are you even here, Byteball clearly doesn't fit with what you want, go buy some Monero.
I know, I know. Thank you for the reconfirmation.

@all
The team is fooling you as long as you don't fight this endless series of wrong decisions together.
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November 29, 2018, 08:10:15 PM
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OMG again. KYC your mom russian spies

You made me laugh Pineapple Express Cheesy Cheesy

You are right. Why do you have distributed network, e-mail confirmation, encrypted connection,
anonymous payments... and then you KYC. What is the point then?

I think this coin needs to decide if it is going to be 100% anonymous
or 100% KYC. Having both in one coin seems to bee too hard for the team
or too hard in general when combined with mass adoption and anti-whale.


@Tarmo88 - sorry, cannot install another chat app just to monitor progress.
I'll visit btctalk from time to time.

Instead of giving Byteballs for free, consider proven method with bounties
for articles, nodes, promo videos, guides, translations, etc.
That way you will atleast get some work done for the project.
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November 29, 2018, 09:16:48 PM
Last edit: November 29, 2018, 10:30:45 PM by Thul
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Instead of giving Byteballs for free, consider proven method with bounties
for articles, nodes, promo videos, guides, translations, etc.
That way you will atleast get some work done for the project.
Even better: For the development of a decentralized marketplace where I and thousands of my colleagues can finally sell goods against black bites.  Cool
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November 29, 2018, 10:20:02 PM
Last edit: November 29, 2018, 10:34:09 PM by tarmo888
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OMG again. KYC your mom russian spies
You made me laugh Pineapple Express Cheesy Cheesy
So, Russophobia makes your day? Your blend of humor, what you like is when somebody says something phobic? Or did the Your Mom joke make you laugh? Shouldn't you be in bed already?


You are right. Why do you have distributed network, e-mail confirmation, encrypted connection,
anonymous payments... and then you KYC. What is the point then?
Point is, you can't distribute coin that doesn't have mining without creating whales if you don't make sure that the addresses belong to different people. 1 address is not 1 user. Kind of insane that you still don't get the basics of being anonymous and how cryptocurrencies work (you can create as many addresses you want, all transactions are on public database).


I think this coin needs to decide if it is going to be 100% anonymous
or 100% KYC. Having both in one coin seems to bee too hard for the team
or too hard in general when combined with mass adoption and anti-whale.
Where did you get that 100% anonymous claim? Nothing is as black and white as 100% anonymous or 100% KYC. Bitcoin is also not 100% anonymous. Bytes are not 100% anonymous, blackbytes are anonymous (don't know what percentage). Even Monero is not 100% anonymous.


@Tarmo88 - sorry, cannot install another chat app just to monitor progress.
I'll visit btctalk from time to time.
You do not need an app for that, you register there http://slack.byteball.org/ and you chat there https://byteball.slack.com/ (no app, web browser)


Instead of giving Byteballs for free, consider proven method with bounties
for articles, nodes, promo videos, guides, translations, etc.
That way you will atleast get some work done for the project.
Byteball has #grants (Slack channel) for developers and bounties for translations via Utopian.io
It even had contest for writers https://www.reddit.com/r/ByteBall/comments/9ud8j5/writers_wanted_new_byteball_contest/
Some people (except you) work on Byteball every day and they don't come to Bitcointalk to whine. Others who don't work on Byteball, just keep themselves up to date, so they wouldn't embarrass themselves claiming something that is not true (that's you).
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November 29, 2018, 10:46:07 PM
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Those who engage in this nonsense have no place in the Cryptoworld. - Basically they only want Fiat.
And where do the bites end up? - Exactly, with the whales.  Tongue

I, on the other hand, still can't sell anything against black bites.
Will that ever be possible? - I don't know.

.. Why are you even here, Byteball clearly doesn't fit with what you want, go buy some Monero.
I know, I know. Thank you for the reconfirmation.

@all
The team is fooling you as long as you don't fight this endless series of wrong decisions together.

This is not how it works, nobody forces you to use Byteball like government forces you to use the fiat. You pick whatever cryptocurrency that suits for you by doing the research what the coin is about. If you want sell your Blackbytes on something, go build that something or convince somebody else to build it for you. You are not convincing anybody at the moment because you think that you can force others to do something (also not how open-source works).
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November 29, 2018, 11:05:56 PM
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What tarmo888's hiding: With the again crazy distribution method people get bites that don't really do anything with it. - KYC sheep are only interested in Fiat.

I'm sure the team is aware of that. Which makes the suspicion stronger that these tricks are really about something completely different.

The team is obviously not interested in creating a benefit that ultimately leads to broad acceptance.
Proof:

This is not how it works, nobody forces you to use Byteball like government forces you to use the fiat. You pick whatever cryptocurrency that suits for you by doing the research what the coin is about. If you want sell your Blackbytes on something, go build that something or convince somebody else to build it for you. You are not convincing anybody at the moment because you think that you can force others to do something (also not how open-source works).
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November 29, 2018, 11:24:30 PM
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Where did you get that 100% anonymous claim? Nothing is as black and white as 100% anonymous or 100% KYC. Bitcoin is also not 100% anonymous. Bytes are not 100% anonymous, blackbytes are anonymous (don't know what percentage). Even Monero is not 100% anonymous.


As far as I know Blackbytes are 100% anonymous, and they are so untrackable that this makes it in fact impossible to trade them on centralized exchanges.

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November 29, 2018, 11:59:06 PM
Last edit: November 30, 2018, 12:40:24 AM by tarmo888
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Where did you get that 100% anonymous claim? Nothing is as black and white as 100% anonymous or 100% KYC. Bitcoin is also not 100% anonymous. Bytes are not 100% anonymous, blackbytes are anonymous (don't know what percentage). Even Monero is not 100% anonymous.


As far as I know Blackbytes are 100% anonymous, and they are so untrackable that this makes it in fact impossible to trade them on centralized exchanges.

There is no such thing as 100% anonymous, not even with TOR. There is no 100% anonymity because there is always cost for that anonymity, that's why Monero is slow and expensive. Also, most people will reveal themselves some other way (usually they befriend undercover FBI agents) even if they use the most anonymous currency. Ross Ulbricht didn't get caught because of Bitcoin semi-anonymity, he got caught because he needed to learn how to use TOR with PHP on StackOverflow.

What makes Blackbytes "impossible" to trade on centralized exchanges is that it would not be anonymous if it goes through centralized exchange, you will be trusting your anonymity to the centralized exchange. It's not impossible, it's just very unfriendly for any exchange to do, because it would go against their purpose. Adding it to centralized exchange would be same kind of stupid thing as ETFs, which are no different than how current banks work. People should have their own private keys, not let others hold their money.
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November 30, 2018, 12:22:59 AM
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What tarmo888's hiding: With the again crazy distribution method people get bites that don't really do anything with it. - KYC sheep are only interested in Fiat.

I'm sure the team is aware of that. Which makes the suspicion stronger that these tricks are really about something completely different.

The team is obviously not interested in creating a benefit that ultimately leads to broad acceptance.
Proof:

This is not how it works, nobody forces you to use Byteball like government forces you to use the fiat. You pick whatever cryptocurrency that suits for you by doing the research what the coin is about. If you want sell your Blackbytes on something, go build that something or convince somebody else to build it for you. You are not convincing anybody at the moment because you think that you can force others to do something (also not how open-source works).

Nobody is forcing you to participate where you think that the amount of privacy you give away is not worth it. You can still use Byteball even if you don't do KYC and your personal info is safe in your wallet, not on public database. Not everybody who does KYC is interested in withdrawing to shitty fiat currencies, many do KYC in order to buy cryptocurrencies legally.

Whales get it only when people who don't understand cryptocurrencies sell their coins, so instead of spreading FUD and causing the price to drop, we should educate them not to sell. Bitcoin would not have dropped so low either if there wouldn't be so many people who don't understand the value (it's not privacy, blockchains are public) in cryptocurrencies. Then again, it probably wouldn't ever gone so high either.
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November 30, 2018, 07:29:42 AM
Last edit: November 30, 2018, 07:41:46 AM by Thul
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Where did you get that 100% anonymous claim? Nothing is as black and white as 100% anonymous or 100% KYC. Bitcoin is also not 100% anonymous. Bytes are not 100% anonymous, blackbytes are anonymous (don't know what percentage). Even Monero is not 100% anonymous.


As far as I know Blackbytes are 100% anonymous, and they are so untrackable that this makes it in fact impossible to trade them on centralized exchanges.
On a decentralized market, where you can also buy goods and services for black bites, they are very easy to trade.
But the team is not interested in meaningful developments that massively increase the benefits.

The intention must be different.

KYC... unbelievable...

Hint to the speculators: A benefit also increases the value and thus also the price of the currency.
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November 30, 2018, 11:56:52 AM
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careful when you change the HUB Roll Eyes

i inserted byteball.com/bb instead of byteball.org/bb now my wallet crashes each time i try to restore with seed
still haven't fixed it
deleting the /users/byteball folder doesn't help

http://bit.ly/bittmex
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November 30, 2018, 01:35:07 PM
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OMG again. KYC your mom russian spies
You made me laugh Pineapple Express Cheesy Cheesy
So, Russophobia makes your day? Your blend of humor, what you like is when somebody says something phobic? Or did the Your Mom joke make you laugh? Shouldn't you be in bed already?


You are right. Why do you have distributed network, e-mail confirmation, encrypted connection,
anonymous payments... and then you KYC. What is the point then?
Point is, you can't distribute coin that doesn't have mining without creating whales if you don't make sure that the addresses belong to different people. 1 address is not 1 user. Kind of insane that you still don't get the basics of being anonymous and how cryptocurrencies work (you can create as many addresses you want, all transactions are on public database).


I think this coin needs to decide if it is going to be 100% anonymous
or 100% KYC. Having both in one coin seems to bee too hard for the team
or too hard in general when combined with mass adoption and anti-whale.
Where did you get that 100% anonymous claim? Nothing is as black and white as 100% anonymous or 100% KYC. Bitcoin is also not 100% anonymous. Bytes are not 100% anonymous, blackbytes are anonymous (don't know what percentage). Even Monero is not 100% anonymous.


@Tarmo88 - sorry, cannot install another chat app just to monitor progress.
I'll visit btctalk from time to time.
You do not need an app for that, you register there http://slack.byteball.org/ and you chat there https://byteball.slack.com/ (no app, web browser)


Instead of giving Byteballs for free, consider proven method with bounties
for articles, nodes, promo videos, guides, translations, etc.
That way you will atleast get some work done for the project.
Byteball has #grants (Slack channel) for developers and bounties for translations via Utopian.io
It even had contest for writers https://www.reddit.com/r/ByteBall/comments/9ud8j5/writers_wanted_new_byteball_contest/
Some people (except you) work on Byteball every day and they don't come to Bitcointalk to whine. Others who don't work on Byteball, just keep themselves up to date, so they wouldn't embarrass themselves claiming something that is not true (that's you).


1. Russophobia? LoL Smiley Hell no! It's the sentence just sounds hilarious in my native language (imagine Arnold Schwarzenegger saying it Cheesy). Please excuse me if my sense of humor offends you.

2. Yes, you can distribute the coin evenly without creating (lazy) whales
I'm new to this coin. I opened the BTC talk thread and red the first page. Did not see any bounties.
Installed the wallet, saw there were some bots, verified my e-mail. and got some Byteballs (the claim was $10 worth, but i actually got $0.01).
Then i started mining and searching for a way to acquire more of it. I found what a witness is, I found there are nodes, but you get nothing for running them.
Plus, they require some Linux skills. Then i started asking questions. Thanks to the people here (and also you) I learned more. I was amazed how a simple wallet can accomodate hybrid coin which has both: a regular coin, mineable via WCG (where you also help anti-cancer research) and an Anonymous equivalent. Then you add automatic bots which work very well plus high speed of transactions (seconds!). I started wondering why it is not famous!?

Then i visit the last topic and it says there that you have to KYC to obtain coins. I see no clear vision for development and no action plan. So i suggested ways for people to be paid for spreading the coin. My intention is to help it grow.

I'm also interested in other coins and i monitor their progress for a long time. I can see this coin work by creating a lot of bounties for it (translations of: wallet, whitepaper, BTC talk tread, articles, videos, twitter posts, signature bounties you name it!), spreading the news among CPU mineable forums, threads is a must. Creating an exchange will boost things a lot. Creating a real-world use for the coin will shoot it sky-high.  How to avoid script kiddies to create thousands of wallets and just wait for the drop? By making them earn those coins! In other cryptos they had the same problem. Referral bonus was high, so they got thousands of fake referrals. How did they fight that: 1 week delay before referral payment, so they can check for scam. They were sifting them manually until one day they implemented AI bot to do this and since then it runs flawlessly.

All this means there are ways to do it right, just use the carrot.
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November 30, 2018, 02:00:28 PM
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.. I started wondering why it is not famous!?
Because the benefit is missing and the team persistently refuses to develop one.
Instead, for months, one mischief has followed another. Of course without any coordination with the community (i.e. the people outside the filter bubble).

The project management's sense of reality is generally not very pronounced. So it took two years until they were able to change this unspeakable naming hopefully soon.
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November 30, 2018, 03:10:10 PM
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.. I started wondering why it is not famous!?
Because the benefit is missing and the team persistently refuses to develop one.
Instead, for months, one mischief has followed another. Of course without any coordination with the community (i.e. the people outside the filter bubble).

The project management's sense of reality is generally not very pronounced. So it took two years until they were able to change this unspeakable naming hopefully soon.

Sorry to hear that, I really liked the project idea.
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November 30, 2018, 04:08:44 PM
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.. I started wondering why it is not famous!?
Because the benefit is missing and the team persistently refuses to develop one.
Instead, for months, one mischief has followed another. Of course without any coordination with the community (i.e. the people outside the filter bubble).

The project management's sense of reality is generally not very pronounced. So it took two years until they were able to change this unspeakable naming hopefully soon.

Sorry to hear that, I really liked the project idea.
The project idea is excellent. That's why I'm still here.
Only the team shines with arrogance and ignorance and an absurd misjudgement of reality.

This is no coincidence:
"Byteball Bytes price equal to 27.942 USD at 2018-11-30, but your current investment may be devalued in the future."
https://walletinvestor.com/forecast/byteball-bytes-prediction

Regularly the project could already be in the top 10 - if some maniacs didn't have the control.
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November 30, 2018, 07:24:19 PM
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The project idea is excellent. That's why I'm still here.
Only the team shines with arrogance and ignorance and an absurd misjudgement of reality.

This is no coincidence:
"Byteball Bytes price equal to 27.942 USD at 2018-11-30, but your current investment may be devalued in the future."
https://walletinvestor.com/forecast/byteball-bytes-prediction

Regularly the project could already be in the top 10 - if some maniacs didn't have the control.

The fact that you still quote WalletInvestor means that you don't know what you are talking about and you don't know how that site works. Here is what that site thinks about Ethereum:
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Will Ethereum price drop / fall?
Yes. The price of Ethereum may drop from 114.272 USD to 0.000001 USD. The change will be -100.00%.
https://walletinvestor.com/forecast/ethereum-prediction
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November 30, 2018, 07:49:08 PM
Last edit: November 30, 2018, 08:24:29 PM by tarmo888
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1. Russophobia? LoL Smiley Hell no! It's the sentence just sounds hilarious in my native language (imagine Arnold Schwarzenegger saying it Cheesy). Please excuse me if my sense of humor offends you.

2. Yes, you can distribute the coin evenly without creating (lazy) whales
I'm new to this coin. I opened the BTC talk thread and red the first page. Did not see any bounties.
Installed the wallet, saw there were some bots, verified my e-mail. and got some Byteballs (the claim was $10 worth, but i actually got $0.01).
Then i started mining and searching for a way to acquire more of it. I found what a witness is, I found there are nodes, but you get nothing for running them.
Plus, they require some Linux skills. Then i started asking questions. Thanks to the people here (and also you) I learned more. I was amazed how a simple wallet can accomodate hybrid coin which has both: a regular coin, mineable via WCG (where you also help anti-cancer research) and an Anonymous equivalent. Then you add automatic bots which work very well plus high speed of transactions (seconds!). I started wondering why it is not famous!?

Then i visit the last topic and it says there that you have to KYC to obtain coins. I see no clear vision for development and no action plan. So i suggested ways for people to be paid for spreading the coin. My intention is to help it grow.

I'm also interested in other coins and i monitor their progress for a long time. I can see this coin work by creating a lot of bounties for it (translations of: wallet, whitepaper, BTC talk tread, articles, videos, twitter posts, signature bounties you name it!), spreading the news among CPU mineable forums, threads is a must. Creating an exchange will boost things a lot. Creating a real-world use for the coin will shoot it sky-high.  How to avoid script kiddies to create thousands of wallets and just wait for the drop? By making them earn those coins! In other cryptos they had the same problem. Referral bonus was high, so they got thousands of fake referrals. How did they fight that: 1 week delay before referral payment, so they can check for scam. They were sifting them manually until one day they implemented AI bot to do this and since then it runs flawlessly.

All this means there are ways to do it right, just use the carrot.


If you said that you were suppose to get $10 with email attestation then it would mean that you are Estonian or e-resident of Estonia or from Harvard University (I doubt). I speak Estonian and that Russophobic your mama joke doesn't sound funny in Estonian, not even when Arnold Schwarzenegger would say it.

Read the whitepaper again, witnesses get commissions, but the price is so low that it is not yet profitable. Bitcoin full nodes don't get payed either, only miners do. Mining is a shitty method to distribute coins, Bitcoin does it because they need to secure the network anyways like that. Byteball doesn't have mining (WCG is not mining, just reward for doing something good). You run a full node when you need it for your business, nobody runs a full node for profit. If you want to help the network then you should be running a relay (full node which accepts incoming connections). You can ask money for running a Hub and give access to that Hub only to people who pay for it or ask donations. But if you are running some business that uses Byteball then it's like any server costs, earning money with it doesn't have to be written into the platform. Build useful bots that people would pay money for.

You do NOT need to do KYC to obtain coins. In your response you gave examples how to get the coins with WCG (that's already one way how to get bytes without KYC, sign up with any disposable email). There is clear vision of development and action plan, i think you are not following newsletter or blog https://medium.com/byteball
There is translation bounties, but via Utopian.io because people just Machine Translated everything, so Byteball switched to more reliable community of translators. Also, translations are really small part of distribution, you can't just distribute everything to translators.
There was Twitter and Bitcointalk bounties for Byteball, but everybody hated them because these were mostly spam from same people (you still don't understand that if you are anonymous then 1 address doesn't equal 1 user).
There was also Youtube competition long time ago and writers competition recently https://www.reddit.com/r/ByteBall/comments/9ud8j5/writers_wanted_new_byteball_contest/
There is Telegram faucet for Byteball that got destroyed by script kiddies.

I think you need to learn more about Byteball. Byteball referral systems are improving with every new distribution method, it used to be that you just needed to link with Bitcoin address (again 1 address doesn't equal 1 user), but now there is 1 year vesting (delayed referral payment with smart-contract - no need for AI) on new distributions. Also, it used to be that you needed to send other person bytes to become a referral, now there is possible to scan a QR code or visit referral link or copy-paste a referral code. Also, there is now smart-vouchers, which act as referrals too.
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