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November 24, 2018, 02:44:52 PM
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In full disclosure, I have gone to the trouble of registering some domains to try to protect the names I have mentioned. I was worried that they could be unavailable or fall into unsympathetic hands. Not all were available in the exact form desired, but enough of them were secured to make this a viable option if that is what the Team and Community desire.
If the Community, Team and Tony like the idea or a part of it, then it is my intention to transfer ownership of the relevant domain(s) at a nominal fee to the organization. I am asking for 10 GBYTE and 10 x 2.11 GBB (BlackBytes) as payment from the Community funds for my efforts. If no one cares, then I guess it's my loss and I'm ok with that.

P.S. Please bear with me if it takes me a little time to respond to any feedback this post might get - I'm absolutely swamped at the moment.

While I don't have much to say about rest of your long post, this part just feels evil. Domains cost $10 and your trouble was worth 30 times of that + whatever the blackbytes are worth? You basically squatted the names to make a profit and then wrote a nice story around it. How many domains did you squatted? To me, it feels like these domains have already fallen into unsympathetic hands, but I guess it doesn't matter much because it hasn't been announced yet what the branding agency came up with.

Well, he had those names in mind, so it is not cypersquatting, it is a measure to AVOID cybersquatting, if his idea is accepted he fully deserves a little prize for the solution he has provided, if it is not accepted, then he'd make a little loss and nobody would care about these domain names anyway.
Since you don't understand what Cybersquatting is, check the definition given on wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybersquatting

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November 24, 2018, 03:11:35 PM
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Well, he had those names in mind, so it is not cypersquatting, it is a measure to AVOID cybersquatting, if his idea is accepted he fully deserves a little prize for the solution he has provided, if it is not accepted, then he'd make a little loss and nobody would care about these domain names anyway.
Since you don't understand what Cybersquatting is, check the definition given on wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybersquatting

That is just semantics. Yes, it is true that he didn't cybersquat existing trademark, but what he basically did was that bought a domains and then wrote a nice long post how the names he came up with were "best possible replacement name". If you want a known name for that behavior, that can be called as lobbying.

Anyways, this is not the proccess how Byteball gets a rebranding. There is a branding agency hired who will come up with the possible news names (and they will make sure it will not sound stupid in other languages). I think it has been said that community opinion will be taken account for selecting the final one, but I have no idea when that happens.
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November 24, 2018, 04:02:56 PM
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Well, he had those names in mind, so it is not cypersquatting, it is a measure to AVOID cybersquatting, if his idea is accepted he fully deserves a little prize for the solution he has provided, if it is not accepted, then he'd make a little loss and nobody would care about these domain names anyway.
Since you don't understand what Cybersquatting is, check the definition given on wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybersquatting

That is just semantics. Yes, it is true that he didn't cybersquat existing trademark, but what he basically did was that bought a domains and then wrote a nice long post how the names he came up with were "best possible replacement name". If you want a known name for that behavior, that can be called as lobbying.

Anyways, this is not the proccess how Byteball gets a rebranding. There is a branding agency hired who will come up with the possible news names (and they will make sure it will not sound stupid in other languages). I think it has been said that community opinion will be taken account for selecting the final one, but I have no idea when that happens.

Well, he just made a proposal, which is something always welcome - it's called brainstorming, of course the branding agency will then come with their own proposals and-or conclusions. And my personal opinion is very similar of the one of afbitcoins - bytecash is quite cool, while G-Bytes is actually quite terrible IMO.

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November 24, 2018, 04:16:26 PM
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Well, he had those names in mind, so it is not cypersquatting, it is a measure to AVOID cybersquatting, if his idea is accepted he fully deserves a little prize for the solution he has provided, if it is not accepted, then he'd make a little loss and nobody would care about these domain names anyway.
Since you don't understand what Cybersquatting is, check the definition given on wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybersquatting

That is just semantics. Yes, it is true that he didn't cybersquat existing trademark, but what he basically did was that bought a domains and then wrote a nice long post how the names he came up with were "best possible replacement name". If you want a known name for that behavior, that can be called as lobbying.

Anyways, this is not the proccess how Byteball gets a rebranding. There is a branding agency hired who will come up with the possible news names (and they will make sure it will not sound stupid in other languages). I think it has been said that community opinion will be taken account for selecting the final one, but I have no idea when that happens.

Well, he just made a proposal, which is something always welcome - it's called brainstorming, of course the branding agency will then come with their own proposals and-or conclusions. And my personal opinion is very similar of the one of afbitcoins - bytecash is quite cool, while G-Bytes is actually quite terrible IMO.

Cryptoruble?

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November 24, 2018, 05:01:23 PM
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Well, he had those names in mind, so it is not cypersquatting, it is a measure to AVOID cybersquatting, if his idea is accepted he fully deserves a little prize for the solution he has provided, if it is not accepted, then he'd make a little loss and nobody would care about these domain names anyway.
Since you don't understand what Cybersquatting is, check the definition given on wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybersquatting

That is just semantics. Yes, it is true that he didn't cybersquat existing trademark, but what he basically did was that bought a domains and then wrote a nice long post how the names he came up with were "best possible replacement name". If you want a known name for that behavior, that can be called as lobbying.

Anyways, this is not the proccess how Byteball gets a rebranding. There is a branding agency hired who will come up with the possible news names (and they will make sure it will not sound stupid in other languages). I think it has been said that community opinion will be taken account for selecting the final one, but I have no idea when that happens.

Well, he just made a proposal, which is something always welcome - it's called brainstorming, of course the branding agency will then come with their own proposals and-or conclusions. And my personal opinion is very similar of the one of afbitcoins - bytecash is quite cool, while G-Bytes is actually quite terrible IMO.

Cryptoruble?


I propose Byte Money - Byteball already has a byte.money domain for that too.

Oh, sh1t, it already exists: "Byte Money services the South African funeral parlor market by providing cash receipting and auditing services."
https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/byte-money
Well, it seems they are the true crypt-o-currency.
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November 25, 2018, 08:47:37 AM
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Thanks to Byteball Community member, henric, for this attempt to analyze Byteball aspects through the unconventional prism of metaphysics!

https://steemit.com/byteball/@henric/byteball-unus-mundus
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November 27, 2018, 11:24:46 AM
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Hi everybody,

Last week, I sponsored a friend with a smartvoucher. Everything goes fine.

Then, I sent him few bytes to allow him to experiment the wallet and to validate his email address.

He validates it. Find the unit here : https://explorer.byteball.org/#7Lj+fRiMde1q9bZNbiUNAKo7EuWGs+CtNa5dLenAdbM=

Unfortunately, he never received the 10$ reward.

So, could the Byteball team assist my friend to get his reward ? And for my personal education, could you explain me what happens ? I have my idea on the question and it's the main subject of my next article, so your opinion could help me to be more precise.

Thank you very much


Did they have @harvard.edu or @eesti.ee email address? Because at the moment, only those email addresses are rewarded and smart vouchers are only for real name attestation for now.

Hi Tarmo888,

Thank you very much for the answer. You're absolutely right !

I registered my email address few weeks ago but I was hurry this day, so I didn't take time to read anything Grin But I was sincerely thinking I received the reward... my mistake... so, I will pay the 10$ to my friend as an apology ^_^;

I will send him the bytes with his email Cheesy first experiment !!!

But I'm a bit sad, my theory will stay at theory level without proof ^_^: And my influenza doesn't help.

see you soon
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November 29, 2018, 07:58:17 AM
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Read the latest Byteball email newsletter: Fun New Distribution

https://medium.com/@byteballjesus/read-the-latest-byteball-email-newsletter-fun-new-distribution-bd9198692a82
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November 29, 2018, 11:41:55 AM
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The speculators will be thrilled.

I, on the other hand, still can't sell anything against black bites.
Will that ever be possible? - I don't know.

"Historical index for the Byteball Bytes price prediction: E
Byteball Bytes price equal to 30.126 USD at 2018-11-29, but your current investment may be devalued in the future."

https://walletinvestor.com/forecast/byteball-bytes-prediction

But bite ball is in good company.
Let's see which projects are the first to find their way out of their filter bubble and echo chamber.
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November 29, 2018, 12:28:46 PM
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That's very nice. Is there any date already set when this "game" to receive bytes will be launched? When will the rules be published?

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November 29, 2018, 02:00:55 PM
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That's very nice. Is there any date already set when this "game" to receive bytes will be launched? When will the rules be published?

Excellent, finally a next step in distribution and it seems like a fun way to manage it. Hopefully it will be limited to recently active wallets. Looking forward to see more how this will be working.

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November 29, 2018, 02:51:55 PM
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That's very nice. Is there any date already set when this "game" to receive bytes will be launched? When will the rules be published?

Excellent, finally a next step in distribution and it seems like a fun way to manage it. Hopefully it will be limited to recently active wallets. Looking forward to see more how this will be working.

To spread the coin more evenly, it has to be aimed at recently created, active and creating brand new wallets.
Otherwise it goes to the whales. After all, mass adoption is aimed. Also - there is no push for creating
relay nodes, nor a complete guide how to do it.
Example, I'm willing to run such node, but i need a thorough guide, since Linux is not my main focus.
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November 29, 2018, 05:24:18 PM
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That's very nice. Is there any date already set when this "game" to receive bytes will be launched? When will the rules be published?

Excellent, finally a next step in distribution and it seems like a fun way to manage it. Hopefully it will be limited to recently active wallets. Looking forward to see more how this will be working.

To spread the coin more evenly, it has to be aimed at recently created, active and creating brand new wallets.
Otherwise it goes to the whales. After all, mass adoption is aimed. Also - there is no push for creating
relay nodes, nor a complete guide how to do it.
Example, I'm willing to run such node, but i need a thorough guide, since Linux is not my main focus.

You forgot the fact that whales can create also new wallets and addresses, so this spreading coins to recently created ones has no effect, but distribution that has some kind of attestation gives somewhat control over not having the same people rewarded too many times.

Detailed guide how to run headless-wallet, relay and hub will be published soon. If you would be in Byteball community on Slack then you would already seen some drafts about them.
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November 29, 2018, 05:54:21 PM
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That's very nice. Is there any date already set when this "game" to receive bytes will be launched? When will the rules be published?

Excellent, finally a next step in distribution and it seems like a fun way to manage it. Hopefully it will be limited to recently active wallets. Looking forward to see more how this will be working.

To spread the coin more evenly, it has to be aimed at recently created, active and creating brand new wallets.
Otherwise it goes to the whales. After all, mass adoption is aimed. Also - there is no push for creating
relay nodes, nor a complete guide how to do it.
Example, I'm willing to run such node, but i need a thorough guide, since Linux is not my main focus.

You forgot the fact that whales can create also new wallets and addresses, so this spreading coins to recently created ones has no effect, but distribution that has some kind of attestation gives somewhat control over not having the same people rewarded too many times.
I had a hunch: Only those who drop their pants (KYC) are allowed to play along.  Grin
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November 29, 2018, 06:32:42 PM
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I had a hunch: Only those who drop their pants (KYC) are allowed to play along.  Grin

Do you have any actually ideas how to distribute coins so whales don't get it (whale can be any script-kiddie who finds a loophole). Nobody wants a coin, where most of it is owned by whales, that is no way different than fiat currencies. Why are you even here, Byteball clearly doesn't fit with what you want, go buy some Monero.
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November 29, 2018, 06:59:27 PM
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OMG again. KYC your mom russian spies
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November 29, 2018, 07:02:05 PM
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Those who engage in this nonsense have no place in the Cryptoworld. - Basically they only want Fiat.
And where do the bites end up? - Exactly, with the whales.  Tongue

I, on the other hand, still can't sell anything against black bites.
Will that ever be possible? - I don't know.

.. Why are you even here, Byteball clearly doesn't fit with what you want, go buy some Monero.
I know, I know. Thank you for the reconfirmation.

@all
The team is fooling you as long as you don't fight this endless series of wrong decisions together.
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November 29, 2018, 08:10:15 PM
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OMG again. KYC your mom russian spies

You made me laugh Pineapple Express Cheesy Cheesy

You are right. Why do you have distributed network, e-mail confirmation, encrypted connection,
anonymous payments... and then you KYC. What is the point then?

I think this coin needs to decide if it is going to be 100% anonymous
or 100% KYC. Having both in one coin seems to bee too hard for the team
or too hard in general when combined with mass adoption and anti-whale.


@Tarmo88 - sorry, cannot install another chat app just to monitor progress.
I'll visit btctalk from time to time.

Instead of giving Byteballs for free, consider proven method with bounties
for articles, nodes, promo videos, guides, translations, etc.
That way you will atleast get some work done for the project.
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November 29, 2018, 09:16:48 PM
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Instead of giving Byteballs for free, consider proven method with bounties
for articles, nodes, promo videos, guides, translations, etc.
That way you will atleast get some work done for the project.
Even better: For the development of a decentralized marketplace where I and thousands of my colleagues can finally sell goods against black bites.  Cool
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OMG again. KYC your mom russian spies
You made me laugh Pineapple Express Cheesy Cheesy
So, Russophobia makes your day? Your blend of humor, what you like is when somebody says something phobic? Or did the Your Mom joke make you laugh? Shouldn't you be in bed already?


You are right. Why do you have distributed network, e-mail confirmation, encrypted connection,
anonymous payments... and then you KYC. What is the point then?
Point is, you can't distribute coin that doesn't have mining without creating whales if you don't make sure that the addresses belong to different people. 1 address is not 1 user. Kind of insane that you still don't get the basics of being anonymous and how cryptocurrencies work (you can create as many addresses you want, all transactions are on public database).


I think this coin needs to decide if it is going to be 100% anonymous
or 100% KYC. Having both in one coin seems to bee too hard for the team
or too hard in general when combined with mass adoption and anti-whale.
Where did you get that 100% anonymous claim? Nothing is as black and white as 100% anonymous or 100% KYC. Bitcoin is also not 100% anonymous. Bytes are not 100% anonymous, blackbytes are anonymous (don't know what percentage). Even Monero is not 100% anonymous.


@Tarmo88 - sorry, cannot install another chat app just to monitor progress.
I'll visit btctalk from time to time.
You do not need an app for that, you register there http://slack.byteball.org/ and you chat there https://byteball.slack.com/ (no app, web browser)


Instead of giving Byteballs for free, consider proven method with bounties
for articles, nodes, promo videos, guides, translations, etc.
That way you will atleast get some work done for the project.
Byteball has #grants (Slack channel) for developers and bounties for translations via Utopian.io
It even had contest for writers https://www.reddit.com/r/ByteBall/comments/9ud8j5/writers_wanted_new_byteball_contest/
Some people (except you) work on Byteball every day and they don't come to Bitcointalk to whine. Others who don't work on Byteball, just keep themselves up to date, so they wouldn't embarrass themselves claiming something that is not true (that's you).
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